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Phyei
Minmatar T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:08:00 -
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Underwater is a word, but abovewater is not... argh
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 15/12/2010 18:12:45 Well since you have to be above the water to speak it, I can see how underwater became one word and above water is two.
I'm sure if there are any intelligent beings that live in the depths of the mariana trench that speak English - they would most assuredly use abovewater as one word.
But yes, English is a basterdized language. That's what makes it so awesome.
It's the Borg of the language world.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:17:00 -
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-A teacher tought, did a preacher prought? -Read and read, women and women, etc. have two different pronounciations -I before E except after C is a sh!iiiiiity rule that only applies sometimes -What is the point of having a U follow a Q, I mean really? -the past tense of absorb is abosrbed, but then we have absorption which uses a p...wtf
There are so many more and they must make learning english a nightmare. EVE Trivia EVE History
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:19:00 -
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You have to understand the history of English. To put it simply, English was result of Normans (who spoke French) trying to pick up Saxon wenches.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:21:00 -
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Underair? -
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:25:00 -
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Quote: A teacher tought, did a preacher prought?
tought is not a word. Perhaps you meant taught?
I have no idea what prought is - it's not a word either. lols
Quote: -Read and read, women and women, etc. have two different pronounciations
read and read - yes. Not women and women as it's woman and women. They have two different pronunciations as they are two different words with two different spellings and two different meanings..
Quote: -I before E except after C is a sh!iiiiiity rule that only applies sometimes
Yes, weird how that works eh? lols
Quote: -What is the point of having a U follow a Q, I mean really?
Quorum. pronounce it. Qorum would not have the same pronunciation.
Quote: -the past tense of absorb is abosrbed, but then we have absorption which uses a p...wtf
absorption is a noun. Absord is a verb.
Quote: There are so many more and they must make learning english a nightmare.
There are a metric ****load of them but you really haven't hit on many here. English is supposed to be one of the hardest languages to learn.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope You have to understand the history of English. To put it simply, English was result of Normans (who spoke French) trying to pick up Saxon wenches.
Yes, but even before that it was a form of German from present day Netherlands that intermixed with the half-breed Celts in the UK..
lol, I joke I joke.
Kinda.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:39:00 -
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It's a pretty ****ty language, really. Exceptions to every rule and multiple meanings for words spelled exactly the same. I pity anyone trying to learn it.
If i were to say it was 'based' on anything it would be German. It's phoenetically similar in many ways, but without the ridiculous compound words. And has scraps from many other languages thrown in just to keep people guessing.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:41:00 -
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Praught is the unofficial past tense of Preach in certain areas.
Unfortunately, yet fortunately at the same time, the English language doesnt have a true Real Academia of Language, meaning there are variations of the language localized per country despite the common grammar of the language used in schools.
Oxfordian english is the most common and taken as canon regarding basic building blocks , yet lacking any real central centralized authority that defines the wrongness or correctness of certain structures in the language makes english a beautiful beast.
Take this snippet, very relevant to this post
Several educated native dialects of English have wide acceptance as standards in much of the world, with much emphasis placed on one dialect based on educated southern British and another based on educated Midwestern American. The former is sometimes called BBC (or the Queen's) English, and it may be noticeable by its preference for "Received Pronunciation". The latter dialect, General American, which is spread over most of the United States and much of Canada, is more typically the model for the American continents and areas (such as the Philippines) that have had either close association with the United States, or a desire to be so identified. In Oceania, the major native dialect of Australian English is spoken as a first language by 92% of the inhabitants of the Australian continent, with General Australian serving as the standard accent. The English of neighbouring New Zealand as well as that of South Africa have to a lesser degree been influential native varieties of the language.
Aside from these major dialects, there are numerous other varieties of English, which include, in most cases, several subvarieties, such as ****ney, Scouse and Geordie within British English; Newfoundland English within Canadian English; and African American Vernacular English ("Ebonics") and Southern American English within American English. English is a pluricentric language, without a central language authority like France's AcadTmie frantaise; and therefore no one variety is considered "correct" or "incorrect" except in terms of the expectations of the particular audience to which the language is directed.
So no, NO ONE , despite their otherworldly titles can say this or that is the correct way of speaking in english, as there is just an implied form of speaking that everyone more or less accepts, despite the utter sheer terror and paranoia of Engrish-haters.
There are just implied forms and norms that denote you as being a "good" speaker, thus not one of the rabble.
