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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 20/04/2010 20:16:20
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
Sure thing I am wrong. That's why after reading post from some Panda guy I took another 10 minutes and produced another "Photoshopped" picture on singularity : http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=9237 gg thx no re. PS. To clear up things, left window "invisible ninja", right window test char watching local.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: slackjawed Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03 more proof of that damn hacker
It doesnt work this way. Exploiter is disconnected from local channel, ergo he is unable to see or send any messages.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
This is **** quality. Better one : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/victim.avi
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 cheat
I only see claims of bug reports and fake screenshoots, lolvideos and lot of russian sweat.
CCP said anything yet? :3
So far the report is classified as "attached to the defect". Give developers time, as i can guess they are still sleeping :P
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Klezmer Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish.
Well, due to some stupid reason I value my accounts that's why I am not exploiting on Tranq. Personally I hope that bug will be fixed asap, parties who lost some assets because of it reimbursed, exploiters - banned and we can close this topic.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 06:08:03
Originally by: Creamster Can you believe these people?
A freaking machariel is coming to get them with only 2 ships by its side! No matter how he's doing it you still can take it down, tackle it and cyno in a carrier ffs. Once you kill him he's unlikely to bother you again.
Drop that victim mentality already.
<3 Tasai
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Creamster
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 06:08:03
<3 Tasai
Huh?
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Well, I'd still be worried if I was you.
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
In Evil Thugs own words, he's an idiot for only doing this much with it.
So...
I guess all you guys that purposely started trying to dupe the client into taking you out of local may in fact have some explaining to do to keep those accounts running, bug report or not, you purposefully, and maliciously attempted to cheat the game, because you couldn't fit your head around what he was doing.
Oh lord if they ban you.
I expect the thread to die down now that the money backing it knows whats going on, and can attempt to counter it.
I guess you fail at damage control. Now you have accepted the fact that exploit exist, make a next step. And. Getting a ban for bug reporting would be a funny experience :)
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
^^ This. And nothing mobilizes a bunch of hackers as much as another hacker cutting into their pockets, and ego. :)
Cut the pocket part ~ Only ego. I was asked for release of the exploit, but thanks no thanks. :)
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karnitha Edited by: Karnitha on 21/04/2010 12:05:48 I, for one, cannot wait for all the bugs/exploits that the Russians have dug up to be fixed, only to have The Scope of Monkeys continue on his ravenous Raven rampages.
Edit: Never stop believing (that The Monkeyshephere is exploiting)!
In fact that's a win win situation. Less cheaters both sides of the fence.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma I like how huhuhu admits to manipulating the EVE client and then posts a screen shot and avi incriminating himself.
It is absolutely legal to discover exploit on test server and submit it to developers without disclosing details to the public. bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 14:00:52
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Hello, I can do that too:
'Proof'
What Really Happened
(since so many people seem to have missed it) (PS: you can 'remaster' raw fraps footage by frapsing direct from Windows Media Player)
fun fun fun. guys like you literally need to put their fingers into Christ wounds. well, given publicity it gets, cat will be out of the bag in a couple of days and then we can discuss this matter again.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake
I will believe it if you can make a 3rd video where you do the following: 1) Set window transparency to Full (so you can see straight through at the BG) and have Local open 2) Have the 'invisible pilot warp in, lock you up and begin attacking you all without appearing in local Can you do that?
Oh, Foma, Foma, I hope CCP will forgive my transgression and allow me to abuse SISI once more this evening. You will see how CONCORD deals with those local abusing ninjas.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:20:00 -
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Just to clear things up. About "russian proved how to cheat". In eve-ru thread and here a lot of people said - There Is No Local Exploit. Learn to play newbs. The whole point of investigation was to prove them wrong. It took exactly 2 hours for the first proof of concept and another hour today to refine solution a bit. It did not involve any massive effort or background work reverse-engineering. Thread with monkey gave direction, and bug was right there. So I believe this exploit or its variation can be used by some people on live, and this should be stopped.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:29:00 -
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Actually we have taken the footage today in the wormhole. we have taken the footage today in the wormhole. taken the footage today in the wormhole. today in the wormhole. today in the wormhole. wormhole.
