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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4614
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:20:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!
(I gave you a little helping hand) It was originally "thief that steals from his friends"... L2F5
And it magically changed itself in your quote too?
Interesting. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Verone
Veto Corp
383
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:22:00 -
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One word : Sandbox.
If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:26:00 -
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Verone wrote:If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it.
Problem is that they are so risk-averse that if there's more than one character from same corp they don't do it because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9497
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:34:00 -
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Doddy wrote:100% wrong, like i say don't poast if you don't understand the mecanics. Being 100% wrong is kind of Jorma's signature move.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Problem is that they are so risk-averse that if there's more than one character from same corp they don't do it because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button. Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥ in this sentence? If people choose not to do something about the theft they're being subjected to, then no, that is not a problem. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
352
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:45:00 -
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Rats wrote:Easy way to deal with ninja looters that's fun as well. When one comes into your mission, target your own cans and just as he get to one pop it. then rinse and repeat just as he gets to the next to a can pop it again, that way if you don't get the loot /salvage then no one will. Also fun to see how many cans your victim will fly too before he gets bored/angry (my record is 5 cans) then leaves or starts to target you in the hope that you will shoot him or if your lucky does shoot you then fun really starts : )
^Confirmed for best method. 100% Safe trolling method, and you still get money from everything else while they don't :) Did they take a mission critical item? Either (1) check the contracts cause they sell em for like...100,000 or (2) close the mission and tell them nope, I'll go do another mission :) sod off. Don't let them interfere at ALL, even ignore them completely if you want. Pretend to be a bot and just move to another mission or system. They can't stop you from playing YOUR way. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥ in this sentence? If people choose not to do something about the theft they're being subjected to, then no, that is not a problem.
"Ninja", "thief", "nullbear" whatever you want to call him... |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
166
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:31:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥ in this sentence? If people choose not to do something about the theft they're being subjected to, then no, that is not a problem. "Ninja", "thief", "nullbear" whatever you want to call him...
What Iwin button do they have? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9497
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Who are GǣtheyGǥ in this sentence? If people choose not to do something about the theft they're being subjected to, then no, that is not a problem. "Ninja", "thief", "nullbear" whatever you want to call him... GǪso that makes that part of your statement incorrect as well.
They're doing it to get into fights, so the supposed problem doesn't exist: if it happens, you can do something about it, so no problem there. If it doesn't happen thenGǪ well, then it doesn't happen, so no problem there either.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
166
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:40:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Verone wrote:If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it. Problem is that they are so risk-averse that if there's more than one character from same corp they don't do it because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button.
I do it all the time, ppl are far more likely to agress if they think they have help, and its way more fun isolating one dude to kill out of 4 or 5 that can kill you than just ganking one random dude. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:41:00 -
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Doddy wrote:What Iwin button do they have?
Ever tried to shoot a frigate with BS sized guns?
If mission runner is alone in the system (+ no corpmates in nearby systems) it's much easier for thief.
If it's even remotely possible that mission runner isn't as clueless as thief first thought and actually is working as a bait. This means corpmates in same system or nearby systems ready to warp in when ninja takes the bait. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:They're doing it to get into fights (and there are no I-win buttons there)
Umm... Last time ninja warp in to mission pocket I was in it was earlier this year. If I remember correctly it was a Rifter. Do you know what this Rifter pilot did when my alt jumped in to same system? He warped away... |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
376
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:53:00 -
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Will carebears ever stop crying? Why do they play this game if it upsets them so much?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:54:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Will carebears ever stop crying? Why do they play this game if it upsets them so much?
Was it you who got scared by my alt's freighter? |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
168
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:What Iwin button do they have? Ever tried to shoot a frigate with BS sized guns?
I don't bother because my light drones kill them in about 20 seconds.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1734
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:58:00 -
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Not an exploit. Sandbox.
/thread EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:59:00 -
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Doddy wrote:I don't bother because my light drones kill them in about 20 seconds.
Even Vengeance? Quite epic drone skills you have there... |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
168
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Posted - 2012.09.14 14:06:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:I don't bother because my light drones kill them in about 20 seconds. Even Vengeance? Quite epic drone skills you have there...
People ninja salvage in vengeances? They aren't going to get many fights are they .....
Anyway you miss the point, a frig cannot kill your mission ship, so who cares if you can't kill it either? Assuming the thief actually wants a fight he wants to be in something that can kill you see he will either warp off to get another ship or let you kill his frig (bit dumb to use a vengeance for this) then come back in something else.
If you are engaging in your mission ship you are doing something wrong from the start anyway. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 14:10:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Anyway you miss the point, a frig cannot kill your mission ship, so who cares if you can't kill it either? Assuming the thief actually wants a fight he wants to be in something that can kill you see he will either warp off to get another ship or let you kill his frig (bit dumb to use a vengeance for this) then come back in something else.
