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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:09:00 -
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For as much as I would love to explore 0.0 space, I wont because of warp bubbles. I've seen then planted all around gates at the exit point of warp routes.
What's the point when you cant even travel? So I stay out of 0.0 space. I have no incentive to go there.
I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
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Arthur Frayn
Edurus Erectus
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:18:00 -
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A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Elgaris Dukor
Caldari Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:19:00 -
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Hello.
Warp bubbles are tool controll the chokepoints in 0.0 space. Without a bubble there would be no way to catch a small and fast or even a cloaky ship. Even with bubbles its not easy to catch them.
If they keep you out they fullfill their purpose.
Elgaris.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
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ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:23:00 -
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use a tech3 ship with interdiction nullifier if you are so scared of bubbles
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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:27:00 -
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What is the purpose of you post? Are you really sugesting to remove warp bubbles from the game?
Elgaris
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I am scared. Make the game easier for me.
I too dislike warp bubbles, as I play solo (occasionally with a scout alt) and they can be quite a pain.
But then, I don't play EVE because it is easy, I play it because it is hard. So, I currently live in 0.0.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor What is the purpose of you post? Are you really sugesting to remove warp bubbles from the game?
Elgaris
No, but limit their proximity to jump gates at least.
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Asperath Fernandez
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
Playing into a troll, I know...
With half a brain, and the D-scanner, those planets / moons aren't that scary... You've got a whole 30 seconds to hold cloak and check out your situation. Tho I have very rarely seen common celestials bubbled, random moons usually are not.
Either case, usually only the first 2-5 systems in you have to worry about (Really only the first 90% of the time) being that heavily camped / bubbled. There is only so much of the system that can be effectively camped.
It's not near as bad as you are making it out to be. Roll a noob alt and try it in a cheapo frigate.
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Elgaris Dukor
Caldari Femti Runa Eru ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 21/05/2010 13:47:07
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Elgaris Dukor What is the purpose of you post? Are you really sugesting to remove warp bubbles from the game?
Elgaris
No, but limit their proximity to jump gates at least.
Well that wont happen. Warp bubbles are an important tool nowadays. If you want a safer travel through 0.0 you have to either choose a different ship (there are plenty suitable) or get a friendly scout. That are your options.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:51:00 -
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bubbles aren't exactly hard to deal with.
Still, if they keep you out of 0.0, I guess they're doing their job.
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kurg
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:00:00 -
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For as much as I would love World of Warcraft Battlegrounds, I wont fight in World of Warcraft Battlegrounds because other players have better PvP gear than i do, I've seen them all around the Battlegrounds.
What's the point when you cant even fight? So i stay out of World of Warcraft Battlegrounds. I have no incentive to go there.
I like a fight, but players with better PvP gear than me is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
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meat vapour
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:00:00 -
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Nooma K'Larr: Love em? Hate em? I like a fight, but reading one of his poasts is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:13:00 -
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hi cat here
at first when i heard about bubbles in eve i was like great! this sounds like a lot of lols! i love playing with bubbles especially in the bath hehe
well i went out exploring with my friend to 0.0 but well let me tell you this... i wasnt lolling very hard when my stupid ship wouldnt warp away and then evil people just proceeded to mercilessly gank me
i am quite scared of bubbles now
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Lashnar
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:17:00 -
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I remember when I first got caught in a warp bubble. I was in a shuttle. I sat in the station after being podded for about a minute before I figured out how to evade warp bubbles.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Elgaris Dukor What is the purpose of you post? Are you really sugesting to remove warp bubbles from the game?
Elgaris
No, but limit their proximity to jump gates at least.
Seriously, level with me: are you actually this dumb, or just a really persistent troll. If you are a troll, then congrats.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
at first when i heard about bubbles in eve i was like great! this sounds like a lot of lols! i love playing with bubbles especially in the bath hehe
well i went out exploring with my friend to 0.0 but well let me tell you this... i wasnt lolling very hard when my stupid ship wouldnt warp away and then evil people just proceeded to mercilessly gank me
i am quite scared of bubbles now
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It saddens me you hate bubbles and am glad you got violated, Jake.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
And the wisest players use d-scan and bookmarks.
Or they have a friend who does.
Wish I still had the screenie of a bubble camp I jumped into once. 30+ large bubbles, several (very) fast inties and a drone swarm to end all drone swarms.
