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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:23:00 -
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I think you've confused JDN with J. JDN is julian date number. J is the year (same as AD or CE).
We need a complete list. These numbers should tell us when on the time line, each system in W-Space was discovered. That should give up a big clue as to who discovered each one.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 27/07/2010 01:10:52 Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 27/07/2010 01:10:13 ORUZE and the image regarding a location that appears to deal a lot with electricity...
O is Ohms R is resistance U is inductance E is electromotive force (differential) or use interchangeably with V for voltage.
Z =
I have seen a lot of electronics formula in the past, but I forget what Z represents.
Expected to find it here, if I am not headed up the wrong tree, but I do recall a handbook on radar equations that uses a Z variable for some measure of electronic variable.
Ahhh Z is impedance! Been away from electronics field too long
O (is Ohms) R (is resistance) U (is inductance) Z (is impedance) E (is voltage)
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Terokone
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 27/07/2010 01:23:13
ORUZE and the image regarding a location that appears to deal a lot with electricity...
O is Ohms R is resistance U is inductance E is electromotive force (differential) or use interchangeably with V for voltage.
Z =
I have seen a lot of electronics formula in the past, but I forget what Z represents.
Expected to find it here, if I am not headed up the wrong tree, but I do recall a handbook on radar equations that uses a Z variable for some measure of electronic variable.
Ahhh Z is impedance! Been away from electronics field too long
O (is Ohms) R (is resistance) U (is inductance) Z (is impedance) E (is voltage)
But this is also affected by culture. U is also voltage, not inductance, which I have also seen as I in some equations.
More formula
my math is off. I think all cultures should be compared because the letter constants and variable for these Ohm's law equations will differ.
More general here.
'L' is inductance, really/as well. It's dependent upon which electronic standards you're using. I've only ever known 'U' for printed circuit board silkscreen labeling for a microchip. 'I' is commonly current. But again, it's dependent upon electronic standards.
But the most common basic electronic mathematic symbols are: V, E - Voltage (Volts) I - Current (Amps, Amperes) R - Resistance (Ohms) Z - Impedance (Ohms) L - Inductance (Henries) C - Capacitance (Farads)
(Learning primarily American standards of electronic technology and having a professor who learned via the European standards and accidentally uses the European standards in class is fun!)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Terokone
(Learning primarily American standards of electronic technology and having a professor who learned via the European standards and accidentally uses the European standards in class is fun!)
I feel for you. I learned through military avionics - now imagine such a field of electronics being trained at a 9th grade reading and math level.
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Ripi
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:45:00 -
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Please Dropbear, this has been the longest you've ever stayed quiet. Please at least give us some cryptic hint to point us in the right direction. I dont know how many more unrelated tangents we could possibly go down.
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Kelli Alisor
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kelli Alisor on 27/07/2010 16:21:52 There were some mumbles in this thread regarding the relationship between Sansha's Nation and the Jove, so with that said here's an EVE news story:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3967&tid=4
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DmD666
House Mjollnir
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ripi Please Dropbear, this has been the longest you've ever stayed quiet. Please at least give us some cryptic hint to point us in the right direction. I dont know how many more unrelated tangents we could possibly go down.
I actually put in a petition asking Dropbear to post and Zymurgist said he would past it along to Dropbear.
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Sonkut
Minmatar The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:01:00 -
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IÆm going to have a poke at making some thoughts known, whether they are right or not. I will try to stray away from making dodgy story assumptions as I did last time. However I can say IÆm going to make this titanic thread that bit longer with an equally matched titan post. I am trying to put together substantial amounts of what you have mentioned into a more complete stab in the dark.
Right, where to start, I think the best place is with the Jove as thatÆs what I think this whole lot is about.
What do we know of the Jove, they had 3 empires. The first disappeared, we donÆt know why, they were the largest Jove Empire. The second caught a dose of plague which IÆm fairly certain is assumed to be the sleeper race(please see Jove branch û Stasis people) I believe this is confirmed by Dropbear in his last post here:
The third is the current generation of Jove, still suffering from a bit of illness here and there but substantially smaller than any previous empire. We also know they are fighting an enemy (the order/ Enheduanni) that are more advanced than they are.
Ok, here is my only assumption of what is going on, I will do my best to give reasons for it. The Jove have always been at war with the Enheduanni, the first war destroyed their first empire. The second war left their empire largely intact where the Jove had hidden away with help from the Talocan, in preparation for another assault (which is why we find their ships, canÆt prove that one but they knew about wormhole Tech ). Which is why we have these prepared defensive positions: Perimeter Camp, Outpost Frontier Stronghold, Fortification Frontier Stronghold, Core Bastion ETC..
