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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.18 09:03:00 -
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Search for "mike's tengu fit".
around the same. cept i have 2 TP, and gravitational capacitor instead of fuel catalyst (10% slower AB, but 40% higher warp speed)
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.18 10:12:00 -
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So, ones makes ISK with missions, damn. Stop whining. |
Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Frozean on 18/08/2010 12:52:06 battleclinic is down ;(
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean Edited by: Frozean on 18/08/2010 12:52:06 battleclinic is down ;(
You've accumulated at least 140 of the good CN and RF faction items? Damn man. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum.
That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face. |
Xela Dioved
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: King Aires
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Ydra Ko'Zyn So RF is a player run service? If so how can this service be used in the calculation?
Red Frog is a player corporation that does transport jobs. You pay their fee and they move your goods for you. Go back and (re?)-read Frozean's posts where he accounts for their fee.
While I applaud the OP for using this service to further his goals, I have to agree that by using another player to haul things for him he is no longer making said isk SOLO. It may not be the technical definition of dual-boxing but it is clearly not a solo activity if he is using other players for hauling is most lucrative source of income.
Sir, you have awesome selfbull****ting skills. The fat lady just sang, go home. |
Tyfuz
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar The raw isk/LP amounts are very reasonable as is the completion time. However this is still hugely exaggerated. This is due to two problems. First of all is travel time. Maybe you've found some unused agent but every agent I've used since the recent mission changes send me at least 1 jump away. That's 2 minutes round trip of travel time assuming I'm in a shuttle, which I'm probably not unless it's recon.
The second problem is the way missions are pulled. Some are heavily favored over others. I haven't gotten blockade in at least 6 months on either of my characters. But I get unauthorized military presence about 25% of the time (long term average). I'll agree that if I got blockade all the time, it would be 100M isk/hr. But I get military presence, which is about 20M/hr.
Your claim would be like me claiming I make 876M isk/hr because many lvl5's take me a whole of 5 minutes to run. The simple reality is that if I go and run lvl5's, I'm maybe 200-300M isk richer after 1.5-2 hours. I may have completed one in 5 minutes but odds are I got stuck chewing on the next two or three for 45 minutes each.
I agree with this guy.
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TehFailGuy
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: sasabor I have some doubts about all these numbers you people turn up, in a few hours of missions i am lucky to have 20 to 25 mil without loot and salvage, that is if i get the good missions, but then again EVE isn't about making the most Isk/ per hour (personal opinion ) so my question OP you still have fun playing this game
Flying what ship and with what skills? Are you counting the LP that you earn in that time? LP can be very profitable if you spend it well.
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Frozean on 18/08/2010 13:44:13 Actually, if you look at it properly, i didnt take the average of all missions as my average isk/hour.
I took the Weighted average isk/hour
For example. For the sake of simplicity, there is
The assault 200m isk/hour 5 minutes Lick my car 1m isk/hour 50 minutes.
So if my mission set is
The assault-lick me- the assault, The weighted average gives me [ (200)*5 + (1)* 50 + (200)*5 ] / 60 2050/60 m isk/hour
and NOT Normal average [200+1+200]/3 = 401/3 isk/hour = 8020/60 isk/hour > 2050/60
Yes, my assumption is all missions are given at the same rate, but even personally running the same missions over and over again for hundreds of millions of LP, I find almost no missions having "easier chances to get" then the other.
For example, at days i will get 3-4 blockades in a row (rejected missions in between cuz it was faction),
at days i get 5-6 faction missions in a row literally
and at days i dont reject a single mission.
Which leads me to believe, as long as its encounter, its pretty much equally distributed (uniform distribution)
P.s UMP is DEFINITELY not 25% and i can convince myself easily. I started missioning with minmatar with 40 militants. Every "smuggling interception" i get +10 militants Every "UMP" i snipe and lose -10 militants (because i snipe)
Today, i have 140 militants. That means i get 10 more smuggling interceptions then UMP
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Salvage Contractor
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Posted - 2010.08.19 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja still does not out do solo sanctums in upgraded systems.. 100m an hour with ONE account.
Please provide a list of systems in which you can continuously solo sanctums without having to put up with constant competition for the sites as well as whining and moaning and all associated drama that goes along with it.