Still not entirely sure how I got out of that one....it was too bloody close for comfort.
Had the giggles for a while afterwards though so well worth it... those were the days. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 21/05/2010 14:36:24
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For as much as I would love to explore 0.0 space, I wont because of warp bubbles. I've seen then planted all around gates at the exit point of warp routes.
What's the point when you cant even travel? So I stay out of 0.0 space. I have no incentive to go there.
I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
Jesus, use a t3 if you are crying this much about bubbles. Bubbles is the only thing in the game that can be used to tackle fleets easily(and even then my interdictors become dust pretty quickly) and are excellent for catching the stupid people who can't adjust their warp vector to not get caught in a bubble. They also catch unlucky people too but hey thats eve.
Bubbles are fine, and are an excellent part of this game, they make sure players in dieing ships don't warp off so they instead stay there and die, as otherwise your fleets would have to have 300 rifters on top of the battleships to keep the opposition in place
0.0 space is easy as hell to explore, the only bubbles i find when roaming in my pilgrim are usually in the border systems between high/low sec and null sec and in peoples private ratting systems, which i like to sit in on and disrupt.
Plus i always spend the time setting up bounce spots above gates which i find are usually bubbled so as to evade them more easily(unless they really want to keep someone in/out and frogspawn the entire gate)
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
at first when i heard about bubbles in eve i was like great! this sounds like a lot of lols! i love playing with bubbles especially in the bath hehe
well i went out exploring with my friend to 0.0 but well let me tell you this... i wasnt lolling very hard when my stupid ship wouldnt warp away and then evil people just proceeded to mercilessly gank me
i am quite scared of bubbles now
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It saddens me you hate bubbles and am glad you got violated, Jake.
Let's make this fair. What's your real name? ****? VOTE CAT
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:42:00 -
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just last nite i went 30 jumps to go pick up some old assets and then 30 jumps back.....all of it 0.0
on the way back a heretic started chasing me but being the awesome anathema pilot i was, even tho he chased me thru like 4 systems and bubbled me something lke 5 times, he never got me ^^
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:48:00 -
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Warp bubbles are stupid. Easy mode at it's finest.
It's not fun sitting on a gate at a bubble camp (lived and defended space in syndicate for nearly a year, 24/7 bubblecamps practically).
It's completely ******ed getting caught in one, and just because you brought a cov ops doesn't mean you're getting out with it.
As "necessary" as they might be, they are a lame mechanic and make 0.0 suck that much more.
They should be removed from npc nullsec. Let the sov holders keep em.
Obviously I pretty much hate them completely.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:54:00 -
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I support the hate for warp bubbles. I think it's a hotfix for the lack of proper combat mechanics, and not even a good one. And they look silly. The only way to get out of a warp bubble alive is to have a lazy, sleepy, stupid opponent. Or 5. Or 20.
"Bring a t3" .. oh man. Yea. Ok. I'll just bring a t3. I think everyone should fly a t3 just to pass a gatecamp. That's a good idea.
Noobs should infact have that in the first few steps of their tutorial, "how to train for your t3" cause else they might be unable to enter nullsec.
Maybe that's even the core of the whole problem. Someone needs to tell the noobs to train for t3 and buy some plexes to be able to afford them, kinda as compensation for a lack of a real income while they're training for their t3s. VOTE CAT
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:56:00 -
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I have escaped plenty of bubbles in cov ops, bombers, recons, and intys.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:57:00 -
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I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people? VOTE CAT
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Fly a covops? There is nothing hard about it really.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:06:00 -
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The whole "don't travel alone in null sec in a ship that you isn't cloaky or a inty/vaga/dramiel" arguement comes to mind.
Use a scout, read intel channels, etc.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:10:00 -
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tl;dr: Part of the game is hard. It should be removed because I fail at that part.
