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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.05 08:27:00 -
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The events of today have left many capsuleers who have fought the Caldari in Intaki aghast.
According to official reports here, the Intaki Assembly has turned away the Federation Navy forces sent to secure the system following the destruction of State forces inside the system.
To many direct participants in the warfare in the region, this seemed nonsensical. The arrangement made in Intaki was based on the invasion by State forces and the occupation of their space. The contract itself was signed while in a situation of military occupation, blockade, and jammed communications.
Furthermore, the Auction made in Federation space has no legal precedent and is not legally binding to any non-State entity, sovereign or otherwise. The Intaki were made to cooperate due to a well-publicized military blockade on all transportation in and out of the system, a blockade that was replaced with an Ishukone-run monopoly and enforced with renowned hired-guns Mordus.
However, this situation is becoming even more complicated, as I personally witnessed what should not be possible.
This image seems to contradict the news reports that, quote, "The Federation Navy relief force assigned to re-establish control of the Intaki system was denied access to the Intaki stargate in Agoze".
Indeed, as far as can be told, the Federation Navy has taken full control of all security within the system.
This confusion could lead to a rapidly escalating situation that might cause mass loss of life. As such, Moira. Corporation immediately demands official comment from the Federation Navy, the Intaki Assembly, the Ishukone Corporation, the Mordus Legion Command, and the Senate regarding the present situation in the Intaki system.
This must be done quickly. If there is no resolution to the situation, there may be full-scale war between various interests within the system with little to no recourse to establish stability and protect civilians.
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Kretin Arnon
Amarr Path of the Immortals
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Posted - 2010.03.05 09:21:00 -
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You know, long ago when the Blood Raider Covenant held sovereignty in The Bleak Lands, most of the sentry guns in the constellation was owned by CONCORD.
I don't remember me crying like a little girl about that. +--------------------------+ For now I sleep and watch |
Corelous Alterrian
Amarr Beyond Evil and Good United Star Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.05 09:42:00 -
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They were red, You should have shot them :)
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.05 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Furthermore, the Auction made in Federation space has no legal precedent and is not legally binding to any non-State entity, sovereign or otherwise. The Intaki were made to cooperate due to a well-publicized military blockade on all transportation in and out of the system, a blockade that was replaced with an Ishukone-run monopoly and enforced with renowned hired-guns Mordus.
I am not a lawyer, so I have no comment as to the legal situation. One thing I would like to know, if, as you say, the Intaki government was under duress when they signed the agreement. Why did they make the decision to continue with it when they know perfectly well that they could get out of it with ease?
Seems to me, that your suppositions may be off...
Personally, I would like to congratulate the Intaki government for their bravery and I support whatever decision they come to in the future.
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.05 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux Seems to me, that your suppositions may be off...
Once more Juliannus Soter produces dubious claims with not a single shred of evidence to back them up. Is anyone surprised by this anymore?
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Alain Colcer
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2010.03.05 14:20:00 -
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As Captain Soter requests, and i conccur, it is extremely important that the Intaki Assembly addresses the public and explains their decision. The Federation Navy is bound to serve the Government and the Federal Administration, so in my view it is better they do not escalate this situation into hostilities of any kind and wait for further instructions.
However, i also appeal to the few Federation representatives and politicians who are now in Intaki to contact the Assembly, the citizens, the people. It is important to bring all issues and claims from Intaki Assembly to the Senate and the Federal Administration, so they can be resolved using the proper methods.
Clarification: This message represents my personal opinion and in no way represents STRIX corporation.
Alain Colcer Talon Wing 3rd Class Operator
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux
Why did they make the decision to continue with it when they know perfectly well that they could get out of it with ease?
Perhaps their families could be threatened by Intaki Liberation Front members or Mordus enforcers? Instead of using outright force as they did the first time Intaki was removed from Federation control, perhaps they are using the organized crime approach this time?
