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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: GM Lelouch We have taken measures internally to ensure that all current and future GMs are familiar with in-game war mechanics as well as the policy listed above and we hope that these mistakes will not repeat themselves.
....... I'd like to extend my most sincere apologies on behalf of the whole GM team for these mistakes on our part and I hope that the measures we've taken and are planning to take in response to this will prevent similar mistakes from happening in the future.
Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
HAHAHAHAHA! This bit of comedy is so hilarious, I almost cried. Haven't laughed this much in a long time.
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:29:00 -
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So even when the logs do show something no one knows how to read them correctly.
Congratulations to TEST on finally getting justice.
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Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:07:00 -
[273]
Well done GM LeLouche for providing about as full an explanation as you could get. It'd be nice if every GM knew every rule and game mechanic, but it's impossible. As every 5 year old pilot who gets popped by a simple trick will know, the more you know simply the more you have to forget. Coming out in public and saying "we screwed up. Several times." is pretty generous in gaming company terms.
As for TEST... gods you really are pathetic attention-*****s. Are the babies crying so loudly because someone who wrote in whole sentence had their issues addressed while your child-like rants and guerilla forum tactics are being ignored? Hardly a surprise CCP stuck a dummy in your mouth and shut the door.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:22:00 -
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Goons seem a little butthurt that an empire merc corp got GM attention and oversight when all the angry posting they did about their TCUs just got ignored or locked.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:24:00 -
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Thank you TEST for apologizing to CCP for messing with their business operations by spamming the petition system.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:31:00 -
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Aha! A nice explanation and more than a page of TEST crying that their blatant cheating isn't being accepted as fair play. AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHHAA.
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utzutz 2
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Daquaris
Originally by: GM Lelouch I'd like to extend my most sincere apologies on behalf of the whole GM team for these mistakes on our part and I hope that the measures we've taken and are planning to take in response to this will prevent similar mistakes from happening in the future.
Apology accepted. Don't let it happen again.
You better start stealing from Somer.blink.. oh wait...
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank Goons seem a little butthurt...
TEST =/= Goons
fake edit: whoops, didn't post from my goon alt
Quote: Lord Makk > Our pilots are masochist buttjockey
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Xystance
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank Aha! A nice explanation and more than a page of TEST crying that their blatant cheating isn't being accepted as fair play. AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHHAA.
Hi Gladys!
Thanks for your support, I know when one group of players is held to a different standard than another group of players it can seem very much like cheating. However, when a senior GM is willing to step up and apologize for either a mistake in judgment, or the past "overlooking" of certain ways of manipulating game mechanics, and take steps to correct it by setting an example, a shining beacon on a hill if you will, of how such behavior will be acted on in the future...
Well, it warms my cold, North Korean heart, and those of my cold and starving comrades' hearts.
Thanks again for your support!
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Matt Hock
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tyburn Stannis As for TEST... gods you really are pathetic attention-*****s.
Thank you for taking note of our work. We put quite a bit of effort into it, and the acknowledgement that our labors are noticed is always appreciated.
Honestly, I don't think most of us give a damn about the TCUs, they were just a troll in the first place and were going to get shot up within a day or two anyway. Heck, I think most of us would agree that the tactic shouldn't be allowed (timers really should pause during downtime imho, but that would require CCP turn some attention away from developing the next shiny new thing toward actually developing a quality product, and we all know they won't do that). The issue at hand wasn't that action was taken, it was that it was handled so poorly by CCP. Pretty much any single factor about the situation being different (the decision favoring IT, history of ignoring it, ignoring every other TCU and just taking down the TEST ones, etc) would likely not have resulted in all the *****ing, but it just kind of ended up the perfect storm of appearance of bias, favoritism, and CCP's standard GM myopia the way they handled it.
Oh, and thanks GM Lelouch for apology, etc etc etc :)
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Sapper Fiddler
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sapper Fiddler on 18/11/2010 15:46:05 Thank you, GM Lelouch, for your humble and magnanimous apology over TCUgate and the preferential treatment and unilateral policy-making that you displayed. We in TEST accept your apology.
I would also like to thank the countless players in this thread voicing support for TEST in our struggle against tyranny and oppression. Remember, we will always fight for your liberation...whether you realize it and want it or not.
