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Grillmeister Grim
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:54:00 -
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The GM's talk on the forums if it is important enough. I think this IS important.
People getting supercapitals back, keeping the insurance money. CSM members getting premium GM service in form of 1-2 hour fast petitions without needing to wait. At least that is what the forums say.
It would be very nice if a GM could confirm that these are wrong rumours and not true.
Write a petition to the GMs? Should the GM's be bombarded with hundreds of petitions about the same issue? It is really much easier if they could come forward and saying that such a thing didn't happen.
After all, we are talking about 500 bil isk. And if you buy GTC for that, it is a value of $25.000
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Schani Kratnorr
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.
Fail response.
1. You failed to lock the thread for "discussing accusations of EULA-breach."
2. You failed to grasp the logic of this post - that GMs/devs/CSM/CCP cannot be trusted. If the OP is correct, then a petition would simply be ignored.
Your reply simply fuels speculations.
the proper response could be:
"as we have already told you on the in-game news, six titans and severeal other capitals were lost. if any of those were 're-boarded' due to a technical glitch, then the ships in question will be removed (as they are registered as gone.)"
"we would also like to remind all players that, as a general rule, we do NOT replace ships lost in 'fleet battles.' This policy serves the purpose of avoiding rampant speculations and rumours of favouritism."
... wow, ccp should hire me to sort these things out. |
Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:13:00 -
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According to Shamis this also happened to PL, so really so far randomly after a major engagement all none SC ships tend to get reimbursed in an unusual manner.
Internal affairs must be busy today :P |
Zuretul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.
So instead of CCP's official statement, CCP wants thousands of players sent petitions in already really exhausted petition system? |
ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: CCP Adida If you are looking to speak with a Game Master please create a petition. They will be able to answer any questions you may have. They do not generally address issues on the forums.
Fail response.
1. You failed to lock the thread for "discussing accusations of EULA-breach."
2. You failed to grasp the logic of this post - that GMs/devs/CSM/CCP cannot be trusted. If the OP is correct, then a petition would simply be ignored.
Your reply simply fuels speculations.
the proper response could be:
"as we have already told you on the in-game news, six titans and severeal other capitals were lost. if any of those were 're-boarded' due to a technical glitch, then the ships in question will be removed (as they are registered as gone.)"
"we would also like to remind all players that, as a general rule, we do NOT replace ships lost in 'fleet battles.' This policy serves the purpose of avoiding rampant speculations and rumours of favouritism."
... wow, ccp should hire me to sort these things out.
Fail response tbh from you.
Hes not accusing of eula breaches but he thinks there is something not right and want someone to look into it.
And for your "propper" responses:
CCP did not tell anyone about the six titans .. but ISN did which is an independand not CCP funded news organisation.
CCP Adida's response was correct. Devs do not enforce the ingame policies .. GM's do. CCP Adida clearly stated the propper way to request an investigation which is what the op wanted.
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:10:00 -
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CCP should clarify this. Rules must be equal for everyone.
While it's clear that lag cannot be considered a game mechanic, it does not make sense to reimburse all lag related losses.
Maybe, fixing the lag generating gameplay would help with this kind of problems.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cheap Dude The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet.
You're wrong.
If you want to create a terrible whine, at least be consistent with facts.
What happened was, that ships that jumped out of the system in question, had fuel and cap removed and appeared in their new system, reappeared in the system they jumped out of after their pilots logged off. There they died, then respawned in the systems they jumped out to unpiloted.
The same bug has been reported several times since Dominion hit. CCP did nothing. The only thing that was different here, was that supercaps got killed and respawned. It already happened to dreads and carriers in y-2ano, p-2ttl and possibly dg-
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Geanos
Phoenix Tribe Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: ForceM stuff
Btw, you have left a hair between your teeth
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Cheap Dude The 'NC' jumping a large fleet into a smaller fleet.
You're wrong.
If you want to create a terrible whine, at least be consistent with facts.
What happened was, that ships that jumped out of the system in question, had fuel and cap removed and appeared in their new system, reappeared in the system they jumped out of after their pilots logged off. There they died, then respawned in the systems they jumped out to unpiloted.
The same bug has been reported several times since Dominion hit. CCP did nothing. The only thing that was different here, was that supercaps got killed and respawned. It already happened to dreads and carriers in y-2ano, p-2ttl and possibly dg-
Actually they never tried to jump out, not all anyway they were in that system to defend a PoS thats the reason they were there anyway knowing that it was a trap and lag worked against them THIS TIME, they tried to cyno out but failed.
See NCs strategy is to get everyone their alts and trial noob ships into a system to crash it, once the system is crashed they hope to log in FIRST and kill everything, it has been a known strategy that has been practiced by Goons and I guess PL too.
This backfired and instead of the node crashing NC lagged out and died -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 -
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Oooooh, now i get it. You're an utter moron, trying to spin this bug into something it isn't. That's why you just made up things instead of sticking to the facts.
Never mind then, moving on.
