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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:06:00 -
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Was supposedly going to come during Dominion 1.1, it didn't. Has there been any discussion about what the bonus is being changed to and a timeframe for it?
Also, separate fighter/drone bays, fixing the fighterbomber/pos shield bug and model size.
Are any of these things on the drawing board for Tyrannis (which were all discussed for being introduced in Dominion, 1.1 or shortly after) or will they be pushed back to the Winter release (or later).
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:40:00 -
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As mentioned in the other Thread:
Give it the proposed 7,5% Fighterbomber Expl.-radius reduction per level and move a Lowslot to an additional Medslot and its Fixed
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.01 10:51:00 -
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Hel's bonus is fine, base stats need tuning.
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2010.04.01 11:54:00 -
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The problem is, that if you fit it for propper RR-Duty, you'll sacrifice about 40-50% of its EHP. (CDFEs -> CCCs)
Combine this whith the fact that i can't use triage and has the weakest EHP of all Supercarriers BY FAR, you'll see that SCs aren't made for that job, a bunch of Carriers will do a lot better.
So I'm hoping for an actual Combat-related Bonus.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe fixing the fighterbomber/pos shield bug and model size.
While they're at it; fix the conflict that occur with all drones near POS shields. Tad annoying when you have x drones out and they keep getting stuck 'inside' the POS.
My favourite was the last time, I kept telling them to attack a Nidhoggur that was well outside the shield, but the FB's tried to go through the POS and I got the "you can't do that while warping"-message each time I had to tell them to attack. It took a good 30-40 attemps before all of them finally was unstuck, then I had to get them back too.. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.01 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Linas IV
So I'm hoping for an actual Combat-related Bonus.
..which it won't get because that'd be way out of line with the rest of the capital line-up
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Doof Hardcastle
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Linas IV
So I'm hoping for an actual Combat-related Bonus.
..which it won't get because that'd be way out of line with the rest of the capital line-up
what? are you ******ed? Nyx has a damage bonus, wyvern/aeon have tank bonuses
how are those not "combat related"
you're stupid
stupid s t u p i d
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.01 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Linas IV
So I'm hoping for an actual Combat-related Bonus.
..which it won't get because that'd be way out of line with the rest of the capital line-up
What? Let's see...
Aeon: 5% resist bonus/level. This is pretty much a combat bonus. Wyvern: See Aeon. Nyx: 5% damage bonus per level. This, also, is a combat bonus. Hel: 5% remote rep per level. Wait what?
Maybe if it becomes 40% remote rep amount per level, so you can use it like a giant triage carrier, without actually having to use a triage module it'd be useful. As it is now it's just pathetic though. ---
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Hel's bonus is fine, base stats need tuning.
It's been obvious for years you have no clue about supercaps so please stop posting.
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Sunset Rogue
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe Was supposedly going to come during Dominion 1.1, it didn't. Has there been any discussion about what the bonus is being changed to and a timeframe for it?
Also, separate fighter/drone bays, fixing the fighterbomber/pos shield bug and model size.
Are any of these things on the drawing board for Tyrannis (which were all discussed for being introduced in Dominion, 1.1 or shortly after) or will they be pushed back to the Winter release (or later).
+1
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Semper Nefarius
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Posted - 2010.04.01 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Doof Hardcastle Edited by: Doof Hardcastle on 01/04/2010 14:48:02
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Linas IV
So I'm hoping for an actual Combat-related Bonus.
..which it won't get because that'd be way out of line with the rest of the capital line-up
what? are you ******ed? Nyx has a damage bonus, wyvern/aeon have tank bonuses
how are those not "combat related"
you're stupid
stupid
My guess would be he meant the rest of the minmatar capital line-up..... Subtle troll is missed on some I guess
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
It's been obvious for years you have no clue about supercaps so please stop posting.
Who are you again?
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Sunset Rogue
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Posted - 2010.04.02 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Who are you again?