This inherent chaos in the language is what makes me love it. No other language, besides Esperanto has such awesome potential for mutation. And to be honest, only the truly insane speak Esperanto. I began to learn a bit and had to roll several sanity checks. ---
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.15 18:46:00 -
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Quote: It's a pretty ****ty language, really. Exceptions to every rule and multiple meanings for words spelled exactly the same. I pity anyone trying to learn it.
It is a very complicated language because of it's unparalleled success and fascinating history.
Quote: If i were to say it was 'based' on anything it would be German.
Well that's because it is. It's known as being in the West Germanic family of languages. It's a form of German just like modern German is a form of German. lols
Quote: It's phoenetically similar in many ways, but without the ridiculous compound words. And has scraps from many other languages thrown in just to keep people guessing.
English is the most successfull and far reaching language in the world. It has stolen many, many words from other languages and incorporated them as it's own.
It is the Borg - there is no escape.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:09:00 -
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And then there's the fact that English has multiple words which have similar meanings but subtle differences in meaning with different etymological roots. Examples:
Look, see poly, many, lots, several annual, yearly avian, bird god, deity disciple, student feign, fake fortune, luck
etc etc... ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope You have to understand the history of English. To put it simply, English was result of Normans (who spoke French) trying to pick up Saxon wenches.
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Mother Clanger
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.12.16 01:19:00 -
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Think of it like this: essentially, English has been trolling itself for the last 1000 years.
- MC
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Benco97
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 01:56:00 -
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So fy'n ai gall siaradwch seisneg heb oes. ______________________________________________
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.16 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 16/12/2010 02:05:28
Originally by: Taedrin And then there's the fact that English has multiple words which have similar meanings but subtle differences in meaning with different etymological roots. Examples:
Look, see poly, many, lots, several annual, yearly avian, bird god, deity disciple, student feign, fake fortune, luck
etc etc...
You're comparing apples to oranges. English isn't the only language that does this; in fact, most Latin-based languages are like this, especially Italian.
"Look and see" are two different things completely. In Italian it would be "guardare" and "vedere" because they're two different actions, just like in English. To see is a sensory verb like smell, taste, etc., something that's automatic, but to look is an action verb.
Poly is a Greek word that is still used today that means multiple, much, many, etc., "many" and "lots" are similar but "several" does not mean "many" or "lots"...several is like "some", "a few", etc.
"Feign" and "Fake" are two different types of words: feign is a verb and fake can be both a verb and an adjective. This sharing of words with different uses is common in many, many languages.
You make some interesting points and definitely bring up some food for thought.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.16 02:26:00 -
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I think the things that throw most learners of English for a loop are phrasal verbs, slang, and idiomatic phrases. One is completely dependent upon simple memorization to learn them, as there are no clear rules for them most times. At least those are the things my students have the most trouble with in English.
With phrasal verbs, any preposition added to the end of the verb not only completely changes the meaning of the sentence, but can also change how one must say it. No one says "going to"...in common English it's "gonna".
Slang is also pain in the ass. Not only does it make no sense at all to the casual listener, it becomes almost like a secret handshake between speakers of the same dialect. The same slang in American English is rarely the same in the Queen's English, and those are just the obvious differences...we haven't even begun speaking about different slang for different regions of the same country. It's everywhere, and your only hope is to watch as many movies and visit as many online forums as you can.
Idiomatic phrases are similar to slang, but to a lesser extent. They tend to use more metaphors, so sometimes that can help.
Still, English is a very simple language and its rules are clear and concise. The difference between English and every other language on the face of the earth is that most people don't speak it correctly, and if you do, it can sound strange to the casual listener. In other languages, there are rules to follow and if you don't follow them people will look at you quite sternly and quickly correct you, whereas in English we celebrate bad grammar, quite frankly. This is extremely apparent in music. However, I think we've got the right idea; "I can't get no satisfaction" sounds a whole helluva lot better than "I can't get any satisfaction". We are concerned with the metrics of a song instead of being grammatically correct. Here in Italy, if an artist used bad grammar in his/her music, it's looked upon quite badly. Granted, the music here sucks gigantic donkey balls anyway, and I personally think it's the language at fault. They don't know anything about the metrics of writing music and how to write LYRICS, not just words. Also, every word ending in a vowel tends to be annoying when sung.
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Headerman
Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:41:00 -
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English is indeed very complex, there is a word for nearly everything.
But, learning it will help you :)
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.12.16 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: jason hill on 16/12/2010 04:06:46 i live here Linkage does this mean that I live in a book ninja edit i was once on a train from crakow to warsaw and a lady in the carriage could understand every single word of english that my wife spoke but i originate from sunderland and she could not for the life of her understand a single word of "english" that i spoke .at the end of the journey she asked my wife what country in europe i came from .... all we could do was smile .....true story ...apparently poland doesnt have regional accents like we do in england
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 16/12/2010 05:39:42
Originally by: Riedle
tought is not a word. Perhaps you meant taught?
