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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 21/02/2010 15:49:31
I'm curious as to why the Star Fraction is so eager to have people sign up to their message system. I would caution people to heed the warning shown when you click the link. After Jade made the comment about their kill database being compromised (if it really was) its obvious there are security vulnerabilities in the Star Fraction computer system.
The "medium" to answer the question is available right here on the Concord IGS network. A place where we don't have to worry about someone editing posts and fabricating evidence. As Jade has shown the ability to make posts sometimes five or more posts in length I'm sure the IGS network can accomodate any "evidence" she has.
One other issue of course is the fact you would be providing the Star Fraction with your personal residence evemail and IP address (InPod identifier of your residence). Given the fact these masters of spycraft have already shown they will do anything to "win" would you really want to do that? Of course not.
There is plenty of room here at IGS, there is security here, space to type and the "medium" to reach the masses. Certainly Jade could never be accused of not seeking attention.
The evidence should be posted here. Anything less is just another nail in the coffin of Ms. Constantines credibility.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Wrongsides
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Wrongsides on 21/02/2010 16:34:01
Originally by: Grimass I lost friends on that ship too and though I hate say this I have to speak the truth. IÆm the first officer on the ôsovereignö and you are not telling the truth Sevok. I had access to the comms logs too and its not fair to the dead men and women on our ship to pretend they died in some ôstandings accidentö or fired upon wrongly by a miss-setup tower. We knew it was dirty work. From the time Tsukuyomi made contact and arranged the asset transfer from that Brutor wench it didnÆt smell right.
You had us change IFF codes and claim to be working for another Matar women Pyros û never heard of her and never been a client. This was a steal-run went bad. Now its a coverup. You and I got out alive a lot of our mates didnÆt. We had no business going there and no we find out Tsukoyomi was a thief who stole towers from STAR FRACTION the night before. What did you think was going to happen you idiot.
IÆm going to get you for this Kurouto. For the men you killed. You are going to die in vacuum.
This is how I understood events to have unfolded. Now a 3rd party eye witness to events has come forward & you people ignore him?
You all think what you want to think, no one here is interested in truth.
Wrongsides walks away in disgust
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Jonny Damordred
Moira.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wrongsides This is how I understood events to have unfolded. Now a 3rd party eye witness to events has come forward & you people ignore him?
You all think what you want to think, no one here is interested in truth.
Wrongsides walks away in disgust
The SF sockpuppet is cute, how much did you pay for him?
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Frygok
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.21 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Frygok on 21/02/2010 16:52:13
Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 21/02/2010 15:49:31
The evidence should be posted here. Anything less is just another nail in the coffin of Ms. Constantines credibility.
Archbishop
I find it hilarious that the sychophants of Providence demands evidence from Ms. Constantine, when they flatly refused to show any kind of proof of the rightness of Mr. Merdaneths actions, when he brutrally slaughtered a neutral pod pilot, other than random, conjured stories created after the attack.
Mr. Merdaneth even mentions it himself. He calls Ms. Constantine a hippocrit for demanding evidence when Merdaneth slaughtered a neutral without any evidence or warning whatsoever, and yet now Mr. Merdaneth himself is demanding evidence. Perhaps Ms. Constantine is not the only hippocrat around IGS, eh?
But I suppose SF could just do what Providence bureaucrats have done, and create a sham of an internal investigation, and refuse to publish the report for extended amount of time, and finally creating a piece of writing so empty of any accountability. That would suit the double-standard Providence orators of this Summit great, correct? Else, you can take it to the vast battlefields in space. As I am aware, Providence right now should have enough to worry about than incidents such as this.
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 16:57:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Wrongsides This is how I understood events to have unfolded. Now a 3rd party eye witness to events has come forward & you people ignore him?
You all think what you want to think, no one here is interested in truth.
Wrongsides walks away in disgust
The SF sockpuppet is cute, how much did you pay for him?
Jonny D.
However much it was, I think we need to get a refund. ---
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Finally you have shown your colors and joined the ranks of pirates and others who are truly willing to live free.
Would you care to elaborate on this claim? It seems to me your saying that pirates are ones who 'truly live free' or wish to at least.
Can this be used to assume you believe piracy to be an expression of 'true' freedom, then?
As for the matter at hand, I believe Jade offered the explenation for what went down. Having read the tale of how the battle for their 4th tower in Kamela went down, I don't see much of a problem. If my corporation held to NRDS standards I would still fire on known thieves and/or known collaborators of thieves, regardless of standing - as such, while I don't like them much, I will still have to tip my hat to SF for taking care of these kinds of honorless low-lives.