CCP have defined supercarriers as anti-capital ships. Abathur has stated that the Hel needs to be changed, and more importantly the player base have decided that the Hel is substandard.
Take your trolling to CAOD.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.02 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Viper ****zIe
It's been obvious for years you have no clue about supercaps so please stop posting.
Who are you again?
Someone who actually knows how to fit supercaps.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sunset Rogue
Originally by: Sokratesz Who are you again?
CCP have defined supercarriers as anti-capital ships. Abathur has stated that the Hel needs to be changed, and more importantly the player base have decided that the Hel is substandard.
Take your trolling to CAOD.
CAOD? What's that? And maybe you didn't read me right, I fully agree that the Hel is broken, it's just that a change in base stats would be a more logical solution than shaking up the entire capital line-up with a bonus change. The nid, when fitted properly, is a great carrier precisely because of that bonus and the Hel has that same potential, it's only lacking in one area, EHP, and that is easily fixed.
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Xtover
Suicide Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.02 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
CAOD? What's that? And maybe you didn't read me right, I fully agree that the Hel is broken, it's just that a change in base stats would be a more logical solution than shaking up the entire capital line-up with a bonus change. The nid, when fitted properly, is a great carrier precisely because of that bonus and the Hel has that same potential, it's only lacking in one area, EHP, and that is easily fixed.
because SCs are offensive anti-capital ships, carriers are for logistics. Thus, the bonuses should be more offensive.
Your thought on it having ANYTHING to do with the capital lineup is asinine.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
because SCs are offensive anti-capital ships, carriers are for logistics. Thus, the bonuses should be more offensive.
Your thought on it having ANYTHING to do with the capital lineup is asinine.
Motherships are nothing but scaled up carriers and the bonuses carry over - introducing a different bonus for the minmatar mothership just because people whine about it would be unfair for the other races.
Motherships are well geared offensively and only one of the 4 gets a bonus to it, so there is no way that the Hel is specifically lacking in that regard. The logistics bonus is extremely useful unless you massively fail to fit the ship somehow, and if they can bring the Hel in-line with the other motherships by means of a simple base stat change then there is no problem at all.
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Sunset Rogue
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Posted - 2010.04.02 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz stuff
Your troel-fu is weak.
Dear CCP, fix Hel, tia.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sunset Rogue
Originally by: Sokratesz stuff
Your troel-fu is weak.
Dear CCP, fix Hel, tia.
Your intellect is weak.
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Sunset Rogue
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Posted - 2010.04.02 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Your intellect is weak.
Pow! Now the argument devolves to ad homenim arguments! How unexpected! Shall we continue down "How to spot an obvious troll" checklist?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sunset Rogue
Originally by: Sokratesz Your intellect is weak.
Pow! Now the argument devolves to ad homenim arguments! How unexpected! Shall we continue down "How to spot an obvious troll" checklist?
You did it first fyi, and I'm tired of this useless whining about the Hel's bonus.
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Sunset Rogue
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Posted - 2010.04.02 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz You did it first fyi, and I'm tired of this useless whining about the Hel's bonus.
But mooommmm!
The bonus is quite useless and the dev team agrees, it is simply a matter of how long until they fix it. Pout more.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.02 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sunset Rogue
Originally by: Sokratesz You did it first fyi, and I'm tired of this useless whining about the Hel's bonus.
But mooommmm!
The bonus is quite useless and the dev team agrees, it is simply a matter of how long until they fix it. Pout more.
Source?
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BloodMia
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Posted - 2010.04.03 12:07:00 -
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Although I agree with Sokratesz (stats boost or more generally balance the slave/crystal) , the other big issue is that the removal of triage on SCs has only affected the Hel bonus.
So, in extra of ehp lack, we have clearly here an "involuntary" bonus nerf!
After that, the most logical "fix" will be: # to boost his actual bonus: Hels keep their "line-up" bonus with now a real boost from carrier to SCs # to adjust stats: the fact is that bonus of the wyvern compensate the lack of "shield buffer" implant equivalent of "slave" for supercap. Simply adjust Hel stats is imo not the solution, or just a temporary one. Look further on pirate implant "balance" would be nice.