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Dr Cheeto
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Cheeto on 18/11/2010 17:50:12
Originally by: Tyburn Stannis As for TEST... gods you really are pathetic attention-*****s. Are the babies crying so loudly because someone who wrote in whole sentence had their issues addressed while your child-like rants and guerilla forum tactics are being ignored? Hardly a surprise CCP stuck a dummy in your mouth and shut the door.
Cofirming that Montolio is the Che Guevara of posting.
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Serapis
Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Serapis on 18/11/2010 18:22:09
Originally by: Nalesh
Originally by: ElCholo ... one would have to take their thumb out of their ass first, but still
Thank you too for your condolescense and showing sympathy for our recent misery with the TCUs. THUMBS UP to the nose - never forget that - this keeps troop morale high
Apologies accepted and heartly appreciated
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.18 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Matt Hock
Originally by: Tyburn Stannis As for TEST... gods you really are pathetic attention-*****s.
Thank you for taking note of our work. We put quite a bit of effort into it, and the acknowledgement that our labors are noticed is always appreciated.
Honestly, I don't think most of us give a damn about the TCUs, they were just a troll in the first place and were going to get shot up within a day or two anyway. Heck, I think most of us would agree that the tactic shouldn't be allowed (timers really should pause during downtime imho, but that would require CCP turn some attention away from developing the next shiny new thing toward actually developing a quality product, and we all know they won't do that). The issue at hand wasn't that action was taken, it was that it was handled so poorly by CCP. Pretty much any single factor about the situation being different (the decision favoring IT, history of ignoring it, ignoring every other TCU and just taking down the TEST ones, etc) would likely not have resulted in all the *****ing, but it just kind of ended up the perfect storm of appearance of bias, favoritism, and CCP's standard GM myopia the way they handled it.
Oh, and thanks GM Lelouch for apology, etc etc etc :)
Petition. (Preferably only one person) Get Response. Repond with "I'd like to escalate this to a Senior GM, and a copy sent to IA so they can track the progress of this petition. ????????? Profit.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Petition. (Preferably only one person) Get Response. Repond with "I'd like to escalate this to a Senior GM, and a copy sent to IA so they can track the progress of this petition. ????????? Profit.
Again, thank you so much for the appology. It is quite touching, and i can feel it, deep inside me right here ------><------
It means alot to myself, and to the wider TEST Community, especially the GMS appology to us for our lost (and petitioned) TCUs.
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GM Lelouch
Game Masters
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Posted - 2010.11.18 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
Thank you for the heads up, I've corrected the Evelopedia article in question now.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: GM Lelouch
Originally by: Claire Voyant EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
Thank you for the heads up, I've corrected the Evelopedia article in question now.
Thanks GM Lelouch :D
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Dr Cheeto
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Cheeto on 18/11/2010 20:59:58
Originally by: GM Lelouch
Originally by: Claire Voyant EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
Thank you for the heads up, I've corrected the Evelopedia article in question now.
If you wouldn't mind correcting another EVElopedia article, this one fails to mention anything about extended downtimes.
Thanks in advance!
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Xystance
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: GM Lelouch
Thank you for the heads up, I've corrected the Evelopedia article in question now.
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 GM Lelouch <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Quendishir
Caldari The Immortal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.11.18 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Cheeto Edited by: Dr Cheeto on 18/11/2010 20:59:58
Originally by: GM Lelouch
Originally by: Claire Voyant EVElopedia says "Corporations not currently engaged in any war can apply to join an Alliance."
If that is the "bug" in question, shouldn't the corp have been ejected from the Alliance instead of the war being cancelled?
Documentation of "the rules" in this game sux. It almost makes me feel sorry for the GMs.
Thank you for the heads up, I've corrected the Evelopedia article in question now.
If you wouldn't mind correcting another EVElopedia article, this one fails to mention anything about extended downtimes.
Thanks in advance!
I'm going to assume you meant this page. But who knows, the Downies your alliance appear to be capable of the greatest feats of defying Darwinism I've seen in some time.
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BoodaBooda
Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.18 21:43:00 -
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Thank you for once again doing such a great job - this time, by handling the concise and clearly visible yet wrong information on that page before acting on a new imaginary rule.
Gm LeLouche, I really appreciate your work as a GM. Never before have I had such a memorable experience with a game master who is clearly very proficient at his job.