HTFU
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.21 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
1. Double click somewhere in space, preferably away from the bubble. 2. Click on MWD icon. 3. Click on cloaky icon. 4. ???? 5. Profit
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:08:00 -
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What sis there to explore in 0.0??? yep that's a nebula background, that's a planet, that's a Stargate......... 50 jump later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate 70 jumps later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate "you have initiated Self destruct" Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
I agree. I also do not travel to null sec because of the bubbles. If someone wants to point me and stop me from getting away, they should have some interceptors on the gate instead of using a low skill, zero drawback large AoE anchorable.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso What sis there to explore in 0.0??? yep that's a nebula background, that's a planet, that's a Stargate......... 50 jump later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate 70 jumps later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate "you have initiated Self destruct"
good point
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Back when I was in 0.0 I was a covops scout most of the time, a lot of hours were put into making bookmarks near gates in hostile space, like all gates for a whole region (apart from truely useless ones). If you have BM's you can safely warp to them and have a look at the gate and possibly make it through the gate easy. Either because they use sling bubbles and you're on a different angle or because they positioned their ships in the bubble toward the other gate, not the angle you're coming from.
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Gabriel Karade
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:17:00 -
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I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Boo...
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:21:00 -
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10/10 on the OP's trolling.
Many good suggestions in this thread on how to avoid bubble camps. And, really, is every null-sec entrance point bubbled to hell and back? I think not. People will make every excuse not to venture into null-sec because of the fear of loss. Go with a cheap ship and get over it.
Looking at this topic from another perspective, without bubbles (anchored or generated by an interdictor-class ship) catching covert ships is nearly impossible. With bubbles there is a chance (not a guarantee) of catching covert ships.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 21/05/2010 16:50:20
Originally by: Swiftgaze I think it's a hotfix for the lack of proper combat mechanics
Originally by: Gabriel Karade I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Quoting these guys for truth.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Warp bubbles are stupid. Easy mode at it's finest.
It's not fun sitting on a gate at a bubble camp (lived and defended space in syndicate for nearly a year, 24/7 bubblecamps practically).
It's completely ******ed getting caught in one, and just because you brought a cov ops doesn't mean you're getting out with it.
As "necessary" as they might be, they are a lame mechanic and make 0.0 suck that much more.
They should be removed from npc nullsec. Let the sov holders keep em.
Obviously I pretty much hate them completely.
Yeah, because mining does need just one more nerf, right?
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Ur235
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Boo...
Thats exactly what I thought, like freelancer 2 where you could shoot the conuits to affect a warp and they would drop out of warp where you were
That wudda been awesome
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Dek Kato
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:27:00 -
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Because not all of the whiners can be trolling; Get over it. I run around null quite a bit and have next to no fear of bubbles. You have to screw up to get caught by one. Stop taking big ships solo and warping straight to gates. An interceptor rarely has an excuse for getting caught by a bubble camp (only one I've lost that way was to an insta-locking sniper camp who nailed me the second I was on grid), and anything CovOps cloaky has an excellent survival rate as well. Is there a guaranteed way to be safe? No. Its called nullsec. Its dangerous. Thats the point. Don't like bubbles? Stay out of null.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Thread locked due to troll convention.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dek Kato Because not all of the whiners can be trolling; Get over it. I run around null quite a bit and have next to no fear of bubbles. You have to screw up to get caught by one. Stop taking big ships solo and warping straight to gates. An interceptor rarely has an excuse for getting caught by a bubble camp (only one I've lost that way was to an insta-locking sniper camp who nailed me the second I was on grid), and anything CovOps cloaky has an excellent survival rate as well. Is there a guaranteed way to be safe? No. Its called nullsec. Its dangerous. Thats the point. Don't like bubbles? Stay out of null.
You aren't kidding anybody. If they weren't so effective people wouldn't waste the time setting them up.
I think you're advice has already been taken, btw. 0.0 = three times bigger than highsec and lowsec combined, yet contains less population than either.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: randomname4me on 21/05/2010 17:58:44
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
You are right warp bubbles are so prevalent at every location one could want to warp in 0.0 you are better off MWDing from place to place. Its amazing how the people who live in 0.0 manage to do anything...
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has degenerated into nothing but spam.
Locked.
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Potrero
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For as much as I would love to explore 0.0 space, I wont because of warp bubbles. I've seen then planted all around gates at the exit point of warp routes.
What's the point when you cant even travel? So I stay out of 0.0 space. I have no incentive to go there.
I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
Here's what you do.
Get your own warp bubble and a force recon. Go a few jumps into 0.0 along a major pipe and set it up in a drag configuration (ask around if you don't know what this is). When something drops into your bubble try to kill it if you can.
You'll go from hating bubbles to loving them instantly.
