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Solostrom
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Posted - 2010.09.12 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Just think about this simple question:
Is suicide ganking a feature of the game design or an unwanted loophole?
Honestly, aside from people with an IQ below 60 who don't understand the question, and suicide gankers themselves, I don't think anyone would think it's a feature?
Someone said that mission runners make a lot of money - this is completely illogical, as a suicide ganker can make more than the mission runner with much less effort.
Suicide Ganking is an intended feature. This is something that anyone who has been playing for long enough to have a faction pimped Tengu should know.
Apparently, the only person around here who has an IQ below 60 is you.
Obviously mish runners do make a lot of ISK otherwise you wouldn't have been flying that pimped out Tengu now would you?
As for the looting the wreck being a CONCORD offense. Sorta makes it difficult for people to help you out doesn't it? Besides the only reason you suggest it is because you lost your pimped out Tengu.
So let us do a quick review of the idiot checklist shall we?
Running mish in Motsu... check Flying ship with insane amounts of faction/ded modules... check Acting all suprised when this doesn't go well... check Crying about it in forums... check Fake, of course this was my fault beginning to OP... check Not taking responsiblity for your own stupidity and suggesting that the Game/Devs have overlooked something/made a mistake... check Ad Hominem attack on others disagreeing with you... check
Your doing pretty good so far. Perhaps you should stop posting and get back to mish running so you can replace all the stuff you lost.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
I warp to the station to dock - I'm targetted and scanned within 1 second, destroyed in 2 seconds by a single ship
Even a Tengu set up for missioning has a good tank (small sig radius, and you should have a good buffer). To kill it in 2 seconds is very difficult, certainly if in docking range....
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:13:00 -
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Pathetic. Trole.
Unless of course, OP, you are willing to provide us with a killmail?
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Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Solostrom
Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Just think about this simple question:
Is suicide ganking a feature of the game design or an unwanted loophole?
Honestly, aside from people with an IQ below 60 who don't understand the question, and suicide gankers themselves, I don't think anyone would think it's a feature?
Someone said that mission runners make a lot of money - this is completely illogical, as a suicide ganker can make more than the mission runner with much less effort.
Suicide Ganking is an intended feature. This is something that anyone who has been playing for long enough to have a faction pimped Tengu should know.
Apparently, the only person around here who has an IQ below 60 is you.
Obviously mish runners do make a lot of ISK otherwise you wouldn't have been flying that pimped out Tengu now would you?
As for the looting the wreck being a CONCORD offense. Sorta makes it difficult for people to help you out doesn't it? Besides the only reason you suggest it is because you lost your pimped out Tengu.
So let us do a quick review of the idiot checklist shall we?
Running mish in Motsu... check Flying ship with insane amounts of faction/ded modules... check Acting all suprised when this doesn't go well... check Crying about it in forums... check Fake, of course this was my fault beginning to OP... check Not taking responsiblity for your own stupidity and suggesting that the Game/Devs have overlooked something/made a mistake... check Ad Hominem attack on others disagreeing with you... check
Your doing pretty good so far. Perhaps you should stop posting and get back to mish running so you can replace all the stuff you lost.
Please read all the posts before commenting. I have addressed your concerns already. Thanks for trying.
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Otocinclus
Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini I don't think anyone has given a reason why Concord doesn't secure it's crime scenes?
Anyone want to give it a proper try?
Just because my motivation for this thread is obvious doesn't mean that my logic is wrong.
It's a video game. There is no crime scene. They aggressed your ship without corp/personal aggression. Their ship was destroyed. That's why concord is in the game, thats what they do. Concord isn't there to protect you, they're there to destroy the ships of those who they should/
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Buckfast Cherry
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:02:00 -
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Forgive me if I'm getting it all wrong here, but...
1. You got ganked before you could fire a shot, you now have kill rights on the killer. 2. The wreck of your ship is classed as your property, the person that took from it is now flagged as a thief and you have a 15 minute aggression window on them.
Man up and go exact some revenge on both, without concord intervention, and see if you can get some fiscal recompense from the wrecks of their ships instead of whining about it?
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Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:18:00 -
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Their alt gets the wreck within 30 seconds What is wrong with you people?
Accepting the status-quo regardless of the reality of the situation for the sole purpose of trying to look bad-ass on a forum.
95% of Eve players are men.... it's not worth the effort, seriously
*drinks more*
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:26:00 -
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Best way to avoid the high-sec griefbears is by going to 0.0 or Wormhole space.
A Tengu can handle WH space and 0.0 quite well. But doing lvl 4 missions in a T3 ship in highsec is just as bad as high sec ganking.
I consider this a "bear on bear" incident.
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Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Best way to avoid the high-sec griefbears is by going to 0.0 or Wormhole space.
A Tengu can handle WH space and 0.0 quite well. But doing lvl 4 missions in a T3 ship in highsec is just as bad as high sec ganking.