Honestly, this makes absolutely no sense and is very puzzling indeed. The Intaki Assembly is honoring an illegal contract that is against the will of the vast majority of Intaki citizens. Even the Intaki Liberation Front has conceded that vast majority of Intaki citizens want to remain part of the Federation.
Puzzling times indeed. Conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this development. And this time they all may be right. ??
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kretin Arnon You know, long ago when the Blood Raider Covenant held sovereignty in The Bleak Lands, most of the sentry guns in the constellation was owned by CONCORD.
I don't remember me crying like a little girl about that.
Pirate organizations are always capable of maintaining supply lines not using capsuleer-linked stargates, as someone of your experience should know.
However, the problem here, Kretin, is that this is currently a an armed standoff. Is Ishukone's operation being Federally backed and recognized by the Administration? Are they now responsible for system security? Because of this, is Ishukone now an enemy to the Caldari State because of this level of collaboration? Should Federation Navy currently present within the Intaki system open fire on the Ishukone assets or Mordus?
Having these questions asked in a volatile wartime environment puts millions of innocent lives at risk. And all of it could have been avoided with a bit of communication.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.05 15:40:00 -
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From personal assessment, the Federation Navy currently present in Intaki may be fulfilling defence obligations under the CONCORD Militia Act, whereas the fleet under Admiral Gouenette was there to serve the security side of a possible S&S franchise.
However, Federal officials have already commented on the matter so far, and, unless it escalates, we might not see further comment from other Federal bodies.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:16:00 -
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The Senate stood by and watched the Caldari occupy Intaki without lifting a finger, or deploying a single vessel from the Federation Navy.
Intaki isn't just another system, it houses the homeworld and heritage of an entire race, a race that thought it would be protected and assisted by the Senate due to being a part of the Gallente Federation. Whether the ownership is valid or not, the Senate stood by and let the system, and the very land that heritage is built on be auctioned off to a Stateside megacorporation.
Instead of coming to assist when the Federal Defense Union was at its weakest, the Federal administration turned its back on the Intaki people, and their homeworld by simply silencing their voices in the Presidential Elections, and pretending the problem didn't exist rather than working pro-actively to assist their people.
The Assembly is doing what it knows is best, showing that the Intaki people have the strength, and the resolve to stand on their own two feet without having to be the bastard-child of the Federation.
Honestly, after they were hung out to dry, cut off and had their voting rights in a DEMOCRATIC system of government revoked, what other response did anyone expect?
Souro Foiritan was an imbecile for making that call.
Power to the people, I say.
**** the Federation.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
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Jyotmimana Karana
Intaki Pure
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter As such, Moira. Corporation immediately demands official comment from the Federation Navy, the Intaki Assembly, the Ishukone Corporation, the Mordus Legion Command, and the Senate regarding the present situation in the Intaki system.
I don't know where you presume to have so much importance, but none of these organizations owe you any explanation whatsoever.
For years, Gallente pilots have shouted us down with chants of "The Intaki People Love the Federation. The Intaki People Want the Federation. Respect what the Intaki People Want."
But then, when this is proven false, when the Intaki Assembly finally has had enough of the second-class treatment of the Federal bureaucracy and says "No, we don't want you any more" then you cry foul. Then you demand answers.
The Assembly, the voice of the Intaki People, has spoken, Juli, and it has said in no uncertain terms that the so-called security services of the Federation Navy are no longer needed or wanted. The same can be said about your militia pilots as well.
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Gemma Naquist
Kuomi Logistics
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:33:00 -
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Just a thought butą
Would it be possible to hold another election to determine the true wants of the Intaki people? Could that election have an outside, independent organization oversee the process to make sure that no one fudges the data?
Not that IĘm saying that the Federation would ever stoop to lying about what the populace of a given planet wants, especially when it means a planetĘs worth of tax revenues doesnĘt go to the Federation coffers anymore.
Such an election would be nice. It probably wonĘt happen until someone puts a Titan in orbit there too.
Just sayin...
