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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2011.04.15 03:53:00 -
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This idea is a very useful and handy thing, but the way it is currently leaves it rather limited. I have 448 fittings, and I can only pick 50 at a time.. how am I supposed to pick? I'm used to having all fittings for a certain ship just a single click away, now if I don't have it in fittings I have to export 1 (or more) of my 50 so I can get the one I want into EVE.
My suggestion is, that CCP let people choose if they want to use the server storage for fittings if they want to, but give the option to use it or not instead of making it mandatory. For me, the server storage is an inconvenience, especially at a tiny 50/448 fittings.. I personally would rather just have EVE access the fittings on my computer, for the sole reasons* of having access to all fittings at the same time AND the fact that I have control over the fittings, and if by accident EVE had a server burp, I wouldn't lose fittings.. I would rather keep my own backed-up fittings on my own computer and have EVE pull from there, it just makes sense to be given the option. Thanks for your time!
-Nisk
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.04.15 07:05:00 -
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There is nothing stopping you from having the fittings stored on your computer; porting them to the server does not delete them. You could just port your 50 most often used one over and keep the rest in EFT. Alt-tabbing out for 30 seconds to check a fit doesn't take THAT much effort.
Also...four HUNDRED and forty-eight fittings? Really?
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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2011.04.15 19:19:00 -
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Lol yeah, I got a few for every ship in eve, t1 frigs to titans in all 4 races... so yes, 448. my point is I shouldn't have to use an external program to access the fits I want in eve, and that I should just be able to access them via the fittings.. it's not too hard to ask, and if someone didn't want to use CCP's server to store stuff I don't see why they would even care, as NOT using their server frees up more space for CCP.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.15 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon There is nothing stopping you from having the fittings stored on your computer; porting them to the server does not delete them. You could just port your 50 most often used one over and keep the rest in EFT. Alt-tabbing out for 30 seconds to check a fit doesn't take THAT much effort.
It's a pain in the backside and a stupid limitation. honestly the fist I saw this was last night and I can't believe that this idiocy hasn't generated mass outrage.
The advantage of the in game fitting tool was that instead of having to look everything up in EFT then manually hunt down every item in my inventory and click fit to ship I could just pick out the fit I wanted and click fit then it was done (assuming I had the item in inventory and the skills to fit it)
Also they changed it so that hte fitting tool no longer fits rigs. WTH is with that?
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Gischuchwipall
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nisktonhen I have 448 fittings, and I can only pick 50 at a time..
-Nisk
You sir, have a lot of fittings..
I have to go try out this fitting thing where the fitting service doesn't fit rigs anymore.. that was like a saveall for me when I needed to reship quickly.. click fit, grab some ammo, and go...
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falcon216
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:21:00 -
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Well I'm in the same boat for the most part, as I also have at least 300 fittings. Now personally I don't mind the concept of having my fittings backed up on the CCP server, but still have all my fittings on my computer. Say having an option to back your files up to the server, but only at a users discretion. If it wasn't for the limit of 50 fittings I would be happy with this change, but do to that limitation, its a handicap to players that fly many classes of ships.
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Agrikaan
Amarr 2nd Praetorian Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:24:00 -
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Oh no. How stupid. Now I can only access 50 ingame. I have 100. And the same fittings available on all characters/accounts.
Either save ALL fittings to Server, or keep ALL Local. Nothing in between. That should be obvious. Already Bookmarks are stored on Server, and folders for them Local - which is also rather stupid.
I had NO problems backing my 100 fittings up, and moving them between PC's if needed. And I still have to do the same for bookmarks and other stuff, so I STILL NEED TO DO THAT.
YOU SAVED ME NO EFFORT; YOU DECREASED NO TROUBLE; YOU SOLVED NO PROBLEM. In fact, you created a problem, increased trouble and made my efforts more demanding.
NO. NO. NO. FAIL.
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Agrikaan
Amarr 2nd Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.04.21 03:41:00 -
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Fix this, at least let me choose if I want to keep using unlimited Local saves. EVE Servers saves some bandwidth, win/win.
It's weird, considering the massive goals to reduce traffic and server load. Then CCP implements something in a stupid way, that solves little for most, creates a problem for others, yet increases the above.
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Tekedo
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Posted - 2011.04.21 04:17:00 -
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Agreed.
I am not currently active in terms of pvp. But in EFT I have 10 viable solo fits for the rifter alone. Now go and figure. With the number of ships in the game 50 fits is pathetic. How many ships are there again? 204?
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:25:00 -
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Get this rolling.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:40:00 -
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ok I did a little experiment trying to figure out how much server space does this all take up.
First I got the size of a single fitting by exporting EFT to XML, for this test I used a fully fit tempest. I don't see how they could take any more space than an XML file, they could take a hell of a lot less.
