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Aesheera
Amarr Aces -N- Eights
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:26:00 -
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Hereby confirming this mans mission strengths have me impressed. ***
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Cearain
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:17:00 -
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For some reason I can not see the spread sheets or images in the op.
I think its fine to use a courier service to move goods. Just make sure the time to arange the service and cost of the service is included. But what happens after they move your stuff to the trade hub? Are you always selling in the same region so you can just put the stuff up for sale remotely? Also do you then check on the prices? How often do you check the prices to sell the stuff there? How much time does that take? Again I'm sorry if this is in the spread sheet - I can't access it. I have trader alts in many of the main hubs. But just to log them in and out and check through their orders can take about a half hour each time I do it.
You say "I earn approximately 550m (500m-150m from store item, and 200 of pure isk) in 6-7 hours." 200 million of "pure isk"? Do you mean bounties and rewards alone comes to 200 million? You are not calling loot or salvage that you then have to take to the market and sell "pure isk" are you? Again sorry if this is in the pics or spread sheet but I can't access them.
You say "All mission completion times is from Time completion of mission before mission X, until Time of completion of mission X, taken from the wallet journal" I'm not sure I follow how this is possible. Are you saying you did all the missions in one gaming session? If not then I wonder if you might have gotten a bad mission decided to decline it and then just chose to end that session then. Did you use multiple agents if so did you include the travel time to the different agents? -Cearain
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Brother PodKiller
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain questions
Everyone of your questions has been answered (some more than once) in this thread. I know it is now 9 pages long, but if you just skip to the parts written by the OP you'll find your answers pretty quickly.
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Cearain
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.26 19:19:00 -
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No most of my questions were not answered in the thread. There was some info on how he sells the loot that I missed though.
Originally by: Frozean Edited by: Frozean on 15/08/2010 13:31:52 I just buy using remote trading skills in Jita or Rens. Then after i have around 500m-1b worth of tags, ill use courrier contracts to bring the items to me.
You also use courrier contracts to bring the LP store items to the market hubs, and use remote contracting / remote daytrading to sell your items while still missioning.
I would still like to know the other things I asked about. But this raises some other questions. All your loot gets dumped at jita or rens. Is there any way you can repackage or stack it so that it is sold remotely? Or do you stack it before it goes and then it remains stacked the whole time?
And then you say you do the selling while you are missioning? Based on your mission times it seems you are getting new targets pretty fast during your missions. When do you find the time to adjust your orders û while you are in warp? How many sell orders do you have to go through while you are missioning? I assume you refine most of the loot, but still like you say you get allot of crap doing high sec missions. How many active sell orders do you have at any given time?
-Cearain
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
I would still like to know the other things I asked about. But this raises some other questions. All your loot gets dumped at jita or rens. Is there any way you can repackage or stack it so that it is sold remotely? Or do you stack it before it goes and then it remains stacked the whole time?
It seems like as long as it was contracted stacked that it would be stacked coming back out. Then just remote sell as long as you're in the region right? I personally keep a market alt in those systems.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.26 21:53:00 -
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If you are near Jita, always always sell your loot manually instead of reprocessing. In my experience, midway between lowest WTS and highest WTB, no matter what item, will dissapear very fast (you know it, cuz its at 0.00% region price).
My last 800K m3 of loot yield me something between 3B-4B of isk worth of stuff (i dont pick low isk/M3 stuff, only mods, which seems useful to someone).
At the rate i pick, the golem can generate 12 K m3 - 24 K m3 of modules everyday, so dont underestimate the loot at all, you will be very surprised how much extra money loot can generate. Even in a tengu, keep burning towards large wrecks and dont ignore stuffs.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 27/08/2010 00:40:28 Okay. someone mailed me about imperial navy EANM's, and why i dont farm them anymore.
There are a couple of reasons why i dont like farming in Amarr space
Firstly Blood raider and sansha missions generally yield much less LP in their missions. A Q18-20, system 0.6-0.7 caldari/minmatar missions like pirate invasion, massive attack, slave trader, and angel missions of the same name in general, yields almost 30-40% more LP then a same agent of the same quality.
Now what does this means? well, As a first, although you forcast 3K isk/LP exchange, because you earn less LP in general, you end up around the same as 2.1-2.3K isk/LP.
