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Flavius Renatus
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:26:00 -
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Dear Devs,
The Propulsion Changes Suck!
To the Community:
I am not speaking to the PVE Community or the Miners. I am speaking to the PVP Community. Lets look at what they have done with one patch.
Every Destroyer, Cruiser, and Battlecuiser and just become unusable in fleet combat (both small and big) because the propulsion changes were done before the Missle Changes. (Brilliant Move DEVS)
Stop....
I was going to write this big long winded thread, but I have decided that it is just not worth it anymore so I will keep it simple.
Due to the Sig Radius increase with MWD, activating it, while flying a Cruiser, in a fight to chase a frig or to try to run from a missle = insta death to Battleship Guns.
Equiping an AB = INSTA death to Cruise Missles.
A Battle Cruiser might last a couple seconds more, but the end result will be the same.
Under the old system atleast you could move around the edges of the battlefield and try to snag a frig or another cruiser, now don't bother even showing up, why waste the trip.
What a waste....I cannot believe that they allowed this to go into the patch, the Dev's must all be battleship pilots.
So here is the fleet make-up for the forseeable future. Battleships with a large NOS, or WEB, and FRIGATES (your flying additional mid-slots).
WELL DONE DEV's, WELL DONE.
Flavius Renatus (Ancient Roman Military Historian)
Real Power Is Something You Take!!! |
Flavius Renatus
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:26:00 -
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Dear Devs,
The Propulsion Changes Suck!
To the Community:
I am not speaking to the PVE Community or the Miners. I am speaking to the PVP Community. Lets look at what they have done with one patch.
Every Destroyer, Cruiser, and Battlecuiser and just become unusable in fleet combat (both small and big) because the propulsion changes were done before the Missle Changes. (Brilliant Move DEVS)
Stop....
I was going to write this big long winded thread, but I have decided that it is just not worth it anymore so I will keep it simple.
Due to the Sig Radius increase with MWD, activating it, while flying a Cruiser, in a fight to chase a frig or to try to run from a missle = insta death to Battleship Guns.
Equiping an AB = INSTA death to Cruise Missles.
A Battle Cruiser might last a couple seconds more, but the end result will be the same.
Under the old system atleast you could move around the edges of the battlefield and try to snag a frig or another cruiser, now don't bother even showing up, why waste the trip.
What a waste....I cannot believe that they allowed this to go into the patch, the Dev's must all be battleship pilots.
So here is the fleet make-up for the forseeable future. Battleships with a large NOS, or WEB, and FRIGATES (your flying additional mid-slots).
WELL DONE DEV's, WELL DONE.
Flavius Renatus (Ancient Roman Military Historian)
Real Power Is Something You Take!!! |
Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:03:00 -
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The propulsion changes are good.
Not doing a cruise missile change along with them is dumb.
If you don't fly a Raven, I suggest you stay away from PvP until they fixed missiles. Maybe CCP gets the message once they see nothing but Ravens and Scorps out there. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?" |
Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:03:00 -
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The propulsion changes are good.
Not doing a cruise missile change along with them is dumb.
If you don't fly a Raven, I suggest you stay away from PvP until they fixed missiles. Maybe CCP gets the message once they see nothing but Ravens and Scorps out there. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?" |
Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:07:00 -
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CCP are funny like that. Half assed solutions. Guess it's time to sit back and await the missile changes.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:07:00 -
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CCP are funny like that. Half assed solutions. Guess it's time to sit back and await the missile changes.
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sc0rpi0n
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flavius Renatus Dear Devs,
The Propulsion Changes Suck!
To the Community:
I am not speaking to the PVE Community or the Miners. I am speaking to the PVP Community. Lets look at what they have done with one patch.
Every Destroyer, Cruiser, and Battlecuiser and just become unusable in fleet combat (both small and big) because the propulsion changes were done before the Missle Changes. (Brilliant Move DEVS)
Stop....
