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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 25/03/2011 19:07:21 Ermm he's hugely unconvincing and doesn't even appear to be able to read his own graphs.
His comments about PLEX are nonsense as bot farmers have been stockpiling for ages (evebank for example).
Hopefully Sreegs will sort out the problem cos the guy on now has no clue about anything.
Edit - and I STILL beleive that PLEX was made a regular in-game item to absolve CCP of potential debts but this guy has less clue about economics than the EU.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:13:00 -
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I was about to post about his presentation, but then I saw this. Seriously, his stage presence is... horrible, sorry, but it just is. It's as if he's reciting a preliminary form of a not yet published QEN.
And damn, guy, the insurance thing ? IT DID NEXT TO NOTHING, as could be seen by what started happening immediately after (prices divebombing). The OTHER changes and additions made alongside is what caused the recovery, and you could have just as well not even TOUCHED insurance. Oh, and ONE SINGLE insurance payout adjustment... really ? COME ON !
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:13:00 -
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any link to his comments or info about it?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso any link to his comments or info about it?
http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/stream/free
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:16:00 -
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oh common, go easy on the guy.
BUT, i think he misinterpreted the skyrocketing on PLEX...wasnt there a speculation-bubble going on on "remap for plex"...he didnt even mention it ;)
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:17:00 -
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I have no idea why the good doc is giving so much grief to his audience, but he sure is doing really great at that.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:17:00 -
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I think the problem is that he simply doesn't understand the game with all its current problems.
The graphs on PI are very very funny. He ought to apply for a job at the ECB - they don't have a clue either.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I was about to post about his presentation, but then I saw this. Seriously, his stage presence is... horrible, sorry, but it just is. It's as if he's reciting a preliminary form of a not yet published QEN.
And damn, guy, the insurance thing ? IT DID NEXT TO NOTHING, as could be seen by what started happening immediately after (prices divebombing). The OTHER changes and additions made alongside is what caused the recovery, and you could have just as well not even TOUCHED insurance. Oh, and ONE SINGLE insurance payout adjustment... really ? COME ON !
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Akita - not much changed because ccp changed loot tables and nocxium changed. In the past 6 months it has gone from 100 isk per unit to nearly 600 isk per unit. Since insurances is supposed to change with mineral prices this huge change in mineral value kept insurance steady.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/03/2011 19:24:59
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Akita - not much changed because ccp changed loot tables and nocxium changed. In the past 6 months it has gone from 100 isk per unit to nearly 600 isk per unit. Since insurances is supposed to change with mineral prices this huge change in mineral value kept insurance steady.
You don't really have a point.
Insurance payout is supposed to be ROUGHLY at the same level with, or even preferably ever so slightly higher than the market price of a ship. There was a SINGLE insurance payout rebalance, and... the full payout is now LOWER than the market price of ships. The PROBLEMS we used to have back in the day were because 70% of that payout (or, in other words, the net ISK difference) used to be ABOVE the market price of a ship, so it became profitable to buy ships to just blow them up... so the only thing you MUST do is have insurance pay out less than that. Really, that's the only thing you just absolutely have to do. Payouts below market price don't do anybody any good.
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P.S. Semi-unrelated - well, ok, he had some semi-interesting points more recently now, but still... the first re-impression, meh. _
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:26:00 -
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I prefer a casual stage presence myself. Leave the acting for plays.
Finding a lot of the info interesting, but i'm not quite as obsessed with the economy as some.
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Sebastian Belaqua
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastian Belaqua on 25/03/2011 19:31:55 Wow - he just said CCP would manipulate the PLEX market if it got too "unstable". Terrible Idea.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/03/2011 19:39:23
About technetium... LOL !
Paraphrasing very roughly...
"I think it's because technetium is in so many smaller items" "There might not be enough supply, but that is lame" "I don't want to talk about it" "I have no single explanation of why it happened" "We looked at the data and there's nothing unusual going, nobody is stocking it up" "We're still trying to figure it out"
Really ? We, the players, have figured it out A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:41:00 -
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"i wouldnt say it takes us years to acknowledge it - it takes us years to do something about it"
CCP Economist when asked about tehcnetium and insurance fraud. ----- Russian | English | French
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:43:00 -
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Another player just asked about a moon mineral rebalance. "We cannot answer that at this point, but it's an ongoing concern, we'll be looking at it" and similar. _
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bek Thyron on 25/03/2011 19:45:13 This guy is somewhat...I just dont like his way to answer every ****ing question with "Aehhhh...i cannot answer that right now/Its not what i am allowed to say/We look closely to it and will take the necessery steps/"
WTF.