Secondly, EM-thermal is a very weak point for shields. Both tengu and Golem cant 3-slot-tank EM damage, they are forced to tank with 4-slots (or even 5 if your shield skills are low). This is quite a huge disadvantage, as you need all the slots you can for painters.
Thirdly, the Amarr science store is in the edge of the constelation. That means, you will be oftenly thrown 2 jumps+ to your mission , and this is very very bad.
Now the final part is, that particular "good Q/A" Hub is also in a high sec island. Some say its trivial, but when you are stuck with 860,000m3 of loot worth billions in a high sec island, you know you have just gimped yourself a lot.
This also means you have to haul yourself , your loot/salvage, and your own logistics. Because your only alternative is Jump freighting, which might cost you 200 million isk 2-ways, not even including hauling to the nearest market hubs.
Thats what i think anyways. Some people might think otherwise? I really dont like missioning in Amarr.
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Cearain
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.27 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cearain
I would still like to know the other things I asked about. But this raises some other questions. All your loot gets dumped at jita or rens. Is there any way you can repackage or stack it so that it is sold remotely? Or do you stack it before it goes and then it remains stacked the whole time?
It seems like as long as it was contracted stacked that it would be stacked coming back out. Then just remote sell as long as you're in the region right? I personally keep a market alt in those systems.
-Liang
I too have some trader alts in the major hubs. But by the time I log in and out and check prices on each I find that about a good 20 -30 minutes goes by just checking 2 alts. I have about 15 orders for each to check. IÆm thinking that if I really tried to sell all meta 3-4 loot I acquired doing level 4s I would have a ton of orders to check on. Selling off all that crap seems like pretty miserable work. Even if I limited it to the meta 4 stuff. Jita I generally check my alt for what she sells about 2xs a day and he is almost always buried under other sell orders when I check. It makes my neck hurt just thinking about it.
ThatÆs why I asked if he was getting ôpure iskö in that 200 million figure. Null sec seems to give you that sweet sweet pure isk in the bounties. High sec gives you isk that you need to pry out of lots and lots crap.
IÆm currently blitzing some missions just for the standings. Normally I would check the wrecks for meta 4 loot. But with the recent price drops on decent loot, IÆm wondering if I should even check the wrecks.
-Cearain
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.27 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
I too have some trader alts in the major hubs. But by the time I log in and out and check prices on each I find that about a good 20 -30 minutes goes by just checking 2 alts. I have about 15 orders for each to check. IÆm thinking that if I really tried to sell all meta 3-4 loot I acquired doing level 4s I would have a ton of orders to check on. Selling off all that crap seems like pretty miserable work. Even if I limited it to the meta 4 stuff. Jita I generally check my alt for what she sells about 2xs a day and he is almost always buried under other sell orders when I check. It makes my neck hurt just thinking about it.
ThatÆs why I asked if he was getting ôpure iskö in that 200 million figure. Null sec seems to give you that sweet sweet pure isk in the bounties. High sec gives you isk that you need to pry out of lots and lots crap.
IÆm currently blitzing some missions just for the standings. Normally I would check the wrecks for meta 4 loot. But with the recent price drops on decent loot, IÆm wondering if I should even check the wrecks.
1. If you hate checking across regions, just use jita. 2. Put your trade alt(s) there and get the max number of sell orders possible for you avalible. 3. Load up your days meta4 loot into a courier when you finish missioning and send it to jita (or contract it to a hauler alt, which im too lazy to use). 4. Place sell orders when items arrive.
This is ofc, going to cost you a few isk, but haulers work for next to nothing. I've never had issues getting things to jita in this fasion.
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Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2010.08.27 08:10:00 -
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Work 1h in RL, buy 1 plex, sell, 300m ISK/hour, beat this. me |
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Freeqa
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Posted - 2010.08.27 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Samuel Wess Work 1h in RL, buy 1 plex, sell, 300m ISK/hour, beat this.
Yeah of course, if you earn something like 14Ç/hour net ... not the case of everyone ...
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 10:09:00 -
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haha. if you earn RM80 per hour in malaysia, you probably can have 4 wives, 2 bungalows with swimming pool by the sea side, and own a company or two by the time you are 90 years old.
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Prince Deimos
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
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Posted - 2010.08.27 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger haha. if you earn RM80 per hour in malaysia, you probably can have 4 wives, 2 bungalows with swimming pool by the sea side, and own a company or two by the time you are 90 years old.