On a side note. 1 or 2 jumps out of HED-GP would be a great place for such a drag bubble. That or somewhere in Syndicate.
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:41:00 -
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Too few people are suggesting tactical bookmarks. This saddens me. Every gate in 0.0, and often lowsec, I have at least 1-4 bookmarks at 150-400km off the gate. You have to remake them from time to time as often other people will have bookmarks near yours, but it makes life so much easier. Learn to play the game you keep paying for, or stick to the kiddie pool. It sounds like you've made your decision.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: randomname4me Edited by: randomname4me on 21/05/2010 17:58:44
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
You are right warp bubbles are so prevalent at every location one could want to warp in 0.0 you are better off MWDing from place to place. Its amazing how the people who live in 0.0 manage to do anything...
Absolutely.
Especially those dreaded entry systems. It only takes a mere 6 large large bubbles to get complete coverage on those gates, so of course thats what EVERYONE does.
I personally can't travel in 0.0 at all now that bubbles have been introduced. Instant death to move, no doubt about it.
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Qolde
Minmatar art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:53:00 -
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I don't have much of a problem with bubbles as they are right now, but that would be kind of interesting if they didnt work in NPC space.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.21 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
That's easy. Bring six friends.
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Potrero
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Jumping through a gate and into one? If you want to keep going on your merry way then Recon, Blockade Runner, Cov Ops, Stealth Bomber. Align, hit mwd and cloak. Once clear of the bubble then warp. Or use an interceptor.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Jumping through a gate and into one? If you want to turn back around and burn back to your gate then all the ships listed above + fast HAC, Assault Frigate and some battleships.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Landing on one while coming out of warp? All the ships listed above. Burn to the gate. Unless you're cloaked. Then either slow-boat to the gate or warp back out the way you came in.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Avoiding jumping through a gate into one? Use a scout who is skilled at any of the tactics listed above.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Avoiding landing into one coming out of warp? Bookmarks.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Traveling through space and need to prepare for all of the above? Practice.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Don't like any of these? Saw a Megathron tank six or seven ships once and just fight it's way through.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
It's clearly impossible.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.05.21 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 21/05/2010 20:02:07
Originally by: Qolde I don't have much of a problem with bubbles as they are right now, but that would be kind of interesting if they didnt work in NPC space.
Or to twist this another way.
It would be great to have some space where you can attack things without security standing loss, gate guns, and without bubbles.
I don't know if that would mean Adding entirely new space or changing npc 0.0 or low sec rules.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.05.21 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Namira Sable Too few people are suggesting tactical bookmarks. This saddens me. Every gate in 0.0, and often lowsec, I have at least 1-4 bookmarks at 150-400km off the gate. You have to remake them from time to time as often other people will have bookmarks near yours, but it makes life so much easier.
Only reason I won't go to nullsec. I know it sounds lame , but its just very tedious to make a couple book marks for each gate in every system when you just want to travel through but instead have to spend more time burning off grid with an interceptor or covops when you want to use a cruiser. Next thing you know, you have hundreds or thousands of bookmarks you might not of used for months but are to important to get rid of and pray you don't accidently delete them which I did 3 times in a week to warp away from Jita . Then hope that CCP doesn't have a bookmark purge, because with WTZ and removal of deep,deep,deep,deep safes it seems that bookmarks make the server want to vomit every couple years after they build up
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:14:00 -
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Yea, it is a big chore, but the rewards are worth it to me. It would suck to loose thousands of bookmarks again. Most gates have a planet near them, so those give you a good spot to dscan from and gather more intel without much effort. It's the ones without nearby celestials that are of the most benefit to camp for the same reason.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:42:00 -
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Bubbles don't kill people, Instalocking lamers do.
The only bad thing about bubbles is they enable terrible pvpers to get easy kills. Other than that it's a major territorial defence mechanic. With the existence of dics and HICs it might be nice to see anchorable bubbles be removed but the only argument I have for that is it makes it easier for me to travel 0.0 solo; and that's not a realistic argument for their removal.
If you are too afraid to travel 0.0 in a fast frig, or even an inty or cloak ship then that is really something you have to come to terms with as a pilot. Removal of bubbles does nothing to remove other scare factors which stop you ever taking a risk. ~_~
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 21/05/2010 22:53:17 Note: I probably profit significantly due to the existence of the warp bubble.