(edit) Oh hai Akita you noticed this too, hm? **** **** Please send me mail if you want to sell big piles of corpses. Must be in mint condition. (space-frozen)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bek Thyron This guy is somewhat...I just dont like his way to answer every ****ing question with "Aehhhh...i cannot answer that right now/Its not what i am allowed to say/We look closely to it and will take the necessery steps/" WTF.
That's because the playerbase is more competent at predicting//estimating the effects of any changes, and they don't want us speculating for even more ludicrous profits than we already have...
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:47:00 -
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OH REALLY WHAT THE HELL.
"How much plexes are actually flowing in the game?" "Its a question i cannot answer directly."
Screw that. **** **** Please send me mail if you want to sell big piles of corpses. Must be in mint condition. (space-frozen)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bek Thyron OH REALLY WHAT THE HELL. "How much plexes are actually flowing in the game?" "Its a question i cannot answer directly." Screw that.
Especially since previously, this data has been made public in devblogs (or was it a QEN) ?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T (or was it a QEN) ?
Speaking of QEN, they are handing them out, where the hell is the link to it!
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Bek Thyron OH REALLY WHAT THE HELL. "How much plexes are actually flowing in the game?" "Its a question i cannot answer directly." Screw that.
Especially since previously, this data has been made public in devblogs (or was it a QEN) ?
I think i had read some devblog about popularity of plexes since they were introduced. But seriously, CCP...ugh. It was NOT a pleasure to watch this guy. **** **** Please send me mail if you want to sell big piles of corpses. Must be in mint condition. (space-frozen)
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:52:00 -
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well I enjoyed it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/03/2011 19:53:42
Originally by: Bek Thyron I think i had read some devblog about popularity of plexes since they were introduced.
Think I found it. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=684
Quote: But seriously, CCP...ugh. It was NOT a pleasure to watch this guy.
Eh, watching any economists talk nowadays seldom is :rimshot: _
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/03/2011 19:53:42
Originally by: Bek Thyron I think i had read some devblog about popularity of plexes since they were introduced.
Think I found it. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=684
Quote: But seriously, CCP...ugh. It was NOT a pleasure to watch this guy.
Eh, watching any economists talk nowadays seldom is :rimshot:
Touche **** **** Please send me mail if you want to sell big piles of corpses. Must be in mint condition. (space-frozen)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:58:00 -
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FunzzeR
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:58:00 -
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Another reason why CCP should create an open database of market data, ships used/destroyed data, etc for the economists and statisticians among the playerbase to do their own analysis and bypass the rather useless QEN all together.
Alas that will likely never happen, but I can only dream. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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Dr Geiger
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Posted - 2011.03.25 20:06:00 -
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Most entertaining item I seen all day on stream. I enjoyed his presentation.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.03.25 20:07:00 -
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Ah, not too bad.
At least I learned that Dr. E's major (only?) focus is on the ISK flow in general and not on how much a single item might sell for. I guess his major task is to control inflation and the balance between ISK sources and sinks.
Seemingly it is game development that handles the task with item availability and not Dr. E.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2011.03.25 20:13:00 -
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I hate to say it, but I have to admit to being singularily unimpressed by this talk. I'm well aware that as a representative of what you might call the central bank in EVE he can't just make off-the-cuff predictions or prognosis as that would leave the market influenced and somehow tainted, but the fact remains that in the end of the day, the analysis of too much of the data was at worst fatally flawed or at best shallow. What really got my goat though was the pronouncement that the EVE economy is basically fine, again, apparently blatently ignoring the fact that it, quite fundamentally, is not. The many hand-offs to 'game design' notwithstanding, the approach taken is fundamentally too distant and dismissive. The fact that the market in itself is, on paper no doubt, efficient and reactive, is meaningless if it is efficiently and reactively going down the toilet as we speak. However theoretically repugnant interventionism may be, the situation has, over the past couple of years, degraded to such an extend that any other course of action is simply no longer feasible, and any argument to the contrary nothing less than an excuse. And quite frankly, on a personal level, I'm rather tired of the latter. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist |
Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.03.25 20:21:00 -
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I havent seen it but chances are based on comments the guy is nervous or not keen on talking, but thats just based on the situation. .
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Dr Offensive
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Posted - 2011.03.25 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 25/03/2011 19:07:21 Ermm he's hugely unconvincing and doesn't even appear to be able to read his own graphs.
Col Gaddafis speeches are hugely unconvincing but at least there's passion, fist thumping passion, in there.
Actually thinking about it, Gaddadi might be looking for a new job soon, I vote Gaddafi for the next CCP economist.
You can vote for him at - http://www.algathafi.org/html-english/index.htm
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