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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2010.08.23 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Merdaneth on 23/08/2010 07:34:17
Originally by: AfroHorse Just wondering what people's opinions on self destructing in pvp is. Basically we have had 2 carriers so far self destructing before we were able to kill them so was just wondering if anyone else felt this should change?
If one cannot self-destruct while under fire before one is destroyed, then what is the point of self-destructing?
Also, you did kill them unless you think they would have pushed the self-destruct button without you....
Killmails are just a piece of text. If you really want one, I can send you one if another carrier self-destructs.
Loot... ah well, that's unfortunate, maybe try a ransom next time? ____
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchus Dionysus killmails provide a picture of pilot/corp/alliance efficiency - kill more isk value than you lose - which is the true measure of pvp quality in eve.
The true measure of PvP? Your kill ratio in isk? Are you serious? Some guy who gets in on a titan killmail with his noob ship is a god of PvP in EVE? I see a large positive kill ratio more as an indication of a pilot who is too scared to take risks.
Originally by: Bacchus Dionysus self-destruct deprives the eve community of the only useful pvp metric that we have because it (1) allows certain players to hide losses, camouflaging their true ability (also reducing lawls), and, (2) it distorts killboard efficiency, especially in cases where ships were lost before the carrier, etc., self-destructed.
A. it is not a good PvP metric B. the information is not lost, it can still be reported. I guess people don't trust their members to report kills correctly? C. Killboard efficiency is nonsense anyway. I never see anyone complain about distortions due to sharing of kills with other parties. And surely that distortion is several magnitudes larger than a few self-destructs here and there.
Just come out and say you want a CCP authorized and approved epeen measurement: 'look ma, I'm at no. 1 on this weeks list!' and don't get all serious about PvP metrics. ____
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2010.08.27 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchus Dionysus
edit: rereading and thinking about this, it's important to note that for me kb stats are not so much about epeen stroking as they are about evaluating your own (alliance/corp/pilot) success and having the tools to quantify improvements or identify systemic failures.
Many people say this. Although nobody asks to divide the 'kills' and the 'isk' by the number of pilots on the killmail. Most look more at their isk efficiency and number of kills than look at a weighted point system. Racking up high scores is what interests most people in killboards, not actual tools, or such tools and good stats would be hugely more popular. It doesn't take a genius to note that giving 40 people 1 kill each when they shoot someone is not the same as a single pilot getting one kill when he shoots the same ship solo. It is not hard to work such a thing into KB software.
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