There is no exploit, move along people.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Uhm. CCP should ban their QA department for they are exploiting non-stop ~
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Have the guys hacking the client managed to make a fraps yet where they are not in local and then appear just before they scramble the macro bot? Don't they all say he is local when he tackles them, bit like what happens when you log in...
The hack they are using to make the crappy "proof" vids needs a restart before the pilot appears in local. So basically nothing like what monkey is doing unless he can manage to relog his client while still keeping the bot tackled, maybe that's another exploit you should look into.
No this "hack" doesnt need restart. It requires only pressing one more button to reappear in local. If you want demonstration will be made today evening.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Sorry to break in the e-drama, but I think you and others got very succesfully trolled.
Not only trolled, but also a number of people here have been socially engineered into going beyond simple "macro" usage (that CCP CBA to pursue enough since they earn money on that) and developing a real and grave exploit engine, to dig yourself a deeper hole for CCP to see.
for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see.
That's exactly what i am trying to do. There is a bug and it needs to be fixed. That's all. If you ever see me or anyone else on tranq exploiting - petition immediatly. Singularity is a test server, made with intention of finding bugs and exploits. made with intention of finding bugs and exploits. with intention of finding bugs and exploits. intention of finding bugs and exploits. bugs and exploits.
bye for now.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremey
What deeper hole? Detecting an exploit on test server and instantly reporting it via bugreport and petition (which has been done here by eve-ru enthusiasts) is perfectly fine.
Exactly. Test server is actually used as intended. Breaking news at 11.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Yes all exploits are bad but I want more evidence as most of this topic is just mud flinging. I spent quite a while with that youtube vid to see if it could be faked. My conclution was that what I saw could be put down to lag as that local chat delay has happened to me a few times. I want another test done with the target in a belt.
Oh gosh. Another smartass. Do i have to demonstrate it to all the eve in person before you believe ~ Belt so be it. Ibis jumps to belt invisible in local, attacks, get concorded and then appears in local. Good enough for you, Mr. Foma ?
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ah ah I give up.
*Ponders at uranium density and finds it's not so high after all*
I'll just take a seat and enjoy the show now .
So you're talking out of your ass, as its bloody easy to paste link to "radioactive" post.
Bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Nothing smartass about it. If you want me convinced you have to give me the evidence to support your case. The best thing would be two vids, one from the target and one from the ibis jumping into system, scanning the belts for the target and then warping and attacking to make it as realistic as you can.
Who are you to spend my valuable time and time of my associate. So. Exploit demonstration request fullfillment : 250M isk transferred to huhuhuhu and you get your video. Bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
See now your shooting yourself in the foot by refusing. How can you expect me to belive you?
Transfer isk, get video. I will even attach Lenin's portrait as a freebie.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Wispa
Apparently it took them 1hr to demonstrate the proof of concept and another 1hr to develop the working prototype.
Obviously the russians people doing this had the tremendous advantage of studying the Eve Client for years and developing macro programs, it would take anyone else considerably longer to manage this.
It's occured to me that the unfair reputation of being a bunch of rule bending loggoffski russians is perhaps a little unfair. Perhaps they weren't logging off after all, just choosing not to appear in local at that time. They do afterall seem to know a considerable amount about the subject and this would explain why they are so sure that this guy is doing something wrong. Afterall, if anyone would know for sure, they would.
Hello clueless guy. My IQ is more than average, but I look like Sir Isaak Newton compared to you. Anyone with brain given the direction can tackle the problem. You obviously cannot and just spew biased accusations out of your arse.
bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Wispa
It's not.
This is what has been said in this thread, you knocked up a similar program to what this monkey guy is presumed to use in 2 hours
Impossible for someone who is not familiar with the client code, pretty easy for someone who's been retroengineering it and making macro's for years.