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Tetseptus
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:03:00 -
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What I believe all of the detractors here are failing to realise is that this matter is resolved for Star Fraction.
We have no desire, and especially no need to justify ourselves any further to you.
What announcements and replies we do provide we provide only as long as we feel there is anything left to say, in order to fully inform those willing to be informed, and to address the true misconceptions. If there are no further answers given in this thread, it is because all that Star Fraction chooses to say has been said.
As evidenced from the ongoing vitriol from said detractors, whatever we say on the IGS will inevitably be called into question because so many regressive dogs have been angered so by our victories over them in the name of freedom. Of course slavers will oppose us whenever they can, freedom is anathema to them and everything they stand for.
Invariably, members, like myself, who feel the need to explain this to the community at large will always feel obliged to comment after the fact, because we cannot stand to imagine that newcomers to the political scene will carry away the wrong impression of our glorious alliance. I act in vain, I know I do. I know that even this post will bring a further tirade of spurious nonsense that completely overlooks the sentiment of what I have written.
Such is the nature of what we oppose.
Thankfully, it is my impression that Star Fraction dominates these debates with better reasoned and more truthful accounts despite the detractors. I only hope that the above-mentioned newcomers and any long-standing observers can see through the frothing mouth-dung that the slavers and their supporters, and indeed all enemies of freedom, will oppose us with here.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:19:00 -
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Given the sudden and random change in Constantine's attitude toward myself from friend to foe, I'm not one to offer defense...
However in this case, lets look at the facts :
The only FACT is that a freecaptain shot someone perceived to be a threat to operations. Fair play in my eyes.
If my own mother came screaming across the kitchen toward me with a carving knife in a blind rage you'd be damned sure I'd lay her one in the face with a wok before she had the chance to stick me. Well, that's hypothetical of course, since she's no longer alive. And no, she wasn't killed by a flying traditional cooking vessel in the heat of a vicious knife fight.
Regardless, the point is that sometimes a threat comes too quickly to be able to react and run through diplomatic channels to offer a warning. You have to take pre-emptive action and neutralise the threat before it causes any significant damage, in this case potential theft.
It's a tactical decision rather than a political move to appease diplomatic requirements. It's not the first time a corporation has had to do it, and it won't be the last... and for god's sake, it was an Iteron class... they're ten a penny. It's not like something rare and exotic was destroyed.
If anything, this just seems like a reason to **** and moan to me. It's kind of amusing in some respects, seeing as though the Amarr Loyalist Bloc seems to be diverting more attention to the IGS than the fact their paradise in Providence is crumbling around them.
Anyway, EncorT ladies and gents, let the anarchy roll on.
Do continue... it's most pleasing to watch.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:27:00 -
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Yes you are free to say or not say anything. In similar fashion though the public here is free to now recognize you as a psuedo-NBSI alliance who also engages in long term spyops and participates in corp theft operations.
Some things are very clear:
1. The Star Fraction has failed to provide any evidence or even reasonable basis for suspicion that this was an "enemy agent" they attacked. In the case of Master Guardian Merdaneth by comparison much circumstantial evidence was presented forming the basis for assumption. Likewise the refusal of Ms. Constantine to deny this was a Star Fraction operative further leads us to believe it was. In this case the accused "agent" has denied involvement. What we have then is one persons word against another. The only evidence we have is the kill record and Ms. Constantines comment on the first page of this thread stating "neutral or not". In the absence of any evidence to the contrary it all points to the accusation of slaughtering a neutral to be true.
2. In the past the Star Fraction has demanded "evidence" from others most recently the results of an investigation by PIE in piracy allegations by another corporation. Ms. Constantine was quite vocal then demanded the report and went as far as publically posting it after we had sent it to the involved parties. To now see Ms. Constantine refuse to operate under the same rules she demands of others indicates the level of hypocrisy the Star Fraction operates under.
3. The Star Fraction seeks to lure people to their internal communications portal to "explain the truth". This only days after claiming their kill database was corrupted. Why would they want people to register there? Perhaps given their reputation of doing "anything to win" the anarchists seek more intelligence sources. After all by registering there you reveal your personal residence evemail and your IP address (InPod residence locator address). Given the Star Fraction history of betrayal and spyops does anyone really think giving them your personal information is a good thing? I wouldn't do it for sure. After all the real question you should ask yourself before you do so is "Do you really trust them?". I think everyone already knows the answer to that one.
