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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3760
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:50:00 -
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"The person who reported the issue will receive the usual PLEX for Snitches reward."
aahahahahaha |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3760
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:52:00 -
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That graph is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3764
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:59:00 -
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Is it an exploit to take advantage of a naturally occuring disparity between market price and average price? In essence, can I farm this system if I didn't tamper with the average price in any way? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3767
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:20:00 -
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Apparent Decadence wrote:Market manipulation is par for the course for Eve. No one seems to be bothered about the other side of this scheme - pre-arranged PVP kills.
In most PVP games, this is punishable. In Eve, it's not usually worthwhile. Here it was. Should it be punished? hell no |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3768
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:53:00 -
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Nagapito wrote: So... This means that insurance fraud is actually an exploit? If, somehow, mineral prices hit the ground tomorrow and we start building and blowing ships for the insurance ISK, we are exploiting?
That's sort of what we're asking. It's clear it's an exploit to manipulate the price, then use it. What we're asking is if it's an exploit to use a differential we didn't create. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3768
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: As it stands today our stance is that buying something and purposely blowing it up to generate value in another currency is exploiting. It was clearly not our intent in creating the system for that to occur. The system was meant to encourage PVP not wanton suicidal destruction to print money.
I guess it would somewhat logically be the same to use an example as going to the lamp shop in America, buying a lamp and smashing it, and having the Chinese manufacturer send more money than you paid for it to your account over and over and over again. It's a bit of a stretch in my opinion at least to think this would ever be acceptable.
I don't agree with this decision, but thanks for being clear about it. I would like to point out, however, that the second paragraph absolutely is acceptable and always has been in EVE: insurance fraud is allowed, has always been allowed, and although mechanisms were put in place to reduce its occurrence has never been considered an exploit. And it is straight minerals -> isk conversion, much as these mechanisms allow item -> lp conversion.
I also think it's untenable to try to create a system where you can easily and obviously convert things to LP but you are not allowed to, but that's more a problem for your team and discovering it's not really enforceable. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3771
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:25:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I'm discussing this exploit not any one of a number of hypothetical past or future exploits. (or non-exploits)
The issue is the thing you've said directly applies to insurance fraud. Insurance fraud was directly a case where you blew something up and got more than the value of that item back - in isk not an alternative currency like lp. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3771
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:36:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I don't disagree at all I'm just tired and really not prepared to compare one to the other. I'm still heads down in fixing this one.
Understandable - thanks! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3771
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:55:00 -
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By the way, if I were you I might fix the ibis price (141k last I checked). I can't think of a way to abuse it but given it's free, once someone does boy will it be hilarious. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3772
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:33:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I think I explained in terms of exploitation where the issue was (BLOWING UP SHIPS TO MAKE MAGIC STUFF APPEAR) and I'm not really going to get involved in a philosophical debate about what "value" means. I'm a security guy not the philosophy or economics guy. I'm sure they'd love to have such a discourse. :)
Make them come have this discussion tia |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3772
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:43:00 -
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I do have to wonder if 1000x the normal faction warfare lp being generated in a day doesn't "properly register" just how bonkers you would have to go before the person monitoring that stuff actually immediately grasped there was A Problem. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3773
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:59:00 -
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While I see the rationale in simply banning LP farming - it is too difficult to ram a solution through quickly and not really your problem - it offends my EVE sensibilities to have a system that I am forbidden from using for something other than its intended purpose. I would hope that once the team has had a chance to look at this again and actually fix it, the ban on farming will be removed. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3774
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:38:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:ROFLMAO
I have always said that people who find exploits like this are: a) brilliant b) spend too much time in-game
I think CCP should hire those five guys to do testing. I'll bet they'll find all kinds of stuff while simultaneously being more effective than the current testers. most of the theoretical work for this comes from shooting the **** on jabber, not actually being in-game
eaugh, being in-game |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3774
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:38:00 -
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thats like what ratters and miners and other peasants do |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3774
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Posted - 2012.06.29 00:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I'm pretty sure that's not how this works and is specifically spoken against in the blog. While a great deal of LP was generated here the vast majority wasn't cashed out making it just a number in people's wallets. The proceeds were seized. No advantage is had. The market could have been crashed but the issue was reported instead. I know that will never be enough for some and that we're not going to please everyone but at the very least if you're going to post in this thread please at least make a modicum of effort to read the blog in question.
sreegs it's 12:40 am over there go to sleep |
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