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Raimo
Gam3rs For Lif3
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Posted - 2010.01.27 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 27/01/2010 16:55:27
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: CrazySpaceHobo Classic AML Caracal This will Kill it, For sure. I've taken orbiting intys into low-armor in one volley with this, it's comedy to see them try and flee once they realise they're done for.
Dual-prop dramiel will just escape if it's going to lose - because this caracal doesn't have enough real dps to kill it fast. That's not the case for thrasher/sabre - they can't control distance but will pop dual-prop dramiel pretty fast, most likely before dramiel notices that it's too late.
Navy caracal probably would work but OTOH I at least would bail at first sight of AML's
OTOH
:CVA:
BTW, I too can take on the Wolf challenge ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Gam3rs For Lif3
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Posted - 2010.01.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ammy Azimuth
Originally by: James Tritanius
Your dramiel fit has dead-space prop mods and yet you don't allow faction items?
Do you know the prices on those modules compared to faction scram/web? Deadspace AB/mwd are like 10m a piece, its cheap stuff. Faction scram/web can range anywhere from 40m-100m each.
And this is the assault missile launcher caracal I'd try against a dramiel.
[Caracal, New Setup 1] xxxxxxxxx
Heavy missile baits the dramiel into scram range, at which point scram and double web ruin it.
You can drop the large shield extender for a long range point to further bait them since it looks like you don't have a scram but thats riskier imo, not sure you got enough buffer, but you might.
Reading comprehension please
Originally by: Raimo
OTOH
:CVA:
I'll spell it out:
[Caracal, Veras's Caracal] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Tracking Disruptor I,Optimal Range Disruption
Medium Energy Neutralizer II Assault Missile Launcher II,Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II,Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II,Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II,Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II's
at least doesn't work
and BAWWW, Intigo ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Gam3rs For Lif3
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Posted - 2010.01.27 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 And td and ccc...
And hence :CVA:
TBH it's still on the "right track" so to speak. IIRC the fight was pretty close so I guess with a proper fit I would have diaf'd, though in fights like that piloting skills and SP's do play a big factor as well... ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Gam3rs For Lif3
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Posted - 2010.01.29 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Glarion Garnier I hope I come across one of those dramiels ..
Famous last wishes ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.30 15:41:00 -
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o\
:siigari: ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.01 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
in other words why would you ever fly any other frig ever again but a Dramiel? the cost is too low to be a barrier to a very large percentage of PVPers.
To get fights, for one. (Though where I mostly hang out atm that is not a problem.) ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:48:00 -
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FWIW only one destroyer pilot has taken my Dramiel down 1v1 and he was not flying a Thrasher... (And it was mostly my own error, like usual)
So far all the Thrashers I've met have died, both Arty and AC fit. Of course most of these have been in Providence so I wouldn't really call it a good sampling of the finest Thrasher pilots in EVE ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.01 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo Sure, its a great ship maybe even too great but to claim it has no counters and you can't kill one and it flies everywhere without a scratch is pure bull****.
/Thread ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.02 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 02/02/2010 08:49:11
Jesus, it really is nanowhine reloaded!
The game is getting more fun again after the disaster that was QR, beg for boosts to other ships instead of joining the carebear nerfwagon you dimwits! I won't let you idgits destroy my gameplay *again*! :P
(Actually that's what I hope will happen, now they boosted faction frigs spearheaded by the Dram, then they'll do AFs and rockets, then T3 frigs, after this ceptors start to *really* need a boost etc... Soon HACs need a speed boost as well! )
Also, fly better. ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.04 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 04/02/2010 13:46:53 riiight. i don't know frig combat. this week alone i beat Ares Navy Slicer Crusader in a jaguar. solo. no scouts. no corp to back me up.
you use the fact that i was beaten by a dramiel to back up the argument that it should not be nerfed? thank you for showing it should.
sure that fit sucked i admit. i was experimenting with new fits (how fast can i make a jaguar) and it didn't succeed. so what. nothing to do with the subject at hand. better open-minded than being such a snob.
Dude, I especially picked a dram as I saw it was you, for epicness ;) (And the alternative would have been a Ruppie or Cynabal so W/E)
And 3 frigate hull kills "solo.no scouts.no corp to back me up" does not make you to "know frig combat", from what it looks like you're about getting started on the curriculum so to say... ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
Originally by: Intigo
And no, I don't really care about the Dramiel.
and i care about how a bitter old vet like yourself is so snobbish he thinks he has some right to try to suppress younger enterprising players like myself through petty personal attacks. zzzzzz
Dude, don't mind Intigo but Kimura is a young enterprising player if I ever saw one. Kimura is 6 months younger than Darthewok so he can flame you right?