The "medium" to explain the "truth" is here where you have never been shy at seeking an audience. Ms. Constantine can feel comforted knowing that everyone would see her evidence and all her detractors would be proven wrong.
I welcome her to feel free to post as many pages of evidence here as she needs. Obviously everyone wants to see it.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:39:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Archbishop 3. The Star Fraction seeks to lure people to their internal communications portal to "explain the truth". This only days after claiming their kill database was corrupted. Why would they want people to register there? Perhaps given their reputation of doing "anything to win" the anarchists seek more intelligence sources. After all by registering there you reveal your personal residence evemail and your IP address (InPod residence locator address). Given the Star Fraction history of betrayal and spyops does anyone really think giving them your personal information is a good thing? I wouldn't do it for sure. After all the real question you should ask yourself before you do so is "Do you really trust them?". I think everyone already knows the answer to that one.
Careful with that sort of allegation about that sort of thing. The PIE portal equally requires that information. Do you trust PIE? And furthermore, do you trust their security? It's not just about what PIE may or may not do with the information, but about what any agents of hostile entities may do if they manage to compromise PIEs forum. And how many former PIE are there in now questionable organisations? Can you trust PIE?
So, If you're going to suggest against looking at SF's forum, then do so on the basis that it may be or has been compromised by hostile agents, who you may not wish to become entangled with. Rather than on the basis of trust, because you do not have a beacon of trustworthiness to speak from.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.02.21 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Why would they want people to register there? Perhaps given their reputation of doing "anything to win" the anarchists seek more intelligence sources. After all by registering there you reveal your personal residence evemail and your IP address (InPod residence locator address).
Now you are going to far Mr. This sort of accusations will take us elsewhere. One thing is you spilling your insanity diabetrice as a jest to amuse IGS. Another thing is you entering the realms beyond civility and doing statements as such. I strongly recommend you to think twice if this is the way you want to go.
Now you certainly have my interest. And I'm not sure you really need this.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:07:00 -
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The thread has definitely taken a turn for the worse with the spurious allegations of hacking and misdeeds made by Archbishop. I think at this point it is entirely right to for any thinking commentator to ignore the farrago and smokescreen of murk squirted out here by Mizhara and others and come and see the truth of matters in a medium conducive to honest and full discussion.
The whole truth of this matter is discussed here.
After reading the linked comment it will be impossible to sustain the false accusation that Star Fraction has breached its ROE in any way shape or form and I will expect a lot of humble pie to be eaten by the rather silly detrators posting in this thread.
The linked forum is not owned or administrated by Star Fraction. And it is considered a fair and neutral location for discussion of matters such as these by all respected captains in the pilot community.
So come and learn truth. There really is no excuse not to.
True Knowledge |
Cassius Longinus
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.21 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Armitage Special message to STIM and RK - bring it in space already.
Hey Tara, long time...
I have very little to say here, other than to say that Misan's actions are unrelated to STIM. As 'Loke's Shadow' is a member of RK, they do involve RK: they fall under our NBSI policy, and thus I (acting as RK executor) has acknowledged responsibility for them. Negative standings were the result, and I think SF has acted entirely within their normal code of operations (as Cosmo's posting proved).
I can't comment on the hauler thing, as I have no knowledge on the topic one way or another (and frankly could care less).
All that said, as far as I know, neither Rote Kapelle nor Stimulus currently see any advantage in deccing SF, and we will continue to treat them in lowsec/nullsec as we would any other non-blue entity.
Any kinds of lingering animosity from the Stimulus side of the fence is certainly on the individual level, not organizational.
Just felt I had to clarify that a bit.
Best, Cassius Longinus
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Careful with that sort of allegation about that sort of thing. The PIE portal equally requires that information. Do you trust PIE? And furthermore, do you trust their security? It's not just about what PIE may or may not do with the information, but about what any agents of hostile entities may do if they manage to compromise PIEs forum. And how many former PIE are there in now questionable organisations? Can you trust PIE?
So, If you're going to suggest against looking at SF's forum, then do so on the basis that it may be or has been compromised by hostile agents, who you may not wish to become entangled with. Rather than on the basis of trust, because you do not have a beacon of trustworthiness to speak from.
Actually I could care less if you want to visit our portal or not. Also our public portal is available to view without requiring registration so anyone can visit and read without divulging data.
Secondly though is the matter at hand. I don't require you to register anywhere to see the "truth" of some claim I've made. When Master Guardian Merdaneth was accused of shooting a neutral all of the evidence we had of the "neutral" being a Star Fraction spy was posted here on IGS for all to view. Hardly similar behavior at all.