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Zelot Blueice
XTC Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.18 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 18/11/2010 23:02:56 Dear CCP,
I will put this as nicely as I can and I want you to pay very close attention to my words:
I DEMAND YOU END THIS F4GG0TRY AND THAT YOU F|_|CK1NG FIX YOUR **** AND THAT YOU PULL YOURSELF OUT OF THE ****H0LE YOU ARE IN AND NOT ALLOW GM'S TO PLAY EVE IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES!
Sincerely, Douche Bag with Big Letters ____________________________________________ POS Management Proposal |
Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.11.19 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 19/11/2010 00:40:49 Hmmmm.
1. "All petitions submitted by members of corporations within Fatal Ascension after the war had been canceled were reviewed and no reimbursement had been granted."
Petitions? As in plural? As in multiple? As in many? Many many? Many many many? Lots?
As the great forgotten philosopher king once said "Whoops there it is!"
2. A GM didn't understand the basics of wardecs? A Senior GM completely hosed the investigation because he/she/it evidently has never seen an alliance dragged into a wardec by a joining corp?
3. Ok now I want to read the explanation by FA. Bringing out the popcorn now.
note to GM: could we add "popcorn" to the items list?
4. Ok. Now I really want to read that initial petition.
All in all this was strange, odd, bizarre and filled with innuendo, ego and anger. Par for the course here at C&P but definitely gets two thumbs up with a swing and a miss.
edit: I don't know about you folks but I'm kicking some isk to Aerion Va'rr for the entertainment. This thread is for the ages.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: ElCholo It's like new Goons... but worse.
It's hilarious tbh.
I think we've just been Forum Camped!
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Wiawyr Hunta
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:04:00 -
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On behalf of TEST, I'd lake to thank GM Lelouch for apologizing for the destruction of our TCUs. It's nice to see that GMs can recognize when a situation was handled poorly and can be humble about it. It takes real guts to stand up and admit you don't have a clue about the game that you get paid to moderate.
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Xystance
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.19 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zelot Blueice Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 18/11/2010 23:02:56
... AND NOT ALLOW GM'S TO PLAY EVE IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES!
I'm not sure you understand what the problem is here Zelot...
This was initially caused by a GM that did not have enough experience with the war mechanics in the game. If he'd ever been in a corporation that received a wardec, then joined an alliance, or been IN a corp or alliance that was in a war and had their opponent do the same, he would have known this was pretty standard.
Training can go a long way, but ...
I'm a relatively new player see, and it took me my entire Eve career to understand that while every other alliance in Eve could deploy TCUs and other sovereignty structures during extended downtimes like station upgrades and such to exploit a lack of opposition, that if we did it on a larger scale we'd be called on it resulting in a change of precedent in all of Eve.
If we'd had a GM that had been in the situation where they'd either been in an alliance where this occurred, or been in an alliance where the opposition did so we may have avoided the unfortunate retraction of our 14 TCUs in Delve after the extended downtime.
So, your assertion that making sure GMs play -less- is... well it's as out of sorts as your fuzzy pink lettering or whoever the hell the "XTC Cartel" is.
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Grog Barrel
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 16/11/2010 00:58:50 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 16/11/2010 00:56:46
Originally by: Eto LabOne GM's should not be able to play this game outside of test.
I utterly cannot believe that CCP allows its employees to play this game like any normal player. Most free game servers that host games and GMS do not allow their GMS to play on the server to avoid favoritism.
We pay for this game, and to see latent favoritism on many different situations is getting out of hand.
Anyone that has anything to do with the making of this game should not be able to play as a normal character.
CCP tried this already in 2006, and the results were have been less than stellar. You cannot make Eve a good game without knowing how to play Eve or knowing how Eve is played.
When in a situation, having a GM taking actions shows rather an overall negavite impact in the game enviroment instead of NOT having a GM at all, then I would rethink that one again.
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 19/11/2010 03:02:25
Kill -FA-, Get Paid.
Post about killing -FA-, Get Paid. Linkeh
\o/
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Inevitability
Caldari Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.19 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 19/11/2010 00:40:49 Hmmmm.
edit: I don't know about you folks but I'm kicking some isk to Aerion Va'rr for the entertainment. This thread is for the ages.
forget Aerion...send it my way. He's filthy effin rich, and I'm poor.
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Ronald Raygunn
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Posted - 2010.11.19 05:37:00 -
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This is why I prefer to just keep to my myself in this game anymore. The d-baggery has reached truly epic heights across the galaxy.
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