What you're talking about is "good cheating" vs "evil cheating" oblivious to the fact that its all cheating
Hello.
Actually its good that some stupid people think that simple things require tremendous qualification. My only handicap - 10+ years as software engineer and 4+ years in telecom, so I am quite familiar with debugging network protocols given total lack of documentation. (Hello ALU - those were great years :) )
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned Honestly, tho, really... anything that allows people to sneak up on annoying macro'd ratters, miners, what have you is a good thing and I applaud whomever had the ingenuity to figure out how.
If you bend a rules *just a little bit*, then it would be easier for you to bend em a little further, and further and finally you dont care about em anymore. Its kinda darkside.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
If Huhuh doesn't mind, we plan to do another test on Sisi around 4-5pm eve time presumably in HED-GP system. I want to fraps him entering the system, warping to my ship in belt without being in local chat, then reappearing in local. Keep in mind though that no details about how it's possible will be disclosed.
affirmative.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran skipped rant
Leave moderation to moderators. its their job to clean up forum after all. If you know better take this job and do it instead of speaking out of your ass.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
rant skipped
We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record.
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Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full.
so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ?
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tul Kezad
nmap?
btw posting in epic thread
Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
- I did not create a whine thread - I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title - I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it.
still you whine in it ~ dont like it,dont write.
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- I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS.
Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all.
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- I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google.
No google request was used to formulate my question. But if you dont like googlable problems, enjoy another one forum warrior :) So. C++ faq or not, 100mb ethernet, 2 stations hot/standby. we are doing replication from hot to standby using our fancy protocol. The protocol should guarantee order of delivery, should not loose packets, etc. Question is what characteristics regarding data packet size/encoding/compressing should we use to minimize latency and maximize throughput. Kinda real-world problem for tcp/ip programmer i guess.
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- Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main.
If you only knew how many brainless monkeys write to this alt asking for exploit details. Sorry i am not going to read all this **** on my main.
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I admit my inferiority.
finally that's the step in right direction.
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I know that this way to talk entices wider and wider empathy with your holy cause.
I dont care about empathy, i care to have this bug fixed.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
Most likely all of em. Otherwise Monkey killing spree is unexplainable. See, pro-botters are like some small secret circle, just like crackers etc. It a subculture within subculture. And know what happens when one in small subculture catches AIDS ? I saw this happen with moscow LARP community. EVERYONE WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR. Same with cheats.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Actually its got me thinking. I have quite a few times come across systems with nobody in but had wrecks on scanner or a few cans. At the time I put it down to lazy people who just didnt bother to salvage everything before logging off or leaving system. But now, now I wonder if any of those systems may have had someone in there.
Most likely macro raven logged off. Had extremly fun and entertaining experience hunting guy named like fghjke.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
How to find answer to your homework question.
Ah Polish guy. Now i understand all your anger and bitterness and forgive you.
Bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
I notice you still haven't managed to reproduce the pilot reappearing in local without needing a session change.
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
If you post this portrait here or on eve-ru i'll put it in my signature and will use it as "Cheaters-free[ EVE" sign!
here you go : http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/26/62/26062059_Lenin_v_gorkah_1.jpg Image is now a URL. Shadow
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.
If its true, I'd be happy monkey ~
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!
In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 -
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I think this should be brought to epic thread. How to kill a bot (of certain design) without cheats. Copied from eve-search. 1. Jump into system with bot, warp to belt, log off immediatly. 2. Bot warps to safe spot. 3. Bot doesnt log off mid-warp, at SS it checks local, sees its clear and (that's flaw of this bot) instead of logging off/waiting cloaked - warps to the random belt. 4. We log on and if we are lucky we are meeting him at our belt, if we are unlucky we are logging off and repeat the process from log off phase. But this method is rather unreliable, for the system with many belts it can take a couple of hours tossing a coin, so the bot finally warps to us and we kill it. I dont know if flaw in the bot is fixed or not, i hope its not, so we can run ravageddon on weekend.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Gabriel I like Aja's idea.