Good thing your an undocumented immigrant living in Coventry or wherever you claim to be from today...
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:36:00 -
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Life was good in the UK. My scholarship for studying was ú800 a month, poor as a Uk citizen (or permenant resident), but its still more then my starting wage as an FA.
Kinda ironic tbh, but then again living there was pretty expensive. And we still have to cut corners.
Cant imagine how tight it was for scholars in London though. Although i went there once in a while, i confirm that it was hella expensive. (ú180 bus transport/year vs. ú85 monthly oyster? cant comprehend!)
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Cearain
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.27 13:53:00 -
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Irae Ragwan
I have the alts in different hubs doing actual trading for isk. But I do agree that would be a good idea for mission loot. Does your loot sell pretty well without having to mess with it by changing the price allot? How many order do you have at any given time, and how often do you modify your orders?
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 15:09:00 -
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Depends where. im ussualy near to rens/dodixie/hek/jita missioning.
That means, i can modify it while missioning using the quick market bar.
Ussualy, at 0.00% region price, almost any item will dissapear very fast. But as usual, if its meta 3/4 of almost ANY item, just put it closer to the lowest WTS and group them under different and it will sell eventually (hint: u wont get much of them)
My skills allow 5+9+5 contracts, and abit over 50 market orders (either buy tags or sell loot) adjust daytrading/procurement/marketing accordingly
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 27/08/2010 16:45:59
Originally by: Cearain Irae Ragwan
I have the alts in different hubs doing actual trading for isk. But I do agree that would be a good idea for mission loot. Does your loot sell pretty well without having to mess with it by changing the price allot? How many order do you have at any given time, and how often do you modify your orders?
I set orders once a day and modify any orders that have not sold from the previous day. I tend to price things so that they'll sell, which doesn't net me as big a margin as a more hands-on trader would get, but I have no issues keeping my orders flowing. I have yet to cap my trader out on orders due to slow turnover in Jita, although in the past this happened to me when doing a similar thing in Amarr/Rens. When I was operating in higher-profit/lower-turnover markets I often checked and modified orders 3-4 times a day, but I personally do not enjoy doing that and make a tidy profit without all the hassle by condolidating in Jita.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:51:00 -
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Correct. A price between lowest WTS and highest WTB (like literally between) disappears very quickly, if you really want liquidity.
So given that you are going to do, earn fast or earn much, you give a different approach in selling your stuffs.
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2010.08.30 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: JonnyRandom on 30/08/2010 02:12:26 .
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Ydra Ko'Zyn
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Posted - 2010.09.01 01:05:00 -
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So inorder to be this effective at missions using the Golem is everyone using multi billion isk deadspace fittings? It seems almost impossible to fit 2-3 tps and an AB along with T2 tank strong enough to hold off the dps. Target Painters and AB are a must if you want to single shot BC/triple shoot Battleships.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.09.01 07:37:00 -
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Lo, I've been a little awol for weeks and this thread is interesting. The amount of noise & trolls is unbelievable.
To Frozean/Moose Burger, it's not wise to divulge private details on the internet forums, even though you think it's harmless without specifics. They are folks that are good with social engineering skills that drag these things out of you from a seemingly inocuous discussion/forum post.
The information you littered in this thread about yourself allowed me to form a picture, which tells me a lot of things.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:05:00 -
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i dont mind people knowing where im from ;P i love this thread.
I wanted to updated my new benchmark of 120m isk/hour and 95m real isk/hour, but my laptop wiped out and i lost my excel on it. and im lazy to make another one
i think with the calculation of 3.75K isk/lp, it is easily 180-250m isk/hour. Just im too lazy to fight for the details.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 01/09/2010 11:19:36
Originally by: Moose Burger <Amarr mission - reasonings>
Thats what i think anyways. Some people might think otherwise? I really dont like missioning in Amarr.
Interesting reasonings.
1. On a level comparison, I'm highly skeptical (at this point in time) that different faction agents of the same quality and system sec level differs in LP reward by as much as 30-40%. If this is happening, then imo, it's a bug that needs to be fixed as per what had been done with the courier missions (which was heavily exploited). I do both L4 Caldari/Amarr missions and have not noticed any significant (to the tune 30-40%) variations in terms of LP for the same/similar missions ... but this was a few months back. Do you have any data sets?
