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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1665
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:48:00 -
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Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...
Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?
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Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
220
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:50:00 -
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oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.- Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:52:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...
Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?
Yes because every miner is an AFKer or a bot, just like the AFK mission runners and AFK carebear posters. The only thing AFK is any sense of proportion on this forum by posters like you. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1027
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:53:00 -
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I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.
hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.
Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all
REMOVE MINING! http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:54:00 -
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posting in stealth Nerf High-Sec thread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:56:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.
hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.
Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all
REMOVE MINING!
yes remove mining and lose half of your subscriptions, genius! I guess the items in the game will have to just will themselves into existence with the removal of minerals. |
Pipa Porto
487
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:58:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.-
Ice Roids have pop quick, do they?
You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1665
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:59:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.
hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.
Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all
REMOVE MINING!
I run a mining corp on another account. Don't think I don't know about mining and what it takes to run a corp, or about mining in this game in general. I, as a player, am competing against players that do use bots and mine 23/7. I want to know what CCP is going to do to counter that problem now that they are just making easier for botters and AFK miners. This "oh we just banned a few miners for *two weeks* is not solving the problem.
People that cheat and use outside means(not built into the game) to play EVE hurts my game. I want to know what CCP is going to do about it sense they have now made it easier for people to do it. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1407
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Posted - 2012.07.25 06:59:00 -
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why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals a rogue goon |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
220
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:01:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.- Ice Roids have pop quick, do they? You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice.
almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1665
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:02:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals
I don't just mine mate. Mining supports other endeavors. Just as any corp and alliance makes use of moon goo and mining to support their endeavors. Plus things do not get built unless ore is mined. So stop being an idiot. Thank you. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:04:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals
Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Pipa Porto
487
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:05:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.- Ice Roids have pop quick, do they? You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice. almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining.
Because right now, the Mack is like the post-nerf Hulk mining Ice.
Afterwards, the people who use Macks to mine Ice into an Orca (not a high income activity) because they want to be semi-afk, doing one action every ~5-10m, will go pure Macks (maybe an Orca for boosts) and be able to only do one action every ~hour. Maybe even stick the Orca in the belt and do a hauling run an hour. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4254
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:11:00 -
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Ninja mining fleets!
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Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:14:00 -
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Heh. These suicide ganker tears are glorious. Funny how his statement is completely wrong too. |
Tore Vest
304
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:16:00 -
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Finaly... I have been missing my afk mining sessions
+1 to CCP No troll. |
Major Bibi
0
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:18:00 -
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look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall |
Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:19:00 -
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Major Bibi wrote:look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall Remember what happened to the last thing that promoted team work in high sec? Nerf bat to Incursions face! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
9000
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:53:00 -
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Major Bibi wrote:look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall News at Ten. Gankers already work in teams, but miners will continue to fit for maximum yield, meaning no real change will occur.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Malsavias Toralen
Kleinrock Heavy Industries Kleinrock Group
0
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:54:00 -
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Trying to figure out where the AFK mining is here.
Mr Asteroid only has around 3 to 5km3 in him, meaning every 3 or so minutes ((Depending on yield and a few other factors)) I need to reset my lasers.... Kinda have to pay attention there.... Unlesss OH YOU MEAN WHEN I FORGET TO RESET THE LASERS.... That would mean i'm a miner and AFK... Right?
And I know i've seen tons of Macks mining ice with an orca basically AFK... So that's already in place.
So either the issue is gank potential or bots.
Now holding back on nerfs and buffs just because it would affect an outside game source like a bot is a poor choice. That's like nerfing bakeries in America because of baguettes in France... So i'm not entirely seeing the argument here... Call me dumb I guess. =D
((A few points in my post where stated above me and I give full credit to those who thought of them first, just reiterating them with my own points.)) |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1695
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:16:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.- Ice Roids have pop quick, do they? You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice. almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining. Because right now, the Mack is like the post-nerf Hulk mining Ice. Afterwards, the people who use Macks to mine Ice into an Orca (not a high income activity) because they want to be semi-afk, doing one action every ~5-10m, will go pure Macks (maybe an Orca for boosts) and be able to only do one action every ~hour. Maybe even stick the Orca in the belt and do a hauling run an hour.
Wrong, as of now they can do 1 action every 18 or so minutes, doing it every hour won't change that inactivity a lot. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ron Maudieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:17:00 -
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I wonder how much isk all of these magical "AFK miners" make, I mean they must make more than 30mil per hour mining in high security space right?