Having a delayed local like in WH if you are in a 0.0 system where there isn't a sov module (maybe lvl3+?) or its not a pirate faction space makes sense.
This is done and suddenly 0.0 space is dangerous and fun again. Bots can happily macro in their sov systems, carebears can mine and run plexes in peace, and pirates can have fun. You can move large fleets undetected through nullsec to execute complex and effective strategies... CCP should consider this.
Problem is wormhole local is not so let's say "wormhole". Voices in my head told me that there's a reverse exploit. Which allows you to show pilots in current system. But this is not something I have tangible proof of. Its just voices.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned Still waiting and googling like mad to see someone put the technique up for mass replication.
Spoofing client data to say the pilot is in system X when they're ghosting around system Y would not be very visible on the server end, it's getting proper data, just for the wrong system.
Yes, lets make public release and ruin game for everyone. great plan. not.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 10:59:27 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 10:59:16
Originally by: Gunnanmon
The video of Huhuhuhuhu replicating the issue did appear surprisingly soon. I wonder if he had previously petitioned its existence.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
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yeah those russians are really ****ing good at programing and found the hack within 3 days heh how dumb are you? they obviously already knew about the hack and actively used it themselves those evil russians Evil or Very Mad
Lol. made my day.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Cool. "issue 94595" amused me.
BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally?
22 of april. Read some extremely annoying trolls on eve-ru and felt sympathy for the trolled guys. Thus i checked if i can reproduce described effect.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 12:11:55
Originally by: Gunnanmon
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least.
I am not going to describe required steps, but i guess after CCP closes this hole, i will be free to tell in detail about the whole process. Hope it will remove any suspicions ~
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Omira Tan
SURGEON GENERAL WARNING: "Divulging to have produced and tested an exploit may be dangerous to your health." You do know you can get banned for that ****, right?
Only if this exploit can be used. If it is fixed and cannot be reproduced any more this is just a history talk without any effects. But thanks for the tip. I will get counsel from ccp stuff before making any kind of reverse engineer walkthrough.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Assuming they fix the hole, what's the problem? :)
I bet it will be described in the ccp response.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 14:30:33
Originally by: Silent Wispa
I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
You are trying to imply that i should be breaking a brick wall. I.e. perform cryptoanalysis, decypher communication packets, etc etc. And saying its not done in two hours. I agree. Hi mate. In this particular case you dont have to do it. And. If you really want to have some fun - try to figure out wtf is happening on platform with misconfigured HLR and two MAP stacks running under 6 hours. PS. Some day, you might even install linux and discover WINEDEBUG environment variable.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
I dont understand all this political mumbo jumbo of eve, but am i right that there are 2 alliances. Masters (Legion of xdeath) and slaves (Shadow of xdeath). Slave pay to masters isk for systems they use. So are you in slave or master part ?
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
So you claim to be in the master's alliance and claim that no only they get monies from slaves, but also macro themselves. Though you fail to provide any proof of being in said alliance and fail to provide any proof of macro usage which as you claim is posted on their forums. I believe this scores as 0/10 on my troll-o-meter.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
You know it gets kinda dull when you try and act like solar/xxdeathxx don't macro. When all the hostiles come can see it for themselves. And its all over their internal forums. And its eve on eve-ru a site that everyone can see. You are really grasping for straws telling me SOLAR doesn't use macros.
I am not telling you anything since i have no opinion on the matter. All I ask - either provide some substance to your claims or kindly admit that you are talking out of your ass.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
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So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof. I for instance dont know anything. Enlighten me with link/screenshot/fraps whatever. Dump the internal forum with all macrosing on pl public board for the gods sake. But dont come back until you have something to back up your claims.
bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator A hotfix has been deployed today which has now fixed this issue.
We would like to thank all of those who submitted bug reports and petitions on this subject.