I consider this a "bear on bear" incident.
Although somewhat painful, this is actually a valid critique. The first one yet, thank you.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 12/09/2010 19:49:33
Originally by: Niccolo Paganini Their alt gets the wreck within 30 seconds What is wrong with you people?
Accepting the status-quo regardless of the reality of the situation for the sole purpose of trying to look bad-ass on a forum.
95% of Eve players are men.... it's not worth the effort, seriously
*drinks more*
Look at your post. Now back to mine. Now back at your post. Now back to mine. Sadly it isn't my post, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate posts, it could look like mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're scrolling through posts, writing the post your post could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again, the reply is diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post. I'm on a horse.
edit: I get to use this twice today! \o/ ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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Hypamania
Liberation Army
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:11:00 -
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u mad bro?
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Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:27:00 -
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There is a horse now?
WTF happened to this thread?
Am I hallucinating? I've only had 5 beers, a lot for me, but still
Maybe I should drink some water
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Xcen
Money-Talks
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:38:00 -
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I don't understand whats up with all this hate... i mean all he was doing was running missions (wha?)... he didnt afk... all he tryed to do was dock and he was killed before he could... thats pretty dumb mechanics in my eyes...
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Sharbaraz
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:50:00 -
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Linkage guessing this was yours?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xcen I don't understand whats up with all this hate... i mean all he was doing was running missions (wha?)... he didnt afk... all he tryed to do was dock and he was killed before he could... thats pretty dumb mechanics in my eyes...
Dead carebear best carebear. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
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Valoche Mrehl
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:26:00 -
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I like to think of Concord as American Police. They are LAW ENFORCEMENT. These are not unarmed brit peace keepers, or kiwi play-cops. They enforce laws w/ brutality and presense. They are not there to make amends if you do get hurt by a criminal.
Your situation: You got attacked. CONCORD law states that aggression in highsec without a wardec/killright is a killable offense. Your attacker got killed for his offense. CONCORD has enforced the law and done is done. It's not CONCORD's duty to protect your stuff or make amends for your loss.
As others have stated, it's not the security sec, but the location. How many people get ganked in jita every single day? How many tempests are sent to the void by CONCORD's law enforcement? Bears are not meant to be pack animals. Go find a system with <10 people in it and run your missions.
TL;DR You did it wrong. As one shepherd said to the other shepherd, lets get the flock outta here. Move systems and keep your expensive stuff alpha proof.
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ElJo123
Sons Of 0din The Strangers.
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
What doesn't make sense is that Concord then does nothing to defend the wreckage of the illaglly destroyed ship, which is, in effect, a crime scene.
Concord should therefore protect that wreckage from collection by the pilot who destroyed the ship illegally or any other pilot looking to scavenge - Otherwise it is, through inaction encouraging illegal destruction of missions runner's ships.
It's a fun idea actually. Wreck contents could go into evidence if not picked up right away. To be realistic, it would be released about 6-12 months later (or lost in the system) depending on the outcome of the respective investigation -- say the 'victim' had (concealed) CalNavy launchers fitted; this alone should rise serious questions concerning whether the attacker wasn't merely acting in self defense?
Of course, there'd be the necessity of a fair trial with (hilariously overpaid) lawyers arguing the Chewbacca defense...
k mebbe not that fun
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Xcen I don't understand whats up with all this hate... i mean all he was doing was running missions (wha?)... he didnt afk... all he tryed to do was dock and he was killed before he could... thats pretty dumb mechanics in my eyes...
hate is main course in this game ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Xcen I don't understand whats up with all this hate... i mean all he was doing was running missions (wha?)... he didnt afk... all he tryed to do was dock and he was killed before he could... thats pretty dumb mechanics in my eyes...
hate is main course in this game
Indeed it is, and whilst that might be expected in a world which when compared to our own is almost completely lawless, it is still quite depressing.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Xcen I don't understand whats up with all this hate... i mean all he was doing was running missions (wha?)... he didnt afk... all he tryed to do was dock and he was killed before he could... thats pretty dumb mechanics in my eyes...
hate is main course in this game
Indeed it is, and whilst that might be expected in a world which when compared to our own is almost completely lawless, it is still quite depressing.
with time you either get used to it and start hating everyone, or you leave.
I, as you may have already noticed, managed to get along with everyone by hating them, which is actually a good thing, since hating everyone equally is actually anti-racist, since I hate everyone equally. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:09:00 -
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You might think it's dissapointing to loose your tengu, but just think of the joy that suicider got when his alt/friend looted your wreck.
This thread is selfish. Good day sir.
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Niccolo Paganini
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan You might think it's dissapointing to loose your tengu, but just think of the joy that suicider got when his alt/friend looted your wreck.
This thread is selfish. Good day sir.