I am happy as a high sec noob miner with the coming changes. Hate me all you want for not wanting to jet can mine or swap ships when using GSCs.
If you are so worried about people AFK mining, why don't you just mine the same rocks that they are or use one of the other 50 billion ways to "PvP mine". |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
220
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:20:00 -
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Ron Maudieu wrote:I wonder how much isk all of these magical "AFK miners" make, I mean they must make more than 30mil per hour mining in high security space right? I am happy as a high sec noob miner with the coming changes. Hate me all you want for not wanting to jet can mine or swap ships when using GSCs. If you are so worried about people AFK mining, why don't you just mine the same rocks that they are or use one of the other 50 billion ways to "PvP mine".
currently a hulk with max orca boosts mining scodite is getting ~31m an hour, however with hauling and ****** little asteroids popping etc in reality it's not 31m. however 31m is the mathematical max. and that's using isk/m3 values from http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore which, without fail, over-estimates the isk/m3 values. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Ron Maudieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:21:00 -
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Exactly, and at that point it's not AFK mining. I think the OP is a bit clueless on the matter. |
Pipa Porto
487
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:24:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.
37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.- Ice Roids have pop quick, do they? You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice. almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining. Because right now, the Mack is like the post-nerf Hulk mining Ice. Afterwards, the people who use Macks to mine Ice into an Orca (not a high income activity) because they want to be semi-afk, doing one action every ~5-10m, will go pure Macks (maybe an Orca for boosts) and be able to only do one action every ~hour. Maybe even stick the Orca in the belt and do a hauling run an hour. Wrong, as of now they can do 1 action every 18 or so minutes, doing it every hour won't change that inactivity a lot.
3x isn't a big difference? And fixing it for 18 minutes requires careful timing and an Orca. The new Mack is Ron Popeil's dream machine.
But that's not really a big deal, tbh. I just wanted to point out that Roids have never been as afkable as Ice, and the Mackinaw boost allows it to operate with less human intervention than it currently needs.
I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now. Visa versa with the Skiff's giant ore hold. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1695
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:31:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: 3x isn't a big difference? And fixing it for 18 minutes requires careful timing and an Orca. The new Mack is Ron Popeil's dream machine.
But that's not really a big deal, tbh. I just wanted to point out that Roids have never been as afkable as Ice, and the Mackinaw boost allows it to operate with less human intervention than it currently needs.
I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now. Visa versa with the Skiff's giant ore hold.
Not really, 18 minutes means you can go lunch and only get back to empty the thing once, you can go poop in peace, you can do a lot of stuff even with 18 minutes. 1 hour is even more but I think past the 10 minutes thresold the "AFK friendliness factor" is achieved.
As for the Orca, who uses an Orca today will use it tomorrow, possibly with Hulks. Who today uses an expanded exhumer is not using an Orca nor will use it past patch. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
220
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:As for the Orca, who uses an Orca today will use it tomorrow, possibly with Hulks. Who today uses an expanded exhumer is not using an Orca nor will use it past patch.
i think there's a notable exception to that. people like me; 2 accounts. 1 hulk 1 orca. yes, we know 2 hulks is more yield but the orca/hulk combo is a massive logistical ease for us. after this 2x macks will be more yield and less logistics. not to mention you're only losing cycle bonuses not yield bonuses. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
149
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:38:00 -
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The only change is giving miners the possibility of "mining in battleships" without training for a battleship.
I expect the yield on large-tank-barges and large-ore-bay-barges to be similar to battleships fitted for it. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
222
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:42:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:The only change is giving miners the possibility of "mining in battleships" without training for a battleship.
I expect the yield on large-tank-barges and large-ore-bay-barges to be similar to battleships fitted for it.
then i also expect my skiff to do the same dps as a rokh. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Pipa Porto
488
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:05:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:The only change is giving miners the possibility of "mining in battleships" without training for a battleship.
I expect the yield on large-tank-barges and large-ore-bay-barges to be similar to battleships fitted for it.
They are.
With the new CPU rigs, the Rokh can pull in a crazy amount of Ore.
Maxed out (accidentally included a 3%, but that's in all the numbers), a Rokh mines 47,543.5m3/hr compared to a Hulk with no MLUs (the same as the new Skiff/Mack with 2MLUs), yield of 45,973.4m3/hr And a Maxed Hulk's 54,621m3/hr. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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