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Segitek
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:26:00 -
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I like cloaked flying a lot, however soloing with bomber is not exactly easy, basicaly you have to pick mainly larger targets. So, there Force Recon ship comes to my mind... Is Force Recon good for solo killing smaller targets? Or it¦s just fleet ship?
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:35:00 -
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Force recons are fine for solo work so long as you are smart about the ships you go after. A Pilgrim is probably the best choice because, it has a wonderful mix of drones, cap hurting, and turret EWAR. It lacks the range that the other recons can fight at, but is a nasty ship up close. I will personally take on pretty much any turret ship in a Pilgrim.
The Rapier is also capable, but they cannot take on the larger ships that a Pilgrim can. The Rapier can use webs at long point range, fit Arties, and can field a nice flight of drones so they are fairly good at going after cruiser and smaller ships and can usually get out of a fight if things go wrong.
An Arazu can also fight at longer ranges, but have a bit harder time against faster ships. They can fit a nice shield buffer and hold a nice long point on things, but you can solo with them if you are careful. Arazu's make arguably the best small gang soucts in the game with a probe launcher and their long point abilities.
The Falcon generally is not a good solo choice. It has anemic DPS compared to the other force recons, but that being said in a 1v1 fight the other person will be lucky to even lock you once. Great for ransoming if you are into that sort of thing (Of course I'm a pirate so I am!)
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Monica Curie
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:36:00 -
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I like roaming in my rapier, you can catch some frigates / destroyers off guard.
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DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:40:00 -
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not the the falcon
pilgrim rapier is nice solo
having hard time with the arazu at solo pvp (staying out of web#scrambler and inside your uber scrambler range)
problem with pilgrim is by the time you uncloak , lock and get there cap dry , they have run out of point range.
but a rapier uncloaking and putting 2x web on a frig sized ship is pretty much a sure win . just dont get scrambled and keep disruptor range 15-20km
alos ever tough of insured tech 1 cruisers ? sure you die each time you jump in a blob , but so what it cost crap
assault launcher caracal , barage rupture , plate vexors even thrashers
a few ships that can turn frigs into dust
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: DONJUAN v not the the falcon
pilgrim rapier is nice solo
having hard time with the arazu at solo pvp (staying out of web#scrambler and inside your uber scrambler range)
problem with pilgrim is by the time you uncloak , lock and get there cap dry , they have run out of point range.
but a rapier uncloaking and putting 2x web on a frig sized ship is pretty much a sure win . just dont get scrambled and keep disruptor range 15-20km
alos ever tough of insured tech 1 cruisers ? sure you die each time you jump in a blob , but so what it cost crap
assault launcher caracal , barage rupture , plate vexors even thrashers
a few ships that can turn frigs into dust
Pretty much every solo Pilgrim setup has a Scram, Web, and AB fit. The Rapier is the better choice for going after the smaller ships, but a Pilgrim is fully capable of fighting Battleships, Battlecruisers, HAC's, etc. Rapiers not so much.
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:47:00 -
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Pilgrim is the least fleet-oriented of the four.
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Gunner77
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:21:00 -
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Rapier is great for picking on on frigs. All AB setups will die horribly and non-inty MWD setups (mmmmm, Navy Slicers) will get annihilated by your guns due to their inflated sig radius and slow speed with webs on them. You can also put a probe launcher on a Rapier so you can hunt people in safe spots.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenesa
The Falcon generally is not a good solo choice. It has anemic DPS compared to the other force recons, but that being said in a 1v1 fight the other person will be lucky to even lock you once. Great for ransoming if you are into that sort of thing (Of course I'm a pirate so I am!)
320+ DPS Blaster Falcon says 'Hello'... ------------------------------------
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Mordican
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Ravenesa
The Falcon generally is not a good solo choice. It has anemic DPS compared to the other force recons, but that being said in a 1v1 fight the other person will be lucky to even lock you once. Great for ransoming if you are into that sort of thing (Of course I'm a pirate so I am!)
320+ DPS Blaster Falcon says 'Hello'...
Prove it, post a fit
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mordican Prove it, post a fit
Easily doable... 3x Neutron II, 2x MagStabs. Shield/ECM tank to taste. I wouldn't fly it myself, but it could appeal to the more suicidally brave.
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Alsyth on 29/04/2010 00:58:02 Edited by: Alsyth on 29/04/2010 00:56:26
Originally by: Mordican
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Ravenesa
The Falcon generally is not a good solo choice. It has anemic DPS compared to the other force recons, but that being said in a 1v1 fight the other person will be lucky to even lock you once. Great for ransoming if you are into that sort of thing (Of course I'm a pirate so I am!)
320+ DPS Blaster Falcon says 'Hello'...
Prove it, post a fit
If should be able to figure it yourself. 2 mag stab, 3 heavy neutrons, 2 hob and you have 307. Add harwirings, you're done. You can even put a HAM in the remaining high, and still fit DCII, AB/scramble/web, LSE and 3 multi,k 2 ECM strenght rigs.
15k EHP, 350 dps, 3 good multi (9 strenght). Avoid drones :')
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.29 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
320+ DPS Blaster Falcon says 'Hello'...
