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Sewer Urchin
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:22:00 -
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Last night I got into a battle with an Ishkur in my Harpy. I thought I might have had a decent chance but apparently not. Just looking for some advice on how to not get owned :P Battle started about 50km away, we both burned towards each other and started firing away. We were both web'd and scram'd, orbiting each other at about 1500m or so. At this point I had gotten through his shields and started moving through his armor. Next, he moves out to about 3500m and I stop doing any serious damage to him and he's repping his armor no problem. At this point I'm done for. He's able to dictate range on me and perma tank my damage. Obviously I should have carried a different ammo type with me to switch to but I doubt that would've changed the outcome. I've got 12.5m sp with 1.8m in gunnery. The other guy was a little over a year old so I'm thinking we should be somewhat even. My fit: Tech2 ion blasters, ab, scram, web, mse, damage control, mag field stab, em resist rigs. EFT numbers, 178 dps, 1500 optimal, 9400 ehp, 34 shield regen.(numbers are from memory may be off a little). Would I have been able to hit his drones if they're web'd???? Warrior 2's. Thanks for any help |
ShahFluffers
Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:31:00 -
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Wait.... you were in an ISHKUR... and yet I fail to see any mention of drones. I think I found your problem.
In my experience, it's the Ishkurs that should be dictating range... not the other way around. You should be able to launch 5 light drones and safely stay at the edge of web/scram range while they do their job.
If, however, you were actually aiming for pure blasterboat then might I recommend the Enyo? More guns and beefier tank. |
Sewer Urchin
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers Wait.... you were in an ISHKUR... and yet I fail to see any mention of drones. I think I found your problem.
In my experience, it's the Ishkurs that should be dictating range... not the other way around. You should be able to launch 5 light drones and safely stay at the edge of web/scram range while they do their job.
If, however, you were actually aiming for pure blasterboat then might I recommend the Enyo? More guns and beefier tank.
Thanks for the reply but the other guy was the ishkur...I was in a Harpy. |
Wild Fox
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:40:00 -
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Well, this seems to support a well-known observation that in a 1-on-1 blasters are not very useful if you can't control the range.
Harpy has four mids, doesn't it? So fitting two webs will fix this particular problem, at the expense of your tank, of course. You might also consider fitting rails and kiting just inside the web/scram range. If you can pull it off, this will neatly turn the tables.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sewer Urchin Last night I got into a battle with an Ishkur in my Harpy. I thought I might have had a decent chance but apparently not. Just looking for some advice on how to not get owned :P Battle started about 50km away, we both burned towards each other and started firing away. We were both web'd and scram'd, orbiting each other at about 1500m or so. At this point I had gotten through his shields and started moving through his armor. Next, he moves out to about 3500m and I stop doing any serious damage to him and he's repping his armor no problem. At this point I'm done for. He's able to dictate range on me and perma tank my damage. Obviously I should have carried a different ammo type with me to switch to but I doubt that would've changed the outcome. I've got 12.5m sp with 1.8m in gunnery. The other guy was a little over a year old so I'm thinking we should be somewhat even. My fit: Tech2 ion blasters, ab, scram, web, mse, damage control, mag field stab, em resist rigs. EFT numbers, 178 dps, 1500 optimal, 9400 ehp, 34 shield regen.(numbers are from memory may be off a little). Would I have been able to hit his drones if they're web'd???? Warrior 2's. Thanks for any help
Use "edit" and add some space between your sentences. |
Mikael Mechka
Gallente Sentinels Reprieve Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers Wait.... you were in an ISHKUR... and yet I fail to see any mention of drones. I think I found your problem.
In my experience, it's the Ishkurs that should be dictating range... not the other way around. You should be able to launch 5 light drones and safely stay at the edge of web/scram range while they do their job.
If, however, you were actually aiming for pure blasterboat then might I recommend the Enyo? More guns and beefier tank.
Errr... He said he got into a fight with an Ishkur while he was in a Harpy.
@ the OP: The Ishkur, being a gallente t2 ship means it has high resists for kinetic and thermal damage (just like caldari t2 have high thermal and kinetic resists), so your blaster would not have been doing great damage to begin with. Also, when the ishkur pulled into a wider orbit and was still hitting you (I'm guess he had blasters) he probably loaded null ammo for extra range. Always carry some Null ammo with you just in case you need the range, the harpy gets a optimal range bonus don't forget. |
Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:48:00 -
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Link the mail.
Also, how did an Ishkur dictate range vs you? It's like 50m/s faster (before webs).
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Sewer Urchin
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:49:00 -
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Use "edit" and add some space between your sentences.
I refuse.
Thanks for the replies. Giving up my tank for another web seems dangerous?? I will always carry some null with me from now on. Any idea about hitting the drones? Would i have been able to hit them if I had web'd them?? Thanks |
Mikael Mechka
Gallente Sentinels Reprieve Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.03.18 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mikael Mechka on 18/03/2010 19:59:57 Yes, you should be able to hit the drones with small blasters fairly well even without webbing them. Remember Null ammo reduces your tracking, so if you're trying to shoot drones or the enemy begins a tighter orbit, you will want to switch back to t1/faction ammo.
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You said you had an AB fitted? And the target was web+scrammed? He might have had a higher meta AB than you, giving him more speed. Also the Navigation and Acceleration Control skills affect your speed and the amount of kick you get out of your MWD/AB respectively. |
Sewer Urchin
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mikael Mechka Yes, you should be able to hit the drones with small blasters fairly well even without webbing them. Remember Null ammo reduces your tracking, so if you're trying to shoot drones or the enemy begins a tighter orbit, you will want to switch back to t1/faction ammo.
Thanks Mikael. When I was sitting there waiting to die I took a few shots at his drones without webbing them and couldn't hit them. If I remember correctly my tracking is right around .45 |
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Ivan Zhuk
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ivan Zhuk on 18/03/2010 20:29:18 Honestly I allways find the Ishkur to destroy the Harpy rather easily simply because of damage output and tank. My recomendation would be to not 1v1 an ishkur blasters vs blasters. The ishkur can setup a decent active or buffer tank. You cannot if your fit with tackle the way you were. He has drones which even if you start killing them he will have 4 extras in his hold easily with AF lvl 4 so while your wasting damage killing drones that he will easily replace he will be shooting in your explosive slot. Also sure you get bonuses to blaster range but with 700m range that doesnt mean s**t. He will still hit you in his falloff and his drones are your main worry as they are hitting you in your worst resist slot.
Every decent fit I have seen (personally for fleets I have been a part of) on a harpy is rail fit. Sure the DPS is about half as much but atleast you can really dictate range other than with blasters web and scram your jumping into the fight screaming like a madman and just hoping your flail harder when you dont tend to have the higher dps. 20km range with antimatter ammo is enough to hit ceptors hard and stay out of that dreaded scram/web range. Also remember gallente want to get in scram web range they own the DPS field. You however do not keep this in mind when attempting to take on the gallente DPS boats.
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