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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.03 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/04/2010 22:24:18
Let me assure you that whatever Seleene wants, is not the same as what CCP wants.
*edit*
And we all know what has happened since that post, and besides, even Sel isn't suggesting a bonus change there and I don't think he ever has.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.05 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/04/2010 21:27:27
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Sokratesz I'd say that a decrease in base cap recharge time and an increase in base scan res would be a way of making the Hel a lot more useful.
Either you're attempting to troll (very badly) or you have no actual idea how supercaps work in this game.
I'm going to say it's a mixture of both, you should just stop posting.My dear Viper. The number of solutions for fixing the Hel is rather limited since:
e: I only have one Hel and I'm not intending to sell it, having the lowest EHP (with either a shield or an armor tank, or even both) and a terrible bonus isn't very cool though.
- It's not getting a different bonus (stomp that into your brain once and for all) - It's not getting more shield (it already has nearly as much as the Wyvern) - It's not getting an extra slot or a slot change for that matter
Taking all that into account, maybe you should try being constructive and work with what it has, rather than going full ****** at the sight of my lovely bald head.
- Why would you suggest that it will not have a bonus change? - Why would you suggest that CCP wouldn't make a change to the slot config?
CCP has already stated that they feel the Hel needs improvement to bring it up to par with the other 3 SC. This would suggest that they are open to such changes.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.04.05 01:41:00 -
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I would like to see the Hels getting a boost to local rep amount and cycle. I'd like to see all MS getting this boost, as capital reps might just as well be removed from game right now, but then CCP don't play this game, so have no idea what is going on.
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Mike C
Caldari Ipuvaepe Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.05 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mike C on 05/04/2010 03:39:57 Just throwing this out there, but maybe a relatively minor change to the hel works? How about changing an RR bonus to a bonus that effects RR being used on the ship instead?
NINJA EDIT: OFC that can also be seen as a drastic change, so possibly a rebalancing of the percent per level?
EDIT: Also I meant relatively minor to some of the lolwtf suggestions in this thread? Also make crystals give HP bonus too :/
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.05 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mike C Edited by: Mike C on 05/04/2010 03:39:57 Just throwing this out there, but maybe a relatively minor change to the hel works? How about changing an RR bonus to a bonus that effects RR being used on the ship instead?
NINJA EDIT: OFC that can also be seen as a drastic change, so possibly a rebalancing of the percent per level?
EDIT: Also I meant relatively minor to some of the lolwtf suggestions in this thread? Also make crystals give HP bonus too :/
Yes because the Wyvern doesn't have a big enough tank as it is... and it should have more passive recharge. Not to mention all the other passive shield tanking platforms in the game. The only way that concept would work is if the implants that increased shield HP had an additional affect of reducing a ship's shield recharge rate at the same time by something like 95% with all 6 plugged in. This would bring the shield HP buffs inline with slaved armor buffs which have no recharge...
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.05 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Anile8er on 05/04/2010 08:27:53 Didn't see this...
Originally by: Super Whopper I would like to see the Hels getting a boost to local rep amount and cycle. I'd like to see all MS getting this boost, as capital reps might just as well be removed from game right now, but then CCP don't play this game, so have no idea what is going on.
LOL
Judging by your post you know exactly what is going on..
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LoveKebab
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.05 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: LoveKebab on 05/04/2010 09:38:05 make fighter bombers shooting rockets and then... fix rockets :> (i totally gonna laugh if ccp will fix insignificant Hel's bonus quicker than rockets...
Hel bonus atm is ******ed, nowhere near other SCs, even a Nidhoggur is better for r-repping than a Hel... xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
Mister GTC
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Posted - 2010.04.05 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Let me assure you that whatever Seleene wants, is not the same as what CCP wants.
*edit*
And we all know what has happened since that post, and besides, even Sel isn't suggesting a bonus change there and I don't think he ever has.
Don't be bloody dense.
Originally by: CCP Abathur'sDev Blog One more thing - the Hel is getting rid of its current repair bonuses and trading them in for bonuses that enhance the endurance of its Fighters and Fighter Bombers. I guess the Flight Deck Chiefs on Hels like duct taping spare bits of armor onto their strike craft or something...
Source Here. Yes it's old, but it's also still valid, considering the history of the super cap changes.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.05 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mister GTC
Originally by: CCP Abathur'sDev Blog One more thing - the Hel is getting rid of its current repair bonuses and trading them in for bonuses that enhance the endurance of its Fighters and Fighter Bombers. I guess the Flight Deck Chiefs on Hels like duct taping spare bits of armor onto their strike craft or something...
Source Here. Yes it's old, but it's also still valid, considering the history of the super cap changes.
Originally by: Anile8er
- Why would you suggest that it will not have a bonus change? - Why would you suggest that CCP wouldn't make a change to the slot config?
