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B1FF
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Posted - 2010.05.10 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Kascoff I am new to EVE, but, one of the things that really attracted my attention about Eve was the fact that it would be expanding into this area with Incarna. And I can assure you that there are others, that dont play the game, but may do when Incarna is released. It opens up a great deal of options for careers and things to do in Eve, giving a larger spectrum of people something to do other than flying around in space.
While Incarna will introduce WIS, it will still be a space game, but, it will add a layer taking it closer to being a full Science Fiction Sim. WiS could lead to the exploration of unexplored worlds and alien ruins that provide higher tech items. It will lead to people making bars and shops. I cant wait to see a dark, dingy market lining the halls of a rusty Minmatar station searching for modules and parts to tinker with.
In all, Incarna will be a great addition.
What are some of these options? Please link to CCP statements.
Other than walking there are no game mechanics annouced. That means anything you think you can do is wishful thinking. This is the problem with ambulation. They have announced no features. It's impossible to be exicited about it since we don't know what it will be.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.10 19:13:00 -
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Incarna/WIS/Ambulation was all originally announced as something "Entirely Optional" that you could "opt out of" and wouldn't even have to download the client side files if you didn't want to utilise it.
From that day, since CCP saw the large amount of people who said they would be opting out, they appear to be forcefully trying to fit incarna into the game and give it a purpose beyond a proper Avatar system. And at this rate, I doubt I'll be allowed to opt out of the download, _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Iron Mayden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.10 20:00:00 -
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Well...
They have shown bars with dancers... The ability to sell stuff there
And an awsome mini-game akin to Risk...
Specialized in Science, Industry and Trade
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B1FF
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Posted - 2010.05.10 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Mayden Well...
They have shown bars with dancers... The ability to sell stuff there
And an awsome mini-game akin to Risk...
That's a flat out lie. Proof of said minigame please.
As for the others. It's a trick question. They haven't released a signle feature. They've shown some screen shots of tech demos.
That's the major problem here. People take tech demos and in their heads turn them into these huge featuer lists.
Regardless there's no way there are 50-100K people who aren't playing eve simply because they can't dance. That's in direct conflict with the game mechanics of Eve.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2010.05.10 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Incarna/WIS/Ambulation was all originally announced as something "Entirely Optional" that you could "opt out of" and wouldn't even have to download the client side files if you didn't want to utilise it.
From that day, since CCP saw the large amount of people who said they would be opting out, they appear to be forcefully trying to fit incarna into the game and give it a purpose beyond a proper Avatar system. And at this rate, I doubt I'll be allowed to opt out of the download,
If they stick to that design then ambulation can't work. Period.
It will be the eve game and a 3d chat client that you have to stop playing eve to use.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.10 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Iron Mayden Well...
They have shown bars with dancers... The ability to sell stuff there
And an awsome mini-game akin to Risk...
That's a flat out lie. Proof of said minigame please.
As for the others. It's a trick question. They haven't released a signle feature. They've shown some screen shots of tech demos.
No. They've let people play these supposed tech demos ū it looked very much like a game with features to me when I did itą
Oh and if you knew where to look, you'd be able to educate yourself on (some of) what they've said so farą ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
B1FF
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: B1FF on 10/05/2010 21:47:37
Originally by: Tippia No. They've let people play these supposed tech demos * it looked very much like a game with features to me when I did it*
Oh and if you knew where to look, you'd be able to educate yourself on (some of) what they've said so far*
Ok then name a single game feature.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF Ok then name a single game feature.
Watch the videos.
Aside from that: corpse display cases! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kamyyn Foiritain
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: defiler
Originally by: Chribba You're all welcome to Chribba's Veldspar Bar in Amarr!
Serving every drink on the rocks?
All right, all right, I'll shut up (and go sit in the corner with a shot of Veldka.)
HaH, Puntacular!
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.05.10 22:20:00 -
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I wish I could be bothered by this, I really do. But CCP have just pushed everything Incarna/Walking in Stations/Ambulation back so much, I've just stopped being bothered by any of it.
TBH, when it comes out, if it is anything less than absolutely perfect, then I and many others will be pretty annoyed with CCP.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.05.10 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: B1FF Ok then name a single game feature.