I have no idea what prought is - it's not a word either. lols
Yeah I mispelled taught for some reason, and yes praught is not a word, which is the point I'm making
Quote: read and read - yes. Not women and women as it's woman and women. They have two different pronunciations as they are two different words with two different spellings and two different meanings..
Ahh ofc, but there are a few others. e.g. pronounciation of they're, there, their, you're, your, were, we're, board, bored, here, hear, bare, bear, site, cite, aisle, isle etc.
They are each pronounced the same yet have different meanings, no wonder even many adults get them confused.
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Quorum. pronounce it. Qorum would not have the same pronunciation.
Ok how many people even know what that word is or use it in every day conversation, maybe it could be used for that word but to justify it for every word with q at the start? Really?
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absorption is a noun. Absord is a verb.
I assume you meant absorb, but c'mon, they have the same subject matter yet someone decided to just switch letters for no damn reason ffs..
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There are a metric ****load of them but you really haven't hit on many here. English is supposed to be one of the hardest languages to learn.
Another one is silent letters, they are really Dumb (see what I did there ) EVE Trivia EVE History
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 16/12/2010 05:55:14
Quote: read and read - yes. Not women and women as it's woman and women. They have two different pronunciations as they are two different words with two different spellings and two different meanings.
I was thinking more like lead meaning to guide something or someone, and also the element. Or tear meaning something being ripped, and also a thing produced when a person cries.
Read and read are just the present and past tense of the same action, and women/woman is just the singular or plural. Things like that are common in many languages, and aren't nearly as baffling.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Atomos Darksun
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 05:52:00 -
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Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 09:39:00 -
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Interesting fact:
The words for animals are generally based upon Anglo-Saxon roots, while the words for their meat are based on French.
For example, cow is Anglo-Saxon while beef (boeuf) is French. Likewise sheep and mutton (mouton).
That's because the Anglo-Saxons looked after the animals, while the Normans ate them.
The are some exceptions to this, such as chicken.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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RedClaws
Amarr Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.16 09:55:00 -
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IMO English is quite easy. I normally speak and write dutch but my English grammar is better...
Dutch has even more weird rules and exceptions.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.12.16 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
It is a very complicated language because of it's unparalleled success and fascinating history.
[...] English is the most successfull and far reaching language in the world. It has stolen many, many words from other languages and incorporated them as it's own.
Also fascinating because of the typical spelling mistakes of (presumably) native speakers... ("its" vs. "it's")
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco Oxfordian english
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.16 11:02:00 -
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Don't forget the morons who add apostrophes in order to simply pluralize a word.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.16 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion Don't forget the morons who add apostrophes in order to simply pluralize a word.
H'ow ma'ny apo's'tro'ph'es is t'oo mu'ch?
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.16 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Astenion Don't forget the morons who add apostrophes in order to simply pluralize a word.
H'ow ma'ny apo's'tro'ph'es is t'oo mu'ch?
*ARE* too much.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:06:00 -
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Quote: Yeah I mispelled taught for some reason, and yes praught is not a word, which is the point I'm making
ahh.. kk gotcha.
Quote: Ahh ofc, but there are a few others. e.g. pronounciation of they're, there, their, you're, your, were, we're, board, bored, here, hear, bare, bear, site, cite, aisle, isle etc. They are each pronounced the same yet have different meanings, no wonder even many adults get them confused.
Yes, you are right. I kind of like how it is complicated though. I try to expand my vocabulary regularly. There are over a million words in English now. Crazy
Quote: Ok how many people even know what that word is or use it in every day conversation, maybe it could be used for that word but to justify it for every word with q at the start? Really?
Well, it was just an example. But verbalizing the letter "Q" rarely sounds the same as when you use "Q" in a word.
Quote: I assume you meant absorb, but c'mon, they have the same subject matter yet someone decided to just switch letters for no damn reason ffs..
lol, it sounds better that way? :)
Quote: Another one is silent letters, they are really Dumb (see what I did there )
:)
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Riedle
It is a very complicated language because of it's unparalleled success and fascinating history.
[...] English is the most successfull and far reaching language in the world. It has stolen many, many words from other languages and incorporated them as it's own.
Also fascinating because of the typical spelling mistakes of (presumably) native speakers... ("its" vs. "it's")
True, but you were reaching on that one you have to admit. :)
The one that annoys me to no end is 'loose' vs 'lose' Has to be the most commonly misspelled word that I see.
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