The questions are:
1. Why does the Star Fraction refuse to post their evidence here as they have demanded others in the past do?
2. Why do they require you register on their portal to receive the answer to "the truth"?
If anything the Star Fraction could post their "evidence" in a public part of their forum that doesn't require registration. They could issue it as a "statement of evidence" where all could view it. Then if people desired they could copy it here and discuss it. Very similar in fact to the way Ms. Constantine took a PIE report and posted it here. A report that in the end disproved all of her previous shrill accusations.
I would be very happy to state I was wrong about this NBSI incident if evidence were presented. Given the hatred of Ms. Constantine for the Amarrians and her obsessional constant warfare against us you would think she would be eager to rub our faces in her "evidence" and prove us wrong.
The fact she doesn't clearly indicates the "evidence" doesn't exist.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:21:00 -
[135]
The illustrious Ms.Constantine now seeks to have this thread moved to the "Crime" section of the IGS forum system by claiming its "about corp theft".
This is false and this thread should not be moved.
This thread is about the NBSI actions of the Star Fraction. While they claim this is due to a theft they haven't provided any evidence supporting their claim.
Of course Ms.Constantine is welcome to start her own thread in the crime and punishment thread detailing her evidence. Certainly a "proper medium" for such a revelation.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Tara Armitage
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 19:48:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Tara Armitage on 21/02/2010 19:49:59
Originally by: Cassius Longinus
Originally by: Tara Armitage Special message to STIM and RK - bring it in space already.
Hey Tara, long time...
[snipped]
Just felt I had to clarify that a bit.
Best, Cassius Longinus
Noted.
T
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/02/2010 20:01:48
Originally by: Archbishop Of course Ms.Constantine is welcome to start her own thread in the crime and punishment thread detailing her evidence. Certainly a "proper medium" for such a revelation.
Done. My thread is now up on Crime and Punishment. All the relevant information is there. Do come back here and apologise when you are done eating humble pie.
(that goes for anyone else taken in for even a moment by Mizhara's op post on this thread too. You really should have known better.)
True Knowledge |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Actually I could care less if you want to visit our portal or not. Also our public portal is available to view without requiring registration so anyone can visit and read without divulging data.
Secondly though is the matter at hand. I don't require you to register anywhere to see the "truth" of some claim I've made. When Master Guardian Merdaneth was accused of shooting a neutral all of the evidence we had of the "neutral" being a Star Fraction spy was posted here on IGS for all to view. Hardly similar behavior at all.
For PIE's thing, you need to register to ask questions on details, is that correct? Then the situation is similar, is it not?
The "sensitive personal information" is then on PIE's database, as it would be on SF's, if you register there.
So then it is vulnerable to malicious activities, by people acting against those organisations.
As well as malcontents.
So it is similar.
The point about proof in public vs secret documents is more valid. I shall think about this.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Regardless, the point is that sometimes a threat comes too quickly to be able to react and run through diplomatic channels to offer a warning. You have to take pre-emptive action and neutralise the threat before it causes any significant damage, in this case potential theft.
I quite agree. However, if the on-the-spot decision breaks general engagement rules, an investigation is normally required to see if the pilot in question acted properly. In the case of your mother (with or without knife), I'm sure you were fully justified in your act of self-defense.
However, ms. Constantine's earlier claim was that Star Fraction members would be too principled to use the wok pre-emptively and would let themselves be stabbed first before retaliating: Read here. In fact, she has been mentioning the act I took described in that thread as unprincipled more than once in several threads unrelated to the subject.
In an attempt to attack and discredit my person she polarized her own (and by extension Star Fraction) position to such an extent that it made the issue political. If ms. Constantine hadn't done that, I would likely not even have replied to this thread.
As it seems a Star Fraction rule of engagement was broken in this case as well, I fully expect a proper investigation to be made by them too. And seeing as they were so loud in desiring investigations to be made public before, I fully expect them to make their investigation public too.
Anything else would be quite hypocritical. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frygok
Mr. Merdaneth even mentions it himself. He calls Ms. Constantine a hippocrit for demanding evidence when Merdaneth slaughtered a neutral without any evidence or warning whatsoever, and yet now Mr. Merdaneth himself is demanding evidence. Perhaps Ms. Constantine is not the only hippocrat around IGS, eh?
Terrorist Frygok, you seem to be misremembering certain events. I had ample evidence in that particular case, but the evidence was circumstancial and not submitted to the admiralty for standings adjustment for several reasons mentioned in that thread.
