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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:08:00 -
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What sis there to explore in 0.0??? yep that's a nebula background, that's a planet, that's a Stargate......... 50 jump later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate 70 jumps later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate "you have initiated Self destruct" Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
I agree. I also do not travel to null sec because of the bubbles. If someone wants to point me and stop me from getting away, they should have some interceptors on the gate instead of using a low skill, zero drawback large AoE anchorable.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso What sis there to explore in 0.0??? yep that's a nebula background, that's a planet, that's a Stargate......... 50 jump later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate 70 jumps later thats a nebula background, thats a planet, thats a Stargate "you have initiated Self destruct"
good point
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:13:00 -
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Back when I was in 0.0 I was a covops scout most of the time, a lot of hours were put into making bookmarks near gates in hostile space, like all gates for a whole region (apart from truely useless ones). If you have BM's you can safely warp to them and have a look at the gate and possibly make it through the gate easy. Either because they use sling bubbles and you're on a different angle or because they positioned their ships in the bubble toward the other gate, not the angle you're coming from.
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Gabriel Karade
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:17:00 -
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I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Boo...
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:21:00 -
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10/10 on the OP's trolling.
Many good suggestions in this thread on how to avoid bubble camps. And, really, is every null-sec entrance point bubbled to hell and back? I think not. People will make every excuse not to venture into null-sec because of the fear of loss. Go with a cheap ship and get over it.
Looking at this topic from another perspective, without bubbles (anchored or generated by an interdictor-class ship) catching covert ships is nearly impossible. With bubbles there is a chance (not a guarantee) of catching covert ships.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 21/05/2010 16:50:20
Originally by: Swiftgaze I think it's a hotfix for the lack of proper combat mechanics
Originally by: Gabriel Karade I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Quoting these guys for truth.
On an unrelated note, bubbles should disable MWDs as well as the warp drive. Discuss. -
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Warp bubbles are stupid. Easy mode at it's finest.
It's not fun sitting on a gate at a bubble camp (lived and defended space in syndicate for nearly a year, 24/7 bubblecamps practically).
It's completely ******ed getting caught in one, and just because you brought a cov ops doesn't mean you're getting out with it.
As "necessary" as they might be, they are a lame mechanic and make 0.0 suck that much more.
They should be removed from npc nullsec. Let the sov holders keep em.
Obviously I pretty much hate them completely.
Yeah, because mining does need just one more nerf, right?
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Ur235
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade I was somewhat disappointed when they first came out; the description kind of implied they would actually pull targets out of warp (hello 'proper' ambushes) - not just change where you land on the grid.
Boo...
Thats exactly what I thought, like freelancer 2 where you could shoot the conuits to affect a warp and they would drop out of warp where you were
That wudda been awesome
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Dek Kato
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:27:00 -
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Because not all of the whiners can be trolling; Get over it. I run around null quite a bit and have next to no fear of bubbles. You have to screw up to get caught by one. Stop taking big ships solo and warping straight to gates. An interceptor rarely has an excuse for getting caught by a bubble camp (only one I've lost that way was to an insta-locking sniper camp who nailed me the second I was on grid), and anything CovOps cloaky has an excellent survival rate as well. Is there a guaranteed way to be safe? No. Its called nullsec. Its dangerous. Thats the point. Don't like bubbles? Stay out of null.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Thread locked due to troll convention.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dek Kato Because not all of the whiners can be trolling; Get over it. I run around null quite a bit and have next to no fear of bubbles. You have to screw up to get caught by one. Stop taking big ships solo and warping straight to gates. An interceptor rarely has an excuse for getting caught by a bubble camp (only one I've lost that way was to an insta-locking sniper camp who nailed me the second I was on grid), and anything CovOps cloaky has an excellent survival rate as well. Is there a guaranteed way to be safe? No. Its called nullsec. Its dangerous. Thats the point. Don't like bubbles? Stay out of null.
You aren't kidding anybody. If they weren't so effective people wouldn't waste the time setting them up.
I think you're advice has already been taken, btw. 0.0 = three times bigger than highsec and lowsec combined, yet contains less population than either.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: randomname4me on 21/05/2010 17:58:44
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
You are right warp bubbles are so prevalent at every location one could want to warp in 0.0 you are better off MWDing from place to place. Its amazing how the people who live in 0.0 manage to do anything...