I hate them. They make EVEs version of "space" very un-space like. They are fine outside of stations, and I would have no issue with them somehow being placed at action locations such as asteroid fields and plexes. But they ruin the feeling of space travel otherwise for most people.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
at first when i heard about bubbles in eve i was like great! this sounds like a lot of lols! i love playing with bubbles especially in the bath hehe
well i went out exploring with my friend to 0.0 but well let me tell you this... i wasnt lolling very hard when my stupid ship wouldnt warp away and then evil people just proceeded to mercilessly gank me
i am quite scared of bubbles now
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You should be scared.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.05.21 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Bubbles don't kill people, Instalocking lamers do.
The only bad thing about bubbles is they enable terrible pvpers to get easy kills. Other than that it's a major territorial defence mechanic. With the existence of dics and HICs it might be nice to see anchorable bubbles be removed but the only argument I have for that is it makes it easier for me to travel 0.0 solo; and that's not a realistic argument for their removal.
If you are too afraid to travel 0.0 in a fast frig, or even an inty or cloak ship then that is really something you have to come to terms with as a pilot. Removal of bubbles does nothing to remove other scare factors which stop you ever taking a risk.
This is not shiptoasting..... Look at how clear, concise and well reasoned it is. You even give a helpful recommendation that I would like to second. Have your account credentials been stolen or guessed? At this rate Lana will be along to give advice on 200km gate bookmarks and drag bubble evasion and Captain Pompous will elaborate on the exact math behind using a microwarp drive to burn back to gate.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.21 23:09:00 -
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The first time I hit a bubble I was in my pod running the Kari pipe back up to high sec with a corp mate.
We hit the bubble and I was like what the ****. My corp mate warped back to the previous gate and I, not really knowing what was going on tried to burn to the gate in my pod I got, what I termed at that point, the High Sec Fast Track. I think the offending corp was in KOS at the time.
The second time I was in my cov ops. Not sure where I was, but I warped into the bubble cloaked. There was 25+ ships and drones duking it out. That was an adrenaline filled manual flight toward that gate. I ggot decloaked about 7km out but I was not there long enough for anyone to really notice with the clogged overview
So yes, I do not 'like' bubbles but I see the need for them. I just take the precautions and time to set up my route. I run it during 'off' time for the area or just before or after downtime. I always use intel channels and scouts, when available.
Slade
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Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2010.05.22 00:52:00 -
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Any fast frigate with an improved cloak and MWD can escape out of a bubbled gate. But generally in 0.0 you want create a safe spot, then warp from that to your next gate at 100km and burn out to 150+km and drop another bookmark.
If a system is empty you can warp to zero on a gate, but it's always better to take a bit of time to create safe spots and gate spots, so you can take a bigger ship in later.
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Jo Ka
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:10:00 -
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I went to 0.0 in a shuttle and had no problem at all. Good thing about a shuttle is it's cheap and quick to go into warp and with a JC with no implants it's even better.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:16:00 -
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HATE.
Only because there's no effective anti-warp bubble or comparable tool/technology in-game. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:49:00 -
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Nooma, Nooma, Nooma.
I thought you were better than this ___
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2010.05.22 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg ...there's no effective anti-warp bubble or comparable tool/technology in-game.
Look up "interdiction nullifier." It's a T3 subsystem.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.22 04:53:00 -
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I appreciate all the constructive survival tips. I'll be prepping next time I go into null.
As for the other usual, asinine, flaming remarks, let me just say politely: GFY.
Have a nice day.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.22 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg HATE.
Only because there's no effective anti-warp bubble or comparable tool/technology in-game.
T3 Smart-bombs Shoot the bubble(r)?
Seriously bubbles are not hard to get rid of, or evade completely. Why do you think most battle-fit carriers have smartbombs fitted, its to pop the bubbles!!
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Hou Chao
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Posted - 2010.05.22 10:32:00 -
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You will like it someday .
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.22 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara And, really, is every null-sec entrance point bubbled to hell and back? I think not. People will make every excuse not to venture into null-sec because of the fear of loss. Go with a cheap ship and get over it.
Typical dumb noob.
Is every entrance bubbled no. But if say 25% of them are that a 24% chance you die unless you have a ship purpose built for bubble running. That means a ship severly mimited in other functions - which in turn itself reduces the reasons to go into 0.0/
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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