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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei He probably does.
Yes I do. I have also considered this. My GPU isn't the issue. The fact is their Incarna engine is maxing out a Quad-Core processor and causing all four cores to run at 80+% consistently.
Furthermore the cooling I have installed is the best air cooling you can possible get. The only other option would be installing liquid cooling which may or may not prove beneficial considering the Noctua air cooler I have gives damn near the same performance as a self-sufficient liquid cooled system.
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly.
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Ghost Nightmare
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:21:00 -
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Ive got a very high powered machine
I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard
My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues.
Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : /
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:22:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Ive got a very high powered machine
I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard
My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues.
Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : /
Just another sign of completely ****-poor optimization. What kind of temps are you running on the CPU/GPU's?
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Davon Kastire
Caldari Hit it n' Quit it
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:29:00 -
[484]
If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this? "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." |
wannabomber
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:30:00 -
[485]
Take yr pc to a doctor... but preferably one that knows what's doing.... S_u_c_k m_e |
Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:31:00 -
[486]
Bumpy
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crymyname
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:32:00 -
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ok cq is layers apon layers of polygons which are all trying to be rendered at the same time 90% of them you don't see .. hence the problem with heat and usage ... to me thats bad coding .. the power draw from entring cq is nearly double that of normal because of this.. and i do believe that software on any normal pc can be used to harm the components.. knowing that a)normal everyday pc's are not looked after ie: cleaned weekly b)lots of people use standard parts not high quality c)cooling is not great in most cases .. d)old or wrong drivers being used .. so there we have it .. can you all tell me what your 12v rails are dropping to in cq ? mine 12.4v drops to 11.7v
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Cadela Fria
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are *not* that good.
For the love of all technical thinking people, stop saying "a few lines of code" or "a line of code" that needs to "be fixed". They don't exist - its a misnomer, its *******s, its ignorant, its untrue, its false, its uninformed...Its not how coding works, and it won't help your case either. Haven't we already established that of course it needs optimization, but that wasn't your original complaint.
I'm starting to think you're a troll, and if you are..well played.
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:35:52
Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?
Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others.
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Solomon XI
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are *not* that good.
For the love of all technical thinking people, stop saying "a few lines of code" or "a line of code" that needs to "be fixed". They don't exist - its a misnomer, its *******s, its ignorant, its untrue, its false, its uninformed...Its not how coding works, and it won't help your case either. Haven't we already established that of course it needs optimization, but that wasn't your original complaint.
I'm starting to think you're a troll, and if you are..well played.
I'm not trolling. Seriously.
And I'm not a programmer or designer. However their engine is based off "code" right? The underlying stuffs is code, right? Forgive me not being completely technical is code speak.
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SHAG ALOT Arthie
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:37:00 -
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In this respect, what we (the "EVE wont break your computer" people) have said is much like science: Its unfortunate that you feel patronized and like we are being condescending, it really is, but that won't change the facts. You can be unsatisfied all you want, I nor anyone else can take that from you. You won't change the facts though - As the theoretical physicist Lawrence krauss once said "The universe is the way it is, whether we like it or not".
Nobody says its an imaginary problem, in fact we fully accept and acknowledge your problem - And very probably Incarna/CQ needs a great deal of optimization and fixing, I'm positive about that. What we're saying is you're blaming the wrong people/thing. Either blame the person who put your computer together, or the person who is supposed to clean your computer, update it, or blame your hardware vendor for false advertisement on proper cooling or defective hardware, or the people making the drivers for your machine.
CQ can only do to your CPU and GPU what your CPU and GPU LETS it do. In other words, if there is a limit that shouldn't be reached and you have drivers and hardware that works like it should, your system will be throttled one way or the other to compensate for the load so that limit isn't reached or crossed - If this doesn't happen its because of inadequate cooling, poor ventilation, poor drivers or defective hardware, or a mix of these.
I hold no opinion of you one way or the other. Like I've said, I've done rig building and consulting for a living..That doesn't make me an authority, I know - But what I'm saying is true, and if you don't like it or think I'm patronizing you, you're welcome to do your own research and find your own answers, because then you can't be helped by people like me. Why? Because you don't want to be.
