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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.11 10:38:00 -
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Oneiros is really the only one you could consider subpar tbh.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil Logistics are fine. If you are having problems with them, you don't know how to use them beyond stupid empire games.
Also, oneiros the worst? Not likely.
Basilisk is a scimitar on steroids when you pair it with another. As is the guardian when compared to the oneiros.
Tracking links are highly undervalued.
So you're saying that the other three are very good but oneiros isn't the worst? Also i would like to see examples of fights where tracking links made an actual difference.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:55:00 -
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Exactly, as it stands there are a dozen other mods that you can fit instead of a tracking link that will help out more. No doubt some people fit them but they'd generally be better off with a remote sensor booster or god forbid, a target painter. (which helps tracking a target, incidentally)
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 20:21:00 -
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Liang, the speed difference between a scim and basil is actually quite small, and the basil has 6 highs so I'd call them equal for general purpose.
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Sokratesz Liang, the speed difference between a scim and basil is actually quite small, and the basil has 6 highs so I'd call them equal for general purpose.
I'm going to have to call bull**** on this (no offense). Show me the Basi fit you think is (roughly) as fast and agile as a Scimitar.
-Liang
See for yourself :)
[Scimitar, New Setup 1] Reactor Control Unit II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
[Basilisk, New Setup 1] Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Energy Transfer Array II Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
The basilisk fit needs to be in pairs obviously, but it aligns faster, has much more RR power and only gives in to the scimi when it comes to top speed and sig radius. If you don't care for the gun (can be a t2 light AC or w/e) in the last high, the basilisk can make modifications to fit another rr mod or cap transfer.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:04:00 -
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That said, scimi is a great ship but its cap really sucks when you need to sustain RR for a longer amount of time.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Sokratesz
The basilisk fit needs to be in pairs obviously, but it aligns faster, has much more RR power and only gives in to the scimi when it comes to top speed and sig radius. If you don't care for the gun (can be a t2 light AC or w/e) in the last high, the basilisk can make modifications to fit another rr mod or cap transfer.
I want so bad to say "yes, the Basilisk may appear faster and more agile if you failfit the Scimitar", but maybe that's the standard accepted Scimitar fit. If so:
-Liang
It's what we run in groups of 4-5 to support anything shield buffered, and it works surprisingly well. How else would you fit it for that purpose?
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil
Hence one of my biggest problems with it. Granted, not so much a problem if you don't need to mwd around alot, but, if you are a solo logistic, that is unlikely.
Edit: Your scimitar fit is fine, but the basilisk fit sucks. No point in trying to nano up a basilisk.
2nd Edit: I also believe that remote sensor boosters are nearly always a waste of a slot, as are sensor boosters on non-sniper ships/hictors. Killmail *****s irritate me.
Yeah the basi fit isn't quite optimal. You can sacrifice some speed to get more EHP or more RR, whichever you like.
The sensorbooster is there to save your tacklers - inties, dictors are all primaried very often and require fastlock to be saved.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I think one thing I'd do is go look up Roemy's suggested Scimitar fit... I'm fairly sure his favorite fit had an AB and 2 nanos/overdrives. And that was back in the nano age...
-Liang
He uses them for quite different purposes though but his fits are good in their own right. Without an LSE, a scim just has too little buffer for what we do with them.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.14 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov I'd like to see al logistics get more survivability. I'd like to see the scimi go a little faster, and the basi and guardian get a lot more EHP, and the oneiros get SOMETHING to make it worth flying.
I think they are fine as they are now, in small groups they are an absolutely deadly force multiplier, making them more powerful would very quickly make them overpowered.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.14 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: steave435
* The scims have a smaller sig, so they're still better at avoiding damage * The basi can rep more * The scims can keep working even if some of them get jammed * The basis stop working completely if they get jammed, providing the enemy with a chance to quickly finish them
I'll comment on your entire post later but I just wanted to say that the last point is a gross oversimplification, basis have a better base sig strength so are harder to jam, and when you have multiple they can still support each other when some of them get jammed.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.04.14 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: steave435 *long post*
As promised, a bit more lengthy comment.
While the basi is a bit slower than the scimitar, it is more agile and has more fitting flexibility and can be made to be nearly as fast and way more agile than the scimitar at no sacrifice to RR ability, while the scimi can't do that. I also think you are overstating the dangers of ECM - now that the scorp is the only true long range ECM boat, they die so fast and so early on in fights that they hardly pose a threat, and it's easy to get into their falloff with logistics who have superior range by nature.
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