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has degenerated into nothing but spam.
Locked.
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Potrero
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For as much as I would love to explore 0.0 space, I wont because of warp bubbles. I've seen then planted all around gates at the exit point of warp routes.
What's the point when you cant even travel? So I stay out of 0.0 space. I have no incentive to go there.
I like a fight, but using warp bubbles is like beating up a kid in a wheel chair.
Here's what you do.
Get your own warp bubble and a force recon. Go a few jumps into 0.0 along a major pipe and set it up in a drag configuration (ask around if you don't know what this is). When something drops into your bubble try to kill it if you can.
You'll go from hating bubbles to loving them instantly.
On a side note. 1 or 2 jumps out of HED-GP would be a great place for such a drag bubble. That or somewhere in Syndicate.
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:41:00 -
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Too few people are suggesting tactical bookmarks. This saddens me. Every gate in 0.0, and often lowsec, I have at least 1-4 bookmarks at 150-400km off the gate. You have to remake them from time to time as often other people will have bookmarks near yours, but it makes life so much easier. Learn to play the game you keep paying for, or stick to the kiddie pool. It sounds like you've made your decision.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: randomname4me Edited by: randomname4me on 21/05/2010 17:58:44
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 21/05/2010 13:22:46
Originally by: Arthur Frayn A wiser player would fly a covert ops or force recon to do their exploring and evade the warp bubbles by warping to gates from celestial objects which are perpendicular to the direction of travel from his jump in point to the destination gate.
An even wiser player would plant warp bubbles at the exit warp point from celestial objects as well.
I've seen it. Like I said...not worth it.
You are right warp bubbles are so prevalent at every location one could want to warp in 0.0 you are better off MWDing from place to place. Its amazing how the people who live in 0.0 manage to do anything...
Absolutely.
Especially those dreaded entry systems. It only takes a mere 6 large large bubbles to get complete coverage on those gates, so of course thats what EVERYONE does.
I personally can't travel in 0.0 at all now that bubbles have been introduced. Instant death to move, no doubt about it.
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Qolde
Minmatar art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:53:00 -
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I don't have much of a problem with bubbles as they are right now, but that would be kind of interesting if they didnt work in NPC space.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.21 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I think you will find that the majority of players don't have any problems with how they work. The ones that do needs to learn to play the game. L2P for short.
Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
That's easy. Bring six friends.
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Potrero
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Jumping through a gate and into one? If you want to keep going on your merry way then Recon, Blockade Runner, Cov Ops, Stealth Bomber. Align, hit mwd and cloak. Once clear of the bubble then warp. Or use an interceptor.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Jumping through a gate and into one? If you want to turn back around and burn back to your gate then all the ships listed above + fast HAC, Assault Frigate and some battleships.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Landing on one while coming out of warp? All the ships listed above. Burn to the gate. Unless you're cloaked. Then either slow-boat to the gate or warp back out the way you came in.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Avoiding jumping through a gate into one? Use a scout who is skilled at any of the tactics listed above.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Avoiding landing into one coming out of warp? Bookmarks.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Traveling through space and need to prepare for all of the above? Practice.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
Don't like any of these? Saw a Megathron tank six or seven ships once and just fight it's way through.
Originally by: Swiftgaze Enlighten us. How do you escape a gatecamp with a warp bubble and a gang of 5 people?
It's clearly impossible.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.05.21 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 21/05/2010 20:02:07
Originally by: Qolde I don't have much of a problem with bubbles as they are right now, but that would be kind of interesting if they didnt work in NPC space.
Or to twist this another way.
It would be great to have some space where you can attack things without security standing loss, gate guns, and without bubbles.
I don't know if that would mean Adding entirely new space or changing npc 0.0 or low sec rules.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.05.21 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Namira Sable Too few people are suggesting tactical bookmarks. This saddens me. Every gate in 0.0, and often lowsec, I have at least 1-4 bookmarks at 150-400km off the gate. You have to remake them from time to time as often other people will have bookmarks near yours, but it makes life so much easier.