You're after fitting your facts to support your theory, not fitting your theory to support the facts..Unscientific, biased and an agenda to boot.
Remind me never to buy a rig from you!!!
All games that are brought out are tested with graphics card manufacturers to ensure the drivers work correctly with the game (ps3 users have been having issues with the new rockstar games release overheating the GPU and burning out the ps3 and this is due to bad driver testing and has been proven).
To say to someone that has 12 fans plus a gpu fan that its their fault for not having enough cooling is just plain stupid, if it was just 1 guy that had the issue fair enough but multiples!! thats a hell of a coincidence!
There is obviously an issue with certain GPU's and CQ. Its possible that all the ppl with issues have do is update to the latest drivers for the GPU to resolve the issue as CCP may have only tested optimization on the latest driver releases.
Quoting theoretical physicists does not make you seem smart btw, nor does it lend more credence to a foolish argument
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Davon Kastire
Caldari Hit it n' Quit it
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?
Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others.
How do I monitor my temps, and how much is too hot? "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." |
Wobblebonk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:39:00 -
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CQ runs fine with me -- just like any modern 3d fps-type graphics would. OFC, I had to lower the resolution from 1680x1040 to 1440x990 and lower the bloom /hdr, but that is too be expected!!!
However, the space side -- requires less resources -- that's because theres a lot less polys!!!
Anyhow, I suspect CCP will be upgrading there graphics menu to give graphics options for the space-side of things and station-side. that way we can fine tune the settings a bit easier
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Dadanen1
Caldari Beyond Control. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:42:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Ghost Nightmare Ive got a very high powered machine
I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz. 8GB 2100mhz DDR3 2 x EVGA GTX570 SC Asus Maximus IV extreme motherboard
My computer lets me run 8 windows of eve on good settings with almost no FPS issues.
Boot up one captains quarters = poor framerates : /
running with to following
I7 920 @ 2.67ghz 12GB 1600mhz ddr3 1 EVGA GTX580 EVGA E758-A1 X58 motherboard
getting avg of 60fps in CQ and space, as well as most other games i've been playing
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wannabomber
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/06/2011 15:18:35
Originally by: Ranka Mei He probably does.
Yes I do. I have also considered this. My GPU isn't the issue. The fact is their Incarna engine is maxing out a Quad-Core processor and causing all four cores to run at 80+% consistently.
Furthermore the cooling I have installed is the best air cooling you can possible get. The only other option would be installing liquid cooling which may or may not prove beneficial considering the Noctua air cooler I have gives damn near the same performance as a self-sufficient liquid cooled system.
Their engine needs serious optimization. Quickly. Otherwise there may or may not be a few lines of code somewhere that cause the Engine to run heavier than it should. I have news for everyone here ... the CQ graphics are *not* that good.
Have you tried to set cpu affinity? Do you even know that having a cpu @ top usage is good? Means that you making max usage of your resources. Why do you think virtualization came for (among other things)?
Do this: update yr bios, yr nvidia bios, ssd/sata firmware, do a hdd wipe and reinstall everyting - donŠt install anything that you REALLY dont need to play eve, get all the latest drivers, tune up your OS and graphic card and install only the eve client. Then, when done, come back and report. If you want help on how to tweak a nvidia card @ bios level tell me, use rivatuner, learn the workings and limits of yr hardware and if still need help i'll be glad to.
Is this good for ya?
S_u_c_k m_e |
Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Davon Kastire
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Davon Kastire If this is true then I'm turning off CQ and setting my graphics to the lowest...if that would help. If not then I'm just not going to play EVE until I hear from CCP that they've fix this problem.
This is my system.
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad Core Processor
4 GB system Momory
GeForce 8400 GS
I need someone's opinion, is it safe to play EVE at this point in time with this?
Theoretically, yes. I recommend turning off CQ completely and going from there. Monitor your CPU temp and GPU temp and see if they're within safe parameters. This seems to be affecting some players and not others.
How do I monitor my temps, and how much is too hot?
Google your processor and find out what the safe operating temp for it would be. I also recommend a program called "CPU Thermometer" to monitor the temps.
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Zero GodOfDestruction
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:50:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Faith O'Siras Friendly nudge.
Reported for continually violating Rule 12: "Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited."