Watch the videos.
Aside from that: corpse display cases!
Ah yes, videos of up and coming 'features'. After the unfinished FW, T3, new sov system , and most importantly the pathetic 'pin the tail on the planet' excuse for PI that we're supposed to be getting excited about this patch, you're still believing CCPs hype about new features?
Incarna will be released when WoD is ready, it will be a direct port across, allowing you to change clothes and wander around empty corridors. Ofc there will always be the promise of extra stuff which they won't have had time to finish, no doubt there will be the usual 'now we have a framework that we can build on in the future' platitudes, while they rush into the next shiny expansion, that will no doubt fail to live up to expectations as well.
Eve is getting very full of 'frameworks for the future'
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Lady Kascoff
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Posted - 2010.05.10 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Lady Kascoff I am new to EVE, but, one of the things that really attracted my attention about Eve was the fact that it would be expanding into this area with Incarna. And I can assure you that there are others, that dont play the game, but may do when Incarna is released. It opens up a great deal of options for careers and things to do in Eve, giving a larger spectrum of people something to do other than flying around in space.
While Incarna will introduce WIS, it will still be a space game, but, it will add a layer taking it closer to being a full Science Fiction Sim. WiS could lead to the exploration of unexplored worlds and alien ruins that provide higher tech items. It will lead to people making bars and shops. I cant wait to see a dark, dingy market lining the halls of a rusty Minmatar station searching for modules and parts to tinker with.
In all, Incarna will be a great addition.
What are some of these options? Please link to CCP statements.
Other than walking there are no game mechanics annouced. That means anything you think you can do is wishful thinking. This is the problem with ambulation. They have announced no features. It's impossible to be exicited about it since we don't know what it will be.
I would reply to this by posting the links to the videos where it clearly shows what is already in the Incarna Expanssion, but someone else has beat me to it and saved me the effort.
Might I suggest before you start to comment on something...you learn a little about that something first?
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Sosus Red
Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 23:36:00 -
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hgtdrsers
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Zen Shenron
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Posted - 2010.05.11 00:12:00 -
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I remember a game no longer around that was very much like Eve Online, only you could walk around in stations and fly down to the planets. Earth and Beyond was the name I think. I can't wait till they implement these features myself.
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Faolan Fortune
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Posted - 2010.05.11 01:01:00 -
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Not surprising, on a project this huge there is a hell of a lot of work to be done, CCP are pretty mad for begining it in the first place.
It'll be released eventually, each year brings us closer and it's like waiting for any high profile game... after all it's not really an expansion, it's a game within a game, you can't just add a few models and textures, add some fancy lighting and say it's done.
The work on Incarna really equals the work on a brand new game on the technical side of things... with a lot of Eve mechanics slapped on to bridge the gap between the two worlds. But we've seen it working, being played, it's certainly not vaporware... just another wait like Diablo 3 or Natural Selection 2. Those of us who have been gaming for more than a decade know that wait very well.
I quite like the so far revealed/planned features, though with the criminal underground tone now introduced last year I wonder which ones were changed and kept.
I'm also really curious on this winter 'Incarna related expansion'. Only thing I can think of is that we'll be able to make new avatars Incarna style, a tease of what's to come.
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Ktarr Rakillo
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.11 02:09:00 -
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Actually walking in stations was first raised back in '04, not long after the game officially went retail.
To my mind CCP have pushed this back so far, it's like the child from hell they wish was never born.
Players want it, CCP have a mountain of a task to implement it, so much so that it is a loss maker for them in a big way, after all so many hours of development will at best bring in an extra 2% more players.
Walking in stations requires a huge code change, to which for all the effort it requires, the income generated is miniscule.
So as far as CCP are concerned, its one of those things that gets pushed back and pushed back and pushed back and yet again pushed back.. any maybe pushed back some more.
Will I quit eve over this ? Hell no!
But I have for a very long time treated every thing CCP says with a "yeah whatever" attitude, as they have done to us for a long time.