Here is my pov, I'm open to any reflexion!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.03 15:49:00 -
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I'd say that a decrease in base cap recharge time and an increase in base scan res would be a way of making the Hel a lot more useful.
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SSDC REP
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:52:00 -
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how many hels are you currently speaking for viper? hoping to turn a bit of a profit after they get a boost?
needless to say, the rest of tranq agrees that it does need a boost.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Viper ****zIe on 03/04/2010 18:53:55
Originally by: Sokratesz I'd say that a decrease in base cap recharge time and an increase in base scan res would be a way of making the Hel a lot more useful.
Either you're attempting to troll (very badly) or you have no actual idea how supercaps work in this game.
I'm going to say it's a mixture of both, you should just stop posting.
e: I only have one Hel and I'm not intending to sell it, having the lowest EHP (with either a shield or an armor tank, or even both) and a terrible bonus isn't very cool though.
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 19:11:00 -
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If it weren't for slave sets the Nyx would almost be in the same "boat" as the Hel so is the solution for the Hel to gear it's slot layout towards armor tanking? This would make sense to me.
Supercarrier EHPs with x-type/a-type tanks and T2 rigs (no gang bonuses)
Without slave sets
Aeon- 32.6 mil EHP Wyvern- 31.7 mil EHP Nyx- 21.2 mil EHP Hel- 21.4 mil EHP (shield tank)
With slave sets (Aeon and Nyx)
Aeon- 51 mil EHP Nyx- 32.6 mil EHP
CCP has given the Nid the same slot layout as the Thanny and made it an effective armor tanker. If they followed the same concept with the layout of the Hel (making it the same as the Nyx) EHP with a slave set would land around 33 mil.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.03 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Sokratesz I'd say that a decrease in base cap recharge time and an increase in base scan res would be a way of making the Hel a lot more useful.
Either you're attempting to troll (very badly) or you have no actual idea how supercaps work in this game.
I'm going to say it's a mixture of both, you should just stop posting.
e: I only have one Hel and I'm not intending to sell it, having the lowest EHP (with either a shield or an armor tank, or even both) and a terrible bonus isn't very cool though.
My dear Viper. The number of solutions for fixing the Hel is rather limited since:
- It's not getting a different bonus (stomp that into your brain once and for all) - It's not getting more shield (it already has nearly as much as the Wyvern) - It's not getting an extra slot or a slot change for that matter
Taking all that into account, maybe you should try being constructive and work with what it has, rather than going full ****** at the sigh of my lovely bald head.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
My dear Viper. The number of solutions for fixing the Hel is rather limited since:
- It's not getting a different bonus (stomp that into your brain once and for all)
Originally by: Abathur
A special comment on the Hel û we realize that among these ships, the HelÆs bonus to repair might be seen as a bit æmehÆ. The other school of thought is that considering how useful remote repair is, especially when it comes to carrier combat, perhaps the HelÆs bonus is not so bad. So, what would you like to see here? Would an additional boost to the current RR bonus be welcomed? Ponies?
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1236843 (It's in the OP, dumbass)
Then again since you obviously know so much about how supercapitals work in this game (cpr wyverns and levis with personal tanks, right?) I'm sure your expertopinion is correct.
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- It's not getting more shield (it already has nearly as much as the Wyvern) - It's not getting an extra slot or a slot change for that matter
Taking all that into account, maybe you should try being constructive and work with what it has, rather than going full ****** at the sight of my lovely bald head.
Why would you shield tank a Hel when you can get nearly equal EHP with armor? (more EHP with titans are considered because the Levi bonus isn't added instantly after jumpin, which lowers you to ~65% shield). It doesn't need a slot change either, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at here. If it had a decent bonus it would be a far more worthwhile ship, right now it's subpar in every aspect.
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