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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.05 17:52:00 -
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I'm confused.... your complaining that a drake is good at exactly the role it was designed to do? I would hope so... otherwise it'd be ****.
There are quite a few ways to effectively counter a drake fleet.
Quote: This setup does 561 DPS with drones (60km) and 462 DPS all the way out to its locking range (75km) On top of this incredible DPS, it has a ridiculous 83k EHP and it can target paint smaller targets, totally raping frigs and other tackle and making sure the Fury missiles do full damage to all targets.
Hurricane with all skills at 5 (which I assume is what you rated your one with) can put out 800dps with 52.3k EHP. It does have to be a practically zero to do that much damage but with this fit (that includes a scrambler) without the scram you can hit 64k EHP with less speed/sig radius problems than heavy missiles without mods. Also it can do 1.5km/s with it's MWD on and can run everything (MWD + scram + invuns) for 7 mins solid without problems.
The two are comparable. Other Tier 2 BCs have other advantages, myrm has massive dps when blaster fit or decent ranged power when rail fit as well as having a very nice drone bay, harby is basically the same as the 'cane but slower and with longer range. All the Tier 2 BCs have their niche. My only complaint about the drake would be that it's perhaps too good at the short - mid range fits.
BTW, if you are fighting people with the fits you've linked, bring a few ewar frigs with sensor damps and watch them cry as they crawl 30+kms to try and get in range again. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.30 13:18:00 -
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I think the problem here lies more in that missiles lack a counter. Defender missiles, simply put, are very broken. They just don't function. Other weapon counters can either be totally ignored (TD, Range disruption) or compensated for (ECM/Damp, switch to FoF)
Smartbombs are the only viable defence and thats only possible on BSes really.
Drakes are a very nice missile platform but its only really the combination of the long range of missiles and high tank that make them so nasty, the fact the resist bonus effectively gives them +25% buffer, passive recharge AND RR is the game breaker here. The EM hole arguement is clearly made by people who haven't heard of hardeners.
I would agree that one element of the drake could use a SLIGHT nerf, I think targeting range would be the way to go so that the long range drakes need to lose a mid to tracking computer or low to a tracking enhancer. This would still allow the drake to perform as well as currently as shorter ranges and in small gangs without allowing it to retain it's current massive tanked sniper status that no other ship can reasonably obtain. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.30 19:41:00 -
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Quote: oh yes? my hurricane fit can use 2 medium smarties just fine.
The range of large smart bombs is what allows them to block missiles effectively.
Quote: and there are more counters to them. range would be one of them. a burned out missile wouldnt do any damage to you. sadly in current laggy situations stuff like LR hacs dont work so well.
The whole point of this is that you can't fight drakes at range..... A long range HAC fleet will get owned by a drake fleet for this exact reason. Running away where you can't do any damage to the drakes isn't a counter.... its simply running away.
Quote: anyway ... in current laggy situations drake slip over their own locking range often enough. also it can happen easily that their missiles burn out before hitting
And generally in these sort of situation the drake is the only craft that can hit anything at all, so its still performing better than anything else. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.31 01:01:00 -
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Quote: Drakes get no range bonuses for their missiles. Anything that can fire HMs/HMLs and gets some sort of range bonus (starting with Caracals) can out-range a Drake.
Except they can't lock at their max range. Drakes can without having to use a low or mid boosting their lock range. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.11.01 23:57:00 -
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I hardly think that a very minor nerf to the drake's locking range would cause the level of panic you are suggesting. Drake would still be the premium long range vessel and short range fits would be affected, it just wouldn't be able to fit 100k EHP and do 300+ dps at 70+km, would be more like 80k EHP (probably more) which is still twice as much as almost any other BC trying to do that much dps at that range. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.11.15 14:00:00 -
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I think you are playing 'Hello kitty Island adventure' instead of Eve.....
BS will have either: Twice the tank ('cane, haby, bruitx) or Twice the dps (drake)
Myrm is sitting somewhere in the middle. BSes have longer range, larger drone bays e.t.c.
Oh and as far price to effectiveness. T2 ships are only about 30-40% more effective than the T1 versions and cost 10x as much. A much greater imbalance than the supposed BS to BC difference you are quoting. Price isn't meant to have a direct collelation between itself power/usefulness, its an exponential curve and this fits it just right.
I'm not sure about reducing the Drake's buffer size. The thing is the passive recharge is irrelevant in long range fleet fights with logistics as the logis are doing the repping, the passive amount is negligible.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
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