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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gheeveetto Meyargen
Originally by: Mirac Factar mmmm I'm already making more profit than I was pre-patch because of the changes.
So yeah keep quitting PI everyone, I'll make more money when you all stop supplying and the prices rise.
Thanks CCP for the changes.
I find this attitude rather short sighted. Yes you may be able to take advantage of the problems, and more profit for you, great!!
But it is clearly borked.
Do you want more borking in the pursuit of profits?
OK. Lets nerf missiles by 10,000%, you now need thousands of them to kill the smallest of ships! Great profit for missile makers - sure, but clearly a game destroying bork all the same. And not so great for ship makers btw. Why stop there, bork everything, there is always profits to be had in any and every situation!
Totally agree. If people are going to make more money with the new PI they wouldn't complain at all. Users complain that the balance is broken, not to mention the number of options you had with the old PI. If you want to do less work, you could make P2 and P3 on single planet and you would make less money out of it. If you do it as profession you know how to get the best out of your skills, and run a short 5h cycles. With the new patch you can't do P3 on single planet and the P2 chain is totally broken. The users that used to do 5h cycles are totally screwed...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.01.31 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist Edited by: Horizonist on 31/01/2011 08:42:53
Originally by: Sokrates Zosimus
Originally by: Horizonist
What I explained to the poster in the beginning was that it is possible to get good yields under the new system, if you do it right. I never said that even these levels were anywhere near the old ones, because they are not.
'Good' compared to what? The OP was talking about origional levels compared to the new system. Everyone agrees production is down, including you, so how is the new PI good for production?
Compared to the old, it is not, and I do not argue anything else. Still, with patience, planning and some careful work, it is still possible to make a decent profit from it, especially now that prices are on the rise due to the cut production. You will not make what you did before (I am down to around 500-550 from 700+), but until CCP fixes this mess, that is simply something we will have to settle for.
Taking they will fix the mess. And what if they don't, and leave PI in the broken state it is. It's not like that's something that didn't happen before...just look how long it took them to acknowledge the fiasco they did with fleet fights after Dominion...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.01.31 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Quetazoid PI is not broken,
Just move to a lower'sec and avoid pirates.
So you suggest that PI is only good for lowsec, and that's how it should be? Considering that the 0.0 risk is higher and so should the reward be... And have all that instead of just fixing it, and have player play where they want to play it...be it in high sec, low or null...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.01.31 17:59:00 -
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Don't set your expectations about 0.0 too high, I live in 0.0 and can tell you that planets that were good before are now utterly useless. Just a warning so you don't have your expectations crushed too hard.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann I think encouraging colonies to specialize instead of being able to make complete POS fuel production chains on just a few planets is a good thing.
It boggles my mind how people find a way to complain about every single change, no matter how good it is.
Well it looks like it's not good? CCP has track record of braking their own game, multiple times...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 07:51:00 -
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Adopting to something that is broken is not called adopting, it's called bending over... Starting to think that the silence from CCP is some kind of hope that this issue will magically go away.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 09:55:00 -
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Says the guy that has no idea how PI works, and probably has never used it... Get out troll...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Euporie Says the guy that has no idea how PI works, and probably has never used it... Get out troll...
Just cause your network of PI slave botters suddenly couldn't do their work to keep your POS network running doesn't mean it's bad game design.
And considering the lower than expected commodity prices I'd say there's not a problem.
Sweet. Turns out I have PI slave bots and a POS network!!! Where can I claim the production of said POSes or bots? I'm pretty sure that the PI botters don't care much, because the bot programs will evolve and manage to work. And PI is probably not exactly the most lucrative place you could use bots, but hey no one said thinking is easy. Trolling on the other hand is...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Euporie on 01/02/2011 13:41:32
Originally by: Thaddius Zeliak PI is not terrible. You are.
For any of the spoiled little brats crying because they cannot complete p4 products using only one planet really need to get their heads out of their asses.
PI is wonderful. Ive been doing it for a week now and it is the most relaxing and effortless 70 million a day I've ever imagined. I play around and have fun with the planets, spend 10 minutes a day hauling cargo from my 4 P1 planets to my P3 production planet, and bam. Its easy. I use four planets for P1. Each uses 1 spaceport, 1 extract with 10 heads, and 7 processors. I use anywhere from a 1 to 7 day cycle. I produce enough P0 to supply a constant stream of P1, and im generally sitting on around 300,000 extra units of each P0 material.
So heres my tip for you. 1. Stop crying and stop acting like a little brat. 2. Stop expecting PI to be a free paycheck with a spoon fed dinner as compliments. 3. Stop doing PI in highsec. Nothing in highsec has any true profit margin. 4. Instead of crying on the forums, go learn how to properly manage your planetary colonies.
1/10 for the effort. 70mil a day? or 7mil a day? Might want to check those numbers again, there is no way you can do 70mil/day. That is like 2.1B/month, so yeah... you fail bad at trolling and doing math... considering you do it with 1 char.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.01 20:36:00 -
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They are buying P1 and P2 from the market, and process them to P3. They don't do the actual extraction P0->P1 or P0->P1->P2. That's why they don't "see" the drop in extraction rate.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.08 11:23:00 -
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@ Pearl. Exactly the same thing, white spots are gone in a matter of 2 days and after that the extraction rate just goes down a lot...and I get a lot of BIFs idle...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.08 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: battlejuice Even though the depletion is worse then before the PI changes the prices of the products are falling and going down daily.
I just hope that lot of the PI runners will stop so the prices will go up again
Got a news flash for you bro. A lot of people stock piled a ton of PI stuff from NPCs before the introduction of the PI at a prices that are x10~20 cheaper than the current prices. And that stock pile will take a LOT of time to clear. So keep dreaming...
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: battlejuice Wonder how many have stocked more then 1 billion
There are always exceptions which have stocked more but I have a constant flow of this around a billion monthly with only a few millions having invested
Who was dreaming
Yeah I'm pretty sure you and few other players are really happy, and the rest of the player base is screwed. Prime example of CCP brainless acting, and messing the whole economy big time.
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Euporie
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:10:00 -
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^^^ THIS.
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