Why was their empire largely intact? Because why get involved when you can just send in a plague more advanced than your enemy can combat. This could also be said in reverse, the Talocan ships could have been the delivery method, meant to intrigue the Jove into boarding then leaving and taking the disease back with them.
If Jove were seen as a threat and destroyed once, then rebuilt, you donÆt want to have to keep coming back to beat your enemy down, you want to introduce something to stop them getting too big. Hence small third empire still suffering disease.
Also again, the other 3 advanced empires we know about, Talocan, Yan Jung and TakMahl also all vanished as far as we can tell. They are simply not around anymore. The only problem with my Theory is that the current Jove Disease is supposed to be the result of their DNA experiments.
Also on other subjects mentioned, regarding this:
I think the 4th could mean wormholes themselves are they are created by radiation (or whatever) and they consume anything, they appear everywhere like mouths. They can be said to be nothing and they are everywhere, hence: ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö. Although that could also be said to be sansha as he has an appetite for the world and everything in it.
I donÆt think 5th has happened yet.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: DmD666
Originally by: Ripi Please Dropbear, this has been the longest you've ever stayed quiet. Please at least give us some cryptic hint to point us in the right direction. I dont know how many more unrelated tangents we could possibly go down.
I actually put in a petition asking Dropbear to post and Zymurgist said he would past it along to Dropbear.
There's only one way to summon a Dropbear.
*slathers thread in vegemite*
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:27:00 -
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I posted a little bit in another thread just now.
The rest of this post is now dedicated to Vegemite.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear I posted a little bit in another thread just now.
The rest of this post is now dedicated to Vegemite.
There is a issue/question that I think you need to consider responding to.
Is the placement of W-space on the same plane/map around 1K light years from New Eden a result of programming pragmatism on the part of devs.
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Qujulome
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
There's only one way to summon a Dropbear.
*slathers thread in vegemite*
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Geldar Wroontik
Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.30 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu There's only one way to summon a Dropbear.
*slathers thread in vegemite*
I thought Dropbears were attracted by naive female European tourists, rather than Vegemite.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear I posted a little bit in another thread just now.
The rest of this post is now dedicated to Vegemite.
Classic ad, hideous spread. Cannot stand Vegemite. Give me Nutella any day. ---
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Helena Ianikova
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Geldar Wroontik
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu There's only one way to summon a Dropbear.
*slathers thread in vegemite*
I thought Dropbears were attracted by naive female European tourists, rather than Vegemite.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear I posted a little bit in another thread just now.
The rest of this post is now dedicated to Vegemite.
Classic ad, hideous spread. Cannot stand Vegemite. Give me Nutella any day.
I only hope you don't accidentally attract the even more elusive and dangerous Dropshark.
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Aries Kilamio
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Posted - 2010.08.04 13:38:00 -
[525]
So now that we know that the meaning or Oruze is sun and from what Dropbear is saying we need to try and draw parallels between wormholes and what we know lets keep the discussions going. Maybe the reason they have seemed to stop the Sansha live events is because they are waiting for us to discover something in the wormholes that is related to them.
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Helena Ianikova
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Posted - 2010.08.04 13:55:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Aries Kilamio So now that we know that the meaning or Oruze is sun and from what Dropbear is saying we need to try and draw parallels between wormholes and what we know lets keep the discussions going. Maybe the reason they have seemed to stop the Sansha live events is because they are waiting for us to discover something in the wormholes that is related to them.
There's been some events over the past couple days.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:04:00 -
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I think that your digging too deep in one respect, the Jove are likely in thrall to the Sleepers.. Remember how the Ammar keep their Matari slaves in line? I recall Vitoc being stressed by someone in the early threads, the Sleepers were or are masters of genetic manipulation. Hence the genetic "disease" the Jove suffer from. Perhaps the Sleepers are even Jove that the emergent civilisation of drones reanimates for some purpose.. I also believe a GM hinted about Dune. The entire universe was in the thrall of Spice, the Bene Gesserit had a Breeding Program running.. Sansha's are Cyborgs, a melding of machine and human, much as we pod pilots are becoming, via technology donated to us from the Jove.. Just a few of my observations, I'll go back to lurking now..
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Unknown94
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:08:00 -
[528]
Edited by: Unknown94 on 09/08/2010 05:08:31 I only read about 10 pages, so forgive me if someone already said this.