Its funny that a few bumps on a forum with a legitimate set of problems gets reported, but when the trolls are out and about trolling every other post, those who report aren't anywhere to be found. Sorry if it is a little off topic, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Continue with the problems/lack of problems arguements till a dev wakes up and finally responds.
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 -
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Lol. BTW bump.
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Forum Chav
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:55:00 -
[498]
It's alright if you grew up with gaming and what or what not a PC/Laptop needs to do, but if you didn't, then wtf?
I have a real basic run-o-the-mill system with only 2gb RAM, Quad Core, godknowswhat Motherboard. It's over three years old, has a old Nvidia card yet runs fine. Wtf am I doing right?
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Chav It's alright if you grew up with gaming and what or what not a PC/Laptop needs to do, but if you didn't, then wtf?
I have a real basic run-o-the-mill system with only 2gb RAM, Quad Core, godknowswhat Motherboard. It's over three years old, has a old Nvidia card yet runs fine. Wtf am I doing right?
This is happening to some people and not to others. There are too many for it to be simple design flaws on the end user end. I truly believe it's an issue with the Incarna optimization and engine and that underlying code somewhere is causing discrimination against certain system profiles for unknown reasons.
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Zero GodOfDestruction
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:58:00 -
[500]
You apparently possess a higher ammount of luck when it comes to this specific problem.
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speric
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:00:00 -
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Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped.
"These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: speric Solomon, for what its worth,I have the same problems and I have a decent rig. I remember when Starcraft2 came out, there were similar problems. Their problem was; "Meanwhile, John Gillooly of PC Authority pointed out that the between-mission scenes - such as those onboard Jim Raynor's ship - weren't properly framerate capped.
"These are fairly static scenes and don't take much work for the graphics card to display them. [But] because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your card as it works to its full potential," explained Gillooly." I'm not sure this is the problem, but it is very similar. Speric
Thank you for the support. Interesting that was.
I can't speak for others but that just goes to show that in fact improper optimization can indeed cause issues.
CCP Developer response yet?
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groentenman
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 -
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Phenom II X4 955(rev b) (overclocked to 3.7) 4gig ram ati hd6850(slightly overclocked) windows 7 64 bit
60 fps in and out of station but fps drops for no reason every now and then when i'm in the cq(17 fps). Seems to be totally rondom since i can get the game to run smoothly for some horus and when i log back in after dinner the fps is down again(i turn my pc off when i leave). Haven't looked at the cpu temps but i'll be keeping a close eye on that just in case.
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Singeabooty Raj
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 -
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Windows 7 x64 i7 950 O/c 4.2 (Eco Water Cooled) Rampage III Extreme Mobo 12GB RAM Asus GTX 580 x 2 NZXT Phantom Full Tower Case (All fan slots fitted) Bigfoot Killer Network Card Sony LCD 32"
Can run 3 Eve accounts at the same with station environment and all graphics set to high no probs.
Walcome to PC Gaming Peeps. Happy Days.
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mathew hopkins
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction You apparently possess a higher ammount of luck when it comes to this specific problem.
Hmmm.....luck being a winner's modesty and a loser's excuse methinks. However, mine ignorance is blissful :-)
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: groentenman Phenom II X4 955(rev b) (overclocked to 3.7) 4gig ram ati hd6850(slightly overclocked) windows 7 64 bit
60 fps in and out of station but fps drops for no reason every now and then when i'm in the cq(17 fps). Seems to be totally rondom since i can get the game to run smoothly for some horus and when i log back in after dinner the fps is down again(i turn my pc off when i leave). Haven't looked at the cpu temps but i'll be keeping a close eye on that just in case.
Would be interesting to see what temps you're running. Can you check that and post your results, please?
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Lelob
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:06:00 -
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Saw this thread when it started on day 1. 17 pages later and still no response. ****ing disgraceful that CCP still hasn't responded to you Solomon, or the myriad of people who have posted in here.
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groentenman
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 -
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Out of station is 45 degrees(i run noctua nh-d14 just to keep the damn thing cool). Will keep docked up for a while after i finished my mission and see.
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:07:00 -
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CCP JUST POSTED SOMETHING OFFICIAL
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535553
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Faith O'Siras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:10:00 -
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bump.
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