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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 09:55:00 -
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Assuming they kept advancing we would be like ants or barbarians to them. We might not even recognise them as Human.
Basically if they didn't have a dark age and have to rebuild from scratch they would be well around 20,000 years more advance then us. Think about today and how only 2,000 years it's a massive difference.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 11:47:00 -
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We have no evidence the New Eden problem was linked to the other side. The wormhole closed 60years before the new Eden star gates all stopped working and storms started. We dont even know if the problem started at New Eden as all the gates where hit at the same time.
That as Freyda said most of our problems was the colony's are new and not self sustained. Even if the Earth empire was effected they should have recovered fast. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 16:49:00 -
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Wyke Mossari said " There is no evidence Sol survived. The most logical assumption is that the Sol system suffered the same fate as the New Eden system did, and had all it's planets destroyed when the Eve Gate Wormhole collapsed." But the Eve gate wormhole collapse had zero impact on us on the this side. Why would it have been a problem on their side? Is was not the wormhole collapse that caused problems it was a different event 70years after the wormhole collapsed that caused all the problems.
Wyke Mossari said " There is no evidence Sol survived. The most logical assumption is that the Sol system suffered the same fate as the New Eden system did, and had all it's planets destroyed when the Eve Gate Wormhole collapsed." For all we know Sol was 10,000 light years away from thewormhole. There is zero indication the wormhole was anywhere near Sol and that Sol had its planets destroyed. In fact logically the wormhole would have been far away from Sol in the outer unexplored areas of space.
Wyke Mossari said " They can only advance if they survived and if they advanced there should be evidence of their presence. There is no evidence of that which leaves us with a corollary of the Fermi paradox." Space is big, they could have survived and have been 1000 galaxy's away from us or much futher. There is a massive difference between the two sides. New Eden had young under 70year old colony's without fully terraformed planets, without self sustained or base infrastructure.
The Earth side of the wormhole was a 4000+ year old space empire in its golden age where it had been hinted they had colonised the whole galaxy. The planets in that timeframe would have been terraformed and had self sustained ability and base infrastructure built up, infrastructure to manufacture without Earth unlike New Eden. After 4000 years I don't think the planets where all reliant on Earth. Perhaps somewhere but a vast 4000 year old empire would not all be all reliant on one planet.
Wyke Mossari said " That is a lot more reasonable that the blind faith that it miraculously survived." It's a logical assumption that a 4000 year empire is going to expand outwards in even directions. It's a logical assumption the wormhole found after 4000+ years was towards the outer less explored areas of the empire, not in the well established, well explored centre of the empire. It's not blind faith, you idea means the wormhole explosions on the Earth side pretty much wiped out a whole galaxy, destroyed a very large sized 4000 year space empire.
I assume you are unaware that the Earth empire was 4000+ years old with many well established colony's over a vast area of space.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:39:00 -
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The Sleepers and Jovian's are not x10 or more times advance then us. Going by performance I would call them barely more advance then us, only by a few years now. We have been backwards engineering tech for a while and in recent years pushed forward a fair bit. I would even go as far to say our T3 cruisers are more advance then all known Jove cruisers.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:58:00 -
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To quote the manual and the older websites. "This portal held endless possibilities of a new beginning for civilization, and was hence dubbed EVE.ö Lured by the promise of free settlements, entrepreneurs and independent organizations poured through the wormhole to stake their claims in this new land."
"Scientists warned that the wormhole would close again within a few decades. Racing against time, construction began on a manmade portal to allow safe passage between the home system and EVE. A World Beyond Worlds Suddenly, the scientistsĘ worst fears were realized and the wormhole closed. Nonetheless, construction continued and the gates of EVE opened and operated perfectly for seven decades. Disaster struck once again. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed the Gates of EVE, rendering them inoperable. Restoration efforts proved futile due to the malevolent magnetic storm perpetually surrounding the gates. The results were swift and devastating."
Wyke Mossari said " it colonised but caused a land rush from harsh environments like Tau Ceti." I have been digging around and I cannot find any reference to harsh environments from Tau Ceti. I did find " The second planet in the VH-451 system is bought by people from the Tau Ceti system". you are right the planets in New eden got destroyed. The land rush you talked about was a land rush into the systems of New Eden not just the Eve system.
Wyke Mossari said "It used to be cannon that the wormhole was in the Sol system and was discovered in the way Newton discovered gravity or Einstein discovered relativity, not the way Columbus discovered America. That might be retcon now, but unless I see some evidence of this I going to assume it remains true." Are you sure you are not confusing some other game? I cannot find any evidence of this even on old snapshots of the website from 2002, 2003 and 2004. Check out the timeline
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Timeline the wormhole was found 5257 years after sol was fully colonized, although the manual ways the Earth empire is over 4000 years old when the wormhole is found. I guess the manual starts counting from a later date after planets outside sol are colonised. Either way the wormhole was found many years after Earth had a space empire.
I did find on old versions of the website " Things took an unexpected turn for the better, however, with the discovery of a natural wormhole near the system of Canopus." http://web.archive.org/web/20040617193904/www.eve-online.com/background/eve.asp this page was lost when the website had its new design to the current one. It was active on the last website design and the design before that. I assume it's still valid lore. A large part of this is also in the Eve manual. This page also mentions the disaster that happened 70years after the wormhole shut and effect all the Eve gate just like the Eve manual from the box.
If the wormhole is near Canopus then the wormhole is an estimated 310 light years (96 parsecs) from our solar system.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:05:00 -
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Wyke Mossari said " While it is possible civilisations in the Milky Way survived the cataclysm, in the way the Jove/Ancients apparently survived it." I dont agree. The Milky Way would not need to survive the way the Jove survived.
" As most of the colonies had only been settled a few years or decades previously, very few of them were self-sufficient. One by one they died out, killed off by a lack of oxygen, water and food. The few who survived slowly lost their knowledge and hi-tech industries, because they lacked the tools to replenish and maintain them.."
A 4000+ year space empire would not be in this state. 1000's of colonies had been settled for a very long time some for 100's or 1000's of years. They would be self-sufficient and able to reproduce tools to maintain hi-tech industries.
100+ or 1000+ year old colony's would not be in the state Jove and others where in the New eden side. The colony's on the milky way side would have way more base infrastructure and be self sustainable due to years of colonisation. The Mikly way Earth empire was not full of young small new colony's without infrastructure. Why would the Earth colonies suffer the same problems as New Eden? The Earth empire is to large and to many well established colony's to suffer the same fate as New Eden. The only way I can imagine the Earth empire died out if is the whole galaxy blow up.
Wyke Mossari said " Terrans still exist as an advanced civilisation, evidence of their continued existence would be present" Why? Terreans where stuck unable to get any further with current star gate technology suggesting they were stuck in their own galaxy. Even if they got further to other galaxy's. The diameter of a typical galaxy is 30,000 light-years, our two neighboring galaxies are 3 million light-years away. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the universe with a galaxy being able to have over 1 trillion solar systems with many planets per solar system.
Trying to find our small patch of kspace in the universe is not trying to find a needle in a haystack. It's trying to find an atom of a needle in a haystack. I see no reason giving the size of space why there would still be Terran existence.
20,000 years is hardly enough time to search 5 galaxies let alone 100 billion galaxies.
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