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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:25:00 -
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During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available. GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Good to know.
Go go CCP
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:31:00 -
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Lol i hope for vuk lau the others already deposited ISK with chribba, then he just made enough isk due to his bets to buy a few titans.
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Namira Sable
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
The OP should add this comment to the first post so more can see it.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Why exactly are you doing this now, instead of straight after Dominion? The bug is over 7 months old now and has been known for that long too.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Why exactly are you doing this now, instead of straight after Dominion? The bug is over 7 months old now and has been known for that long too.
Are you new to eve and haven't seen bugs go unfixed for years?
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:53:00 -
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node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.
two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Are you new to eve and haven't seen bugs go unfixed for years?
Rhetorical question.
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Gordon Fell
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.
two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?
Not seeing the problem either. Please continue. Too many titans in this game anyway.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cheap Dude How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?
now we know where all the technomages who fled babylon 5's universe wound up
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SIEGE RED
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
By Internal Affairs? |
Namira Sable
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Fell
Originally by: Dr Fighter node crashes and server lag related problems is the new top end isk sink for allinces.
two sides turn up, one leaves. whats the problem?
Not seeing the problem either. Please continue. Too many titans in this game anyway.
Maybe that some of the destroyed ships (titans) showed up in space and the pilots that lost them gained the insurance isk. This obviously isn't unique to the NC, but should still be zapped.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Cheap Dude How can it be the ships are found floating in space? How can the ship be killed and reappear the next day?
now we know where all the technomages who fled babylon 5's universe wound up
No, the titans are literarily Jesus.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:50 Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:41 I bet that as the ships jumped in, that a wormhole opened up right on the jumpgate, due to the collision of two such powerful entities, the wormhole ended up copying a portion of the reality into a parallel dimension, which when the wormhole later collasped, merged with the current dimension as it was no longer being kept in its placed by the wormhole.
Quote: Maybe that some of the destroyed ships (titans) showed up in space and the pilots that lost them gained the insurance isk. This obviously isn't unique to the NC, but should still be zapped.
You sure it even matters since the insurance changes? They probably got like 1 isk back.
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Namira Sable
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:50 Edited by: Messoroz on 18/06/2010 16:22:41
You sure it even matters since the insurance changes? They probably got like 1 isk back.
In the greater scheme of Eve's economy no, but for principle yes. If you don't lose the ship you shouldn't get the insurance payout.
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Vhaine Vhindiscar
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vhaine Vhindiscar on 18/06/2010 16:39:08 Dead ships respawns, some find their way home, some don't. Free ships ftw.
Dead ships drop high value mods...which turn into isk for the looters.
Dead ships generate insurance payments.
Can you salvage a titan wreck? What's that like...
The whole thing reminds me of any electronics store 30 seconds after a riot breaks out. The issue needs to be top priority for ccp. It undermines the entire game. The fact that it was high profile THIS time is pointless. That it's been going on before and nobody noticed or failed to act...most unfortunate.
HOW long until someone figures out a way to turn this into a dup exploit? Has it happened already? Will it be happening by this weekend. You tell me...a chance to dup titans for insurance. I bet alot of people are gonna be all over that.
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Rico Minali
Gallente Sons Of 0din Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:40:00 -
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I am currently arguing the case for having lost a single ship carrying a few billion in stuff, I lost the ship due to a black screen and am getting the 'our logs dont show' spiel, and also that unless it is 100% proven that it is ccps fault then no you cant have anything back..
Now if NC get hundreds of billions of isk back, I will not be a happy chappy... Are the guys from that fight in H-W going to get their stuff back from the lagfest that happened on that 'reinforced node system'?
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Afrodite Draconis
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Thank you.
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Juwairia
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: karttoon
Some people petitioned the GMs because they received insurance ISK and retained the capital after it was killed in Y-2. From what I was told, they removed the capital, and left the insurance ISK (which was significant at the time since a lot of people had plat insurance). After that everyone else pretty much kept their mouth shut, so who knows if CCP checked for free ISK or capitals after that.
The problem is most likely related to caching information causing conflicts when the TQ database is actually updated. I think they changed how they cache node actions for, or slightly prior to Dominion. If someone can figure it out you could probably dupe a ton of **** since it is evident that actions are not longer updated in the database in real-time. This is probably why a node death causes a roll-back as of Dominion, since the node database cache stored in memory is lost.
Cross-posting from another locked thread. Interesting information.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon This should be interesting to follow.
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Lance Fighter fun story: nobody gives a ****. Its the GD forums: discuss something that the general public gives a damn about. Take your alliance drivel out to coad, or better, private forums.
Once youve done that, remember that CCP does not make a policy of giving a damn about things posted in GD. If you want something answered, PETITION IT. If you want something answered quickly, too ****ing bad. The forums isnt the right place for this anyway.
HTFU and stop whining.
Yet Another Empire Carebear whining.
Just STFU.
Lance an empire carebear?
I was about to say the same thing
Slade
love you all <3
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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