Could the sleepers be Terran?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:12:00 -
[529]
Oh and has anyone tried firing a laser at the construct?
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ExookiZ
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Posted - 2010.08.15 03:08:00 -
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confirming that all known forms of ewar and damage has no effect on most sleeper/talocan structures. Many radr and magnometric site's feature ruined versions, which are susceptible to damage. detailed experiments have revealed no data, drops etc.
the only building we have ever killed that gave something was the engineering hub at integrated terminuses, which no longer exist =[.
forgive me if it has been mentioned i read the first 15 pages but have only skimmed the last 3, just throwing this out there for those of you that may be able to use it...
The yan Jung are also in wormhole space, their ruins can be found at select C5/C6 sites. since CCP said everything out here is for a reason i take that it isnt just them being lazy and reusing yan jung models.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:17:00 -
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I'd like to know more about this Yan Jung stuff.
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ExookiZ
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Posted - 2010.08.17 15:11:00 -
[532]
i dont really have much more intel besides some of the class 5 mag/radars have a "space stone henge" with the description "archaic reminder of olde" or something extremely close to that.
I suddenly recognized them while running a yan jung COSMOS mission, the "yan jung ruins" have a description of "archaic reminder of olde" have use the exact same model.
i assumed that CCP changed the name of the Stonehenge so it at least isnt a dead giveaway, however to my knowledge there is very little evidence of them out anywhere besides a couple radar/mag sites. i havent done many c6s myself so someone may have seen them there as well.
seeing as CCP claims everything is here for a reason i assume that the stone henge has meaning.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.08.17 15:21:00 -
[533]
I can confirm the same Stonehenge ruins with the strange spinning object is found in at Yan Jung Sites and in wspace. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: ExookiZ i dont really have much more intel besides some of the class 5 mag/radars have a "space stone henge" with the description "archaic reminder of olde" or something extremely close to that.
It's another of those celestial clock themes.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.18 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey I can confirm the same Stonehenge ruins with the strange spinning object is found in at Yan Jung Sites and in wspace.
I find this incredibly significant, since it's something that hasn't been mentioned widely yet and has a lot of impact on our study of the Sleepers. Up until now, we've connected the Talocan with the Sleepers so thoroughly that we've almost left out room for anyone else.
Posters have already commented that Yan Jung technology could be easily responsible for the longevity of the Sleeper drones. What other ancient races were/are connected with Anoikis? Has another seen any signs of the other two missing ancient human races?
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Eurulf Ofinur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.18 09:15:00 -
[536]
Not directly related to w-space, but as far as I recall from the time I spent in Querious, the Space Stonehenges can be found in Blood Raider anomaly sites as well. I'm not familiar with the Yan Jung so I can't say what the significance is, if any. Though they're definitely a weird thing to have just randomly lying around.
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Kyonoke Kuvakei
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Posted - 2010.08.18 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kyonoke Kuvakei on 18/08/2010 10:11:55 My apologies, but this is the ramblings of too much caffene and too little sleep (and not enough getting out of this clottin' lab).
Something leaped into my mind as I was showering... thinking about the locus numbers and the gaps. Firstly, why do we even have locuses we can agree with? One would think that ad-hoc exploration would give hundreds of possible naming conventions, but instead we have a standard J0123456 naming set. I believe the reason is something we haven't noticed. Our ships, all of them, tie in with the local fluid routers to get local information and targeting interlocks. We know roughly how this works and we can override it at need, with SBUs and the like in outlaw space. What if our own ships are tying in with some kind of basic system out in Wspace? A basic bit of hardware that says "This is J554339." We know that our hardware is, with some work, compatible with technology found inside wormhole space. Are our NeoComms doing this without our notice? We know that the Sleepers use fluid router technology compatible with our own, and based on the same scientific tenets.
The second thing, that leapt to mind afterwards refers to the 'gaps' in the locus numbers. Two sets of unbroken gaps, references to locuses that we have never been to. More systems with sleeper hardware?
My mind then leapt to point three; Where is all the infrastructure? Everything we have found in wormhole space so far are small structures and collections of hardware that resemble the smaller re-deployable stations we all have access to. Power stations, engineering bays and research labs. No major refinery structures, no manufacturing plants, no anything. A space faring civilization needs considerable infrastructure to exist. We might be able to survive in outlaw space, but we cannot thrive and develop in the same manner as a civilization with a solid orbital and -planetary- backbone like the empires. Not to the degree that the Sleepers seem to have done. So where IS their backbone?