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gemma Naquist Would it be possible to hold another election to determine the true wants of the Intaki people? Could that election have an outside, independent organization oversee the process to make sure that no one fudges the data?
You make far too much sense to be involved in cluster politics...
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.05 17:10:00 -
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Quote: Perhaps their families could be threatened by Intaki Liberation Front members or Mordus enforcers? Instead of using outright force as they did the first time Intaki was removed from Federation control, perhaps they are using the organized crime approach this time?
Or maybe, just maybe, Ishukone are not asset stripping monsters intent on marching the Intaki off to the camps whilst they ship the planets resources back to the State. Perhaps it is possible they they proposed a business deal that was mutually beneficial and so the Intaki Assembly was happy to enter into a contract with them.
Quote: The Intaki Assembly is honoring an illegal contract that is against the will of the vast majority of Intaki citizens. Even the Intaki Liberation Front has conceded that vast majority of Intaki citizens want to remain part of the Federation.
Under what law is this contract illegal? Just because members of the Federal militia say a thing does not make it a fact. No laws have been broken by the Assembly, they are perfectly within their rights to choose who carries out security operations within their space. That they have chosen Ishukone and the Mordus for this does not mean that they are about to secede from the Federation. You have no idea what the majority of the Intaki population think with regards to this contract.
Quote: Is Ishukone's operation being Federally backed and recognized by the Administration? Are they now responsible for system security? Because of this, is Ishukone now an enemy to the Caldari State because of this level of collaboration? Should Federation Navy currently present within the Intaki system open fire on the Ishukone assets or Mordus?
Do Federal Police open fire on Ishukone assets within the Federation? Are Gallente stations within the State currently under siege? Ishukone have entered into a business agreement, this does not make them collaborators. Or is business between Gallente and Caldari citizens now forbidden?
They are tasked with the security of the system, not the defense of Federation bases which, correct me if I'm wrong, are not under the jurisdiction of the Intaki Assembly. The Gallente Federation is not at war with Ishukone. There is no more reason for them to fight Ishukone security patrols than there is for me to attack Federation businesses in State space.
Perhaps having your security forces not liable to be chased out of the system as the balance of war changes, or more interested in STPRO pilots than smugglers and pirates has led the Intaki Assembly to this decision.
Quote: Would it be possible to hold another election to determine the true wants of the Intaki people?
The Intaki government already represents the will of the people. If it is the peoples view that the Assembly no longer represents them, then yes there should be an election. But outside forces cannot demand new elections everytime a decision is made that they do not agree with. That is not democracy, that is a farce.
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Apollonius Verus
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Apollonius Verus on 05/03/2010 18:02:11
Originally by: Julianus Soter Should Federation Navy currently present within the Intaki system open fire on the Ishukone assets or Mordus?
The unambiguous answer from the Intaki Assembly appears to be a resounding "No!":
Originally by: Intaki Assembly Requests FDU Ceasefire Intaki - In a brief press conference directed primarily at FDU and independent capsuleers, the Intaki Assembly today requested that all loyalist captains cease hostilities against Ishukone and Mordu's Legion vessels in Intaki space.
The Intaki spokesman stated that vessels belonging to the Ishukone Corporation and Mordu's Legion are "present in Intaki at the specific and un-coerced request of the Assembly," adding that "any captains detaining or destroying such vessels are acting directly against the interests of the Intaki people as determined by this Assembly, and further are viewed as committing acts of piracy."
She did clarify that, "Ishukone corporation is permitted to operate only civilian vessels in the system, and Ishukone Watch is explicitly excluded from entry under the terms of the Agreement." Mordu's Legion, however, has been afforded complete military access, subject to command oversight from the civilian Assembly.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
The Senate stood by and watched the Caldari occupy Intaki without lifting a finger, or deploying a single vessel from the Federation Navy.
Intaki isn't just another system, it houses the homeworld and heritage of an entire race, a race that thought it would be protected and assisted by the Senate due to being a part of the Gallente Federation. Whether the ownership is valid or not, the Senate stood by and let the system, and the very land that heritage is built on be auctioned off to a Stateside megacorporation.