1 fitting: ~1.5kb
50 fittings: ~75kb
eve population was 360,000 in one of the fanfest videos so
entire population: ~27GB
That's assuming everyone is using all their fittings, I'd see it most likely being much smaller than that. However this doesn't count corporation fittings, considering every 1 man corp gets the same 100 fittings there's probably a lot of fittings space that could be used up by that.
I don't know much about difference between online server storage and personal storage but I really feel that we should expect a bit more than that considering what we pay them. ------------------- piccy |
Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Agrikaan on 23/04/2011 16:13:54
Those calculations do appear sound. But the main question is why do it in the first place. Was it worth limiting the number of fittings to 50 for everyone to have them available on any PC? Especially since BM folders and other stuff, does NOT follow?
You must then assume CCP thought that having the fittings available everywhere was very important, to the pilots of New Eden. So why wasn't it important that those with more than 50 fittings have all THEIR fittings available? For some of us, this feature is now basically unusable - on ANY computer.
I try to find the logical thought behind this, and I fail. So to me, it seems to be something someone thought up as cool, without really giving it much thought.
If only that thought had included "and let the users choose local or server", all would have been acceptable.
The code could have used some love in other areas, such as overwriting fittings with the same name instead of creating duplicates, when you share fittings, to other pilots or accounts.
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Minarete on 23/04/2011 16:15:30
Originally by: Cosmoes ok I did a little experiment trying to figure out how much server space does this all take up.
First I got the size of a single fitting by exporting EFT to XML, for this test I used a fully fit tempest. I don't see how they could take any more space than an XML file, they could take a hell of a lot less.
1 fitting: ~1.5kb
50 fittings: ~75kb
eve population was 360,000 in one of the fanfest videos so
entire population: ~27GB
That's assuming everyone is using all their fittings, I'd see it most likely being much smaller than that. However this doesn't count corporation fittings, considering every 1 man corp gets the same 100 fittings there's probably a lot of fittings space that could be used up by that.
I don't know much about difference between online server storage and personal storage but I really feel that we should expect a bit more than that considering what we pay them.
Do you realize how hard it is to find a 27gb drive these days? I mean really..
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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2011.04.24 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nisktonhen on 24/04/2011 04:15:29
Originally by: Minarete
Do you realize how hard it is to find a 27gb drive these days? I mean really..
I can't imagine how hard it is to find a 27 gb drive.. I mean golly, I just put another tb into my desktop JUST for media.. I pay to enjoy the game, not have CCP inconvenience me by their new "wonder" patches.. I tend to lean on the idea that if CCP is intent on having the fittings backed up on their server, there should be no limit.
I like the ideas guys, this is turning into a well rounded topic!
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tdawg77
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Posted - 2011.04.25 03:39:00 -
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GIVE US OUR FITTINGS OR GIVE US DEATH!
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.25 18:19:00 -
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AGREE!
Uhm, though depending on who's death. The Dev who "thought" this through?
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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2011.04.26 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nisktonhen on 26/04/2011 17:29:32 Another thing with this wonderful update, since you guys seem to be set on keeping it.. when I try and import a fitting it opens up with box that lets me choose which fittings I would like to have. I'm getting a lil frustrated (again) as I have to UNCHECK 450 fittings just to import 1 freakin fit.
If you guys are so dead set on keeping this limit on fits, at least make it so the import box doesn't have all fittings automatically selected, have them all automatically deselected would be nice..
I'm still irritated, I pay good money to play this game, yet no Dev has even commented on the above.. congratulations ccp, you made all the noobs that have 10 fittings happy, and ticked* off all the veterans that now have to import/export just to see a fit, and heaven help you if you didn't name the fit something other than "jaguar" because it's not like there aren't 7 of the same name that you can't even preview.. seriously, was this even thought through or was it extremely last minute?
*edit: apparently "p!ssed" is a really offensive word in eve, so it got filtered out of main text..
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.27 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Agrikaan on 27/04/2011 23:29:53
Patch notes for Incursion 1.4.2, released April 12, 2011
"Player fittings stored on the server have been optimized to create less load on the database."
Let me help you CCP, advice free of charge: REMOVE/ROLLBACK THIS FEATURE! Will create even LESS load on the database. Especially since it's a rather pointless feature.
Or, if you really think this is a good idea (God knows how you've come to that conclusion): let us choose to use unlimited fittings saved locally, or limited on server. Let us help you save precious database load. PLEASE.
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.30 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Agrikaan on 30/04/2011 01:16:28
Originally by: Nisktonhen Edited by: Nisktonhen on 26/04/2011 17:53:57 Another thing with this wonderful update, since you guys seem to be set on keeping it.. when I try and import a fitting it opens up with box that lets me choose which fittings I would like to have. I'm getting a lil frustrated (again) as I have to UNCHECK 450 fittings just to import 1 freakin fit.
If you guys are so dead set on keeping this limit on fits, at least make it so the import box doesn't have all fittings automatically selected, have them all automatically deselected would be nice..