I play the game for fun, I dont vote in the CSM nor do i get involved with the politics, as far as I see it, when CCP really takes its player base to heart then yeah, ill play a bigger part, but for now, I'll pay to play, but I have absolutely no loyalty really left to CCP having been dragged along for so long.
If walking in stations does come out, ill rethink, until then, like a lot players, ill stick with eve, until something better comes along... bit its not for want of looking.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: TheBlueMonkey My entire eve experience hindges on the release of ****ing in stations...
actually, it doesn't, I'd rather be out blowing **** up rather than walking about a station in empire.
"OH BUT LOOK I'M DANCING!!!!"
Snoo to the zoooze
THANK YOU! Someone else gets it!
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.05.11 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Makar Kravchenko Edited by: Makar Kravchenko on 10/05/2010 06:29:06 This, could be bad for the EVE market. Easy way to spend time in EVE with friends, and not worry about getting blown up, which means less ships getting blown up, which means minerals devalue because of less ships getting blown up, which means cascade failure of the player driven market of EVE.
Wat?
I suppose this is different to the... "Oh a war dec, I'll just log on next week when its over" scenario? Or the whole station camping?
Incarna will be fantastic for those that want it, for me I will probably use it a lot as It will be more interactive than just sitting spinning my ship whilst talking, I could possibly play mini games!
Furthermore... If someone wants to PvP they will, if they don't want to lose their ship they probably will log off or won't even log on in the first place. Incarna will give the people something to do during the war decs for those that don't want to log off and waste a week subscription. I imagine it will save a lot of subs as it will give the game a "new level". I've got to the point I've got enough ISK for what I want and I don't really have any aspirations but I'm only holding onto my sub so I don't lose any training time in the hope I find something cool to do sometime soon. Incarna will actually make use of the game for me currently and I find it better and more interactive if I was to log on and socialise in a station as opposed to being logged off and have you whine about no ships to pew pew.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.05.11 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Iron Mayden Well...
They have shown bars with dancers... The ability to sell stuff there
And an awsome mini-game akin to Risk...
That's a flat out lie. Proof of said minigame please.
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/video/7/Walking_in_stations_1024x576.mov
It's in the last quarter of the movie and it's called "Secwars".
Of course no one knows if it will be in the release but apparently it exists.
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Zofe Stormcaller
Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.05.11 08:43:00 -
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When and if this does get finally released, lets all go to the Veldspar Bar at the same time and see if we can crash Amarr...
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Blane Xero Incarna/WIS/Ambulation was all originally announced as something "Entirely Optional" that you could "opt out of" and wouldn't even have to download the client side files if you didn't want to utilise it.
From that day, since CCP saw the large amount of people who said they would be opting out, they appear to be forcefully trying to fit incarna into the game and give it a purpose beyond a proper Avatar system. And at this rate, I doubt I'll be allowed to opt out of the download,
If they stick to that design then ambulation can't work. Period.
Not necessarily. Wormholes are entirely optional. Planetary interaction will be entirely optional. But the thing is, for each of these entirely optional features, there's something you can only get through using them. CCP's not going to force anyone to use it, but there will certainly be a carrot, as there always is.
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Makar Kravchenko
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Posted - 2010.05.11 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grantara
Originally by: Makar Kravchenko Who knows when we will see Incarna, I'd like to see it, just cause I like new toys. But I wouldn't hold your breath people. DUST514 has to be a success or failure before you will ever see Incarna.
Naa, like EVE and Incarna, DUST and Incarna are two entirely different things. EVE will still be space pewpew, Incarna will be just running around in a station and DUST will be ego-planet-side pewpew.
These draw completely different crowds of people (besides a few who want the full package). Serving a lot of different interests and getting more subscribtions is not a bad thing.
Why are some people so scared of Incarna and hope that it will never come out? Incarna will not affect EVEs gameplay, so they can sit happily in their ships and ignore it.
Personally, I wait for the full package and I will enjoy it. :)
I'm not afraid of it, and I dont think a of people are either. I think there are some who just dont care about it, so they blabber off alarmist jibber.
In my post I just wrote a summary of what I think the general consenses is around the wait time, possible problems, and nature of deployment/implemenation of Incarna will be.