Somebody has obviously never heard of: - Orca - safe spot - aligning |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
168
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Posted - 2012.09.14 14:55:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:Anyway you miss the point, a frig cannot kill your mission ship, so who cares if you can't kill it either? Assuming the thief actually wants a fight he wants to be in something that can kill you see he will either warp off to get another ship or let you kill his frig (bit dumb to use a vengeance for this) then come back in something else.
Somebody has obviously never heard of: - Orca - safe spot - aligning
Well you have clearly not heard of them either or you would know that if you are aligned you can just warp off when mr bad man swaps ships in the orca.
Not that you even need to worry about orcas in most missions ... |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
207
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:00:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:Anyway you miss the point, a frig cannot kill your mission ship, so who cares if you can't kill it either? Assuming the thief actually wants a fight he wants to be in something that can kill you see he will either warp off to get another ship or let you kill his frig (bit dumb to use a vengeance for this) then come back in something else.
Somebody has obviously never heard of: - Orca - safe spot - aligning All 3 of those involve warping off.
Unless you want to bring an orca into a mission. |
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Verone wrote:If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it. Problem is that they are so risk-averse that if there's more than one character from same corp they don't do it because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button.
It really is cute how all the masterful super-pew dudes assume that people don't "do something about it" because they're afraid. Quite simply, I don't care. Period. You want it? Rock on. Belly-button lint it more appealing than someone dropping into a mission to try griefing. It has zero effect on my day.
But you guys just don't get it. :) I think that's cute. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
92
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:17:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:OP, did you know that in 0.0 the ONLY way for you to make money to survive is to kill rats while there are no bad people in local ...
and that there are some bad people who will then decide to jump in those systems and stay there .. like ... forever? And cloaked, so that nobody can kill them?! Now people can't make money!!
So really ... there are far worse exploits to deal with!!
lol |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
168
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:19:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Verone wrote:If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it. Problem is that they are so risk-averse that if there's more than one character from same corp they don't do it because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button. It really is cute how all the masterful super-pew dudes assume that people don't "do something about it" because they're afraid. Quite simply, I don't care. Period. You want it? Rock on. Belly-button lint it more appealing than someone dropping into a mission to try griefing. It has zero effect on my day. But you guys just don't get it. :) I think that's cute.
It could be the guys forum poasting that implies it....
You are right of course the majority of missioners ignore ninjas completely as they couldn't care less.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:23:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Unless you want to bring an orca into a mission.
I don't probably because I'm that mission runner...
But if you gankers don't know how to use tools CCP gave you... Well, that's not my problem. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
84
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:38:00 -
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Here is your solution OP:
I don't always mission, but when I do... I fly a mission Drake.
100mil isk KM vs. 4bil isk KM, pretty self explanatory.
It is called forgetting about salvage and other horseshit, and blitz for LP with Sec Connections V and Negotiation V. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
169
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Unless you want to bring an orca into a mission. I don't probably because I'm that mission runner... But if you gankers don't know how to use tools CCP gave you... Well, that's not my problem.
You know Orcas can't go into many missions right? And that even when they can slow boating an orca over tens of kilometres of deadspace between rooms is no-ones idea of time well spent? Or that the target can just warp off when you swap ships anyway if they bothered to align?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:58:00 -
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Doddy wrote:You know Orcas can't go into many missions right? And that even when they can slow boating an orca over tens of kilometres of deadspace between rooms is no-ones idea of time well spent? Or that the target can just warp off when you swap ships anyway if they bothered to align?
You forgot most important one!
You can't swap ships from Orca's SMB if you are targeted by player or NPC.
But you have good points there. Although there's still a lot of missions without any gates (The Blockade anyone?). |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2397
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:01:00 -
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Luke Visteen wrote:use d-scan (set to 2,5AU). when you see combat probes just warp away for 2 minutes. I can log most any battleship at 4 AU. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:07:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Here is your solution OP:
I don't always mission, but when I do... I fly a mission Drake.
100mil isk KM vs. 4bil isk KM, pretty self explanatory.
It is called forgetting about salvage and other horseshit, and blitz for LP with Sec Connections V and Negotiation V.
Blitzing with Drake... Can not compute... |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
66
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Posted - 2012.09.16 15:03:00 -
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Everything else aside, the OP does highlight a good point in that the seperation between the wreck and the loot contained is just odd. Salvage is valuable. One of the reasons for missioning in certain regions is the potential salvage either for sale or for use. CCP has yet to make a logical explanation as to why the thing contained within the ship is property but the remains of the ship are not.
That having been said, ninja salvagers are so easy to avoid that one makes oneself open to many comments for complaining about them instead of simply highlighting another CCP decision that seems to lack any sort of common sense. |
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