I'm still irritated, I pay good money to play this game, yet no Dev has even commented on the above.. congratulations ccp, you made all the noobs that have 10 fittings happy, and ticked* off all the veterans that now have to import/export just to see a fit, and heaven help you if you didn't name the fit something other than "jaguar" because it's not like there aren't 7 of the same name that you can't import all at once AND you can't even preview.. seriously, was this even thought through or was it extremely last minute?
*edit: apparently "p!ssed" is a really offensive word in eve, so it got filtered out of main text..
Yup, it's great at being bad. Or, when you actully import say 40 of 140 saved fittings; you remove a few, you change some, you add a dozen. Oh, now over 50, problem. Ah well, lets export now then, backup the file and share it with the other accounts and the rest of the corp.
Oh, of course now it overwrote that file, in reality deleting the 100 spare in there. So I guess I have to make another file then, for these 45-50, and still have that older file with the original 140 available (but 30 of those now outdated (and in the new file) or in reality deleted (and not in the new file) but with 100 not updated nor deleted but still active but not in the new file).
And then another file for the next batch I update/delete/add, I guess. And then a third.
The real interesting party starts when I need to move some, or when I need to make more changes... Especially if you have 40 saved on server, and try to upload a file of 15, all already on the server, you can't because it creates duplicates. So first you need to delete those 40, but what if some of them that you plan to ipdate is still in the first file...
Wonder how many files the Devs thought and calculated would be good to handle like this. Just to get 50 fittings saved on server instead of limitless local. So worth it.
In short, if you have more than 50 fittings saved, this is now a completely useless feature. If you then choose 50 and scrap the rest, as you can really only have 50 fittings, for some of us (like those that can fly almost every ship and/or uses a few favourite ships in many different roles or share them with a corporation or a number of accounts and friends), this feature is now useless.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.30 14:08:00 -
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tbh I want to be able to save one of them - or even browse them but I can't for some stupid bug...
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Agrikaan
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:27:00 -
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At least its consistent... A fairly useless feature that doesn't do the things it's supposed to do very well, and then some bugs due to bad code.
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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:19:00 -
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I'm still having issues with the import side.. if I import any that are titled the same, it always imports the first one. so if, for instance I have 10 rifter fits, and I select the 2nd, 4th, and 9th.. it imports the first, and 2 copies of the first. so in essence, all my fittings that have the same name as another are GONE.. inaccessible. CCP, this is not fair, and I am outraged.
I'm tired of this "feature" and I want it gone, I just need more support, and I don't know how to get it. I petitioned, and they sent me here.. here I am, and nothing is even remotely close to changing. What the hell are you guys doing??
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Jade Bloodwing
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:21:00 -
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I need my fittings. I can't even tell which fitting is which when I try to import them. CCP has given me no way to discover which is which and I am left to haphazardly drift my way through my 335 fittings so as to find one for which I may or may not be looking. Give me my fits back and give me the ability to access them all at any time. I have 2 comps, I don't care if fittings are on both due to server back up. I can manage that part on my own. Thank you, drive through.
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Temulkar Blaine
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Posted - 2011.05.02 19:47:00 -
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Please ccp give us our fittings back!
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Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 20:05:00 -
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After deciding the OP was simply a nutcase, I've reviewed the changes CCP has made recently to the Fittings storage and find them unwieldy even though I don't have 50 fittings. To think that should I ever go over fifty and have to make choices of what should be uploaded (or worse having to switch out export some then import others creating a mess of saved local fittings) makes it clear that if CCP cba to save over 50 fittings per character or client, that they should give up on server stored fittings or give the option to save on the server or locally. It just makes much more sense.
For some, this recent change has reduced functionality. Please fix it!
Ty ccp you're the greatest
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.05 11:52:00 -
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Still nothing from CCP on this?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore I can't believe that this idiocy hasn't generated mass outrage.
Can't be arsed anymore, it's CCP, they break everything useful they put in anyway. *shrugs*
Not sure who came up with that bright idea anyhow. Ships I fly regulary like BC's, usually have 3-6 different fittings stored per ship. Purely counting BC's I stack up my fifty fits right there. Nice. -
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.05.05 14:53:00 -
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Sometimes i really ask myself if they have this one obligatory "common sense" guy that every good company needs. The one that spots flaws just by looking at the features from the "i will have to use this" - perspective.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ordais Sometimes i really ask myself if they have this one obligatory "common sense" guy that every good company needs. The one that spots flaws just by looking at the features from the "i will have to use this" - perspective.
If they played the game they'd probably realise what's useful or not.
..but now I'm just being a prick. They probably run missions in highsec with the other 79.99% of the EVE pop. Oh crap, I think I was rude again. Argh! -
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Mooney92
Minmatar Satanic Soldiers Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:56:00 -
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Suggestions on the forums? Wuahaahaha! Someone bought into ccp propaganda.
"Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is 1 well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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