Your point has already been rendered worthless by relative comparison of the mission runner and the ganker, but thanks for trying.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:28:00 -
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I was just smoking some weed when I realized... you lost a Tengu in a system where concord spawns in 2 seconds.
You know nothing about Tengus!!!! Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Salria Usenheart
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Salria Usenheart on 12/09/2010 22:49:04 Edited by: Salria Usenheart on 12/09/2010 22:48:15 Its the ability to negate the sec status loss thats the issue not the action itself, criminal actions with the use of multiple accounts to always be active with a suicide ship even while fixing sec on other characters that means there is little or no downtime to this kind of play.
Unfortunately theres no fix to that, and never will be, unless ccp impliment a time delay before you can rise again in sec status, but i seriously doubt that will ever happen.
(yeah yeah response to a troll, but at least the issue itself is relevant even if the op isnt)
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Brannor McThife
Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:23:00 -
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I agree with everyone that there is no safe space. It's how I play... even in my not-so-expensive Tengu, I'm still wary whenever I got near Jita. My mods aren't worth that much, but you never know.
However, I do agree that Concorde as just a executioner is pretty stupid. Yes, suicide ganking is part of the game, but seriously, "cops" just standing by and not doing anything about evidence? Meh.
At the same time, if Concorde were to "protect" your loot in some way (tractor it...deliver it to a Concorde station - require payment to release, etc. then Suicide ganking would disappear... and that's not right either.
So... should you be able to take out module insurance? Or... some form of Hisec module insurance where an NPC swoops in and grabs your can if you're in Hisec, but then, it has a very high premium, and it expires instantly, i.e. the ship pops, and even if just 1 mod drops, that's it for your insurance.
Dunno...but Concorde are nothing more than OP drones at present. :P
-G
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:30:00 -
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Maybe because you have very crappy ehp? Did you even have your hardeners on?
Maybe more faction mods would help you xD
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: I likegirls Maybe because you have very crappy ehp? Did you even have your hardeners on?
Maybe more faction mods would help you xD
my guess is that they prefer to use the amp node sub (less EHP, moar shield boost) instead of the supplemental screen (oodles of EHP), thus low shields, lots of resists. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife Edited by: Brannor McThife on 12/09/2010 23:30:21 Edited by: Brannor McThife on 12/09/2010 23:26:38 I agree with everyone that there is no safe space. It's how I play... even in my not-so-expensive Tengu, I'm still wary whenever I got near Jita. My mods aren't worth that much, but you never know.
However, I do agree that Concorde as just a executioner is pretty stupid. Yes, suicide ganking is part of the game, but seriously, "cops" just standing by and not doing anything about evidence? Meh.
At the same time, if Concorde were to "protect" your loot in some way (tractor it...deliver it to a Concorde station - require payment to release, etc. then Suicide ganking would disappear... and that's not right either.
So... should you be able to take out module insurance? Or... some form of Hisec module insurance where an NPC swoops in and grabs your can if you're in Hisec, but then, it has a very high premium, and it expires instantly, i.e. the ship pops, and even if just 1 mod drops, that's it for your insurance.
Dunno...but Concorde are nothing more than OP drones at present. :P
-G
PS. Wow... from Battleclinic, it seems Motsu is a BAAAAD place to fly Tengu's... they're being targeted quite a bit there.
EDIT(2): OMG... These guys are raking in billions of ISK at Motsu ganking Tengu's... They're losing maybe 100mil, and scoring hundreds of mil each kill...
See this:
Originally by: Goose99 If you see lots of gankers loitering at undock port, consider hanging around with a cheap dessie fitted for cargo room. When they gank, burn at the target and loot wreck as soon as it's down. Always an easy source of income. I do it whenever opportunities arise.
You get no ship loss, no sec hit, no killright, only 15 min of carebear aggro for looting. Very profitable. Instead of whinning about loophole, take advantage of said loophole and exploit the exploiters.
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: I likegirls Maybe because you have very crappy ehp? Did you even have your hardeners on?
Maybe more faction mods would help you xD
my guess is that they prefer to use the amp node sub (less EHP, moar shield boost) instead of the supplemental screen (oodles of EHP), thus low shields, lots of resists.
His tank wasn't anything special. He had 2 explosive hardeners, an invul, deadspace medium booster, and then cap recharge mods.
Killed in 1 volley since it was 1400's in a .9... The Apoc did nearly 9k damage shown on kill mail.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
Originally by: Irae Ragwan You might think it's dissapointing to loose your tengu, but just think of the joy that suicider got when his alt/friend looted your wreck.
This thread is selfish. Good day sir.
Your point has already been rendered worthless by relative comparison of the mission runner and the ganker, but thanks for trying.
Who was the mission runner here? You weren't killed in a mission pocket. Therefor, you were not in-fact a mission runner, but a PVP'er who was cleverly baiting using an over-priced ship in Motsu!
So, the question is now: Why aren't you proud of your accomplishment? Clearly you got what you were asking for.
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