In fact, a more thorough investigation after the fact unearthed so much circumstancial evidence that the connection between Sej Jamira and the Star Fraction pilot Lucai was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Ms. Constantine claimed that Star Fraction would *never* attack another without being attacked or harmed first, or giving the other fair warning, even if they suspected a registered neutral to be hostile beyond a reasonable doubt. The industrial pilot in question might be highly suspicious indeed, but he was not given fair warning but was entrapped using the protective umbrella of neutrality he assumed he enjoyed against him.
A correct decision by Star Fraction? Most likely yes. A honest and non-hypocritical decision? Most certainly not.
My questions are simple:
1. Did the industrial pilot in question commit any act that Star Fraction considers hostile without additional evidence? 2. If yes, what was that act? 3. If no, how did the Star Fraction ascertain the immediate hostile status of said individual? 4. Is this method of identifying hostiles applicable across other situations or does Star Fraction reserve this additional method of considering someone a hostile without fair warning for specific situations only?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
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Caellach Marellus
Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/02/2010 21:03:16
Originally by: Caellach Marellus I'd like to know more about the protocols you put in place, and how you go about establishing who are agents for enemy Capsuleers, Corporations and Alliances. As well as showing how said protocol were used in this incident to identify the Iteron pilot. Perhaps showing an inside working of the Fraction would help people understand more and make a better informed decision about the event, as things stand information is twisted on both sides and hard to make conclusions with at best.
Not in this thread. You are welcome to come to Star Fraction Public however and ask your question there on our forum. We'll be very happy to show you the reality of this case and prove the lies of the op/supporters of the corp thief Misan Paltaek there. What you do with the information afterwards is up to you.
Thank you for the swift reply Captain, I shall be in contact soon. I look forward to hearing your side with great interest. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:45:00 -
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I find it tiresome to keep having to go over the same ground but at least these questions are simple and easy to answer (where it is necessary to answer them at all).
Originally by: Merdaneth
1. Did the industrial pilot in question commit any act that Star Fraction considers hostile without additional evidence? 2. If yes, what was that act? 3. If no, how did the Star Fraction ascertain the immediate hostile status of said individual? 4. Is this method of identifying hostiles applicable across other situations or does Star Fraction reserve this additional method of considering someone a hostile without fair warning for specific situations only?
1. Yes.
2. Agreed to act as the agent of a hostile saboteur and corporate thief in the commission of an attempted sabotage and/or theft of corporate assets. Confirmed as such by the words of the hostile saboteur and by the words of the agent themselves in separate communciations.
3. and 4. are rendered moot.
The evidence for this is available to any interested party who makes an application to us. I might add that at least one interested party has already done so and received the information. The main source of this is the corporate communications of Hebog y Tan corporation and a conversation between a Star Fraction agent and the enemy agent.
The Cosmopolite
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:46:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Verone Regardless, the point is that sometimes a threat comes too quickly to be able to react and run through diplomatic channels to offer a warning. You have to take pre-emptive action and neutralise the threat before it causes any significant damage, in this case potential theft.
I quite agree. However, if the on-the-spot decision breaks general engagement rules, an investigation is normally required to see if the pilot in question acted properly. In the case of your mother (with or without knife), I'm sure you were fully justified in your act of self-defense.
Are you bloody mad?
I'd never punch my mother! My god, some people.
Honestly, I'll never understand the Amarr.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:04:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Verone
Are you bloody mad?
I'd never punch my mother! My god, some people.
Honestly, I'll never understand the Amarr.
My apologies. Considering your reputation I assumed your mother was a quite the mean old hag. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:10:00 -
[145]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
1. Yes.
2. Agreed to act as the agent of a hostile saboteur and corporate thief in the commission of an attempted sabotage and/or theft of corporate assets. Confirmed as such by the words of the hostile saboteur and by the words of the agent themselves in separate communciations.
Point 2 is a moot point if point 1 is true as far as I'm concerned. If someone opens fire on you (metaphorically speaking) of course you can defend yourself, that is well within your RoE. I'm now just wondering what act of aggression this pilot had committed, why it hasn't been mentioned, and how that act compares to the circumstancial evidence I had against Sej Jamira.
If the case for aggression is equal to or weaker than my case against Sej Jamira, I'll expect a retraction of ms. Constantine's words concerning that matter. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Drykor
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.02.21 22:12:00 -
[146]
Wow, Rote Kapelle turned into a fine group of ****ers alright. Such a bitter little bunch. Good thing Qotsa left as they were the only decent thing remaining in there.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:06:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Verone
Are you bloody mad?