Sure you can call the op out on theorycraft but the 100mil solo sanctums are equally just "in theory" since you will not be able to find solo sanctums whenever you want to spend your time on PvE. |
HottyChick
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Posted - 2010.08.19 11:50:00 -
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Its all big mambo jumbo. What Author of the topic is assuming is that he is getting best highest LP/h missions which is not the case, its impossible to get those best rewards mission only, you always get the crappy ones too and yes i know u can use few agents ect ect. Still running sanctums bring definately more steady and insta income, not mention escalations.
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.19 11:56:00 -
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2 is the minimum acceptable LP exchange rate by me. most of the time, it is more then that.
Very frequent mission runners would probably know, that with my mission timings, i could easily garner more then 120m real isk/hour, with the correct LP store choices.
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Salvage Contractor
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: HottyChick Still running sanctums bring definately more steady and insta income, not mention escalations.
Sanctums are far from steady, friendly competition and hostile cloakers are the two main issues that prevent most everyone from running sanctums solo whenever they please. Missions on the other hand are always available at zero risk to the runner. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Salvage Contractor HIGH SECMissions on the other hand are always available at zero low risk to the runner.
FYP. ;-) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
Red Frog Investments
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:17:00 -
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I wouldn't normally post in this thread, but since Red Frog is mentioned so many times, I thought maybe I would provide a link to our thread.
Thanks Red Frog thread In game, join channel: RF Freight |
Jessica Fyers
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Moris Flock all the nay sayers Frozean. People are unwilling to accept something from another that they themselves are incapable of doing.
You backed your statements up w/ numbers and screen shots. We have to take your word for it but it's hardly in the realm of impossibility. Even if you're lying, these morons arguing w/ you over the plausibility are the real losers. Just because they can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
Aye, have come across this 'argument' on numerous occasions, basically it boils down to: "I cant do it therefore you suck/lie/etc..."
He provided facts, some do seem a bit streched, but just coz i may be a bit sceptical about the numbers, doesnt mean they arent real/ feasible. Ppl are just jealous i suppose (and no, i dont even come near the 100mill/hr mark, mostly coz i dont run missions all the time).
---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire! |
Ydra Ko'Zyn
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Posted - 2010.08.19 22:56:00 -
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I just don't know how people get more than 1k per lp. I've flown to Jita with a list of my lp store rewards and there is no items that sell for more than 1k. The vast majority are way under this. I've tried both Amarr and Ammatar agents. Seems like if you want to get 2k per lp you have to do a lot of research into the right corp to run for....
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.20 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ydra Ko'Zyn I just don't know how people get more than 1k per lp. I've flown to Jita with a list of my lp store rewards and there is no items that sell for more than 1k. The vast majority are way under this. I've tried both Amarr and Ammatar agents. Seems like if you want to get 2k per lp you have to do a lot of research into the right corp to run for....
http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LP_Stores.asp
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.20 13:36:00 -
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we really should have a mission off with screenshots.
Everybody start at 12:00UTC or something feasible. No missions selected beforehand and see how much ISk can be made in an arbitrary amount of time.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones we really should have a mission off with screenshots.
Everybody start at 12:00UTC or something feasible. No missions selected beforehand and see how much ISk can be made in an arbitrary amount of time.
I too like missioning at 3am.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.20 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cipher Jones we really should have a mission off with screenshots.
Everybody start at 12:00UTC or something feasible. No missions selected beforehand and see how much ISk can be made in an arbitrary amount of time.
I too like missioning at 3am.
-Liang
You don't have to be such a negative Nancy about it.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
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Bel Arvandan
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Posted - 2010.08.21 13:58:00 -
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hi Frozean, I was wondering if you would clear some things up that are bugging me about this thread.
Mainly it concerns a few statements you made, namely that you've only been playing the game for 4/5 months, your Frozean character came to life on April 1st so is 143 days old today. Also you said you use a crystal golem, that you posted a battleclinic link for and a tengu for your mission running.
The bare minimum skill points required for those two ships and the fittings are 9.935 million. That is without even any learning skills, social skills, cap skills etc. So I think it's basically impossible for such a young character to even fly those let alone fly them well. So is your mission runner not Frozean, did you buy another older character?
Anyway was just wondering and congrats on the mission times and your isk earnings, they are both very impressive! |
Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Frozean on 21/08/2010 14:27:10 Frozean was my first character.
Got in a raven in a month, Bought a CNR on the 3rd day the mission run/trade my way by abusing character bazaar :P
As for my golem pilot, yea. about 1-2 months in my CNR i got ard 10b for a golem pilot. All tengu, CNR, and golem are obscenely good mission runners.