I would mess around with it too man, but I'd much rather be shooting people in space.
I would bet you 500mil isk that the technology built for DUST514 is 90% of what will be used for Incarna. So, yes... you will have to wait for DUST514 before you see Incarna, maybe not wether DUST514 fails or suceeds, but at least untill its in full swing, either up or down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.11 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Makar Kravchenko I would bet you 500mil isk that the technology built for DUST514 is 90% of what will be used for Incarna.
Weeeellą Incarna = in-house engine for use with EVE and WoD; Dust 514 = UnrealEngine 3. Both will use Geomerics' Enlighten, and Dust will inherit some shaders from EVE.
So nahą ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
War Fairy
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: War Fairy on 11/05/2010 18:08:35
Originally by: Makar Kravchenko
I would bet you 500mil isk that the technology built for DUST514 is 90% of what will be used for Incarna. So, yes... you will have to wait for DUST514 before you see Incarna, maybe not wether DUST514 fails or suceeds, but at least untill its in full swing, either up or down.
CCP, would you like to C/D this?
You're completely wrong. CCP said years and years ago it was test tech from their WoD MMPOG engine.
Also the engine for an MPOG and for a FPS are vastly difference on an architectural level.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 18:22:00 -
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Incarna wont be released before the WOD MMO is released.
No way in hell is CCP going to risk Incarna integration into EVE ending up as a giant cluster****, and have all that bad press weighing down on their WOD launch.
At one point they might have dreamed about making Incarna "perfect" before they released it, so there was no chance of that scenario playing out. It's safe to assume that time has passed.
When you see the WOD beta going up, we can start talkng about Incarna again.
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Lord FunkyMunky
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Posted - 2010.05.11 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Iron Mayden Well...
They have shown bars with dancers... The ability to sell stuff there
And an awsome mini-game akin to Risk...
That's a flat out lie. Proof of said minigame please.
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/video/7/Walking_in_stations_1024x576.mov
It's in the last quarter of the movie and it's called "Secwars".
Of course no one knows if it will be in the release but apparently it exists.
dont you love how people talk BS that Incarna is just "walking with no gaming or social" i mean honestly they think 4 years went into walking a cooridoor really?
Incarna has been CONFIRMED< to have rentable offices, rentable business locations, casinos etc that will be stocked and run by actual players/corporations... and yes night clubs with dancing girls...
considering eve is M rated i think, i really hope we gets strip clubs lol, i know im a dirty bastard but hey thats eve for ya :)
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PosterBoyOfNothingMuch
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Posted - 2010.05.11 19:31:00 -
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You think the people holding out for a character they can dress up are going to be interested in any other aspect of the game? Think they'll be keen on mining or scanning down a radar site or being overwatch for a WH op? Yeah, can't wait to have a bunch of THEM to play alongside. :P
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Aloriate
Amarr Big Buck Bunny Interstellar Solo Society
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Posted - 2010.05.11 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Baillif I always wondered if anyone has podded a pregnant capsuleer. Two for one amiright?
That's just wrong.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.05.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lord FunkyMunky
dont you love how people talk BS that Incarna is just "walking with no gaming or social" i mean honestly they think 4 years went into walking a cooridoor really?
Remember all the hype about PI? Sectors, pollution, planetary flight, population control? Years of teasers and fan-fest vids, and what did we get?
Originally by: Lord FunkyMunky Incarna has been CONFIRMED< to have rentable offices, rentable business locations, casinos etc that will be stocked and run by actual players/corporations...
I look forward to you posting links to these confirmed facts
Originally by: Lord FunkyMunky and yes night clubs with dancing girls...
considering eve is M rated i think, i really hope we gets strip clubs lol, i know im a dirty bastard but hey thats eve for ya :)
They removed the Gallente Pleasure Hub station interior because it was too risquT, and you expect dancing girls? Lol, pure lol ------------------------------------
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.11 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Remember all the hype about PI? Sectors, pollution, planetary flight, population control? Years of teasers and fan-fest vids, and what did we get?
Playable demo ≠ "teasers and vids"
Quote: I look forward to you posting links to these confirmed facts
You need to look backwards for that ū they're all there. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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