2. Valid observation, but it depends on your definition of the slot. Amarr missions need a minimum 3-slot hardeners, with 4-slot hardeners being the most optimal for shield tankers. Shield booster does not go into that count. Anything less, you'll have a huge gaping hole that'll cost considerable cap to boost. It's fine for perma-run setups, but not std setups.
In most missions however, it's really a non-issue and putting it as a major reason is probably an overstatement. The secondary factor that many people miss stating is the NPC ewar, and heh ok .. Minmatar has the best NPC ewar out of the lot. Their TPs aren't real dps disablers as opposed to TD, SD and Jamming.
3. Correct on both counts. The Aphend agent isn't worth doing anymore after they patched up the L5 agent missions. Despite the vastness that is Amarr space, there have only 2 NPC corps worth doing if you're trying to maximize your LP for L4 in high-sec.
If you're playing purely for L4 missioning (with/without dedicated missioning char) and prefer to maximize your isk/hr by going hardcore (at the risk of saturating the market), then Caldari/Minmatar would be the obvious first choices. That, I'll agree. However, if it's on/off thing, just about anywhere will suit you fine. I personally prefer Amarr due to various strategic reasons of my own.
Originally by: Moose Burger
i dont mind people knowing where im from ;P i love this thread.
You have a lot to learn my young padawan. Fine, as you wish.
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Prince Deimos
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger i dont mind people knowing where im from ;P i love this thread.
I wanted to updated my new benchmark of 120m isk/hour and 95m real isk/hour, but my laptop wiped out and i lost my excel on it. and im lazy to make another one
i think with the calculation of 3.75K isk/lp, it is easily 180-250m isk/hour. Just im too lazy to fight for the details.
Depends on what your definition of the word is is right?
Whatever Troll
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:56:00 -
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Quote: I wanted to updated my new benchmark of 120m isk/hour and 95m real isk/hour, but my laptop wiped out and i lost my excel on it. and im lazy to make another one
You are so full of **** your eyes are brown. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:26:00 -
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guess ill remake the spreadsheet this weekend. Need to find my Original copy of microsoft office.
Wont be much of a work cuz i can make it consistently. Actually, if you flip in 3.7K isk/LP in the spreadsheet of the first page, you get 180+m isk/hour no problem.
Cept I guess i rather keep the market to the few who farms them. ;)
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Jack Simple
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:53:00 -
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Just for kicks, I compared the OP's results to mine. I run a CNR with 5/5/5/4 social skills. I also used his 2k isk/lp figure. I ran out of Vir Honn.
Worlds Collide19772192 Vengeance25803079 Rogue Slave Trade1/26812235 Rogue Slave Trade2/271716218 Recon 1/391492297 Pirate Invasion1111812188 Angel Spies679580 Gone berserk811110103 Stop the Thief5943152 Smash the Supply71415257
Our completion times were pretty similar -- I was a bit slower in combat missions but I seem to want to blitz more (and CNR is probably better at blitzing than the golem anyhow). My isk/hour was significantly higher, however, so I am assuming OP doesn't have very good social skills.
FYI, I use 1250 isk/lp as my figure and I average about 90 mil an hour, with very selective missions (I only run the best and I refuse missions that are >1 jump away).
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:03:00 -
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CNR is a very good ship :)
But i use Tengu because its better, mostly because it warps and allign faster. Most of my timings are "95%-i-can-get" timings
for example, stop the thief can be completed in even 3-4 minutes. But im 95% guaranteed to hand in the mission in 5 minutes. I hate arguing about insignificant stuff like this, thats why i took generously bad numbers.
For example, now ive mechanically improved my timings consistency by using AB and bane torps. A simple example on how mechanical gaming can improve mission times is
Blockade = 100% doable in 11 minutes, ignoring second final spawns 4 battleships. Sometimes finished in 9-10 minutes
Angel Extravaganza = 100% doable in 19-20 minutes. very consistent.
and some other minor improvements simply by choosing targets correctly and abusing bane /faction missiles at the correct timings.
But as i said. CNR is definitely one of the top mission runners. Its an incredibly good ship.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.05 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 05/09/2010 09:24:15 sorry edited out -.-
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:42:00 -
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bumping this up for a buddy
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