Great news, thanks ! Am i free now to brag a bit about bughunting process ?
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof.
ironically (and you and altcity's argument aside), this is the exact case against monkey. "everyone knows he's guilty" is the proof apparently.
also, apparently "everyone knows" he is banned now too
In this case I have read several reports and looked at killmails, which looked quite fishy given short timeframe of their generation. So its not "everyone knows" case, its "study, compare and make decision" case.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sefredius Mengsk Since the exploit is fixed now does someone mind explaining me how that donkey...I mean Monkeysphere achieved the hide-in-local trick?
I asked in this thread if i get bragging rights :)
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
i see. so "everyone knows" is obviously not proof however "you know" is undeniable evidence.
For me to make decision. It may be right or wrong but its all mine :) "Everyone" or so called "common knowledge" should be avoided like fire since its often source of misconceptions.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei we'll find out soon enough when his kill stats drop to zero.
Don't be silly, he's still got an entire arsenal of hacks at his disposal.
Look at the list of charges brought about by his Russian accusers:
1) No Local Hack (dealt with)
2) Warp to 0 on any ship
3) Teleport anywhere in EVE
4) See all cloaked ships
I'd say, with a weapons cache like that backing him up, he'll be just fine.
You see, we are making progress here. Just give it time :)
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Yea, when can we expect to see your work in helping us get rid of botters?
It is entirely different task. I tried to write long post explaining the problem, but the short answer is - this is game designer's part.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: romek mablung Umm...PunkBuster....viable?
Google up Joanna Rutkowska.
PS. At first i thought her surname is a nickname :)
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Posted - 2010.04.29 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk Troll skipped.
Attack is man-in-the-middle. No local was present since game inception. Yes i have retail client too. bye troll.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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White tombs. Hypocrites. No one believes you, and it's why people took this thread with hostility (not talking about PL trolls).
So. What do you suggest. Write a petition to CCP to implement WoW like raid high-end PVE so botting would be out of the question? Catch macros programmatically is possible but its sword/shield case. Bots will evolve and given current computing capabilities any kind of defence can be defeated with virtualization. So spending effort there is rather stupid. Ofc we can suggest and even donate to CCP some watchdog code, but its rather pointless effort - since they'll have to maintain it constantly or we have to maintain and i personally cannot make a full time commitment to this task, unless said community interested in getting rid of macros pays for my overtime work ~ So Sir, approval from CCP, 80-100$/hour and I am at your disposal. Unless you can make this commitment, Bye.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:53:40 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:51:49 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:50:40
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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So. What do you suggest
First of all I suggest to close quotes so that the text is readable.
Second, the tech excuse is fallacious, because also the exploits against the self declared REAL ratters will be redone and improved, yet someone bothered and without asking for 1 cent.
Third, to apply the same "united and committed like one tight family" approach when any of you meets a macro, exactly like it was done here to pin down 1 exploit. Otherwise it smells funny how succesfully this thead proved you can rally and call to the arms people enough to fill *2000* posts (that is dozens of people) but it seems impossible to find *5* to do something against bots. Third to enforce no-bot policies on the renters.
Now of course the objection will be: "how do you pretend we convince people to form up and cooperate and organize blah blah"...
and the answer is: "exactly like you managed to do here".
The need to deal with hundreds of exploiters should be felt at least as much as it was for 1 lone exploiter.
Otherwise it's really just balls and white tombs talking.
You are dead stupid misguided. I am fine with 2 hours of reverse engineering, but i am not ok with signing up for unpaid full-time job. Fighting macros is exactly second case. Want to get rid of em? You have to pay.
For the rally part - thank all the pl idiots with "bolsheviks/russki macroz/etc" ****. Kinda stupid of em was to put this as pl against russians in the first place.
Bye. PS. I love exploits. Next one I find will not be brought to forums so all the cool kids wont get a warning untill banhammer hits :)
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Posted - 2010.05.02 06:24:00 -
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Braaains, I want Braaains !
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