CCP has already stated that they feel the Hel needs improvement to bring it up to par with the other 3 SC. This would suggest that they are open to such changes.
Unfortunately, much has changed since then and a bonus change seems out of the question now. Same for a slot change, all MS have 6 high and 13 low+med, it'd be unfair if the Hel was made into an exception there. Shuffling the lows/mids around wouldn't do it much good, in fact it could well make it worse.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.04.05 17:06:00 -
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The only thing the Hel needs is a bit more armor to put it inline with the rest of the moms. It is approximately 3mil armor hit points short of the other moms.
Far as its remote rep bonus goes its actually very nice, those that think its not enough have not done the testing.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 07:16:00 -
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Sokratesz I am not suggesting the Hel be given additional slots and I don't think Viper is either.
Changing the configuration of the mid/low slots isn't a completely out the question idea... The Nid was given the same slot layout as the Thanny as an attempt to improve it (successful). Why couldn't the Hel be given the same layout as the Nyx? Keep it's current bonuses which are in a word "meh" but 7 lows would give it an effective armor tank that would be on par with the Nyx.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.06 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Anile8er Sokratesz I am not suggesting the Hel be given additional slots and I don't think Viper is either.
Changing the configuration of the mid/low slots isn't a completely out the question idea... The Nid was given the same slot layout as the Thanny as an attempt to improve it (successful). Why couldn't the Hel be given the same layout as the Nyx? Keep it's current bonuses which are in a word "meh" but 7 lows would give it an effective armor tank that would be on par with the Nyx.
Giving it the same slot layout as the nyx would make it subpar still because it has less HP than the Nyx and in the eyes of many, a useless bonus still that it can't use any better with an extra low.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2010.04.06 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Anile8er Giving it the same slot layout as the nyx would make it subpar still because it has less HP than the Nyx and in the eyes of many, a useless bonus still that it can't use any better with an extra low.
Change of face much?
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.06 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Anile8er Sokratesz I am not suggesting the Hel be given additional slots and I don't think Viper is either.
Changing the configuration of the mid/low slots isn't a completely out the question idea... The Nid was given the same slot layout as the Thanny as an attempt to improve it (successful). Why couldn't the Hel be given the same layout as the Nyx? Keep it's current bonuses which are in a word "meh" but 7 lows would give it an effective armor tank that would be on par with the Nyx.
Giving it the same slot layout as the nyx would make it subpar still because it has less HP than the Nyx and in the eyes of many, a useless bonus still that it can't use any better with an extra low.
I believe it would be 7 lows, 5 mids, 6 highs. Obviously CCP would also need to change base HP numbers around to favor an armor tank as opposed to a shield tank. The EHP would be pretty much on par with the Nyx then. Please explain how you think it wouldn't be..
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.06 11:44:00 -
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So the loltank needs a bit of a buff and the lolbonus needs changed.
Don't know about tank but is there a useful bonus that the other super carriers don't already have so the Hel bonus is different but still a good one to have? Preferably offensive.
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Cadinie
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Posted - 2010.04.07 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky So the loltank needs a bit of a buff and the lolbonus needs changed.
Don't know about tank but is there a useful bonus that the other super carriers don't already have so the Hel bonus is different but still a good one to have? Preferably offensive.
hmm just like carriers, i guess you could have 2 tank based (a shield resist bonus for caldari, and a armor for amarr) and you could possibly have 2 damage based bonuses? (one for gallente and one for minmatar).
the only issue is how can you make the damage bonuses different for the minmatar and the gallente...... if you gave one a bonus to fighter damage, and another a bonus to bomber , the bomber would obviously have a large advantage over the fighter.
well i do have one idea, but it's a little too screwy to implement. the only way i can think of a way to give 2 separate damage bonuses without making one completely OP to the other is give the nyx like a 5 % to damage bonus, and give the minmatar an extra + drone per level, but only of combat type (or whatever will balance the damage between the two) two different ways to reach the same end.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.07 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cadinie
Originally by: Marlona Sky So the loltank needs a bit of a buff and the lolbonus needs changed.
Don't know about tank but is there a useful bonus that the other super carriers don't already have so the Hel bonus is different but still a good one to have? Preferably offensive.
hmm just like carriers, i guess you could have 2 tank based (a shield resist bonus for caldari, and a armor for amarr) and you could possibly have 2 damage based bonuses? (one for gallente and one for minmatar).
the only issue is how can you make the damage bonuses different for the minmatar and the gallente...... if you gave one a bonus to fighter damage, and another a bonus to bomber , the bomber would obviously have a large advantage over the fighter.
well i do have one idea, but it's a little too screwy to implement. the only way i can think of a way to give 2 separate damage bonuses without making one completely OP to the other is give the nyx like a 5 % to damage bonus, and give the minmatar an extra + drone per level, but only of combat type (or whatever will balance the damage between the two) two different ways to reach the same end.