Instead of coming to assist when the Federal Defense Union was at its weakest, the Federal administration turned its back on the Intaki people, and their homeworld by simply silencing their voices in the Presidential Elections, and pretending the problem didn't exist rather than working pro-actively to assist their people.
The Assembly is doing what it knows is best, showing that the Intaki people have the strength, and the resolve to stand on their own two feet without having to be the bastard-child of the Federation.
Honestly, after they were hung out to dry, cut off and had their voting rights in a DEMOCRATIC system of government revoked, what other response did anyone expect?
Souro Foiritan was an imbecile for making that call.
Power to the people, I say.
**** the Federation.
Well, we liberated this system from caldari military control..... Sry it wasn ton a proper timetable, but tis actualy a war you know?
So **** you
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
The Senate stood by and watched the Caldari occupy Intaki without lifting a finger, or deploying a single vessel from the Federation Navy.
I ask you: Should the FDU invade a Caldari system, do you think the Caldari Navy will come to assist?
This entire war is set up to expressly disallow direct conflict between the empires navies.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 05/03/2010 18:14:37
Originally by: Verone
The Senate stood by blah blah blah blah
Goddamnit Verone, stop acting like a prat. -----
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:19:00 -
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I applaud the Assembly's swift response to our request for comment located here.
However, it seems Ishukone Corporation paramilitary vessels are still located in the system, specifically Caracal-class escort cruisers in orbit of the Intaki 5-5 station: holo.
Moira. vessels have destroyed these ships as they are not allowed to operate within the Intaki Assembly jurisdiction as dictated by the contract.
I call upon all other FDU participants to yield to the Intaki Assembly's declaration. They are full participants within the Federation, and as such, their will should be respected.
However, Moira. Corporation further requests Ishukone corporation to withdraw all corporate military forces from the system to ensure no further miscommunication and loss of life occurs.
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Apollonius Verus
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter I applaud the Assembly's swift response to our request for comment located here.
Swift indeed, considering that their statement appeared the day before your request for comment.
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Vincent Death
Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:41:00 -
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I trust that you will also begin the destruction of the Federal Navy, who are there against the wishes of the Intaki Assembly. Or are you just trying to escalate a war you are no longer a part of for your own ends?
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.03.05 18:46:00 -
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It is the Assembly right to choose who to contract for system defense, but choosing a force that often works outside of the law inside Federation space and that has very strong ties to the Caldari military will only create a safe heaven and a good military base inside Federation territory for the State.
As its common for small minded people they only see their rights and not the obligations they should have while facing a common enemy.
Their stance towards FDU is strange because I didn't know that the Assembly has any saying in Concord matters regarding what is considered an act of piracy and even they did they seem to forget that FDU is a Federal entity and so not subject to their commands.
To end the "un-coerced" and "good faith" part of their deals with their new associates is not to be taken seriously as its common knowledge that the Ishokune/Mordus rights were auctioned by the State after their occupation and only proves that they think the rest of the galaxy is easily duped.
I do hope the Intaki people is happy about this choices.
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Apollonius Verus
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Apollonius Verus on 05/03/2010 19:17:17
Originally by: Hussain It is the Assembly right to choose who to contract for system defense....
As its common for small minded people they only see their rights and not the obligations they should have while facing a common enemy....
I do hope the Intaki people is happy about this choices.
Presumably the Intaki people are happy with the decision, considering they elected the Assembly to represent them. However, one thing I am sure they would not be happy about is to hear you insult their representives, and by extension, themselves.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian So **** you
**** you too sunshine, you're the one who's a military slave to a nation that couldn't give a flying **** about it's citizens.
Originally by: Andreus LeHane Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 05/03/2010 18:14:37
Originally by: Verone
The Senate stood by blah blah blah blah
Goddamnit Verone, stop acting like a prat.