I think the answer lies in the unknown locuses. The sites we've found have been called perimeter, core, and frontier. We've been assuming that they refer to an absolute distance, but what if it's relative? That they're all 'around' the core of the Sleeper civilization, the unseen backbone?
Someone else here postulated that the Sleepers and the Jove were in conflict, and the Sleepers were pushed back to wormhole space. What if, the Sleepers were pushed back to this unknown core. They developed and deployed these sleeper drones to explore and identify resources they needed to continue the war, or to rebuild. Some unknown calamity then struck, and the Sleeper Core made a decision: Cripple the exploration groups to save themselves. They struck, stripping out from the drones anything to do with jump drives, or how to return to the core. Some people, a lot of people, were trapped out in the exploration zone, techs responsible for monitoring the drones. Slowly their technology broke down, their social structures began to turn on one another. Eventually they built something that they felt could save them until the return of the Sleeper Core Systems. And somewhere in this mess was a failsafe to reconnect them to New Eden.
I need some sleep...
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Ripi
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kyonoke Kuvakei Edited by: Kyonoke Kuvakei on 18/08/2010 10:11:55 My apologies, but this is the ramblings of too much caffene and too little sleep (and not enough getting out of this clottin' lab).
Something leaped into my mind as I was showering... thinking about the locus numbers and the gaps. Firstly, why do we even have locuses we can agree with? One would think that ad-hoc exploration would give hundreds of possible naming conventions, but instead we have a standard J0123456 naming set. I believe the reason is something we haven't noticed. Our ships, all of them, tie in with the local fluid routers to get local information and targeting interlocks. We know roughly how this works and we can override it at need, with SBUs and the like in outlaw space. What if our own ships are tying in with some kind of basic system out in Wspace? A basic bit of hardware that says "This is J554339." We know that our hardware is, with some work, compatible with technology found inside wormhole space. Are our NeoComms doing this without our notice? We know that the Sleepers use fluid router technology compatible with our own, and based on the same scientific tenets.
The second thing, that leapt to mind afterwards refers to the 'gaps' in the locus numbers. Two sets of unbroken gaps, references to locuses that we have never been to. More systems with sleeper hardware?
My mind then leapt to point three; Where is all the infrastructure? Everything we have found in wormhole space so far are small structures and collections of hardware that resemble the smaller re-deployable stations we all have access to. Power stations, engineering bays and research labs. No major refinery structures, no manufacturing plants, no anything. A space faring civilization needs considerable infrastructure to exist. We might be able to survive in outlaw space, but we cannot thrive and develop in the same manner as a civilization with a solid orbital and -planetary- backbone like the empires. Not to the degree that the Sleepers seem to have done. So where IS their backbone?
I think the answer lies in the unknown locuses. The sites we've found have been called perimeter, core, and frontier. We've been assuming that they refer to an absolute distance, but what if it's relative? That they're all 'around' the core of the Sleeper civilization, the unseen backbone?
Someone else here postulated that the Sleepers and the Jove were in conflict, and the Sleepers were pushed back to wormhole space. What if, the Sleepers were pushed back to this unknown core. They developed and deployed these sleeper drones to explore and identify resources they needed to continue the war, or to rebuild. Some unknown calamity then struck, and the Sleeper Core made a decision: Cripple the exploration groups to save themselves. They struck, stripping out from the drones anything to do with jump drives, or how to return to the core. Some people, a lot of people, were trapped out in the exploration zone, techs responsible for monitoring the drones. Slowly their technology broke down, their social structures began to turn on one another. Eventually they built something that they felt could save them until the return of the Sleeper Core Systems. And somewhere in this mess was a failsafe to reconnect them to New Eden.
I need some sleep...
In your sleepless ramble i think you have brought up an important point. I think that the mirror is that central structure that links the central node (sleeper homebase) to the wormhole space. The mirror is what is protected by these outer systems (frontier, perimeter etc) because it is the doorway to the central system(s). Just another thought. I think the sun is somehow tied to activating this mirror.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.18 14:57:00 -
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Is there a list of all the C6s and their respective anomalies? Maybe there's one C6 that stands out.
After all, Burreau did send back a locus signature as her final message. Maybe that message was the ID of the wormhole system with the door further in.
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Solden Koopjes
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Posted - 2010.08.19 09:19:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Nathan Jameson After all, Burreau did send back a locus signature as her final message. Maybe that message was the ID of the wormhole system with the door further in.
erm wait whut? where? how? more info plx!
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