I also bought a macha/NM toon alongiside a golem/tengu pilot.
Either way, it was holidays. And UK is a darn boring place to live in, SPECIALLY IF UR NOT IN LOndonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn .... all they do is drink.....ew
So yeah. i had time to waste. Life is good.
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SpyGirl
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean Edited by: Frozean on 21/08/2010 14:27:10 Frozean was my first character.
Got in a raven in a month, Bought a CNR on the 3rd day the mission run/trade my way by abusing character bazaar :P
As for my golem pilot, yea. about 1-2 months in my CNR i got ard 10b for a golem pilot. All tengu, CNR, and golem are obscenely good mission runners.
I also bought a macha/NM toon alongiside a golem/tengu pilot.
Either way, it was holidays. And UK is a darn boring place to live in, SPECIALLY IF UR NOT IN LOndonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn .... all they do is drink.....ew
So yeah. i had time to waste. Life is good.
I'm surprised to learn that English is your first language, lol. Then again, maybe it's not. -.-
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:51:00 -
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English is my 3rd language (kinda)
and i dont sound british at all.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 21/08/2010 17:50:49
Originally by: King Aires
No, hauling goods to market and hauling goods needed to turn LP into isk is a large time sink that should be included in any mission-isk equation. He bypasses this by hiring outside help. He is no longer working alone to gather his isk, has nothing to do with who he sells it to it has to do with how he gets his stuff to sell.
And no, you using two accounts to farm is not Solo farming no matter how many clients you run on one box lol
You just don't get it, do you?
The hauling is a tiny waste of time, by any possible count. Using a freighting service and courier contracts is no different from using a reseller or the market to sell your wares and goods. And much like Frozean mentioned, by your definition he'd be forced to produce every piece of ammo not to mention claim moons to get moongoo to react into intermediate materials to react into materials to produce components to produce into a golem which he invented. And as the quarterly freighter by no means can go afk but the time used must be accounted for I'm sure neither can any of the ship production time. Meaning he's got a hole of several thousand minutes of missionrunning time from the very start of im running missions.
In fact, running tutorial missions in your ibis farming the 5k isk rats is really quite optimal when it comes to missionrunning, by your definition. That is unless you're some crazy hardcore missionrunner that fiddles with figures. I mean, the only way to count is if you start with 0 that day and then...(I honestly have no idea to make the money for your PI stuff and the pos bpo but...). Atleast with the ibis you'll land on a positive figure at the end of the day.
Also, his figures are in no way extreme. I'd say they're just above average for a missionrunner trying to achieve good isk. A long way to go for those who really want to maximize.
EDIT: Gee, somehow I interpreted above as the last post of the thread. Sorry, I'm a newb to these forums. Parrots, commence!
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Halle 9000
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:02:00 -
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The e-peen is strong in this one...
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Also, his figures are in no way extreme. I'd say they're just above average for a missionrunner trying to achieve good isk. A long way to go for those who really want to maximize.
Tbh, anyone who has been running missions for a long time knows that the figures are in fact extreme in that the sample size is way too small to achieve a real world average over weeks or months of missions running.
Statistically it won't be possible to maintain 86m/h, though having said that, I believe the real point of this thread is to say that hisec low risk missioning still favorably compares to 0.0 sanctums or w-space since one doesn't have to put up with the limitations of 0.0 or w-space. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai Statistically it won't be possible to maintain 86m/h
Uh.
Right.
You keep believing that.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ash Donai Statistically it won't be possible to maintain 86m/h
Uh.
Right.
You keep believing that.
Sounds like you are an Apple customer living inside the reality distortion field. Speaking of reality, it's already proven my statement to be correct. Just because one player (with multiple accounts) managed to come up with a non-representative sample of mission running life doesn't mean that this sample accurately extrapolates to infinity. One doesn't even have to be a mission runner, or even play EVE, to understand that. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai Sounds like you are an Apple customer living inside the reality distortion field.
Yeah man, you keep believing that.
Quote: Speaking of reality, it's already proven my statement to be correct.
Yes, I see who is living in the reality distortion field. See, out here in the real world someone would say "Statistically it won't be possible to maintain 86m/h because ......". You might see the the missing part from your statement.
Anyway, keep believing it. I promise I only make like 20 mil/hr because its so hard to mission in high sec.
-Liang
-- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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