I expected more from you, Andreus.
You know the deal.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:21:00 -
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Then don't look at a ****ed situation and tell me it's not ****ed! -----
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Apollonius Verus Presumably the Intaki people are happy with the decision, considering they elected the Assembly to represent them. However, one thing I am sure they would not be happy about is to hear you insult their representives, and by extension, themselves.
Another tactic of small minded people: ignore the issue focus on the precieved insult and how they are outraged by it.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane Then don't look at a ****ed situation and tell me it's not ****ed!
The only ****ed thing is that the Federation put the Intaki Assembly in a position to have to make this decision.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:49:00 -
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What's ****ed about this is that the Federation is having to fight a war where it can't legally use most of its own goddamn defence forces to reinforce the very systems that are under threat due to the ridiculous constraints of this militia war powers act - the Federation must, because of CONCORD's byzantine decrees, leave the defence of its own borders in the notoriously unreliable hands of capsuleers, rather than the Federation Navy who are specifically trained for this goddamn task. We have to do this illogical hopping between tactical sites in deep space that don't have any obvious relevance to the situation at hand, waiting within a very specific range of some transmission station for an arbitrarily long amount of time...
... you know, I can KILL every Caldari Navy ship in the goddamn system!
Every single goddamn one!
And somehow, they're still occupying the goddamn place even though there's not a single goddamn Caldari ship left in the goddamn system!
I could do this in every system still occupied by the goddamn Provists, yet through some arbitrary ill-explained goddamn CONCORD decision even if there's not a single Caldari in the system, if we haven't spun ourselves round twenty-one of these goddamn tactical sites and spent two goddamn hours shooting at the goddamn bunker, the Caldari still own the system even if there's not a single grey hull to be seen for three light years!
This isn't a goddamn war - I feel like I'm playing a more deadly version of "king of the goddamn hill"! More importantly, why is the Federation standing for this ridiculous situation where they have to hire me to play it to defend their systems, rather than sending in the goddamn people who are goddamn trained to goddamn defend the goddamn systems?! -----
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus LeHane What's ****ed about this is that the Federation is having to fight a war where it can't legally use most of its own goddamn defence forces to reinforce the very systems that are under threat due to the ridiculous constraints of this militia war powers act - the Federation must, because of CONCORD's byzantine decrees, leave the defence of its own borders in the notoriously unreliable hands of capsuleers, rather than the Federation Navy who are specifically trained for this goddamn task. We have to do this illogical hopping between tactical sites in deep space that don't have any obvious relevance to the situation at hand, waiting within a very specific range of some transmission station for an arbitrarily long amount of time...
... you know, I can KILL every Caldari Navy ship in the goddamn system!
Every single goddamn one!
And somehow, they're still occupying the goddamn place even though there's not a single goddamn Caldari ship left in the goddamn system!
I could do this in every system still occupied by the goddamn Provists, yet through some arbitrary ill-explained goddamn CONCORD decision even if there's not a single Caldari in the system, if we haven't spun ourselves round twenty-one of these goddamn tactical sites and spent two goddamn hours shooting at the goddamn bunker, the Caldari still own the system even if there's not a single grey hull to be seen for three light years!
This isn't a goddamn war - I feel like I'm playing a more deadly version of "king of the goddamn hill"! More importantly, why is the Federation standing for this ridiculous situation where they have to hire me to play it to defend their systems, rather than sending in the goddamn people who are goddamn trained to goddamn defend the goddamn systems?!
You need some serious anger management counselling, Andreus.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.05 20:01:00 -
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Will you at least concede that the situation is ridiculous? I don't need any proof that it is, I'm right here living in it. I simply want you to acknowledge that the Federation (and, indeed, all four major powers) have been placed in a truly absurd situation in which their borders are constantly under threat, yet they cannot defend them with the forces trained for exactly this purpose.
This sort of bizarro-world illogic is something that Macaper couldn't have dreamt up in her wildest nightmares! -----
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