(Like pointed out he also EFTed the "standard" dual prop dram fit first AFAIK ;) )
Oh, I'll join the don't care if dram is nerfed crowd but it would be a damn shame tbh. The game needs more speedy guerilla ships, not less. IMHO and all... ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 04/02/2010 16:16:02
Originally by: Darthewok
i really sympathize on wanting stuff that can do guerilla stuff vs blobs. i want that too actually but unfortunately have to oppose dramiel as it wrecks frig v frig balance.
Well, here's something we can actually have a discussion about. What if a few key boats currently lacking were buffed instead to fix that frig v frig balance? Rocket boost et al, you know...
Like I said, it really is the age old nanowhine/ because of falcon thing again... I'm just concerned in the direction this particular nerf would take the game (again), not that concerned about the dramiel per se.
It's just the way they work the game and keep us all training for new stuff really, there always has to be new "best" and FOTM ships for the gameplay to stay fresh... ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.05 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
No amount of complaining about how it's overpowered or how it is the best ship in multiple classes is going to get CCP to change their minds.
Oh how very wrong you are
the problem is when ccp does nerf the dramiel, it will be subpar at best, completely useless at worst
This really. When they nerfbat things they almost *never* settle for "enough". ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa The Taranis was the undisputed brawler of choice, and while some may disagree I believe it remains to be. Unless you're finding brawling Dramiels which in my opinion is dangerous and foolhardy.
Let it go. CCP is going to leave it alone.
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Asuka Smith An incursus would have solod that fit bro
This. For beating your chest about how everybody is "terrible" and has "terrible" fits let me be the first to say:
That fit is terrible.
HOHOHO
Dude, "that terrible fit" and it's derivatives is the reason everyone is complaining about the dram... And yeah, it's a scramrange brawler/kiter, it will die to blobbing (I'm proof of that)
Also, Ranis is now obsoleted by the Comet (directly, stat- by stat) and at least Dramiel and the Daredevil (semi- directly)
Stop sucking at the game tbh ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 06/02/2010 19:23:28
Originally by: Deva Blackfire What im saying the line of defence of unbalanced ships/weapons/whatever on EVE forums are always hilarious. Its supposed to be good coz its expensive is ALWAYS the first one. Suddenly you find worse but more expensive ship and line of defence changes drastically (because its dramiel, because its fast, because its supposed to be better anyways, because of falcon - select ones you prefer).
And when it comes to dramiel i already said all that had to be. Lose midslot or lose speed.
Actually, IMHO CCP made the new faction ships (and pirate ships especially) "OP" by design, like they even hinted at in the devblog. They wanted to shake up gameplay, *and* they wanted to reward and incentisive the pirate faction mission runners (and the new epic arcs) with great LP/ ISK. They wanted to boost 0.0 iskmaking, remember?
Now if the dram was nerfed its price would crash and that mission would have failed, so they really should just boost some of the less used pirate frigs and leave it at that (and IMHO they might actually do just that without doing much to the dram)...
The AF and rocket boosts are hopefully coming soon as well as well as T3 frigs (I wish) so things will change yet again pretty soon anyway. ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.07 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
The complaint is that it can't be soloed even if you specifically counterfit your regular frig to beat it (and end up with a reasonable setup). All other ships can be soloed by many other frig-size ships if they counterfit. The Dramiel itself makes the best counter to a Dramiel. That makes a Dramiel viral, and *that* is the main problem. The more Dramiels there are, the bigger the incentive for other people to fly Dramiel too.
Really, use a daredevil, it's the perfect counter and also overall better 1v1, just not as flexible in 1v many and GTFO. Also, I'm pretty confident that a Comet would stand a very good chance, though the dram might decide to disengage... (Dram would have to be kiting at around 7-9k on the very edge of it's scramrange to outdps the comet, so if the comet got a few good volleys in sub 5k it might go well) ____________________________________________________________
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.08 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
b) say that I didn't realize how many whiny "PvPers" EVE had accumulated over the past two years
This, though the falcon and nano threads were actually way more epic than these (so far) ____________________________________________________________
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