Only reason I won't go to nullsec. I know it sounds lame , but its just very tedious to make a couple book marks for each gate in every system when you just want to travel through but instead have to spend more time burning off grid with an interceptor or covops when you want to use a cruiser. Next thing you know, you have hundreds or thousands of bookmarks you might not of used for months but are to important to get rid of and pray you don't accidently delete them which I did 3 times in a week to warp away from Jita . Then hope that CCP doesn't have a bookmark purge, because with WTZ and removal of deep,deep,deep,deep safes it seems that bookmarks make the server want to vomit every couple years after they build up
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Namira Sable
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:14:00 -
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Yea, it is a big chore, but the rewards are worth it to me. It would suck to loose thousands of bookmarks again. Most gates have a planet near them, so those give you a good spot to dscan from and gather more intel without much effort. It's the ones without nearby celestials that are of the most benefit to camp for the same reason.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:42:00 -
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Bubbles don't kill people, Instalocking lamers do.
The only bad thing about bubbles is they enable terrible pvpers to get easy kills. Other than that it's a major territorial defence mechanic. With the existence of dics and HICs it might be nice to see anchorable bubbles be removed but the only argument I have for that is it makes it easier for me to travel 0.0 solo; and that's not a realistic argument for their removal.
If you are too afraid to travel 0.0 in a fast frig, or even an inty or cloak ship then that is really something you have to come to terms with as a pilot. Removal of bubbles does nothing to remove other scare factors which stop you ever taking a risk. ~_~
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 21/05/2010 22:53:17 Note: I probably profit significantly due to the existence of the warp bubble.
I hate them. They make EVEs version of "space" very un-space like. They are fine outside of stations, and I would have no issue with them somehow being placed at action locations such as asteroid fields and plexes. But they ruin the feeling of space travel otherwise for most people.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
at first when i heard about bubbles in eve i was like great! this sounds like a lot of lols! i love playing with bubbles especially in the bath hehe
well i went out exploring with my friend to 0.0 but well let me tell you this... i wasnt lolling very hard when my stupid ship wouldnt warp away and then evil people just proceeded to mercilessly gank me
i am quite scared of bubbles now
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You should be scared.
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Queue K'Umber
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Posted - 2010.05.21 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Bubbles don't kill people, Instalocking lamers do.
The only bad thing about bubbles is they enable terrible pvpers to get easy kills. Other than that it's a major territorial defence mechanic. With the existence of dics and HICs it might be nice to see anchorable bubbles be removed but the only argument I have for that is it makes it easier for me to travel 0.0 solo; and that's not a realistic argument for their removal.
If you are too afraid to travel 0.0 in a fast frig, or even an inty or cloak ship then that is really something you have to come to terms with as a pilot. Removal of bubbles does nothing to remove other scare factors which stop you ever taking a risk.
This is not shiptoasting..... Look at how clear, concise and well reasoned it is. You even give a helpful recommendation that I would like to second. Have your account credentials been stolen or guessed? At this rate Lana will be along to give advice on 200km gate bookmarks and drag bubble evasion and Captain Pompous will elaborate on the exact math behind using a microwarp drive to burn back to gate.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.21 23:09:00 -
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The first time I hit a bubble I was in my pod running the Kari pipe back up to high sec with a corp mate.
We hit the bubble and I was like what the ****. My corp mate warped back to the previous gate and I, not really knowing what was going on tried to burn to the gate in my pod I got, what I termed at that point, the High Sec Fast Track. I think the offending corp was in KOS at the time.
The second time I was in my cov ops. Not sure where I was, but I warped into the bubble cloaked. There was 25+ ships and drones duking it out. That was an adrenaline filled manual flight toward that gate. I ggot decloaked about 7km out but I was not there long enough for anyone to really notice with the clogged overview
So yes, I do not 'like' bubbles but I see the need for them. I just take the precautions and time to set up my route. I run it during 'off' time for the area or just before or after downtime. I always use intel channels and scouts, when available.
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Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2010.05.22 00:52:00 -
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Any fast frigate with an improved cloak and MWD can escape out of a bubbled gate. But generally in 0.0 you want create a safe spot, then warp from that to your next gate at 100km and burn out to 150+km and drop another bookmark.
If a system is empty you can warp to zero on a gate, but it's always better to take a bit of time to create safe spots and gate spots, so you can take a bigger ship in later.
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Jo Ka
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:10:00 -
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I went to 0.0 in a shuttle and had no problem at all. Good thing about a shuttle is it's cheap and quick to go into warp and with a JC with no implants it's even better.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:16:00 -
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HATE.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.22 01:49:00 -
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Nooma, Nooma, Nooma.
I thought you were better than this ___
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