Classifies as anemic still, but ok. The Pilgrim is still tbh a better choice generally speaking since it zaps you dry (so bye bye hardeners, any tank, and even eventually DC) and can take drone DPS better, and most importantly, TDs & neuts always work.
With 3, say, 9 strenght multispecs there's a ~10% chance you'll fail three jams in succession vs a BC-sized target which with your EHP and drones eating it slowly could lead to you randomly dying to stuff (or not if you're aligned and on the ball, but then count on even less DPS as being both aligned to warpoff and maintaining optimal range for medium blasters won't happen).
Relying on chance-based mechanics for survival is a bit meh, basically.
I've actually ran into one of these things in a BC and it warped off because it didn't like the drones pounding on it and figured it'd lose jams before it killed a platecane.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
320+ DPS Blaster Falcon says 'Hello'...
Classifies as anemic still, but ok. The Pilgrim is still tbh a better choice generally speaking since it zaps you dry (so bye bye hardeners, any tank, and even eventually DC) and can take drone DPS better, and most importantly, TDs & neuts always work.
With 3, say, 9 strenght multispecs there's a ~10% chance you'll fail three jams in succession vs a BC-sized target which with your EHP and drones eating it slowly could lead to you randomly dying to stuff (or not if you're aligned and on the ball, but then count on even less DPS as being both aligned to warpoff and maintaining optimal range for medium blasters won't happen).
Relying on chance-based mechanics for survival is a bit meh, basically.
I've actually ran into one of these things in a BC and it warped off because it didn't like the drones pounding on it and figured it'd lose jams before it killed a platecane.
Your cane is very mean...
I wouldn't use that Falcon to be honest. But it can solo say, lots of Cruisers and with luck some BCs.
TDs always works, except on drones and missiles :D
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:29:00 -
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Just checking in to say the Pilgrim is pure win. You can take on basically any sub-capital you like fit for PVE mode (Raven=no prob....Drake=headache but you get there in the end) and most pvp-fit stuff (avoid missile *****s...icky).
Downside=you have to catch the target first which is tough to do in a little piggy like the Pilgrim. But hey I've managed to land on unsuspecting Vagabond, random inty etc and nuke them so go for it!
:lolprotip: while the Pilgrim cannot enter a lot of the FW plexy things you can still park on the acceleration gate and snaggle...whatever.
also...fit probes. You'll be glad you did.
Rapier is way meh for solo-v-big stuff since web balance and while Arazu works you have to be very VERY careful the target does not MWD up your butt and fry you
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:17:00 -
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If you REALLY wanted to, I guess you could do this with a falcon
[Falcon, Falco....what?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
310~ DPS, 49k EHP, pointor scram/MWD
(If I ever get enough isk to blow away, I'm so fitting this thing out) ------------------------
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:30:00 -
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[Falcon, blasters] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x2
321 DPS, fit ECM to taste. It does rely on the ECM as a tank, keep the drones for anti-drone work.
The Pilgrim is better solo, but the no-one expects a Falcon to start orbiting a couple of kms away, which makes it a tad more fun
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.04.30 02:31:00 -
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Falcon, 1 reason. If they cant lock u they cant scram u, so if u see a local spike u can warp off to a ss and cloak.
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Hungry Jim
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:24:00 -
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The best Rapier solo fit
[Rapier, best of the best solo] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse [Falcon, blasters] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x2
321 DPS, fit ECM to taste. It does rely on the ECM as a tank, keep the drones for anti-drone work.
The Pilgrim is better solo, but the no-one expects a Falcon to start orbiting a couple of kms away, which makes it a tad more fun
4 Racial ECM is better than 4 multispec.
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yfz3r0
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith If you REALLY wanted to, I guess you could do this with a falcon
[Falcon, Falco....what?] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2
310~ DPS, 49k EHP, pointor scram/MWD
(If I ever get enough isk to blow away, I'm so fitting this thing out)
You're doing it wrong. Fit some ECM.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.30 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse [Falcon, blasters] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x2
321 DPS, fit ECM to taste. It does rely on the ECM as a tank, keep the drones for anti-drone work.
The Pilgrim is better solo, but the no-one expects a Falcon to start orbiting a couple of kms away, which makes it a tad more fun
4 Racial ECM is better than 4 multispec.
Bolded, underlined, italicized the part you missed.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.04.30 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
4 Racial ECM is better than 4 multispec.
I know, I know, EFT just happened to have 4 multi's when I grabbed the fit. I always agonize over which mods to bring, and then always end up with the wrong ones! ------------------------------------
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.04.30 20:07:00 -
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That's not true when you know you'll have only one target and you don't need the extra range, though.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.30 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/04/2010 20:48:06 4 multispecs have a (marginally, true) higher to jam chance vs a single ship then 4 racials.
Tbh, it still sucks that if you're not going to be aligned (and then you'll be out of medium blaster optimal in no time) you could very well die in a ball of fire if you get unlucky (statistically bound to happen).
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DXYOC
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Posted - 2010.05.01 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: DXYOC on 01/05/2010 14:06:32 Not exacly recon but but its cloacky and doesn't cost a fortune for what it does.
[Proteus, Cloaky] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
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