This would mean the drone bay would need to be larger..
Quite frankly I think if the bonus received a boost like say 20% per skill level to rep amount and the ship received a slot and HP change in favor of armor tanking the ship would be awesome.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.09 17:10:00 -
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Spanking this in hope of some comment from Abathur..
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.09 17:39:00 -
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Somebody missed topic that was before they intoduced Supercariers to TQ. Where people were asked what bonus should Hel have, and actually though somebody disagree the bonus is set as it is set... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Barton Gilbert
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Posted - 2010.04.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cadinie the only issue is how can you make the damage bonuses different for the minmatar and the gallente......
Hel: 3% bonus to the rate of fire of fighter bombers per level.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.10 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Barton Gilbert
Originally by: Cadinie the only issue is how can you make the damage bonuses different for the minmatar and the gallente......
Hel: 3% bonus to the rate of fire of fighter bombers per level.
not a bad idea.. dont think 5% would be bad either
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.10 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Anile8er Spanking this in hope of some comment from Abathur..
Abathur is no more.
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Xitahr
Minmatar Exile Consortium Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2010.04.30 20:57:00 -
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this needs to get up from page 10 :)
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Makar Kravchenko
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Posted - 2010.05.01 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Makar Kravchenko on 01/05/2010 15:28:28 As a future Hel pilot.
In its current iteration doubt I will drop 12-15bn to even bother flying it.
RR Bonus is weak, and pretty much useless as it stands. With the leviathan/vulture bonuses and the right fitting, you can get it somewhere around 35mil EHP. What?? Thats like a 20-30bn isk fitting.
The Aeon needs a big fat nerf in the face because with a Erebus/Damnation Combo, the Aeon can get over 100mil EHP, with the proper fitting, that costs WAY less than it would to get 35mil EHP from a Hel. Now after you see that problem, think about how much EHP the Avatar, or Erebus can acheive? They CANT get to 100mil EHP, with the same costs in fittings.
So how is it the Aeon is allowed to have more EHP than its Avatar Flagship?
I dont mind the Hel being a Logistics Super-Carrier, but compensate its lack of triage, please. Hit buff is not necessary if you make its logistics role viable, in which case spider-tanking Hels will become flavor of the month :) (THIS IS NOT A BAD THING REALLY! It is such a cool looking ship you know?)
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.02 00:54:00 -
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Don't own a hel. Do own a niddy. They're both bad. Bonuses are basically the same. Problem isn't so much the kind of bonus, but if you actually fit to use it to the max, you end up having to go for max cap recharge, which gimps you everywhere else. It seems like a good bonus would not only be rep amount, but also a bonus to cap rep use so that you didn't have to fit cap rechargers/CPR in most slots; it would make it a far superior repping machine compared to other carriers and that could be useful, especially in today's cap warfare environment.
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Xitahr
Minmatar Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.05.23 15:15:00 -
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getting even closer to new patch day, and i havnt seen anything on this matter as of yet? or did i miss out on something?
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Death'Scythe
Cool Guys Don't Look at Explosions AIRSTRIKE.
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Posted - 2010.05.24 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Makar Kravchenko Edited by: Makar Kravchenko on 01/05/2010 15:28:28
The Aeon needs a big fat nerf in the face because with a Erebus/Damnation Combo, the Aeon can get over 100mil EHP, with the proper fitting, that costs WAY less than it would to get 35mil EHP from a Hel. Now after you see that problem, think about how much EHP the Avatar, or Erebus can acheive? They CANT get to 100mil EHP, with the same costs in fittings.
Couldnt agree anymore with that, the Aeon right now is a bit ******ed!
Personaly id like to see 1 or the 2, 1st Shield Recharge/Amount implants to counter the Slave armor version. 2nd To make Shield bonus's work the same as armor, as in e.g. Shield at 100%, add in Bonus shields still remain at 100%, having to fit a shield booster to counter this is pritty ******ed tbh.
And back to the subject, they should make Capital MWDS that only the Hell can fit tbh!
D'S
D'S.INC GFX Services
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.05.24 16:29:00 -
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Hel Bonus: -18% duration for capital shield boosters per level.
If you've got enough cap transfers on the field, that thing is never going down. You would be able to get a 100k DPS tank from just caldari navy gear.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2010.05.24 20:24:00 -
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it's a minmatar ship so: 500% moar ship speed per lvl, all hail the nanohels
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.25 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jamaican Herbsman it's a minmatar ship so: 500% moar ship speed per lvl, all hail the nanohels
I could live with this. ---
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