I was going to write this big long winded thread, but I have decided that it is just not worth it anymore so I will keep it simple.
Due to the Sig Radius increase with MWD, activating it, while flying a Cruiser, in a fight to chase a frig or to try to run from a missle = insta death to Battleship Guns.
Equiping an AB = INSTA death to Cruise Missles.
A Battle Cruiser might last a couple seconds more, but the end result will be the same.
Under the old system atleast you could move around the edges of the battlefield and try to snag a frig or another cruiser, now don't bother even showing up, why waste the trip.
What a waste....I cannot believe that they allowed this to go into the patch, the Dev's must all be battleship pilots.
So here is the fleet make-up for the forseeable future. Battleships with a large NOS, or WEB, and FRIGATES (your flying additional mid-slots).
WELL DONE DEV's, WELL DONE.
Flavius Renatus
no more overzided rapture for you huh
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sc0rpi0n
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flavius Renatus Dear Devs,
The Propulsion Changes Suck!
To the Community:
I am not speaking to the PVE Community or the Miners. I am speaking to the PVP Community. Lets look at what they have done with one patch.
Every Destroyer, Cruiser, and Battlecuiser and just become unusable in fleet combat (both small and big) because the propulsion changes were done before the Missle Changes. (Brilliant Move DEVS)
Stop....
I was going to write this big long winded thread, but I have decided that it is just not worth it anymore so I will keep it simple.
Due to the Sig Radius increase with MWD, activating it, while flying a Cruiser, in a fight to chase a frig or to try to run from a missle = insta death to Battleship Guns.
Equiping an AB = INSTA death to Cruise Missles.
A Battle Cruiser might last a couple seconds more, but the end result will be the same.
Under the old system atleast you could move around the edges of the battlefield and try to snag a frig or another cruiser, now don't bother even showing up, why waste the trip.
What a waste....I cannot believe that they allowed this to go into the patch, the Dev's must all be battleship pilots.
So here is the fleet make-up for the forseeable future. Battleships with a large NOS, or WEB, and FRIGATES (your flying additional mid-slots).
WELL DONE DEV's, WELL DONE.
Flavius Renatus
no more overzided rapture for you huh
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:42:00 -
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Thanks CCP! Your recent nerf make all missile users UBER. Now all who does use missiles doesn't need to care about that pray will outrun theirs bullets.
IMHO top speed on my Blackbird is kind of joke to me 445m/s with all maxed navigation skills you can't be serios. I call it total-crap heavy nerf to my abilites. This boost is zilch in comparison to what you taken from all my skills. I spend over month to maximize my speed and you did erased it just in blink of eye!
I'm completelly full of this crap called "features"
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:42:00 -
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Thanks CCP! Your recent nerf make all missile users UBER. Now all who does use missiles doesn't need to care about that pray will outrun theirs bullets.
IMHO top speed on my Blackbird is kind of joke to me 445m/s with all maxed navigation skills you can't be serios. I call it total-crap heavy nerf to my abilites. This boost is zilch in comparison to what you taken from all my skills. I spend over month to maximize my speed and you did erased it just in blink of eye!
I'm completelly full of this crap called "features"
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:45:00 -
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hey I had an idea - if you change MWD sig radius penalty from 500% to 50%, then it'd be just as good as oversized AB, right? less cap, but more grid, even more speed
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:45:00 -
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hey I had an idea - if you change MWD sig radius penalty from 500% to 50%, then it'd be just as good as oversized AB, right? less cap, but more grid, even more speed
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:46:00 -
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445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay. ---
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:46:00 -
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445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay. ---
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow 445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay.
rofl, THX for the best laugh of the last 5mins to you!
yeah, make cruise missles and torps go 100m/s
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow 445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay.
rofl, THX for the best laugh of the last 5mins to you!
yeah, make cruise missles and torps go 100m/s
Wanna fly with me?
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:57:00 -
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Your welcome Nafri.