I'd never punch my mother! My god, some people.
Honestly, I'll never understand the Amarr.
My apologies. Considering your reputation I assumed your mother was a quite the mean old hag.
She'd have kicked your arse in a fist fight any day, sunshine.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:27:00 -
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While I personally believe this thread could go on for pages and pages more I feel it is no longer an effective use of my time. I have sermons to write and am planning a tour of Matari space which is made difficult by the pesky Matari navy always shooting at me.
I wish to clarify one point. While I do believe the Star Fraction is capable of heinous crimes in their quest for chaos I do see now my belief that they may use personal information gleened from their communications portal may have been a rushed judgement. They are capable of much however I do not believe the people behind the anarchist movement capable of such an atrocity. I will retract that statement as I now see it was unjustly attributed to them.
That being said. The anarchist way of life is a life of chaos. I encourage all to find God and embrace the structure the Amarrian lifestyle embodies. Abandon the chaos and embrace God. It is your only hope.
Archbishop
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Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.02.22 03:40:00 -
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"Jade Constantine: 2010-02-19 23:32:59 Good job people. Enemies of freedom will not be tolerated, neutral or not. And people who insult Revan will also not be tolerated."
lol, brazil amirite
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.24 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Armitage Special message to STIM and RK - bring it in space already. You have been provoking us in every way imaginable, except the only one that matters, for years. I forget when it was that you took your toys and left, and I don't really care to remember anymore either, but this has been going on ever since. Let me spell it out for everyone - we know it, STIM knows it. Common courtesy for old friends expired years ago, I guess, so whatever.
Common courtesy ended when lies, insults, and collective punishment started, yes. As for bringing it in space? I've seen logs of conversations referring to the Rote Kapelle as an "enemy alliance" in a temporal point where we believed we had a mutual +5 with your alliance, which obviously was an error. We'll "bring it" when there's a point to bringing it. At this point in time the biggest effect that Star Fraction has on us is... well... a bit of nostalgia and some IGS amusement between flights.
Originally by: Tara Armitage STIM wants a war that we start, so they can run and hide and tell us to come and find them and continue pretending on the forums, after they quickly run out of guts to actually fight it.
You have fallen far if you have deluded yourself enough to believe that to be true. We quite simply do not have reason to bother. But we have spent the better part of years hearing your executor spew gall about how evil and terrible we are (even while we notionally held positive standings to each other) without doing anything about it... So maybe I could have asked the same thing of you?
Or is it maybe the fact that neither is interested enough in warring the other to bother pressing the button, and all this posturing is just a cheap way of building ego on a public forum that itself is laughably devoid of relevance?
Originally by: Tara Armitage Then when we move on to other targets they will once more run to forums. But we couldn't care less about them, our cast outs and former defeated enemies. All they are at this point is annoyance on various comms.
You could care less about us, since if you cared less you wouldn't waste the time writing those words down. Stop kidding yourself and admit that you are upset and would like to kick some teeth in, but not upset enough to take time off your existing schedule to do so. That's about how it is, no? Then entertain the though that just MAYBE that's what the other side feels as well?
Originally by: Tara Armitage You want something more STIM? Come and get it, you have the button like you always did. You know where we are. You always did, and never come in space; yet are always present on the forums. Cowards.
I can give you a list of about 50 alliances and 300 corporations that have said exactly that to the Star Fraction. I felt it a rediculous and shamefully stupid line of argumentation that only belies the irrational fury of the issuer at the time when I was a Star Fraction and Jericho Fraction director, and I feel about the same about it now. Of course, I would not have expected you specifically to be one to utter such flagrant stupidity, but that does not cancel the judgement.
Originally by: Tara Armitage Bring it *****es - I dare you. Bring it, already. I won't hold my breath, because you are quitters with big mouths, no balls and limp ****s. Bring it and prove me wrong. You can't because I am right. I know it, you know it, and now everyone knows it.
Hm, quitter with big mouths, no balls and limp ****s... Well, two out of three right. I have a big mouth - just like you do, eminently displayed just there - and I do suffer a lack of "balls". I do not have a "limp ****" though... See, I happen to be this thing called "female", I'm sure you'd find out about it if you stepped into the shower and inspected yourself for a while.
Can we there agree that that was pretty silly? I mean, for someone who wants to seem like the victim of someone else's angry vendetta you sure are spouting a weird amount of expletives...
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