Unfortunatly I belive if you fly a cruiser into battle it ought to be hit by cruise missiles. Perhaps torpedoes would have slight trouble tracking or something...
(P.S.) Contact me for more laughs. ---
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:57:00 -
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Your welcome Nafri.
Unfortunatly I belive if you fly a cruiser into battle it ought to be hit by cruise missiles. Perhaps torpedoes would have slight trouble tracking or something...
(P.S.) Contact me for more laughs. ---
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:02:00 -
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The propulsion change was a little rushed because some stupid speed freaks were exploiting game mechanics (like fire immune, missile spewing Feroxes), and because of deadspace.
The only thing I don't really like is that 100Mn ABs aren't boosting battleships all that much (285m/s on my Apoc with a Lif booster), and their usefullness remain questionable.
Any interceptor can still use a MWD to outrun cruise missiles. They just won't be able to close straight at the target without taking some hits.
Missile changes are coming, and EW changes too. After that the game will be pretty much balanced.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:02:00 -
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The propulsion change was a little rushed because some stupid speed freaks were exploiting game mechanics (like fire immune, missile spewing Feroxes), and because of deadspace.
The only thing I don't really like is that 100Mn ABs aren't boosting battleships all that much (285m/s on my Apoc with a Lif booster), and their usefullness remain questionable.
Any interceptor can still use a MWD to outrun cruise missiles. They just won't be able to close straight at the target without taking some hits.
Missile changes are coming, and EW changes too. After that the game will be pretty much balanced.
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voyagerCOM
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:03:00 -
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the new propulsion system really sucks. now we only have shield and/or armor tanking, sucks! now i cant even out run a cruise missiles. i'm really thinking about to quit eve, and i know some of my friends or thinking about it too. and i really lovet this game... once
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voyagerCOM
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:03:00 -
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the new propulsion system really sucks. now we only have shield and/or armor tanking, sucks! now i cant even out run a cruise missiles. i'm really thinking about to quit eve, and i know some of my friends or thinking about it too. and i really lovet this game... once
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
The only thing I don't really like is that 100Mn ABs aren't boosting battleships all that much (285m/s on my Apoc with a Lif booster), and their usefullness remain questionable.
When you think about it. Should battleships really go to fast? ---
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
The only thing I don't really like is that 100Mn ABs aren't boosting battleships all that much (285m/s on my Apoc with a Lif booster), and their usefullness remain questionable.
When you think about it. Should battleships really go to fast? ---
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Reite
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:05:00 -
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Mum, why are the people whining so much?
My frig works fine with a MWD My cruiser works fine with a MWD
And yes, i do pvp. Please just try it before u start crying like babies.
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Reite
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:05:00 -
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Mum, why are the people whining so much?
My frig works fine with a MWD My cruiser works fine with a MWD
And yes, i do pvp. Please just try it before u start crying like babies.
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Picasso
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Picasso on 17/12/2004 13:39:34
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Picasso
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Picasso on 17/12/2004 13:39:34
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aelita on 16/12/2004 20:11:30
Originally by: Shade Widow 445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay.
445 isn't slow? Did you check speed of NPC rats? Cruisers doing over 1km/s now. So ... I never did use dual MWD on hunt. Just three ABs and one new AB doesn't replace old 3. Don't forget that I've navigation level 5, acceleartion control L5 and afterburners L5. After all that skill time cost 445 m/s looks really shytty.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aelita on 16/12/2004 20:11:30
Originally by: Shade Widow 445 M/S is not slow... it just seems like it, because your used to dual MWDS ext.
Cruise missiles and torpedos should go slower..... Afterburner changes should stay.
445 isn't slow? Did you check speed of NPC rats? Cruisers doing over 1km/s now. So ... I never did use dual MWD on hunt. Just three ABs and one new AB doesn't replace old 3. Don't forget that I've navigation level 5, acceleartion control L5 and afterburners L5. After all that skill time cost 445 m/s looks really shytty.
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