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DaiTengu
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani sup thread!
while i'm at the gdc i expect to chill out in the vip lounge, go to a lot of parties and blunder around with my space buddies
it's pretty cool because it's san fransisco in spring, i can't wait!
<insert obligatory homosexual reference here>
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Tamir Lenk
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:16:00 -
[62]
Originally by: The Mittani sup thread!
while i'm at the gdc i expect to chill out in the vip lounge, go to a lot of parties and blunder around with my space buddies
it's pretty cool because it's san fransisco in spring, i can't wait!
San Francisco in the Spring! Count me in. We can hold hands and check out some leather bars.
:hi5:
Because I am gay, you see.
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:18:00 -
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wow this alexen guy wrote a lot of words about me, this owns
he seems a lil mad!
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen Edited by: Liam Fremen on 28/01/2010 02:59:22
Anyway, since we are speaking about this, i would like to remember some of the advice that Mittani gave to all of us, and i ask him to kindly update those guides on ten ton hammer that he is so proud of, i'll help him a bit:
37: War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning I agree, the leaders of -A-, SysK and IT did not like the situation they were faced with but i think that worst thing can happen to an alliance right?
27: The Five Types of Alliance Leaders Kindly add in this guide a 6th kind -> The one that goes in vacation while beign not easily reachable without giving out roles to trusted people,
I may be a terrible poster (i'm actually a terrible poster) but around 50 people in my alliance have my mobile phone number, and for respect to my alliance members when i go around i always have a notebook with mobile connection able to login in eve just in case **** hit the fan.
21: How to Survive a Failure Cascade Trust No One -> Except Mittani Only Fly What You Can Afford to Lose -> Yea it sounds right Don't Hoard (don't stock everything in one conquerable station) -> Should be specified that placing everything in 2 station is not included in this definition Anticipate the Enemy -> Specify that if you loose everything in 12 hours is hard to do this point, maybe underline it or something Chart the War Yourself (If something is going horribly wrong in your alliance, you can't trust your leaders to tell you; they'd probably prefer you not to know) -> it's mittani words guys trust him... or not?
20: Inside the Failure Cascade Sustained Adversity -> Failure of Rationalization -> Collective Helplessness -> Change in Identification -> Collapse and Recovery You should add "Mess up everything in 12 hours" before "sustained adversity" or specify that as an option.
Originally by: Chrisis Fae
Can you please explain the connection between espionage and paying bills? This is crucial, we need all the help we can get.
I think that the best thing that Mittani did is find a way to make everyone forget about how much he ****ed up while gathering intelligence on my alliance! that's a very good work Mittani, or they just "try to negate" it?
i'm sorry for your posting liam baby
also your waistline~
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Snot Shot on 28/01/2010 18:31:07
Originally by: The Mittani wow this alexen guy wrote a lot of words about me, this owns
he seems a lil mad!
Nope Mitts, I don't think he's mad, I think he is just pointing out what a fool you are to the EVE Community that's all....
. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: The Mittani wow this alexen guy wrote a lot of words about me, this owns
he seems a lil mad!
Nope Alex, I don't think he's mad, I think he is just pointing out what a fool you are to the EVE Community that's all....
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oh god whatever will i do
buy another netbook or take another trip to iceland? another binge in vegas? it is a mystery!
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: The Mittani wow this alexen guy wrote a lot of words about me, this owns
he seems a lil mad!
Nope Alex, I don't think he's mad, I think he is just pointing out what a fool you are to the EVE Community that's all....
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oh god whatever will i do
buy another netbook or take another trip to iceland? another binge in vegas? it is a mystery!
Just try not to look to foolish up there talking about space spying is all we can ask for while GoonSwarm burns to the ground back here ok...
. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Tronjay the'3rd
Caldari Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:49:00 -
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For all I know, Haargoth defected and lead to the fall of BoB.
Goons had nothing to do with it, they were just lucky and had the resources to take Delve.
At the end IT/BoB prevealed and Goons failed (like so many times I must admit). It's all a matter of perseverance, discipline and a bit of luck. Apparently IT had all of them unlike Goons.
The Mittani......hmm I feel sorry for him actually, seems he needs all this virtual attention in a 1001010001 spaceinternetgame to think he actually achieved something (what that something is ..... not known). At the end he is just another Goon with all the Goonlike features we all know.
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Gaston LeFontaine
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gaston LeFontaine on 28/01/2010 18:55:23 Edited by: Gaston LeFontaine on 28/01/2010 18:54:52
Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd For all I know, Haargoth defected and lead to the fall of BoB.
Goons had nothing to do with it, they were just lucky and had the resources to take Delve.
At the end IT/BoB prevealed and Goons failed (like so many times I must admit). It's all a matter of perseverance, discipline and a bit of luck. Apparently IT had all of them unlike Goons.
The Mittani......hmm I feel sorry for him actually, seems he needs all this virtual attention in a 1001010001 spaceinternetgame to think he actually achieved something (what that something is ..... not known). At the end he is just another Goon with all the Goonlike features we all know.
yes their plan to get us to not pay a bill worked flawlessly
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:54:00 -
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you boys really expect me to be all a bloo bloo bloo over our cfo screwing up?
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani you boys really expect me to be all a bloo bloo bloo over our cfo screwing up?
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
The funniest thing about this **** up by Goonies is that the majority of you rely heavily on your posting to influence the game by **** posting against your opponents down falls....like the post Dominion Titan nerf castrated PL, not paying your sov bill was GoonSwarms post Dominion castration... Priceless...
While PL will always be shot down in any posting skirmish, goons will never again have the upper hand in a CAOD thread which is just hilarious...
. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:14:00 -
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I know it is hard guys, but we didn't even get 16 hours of internal drama out of this.
Now sure why you even bother v0v
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Fat Ducker
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani you boys really expect me to be all a bloo bloo bloo over our cfo screwing up?
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
From what I understand of it, you actually anticipated problems such as this and repeatedly requested the roles that would have let you prevent it, but weren't granted them. Is this the case?
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:20:00 -
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i mean i can act upset if you'd like but like i said i'd rather we go up in flames because we did a dumb thing rather than our enemies taking us out vOv
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: The Mittani you boys really expect me to be all a bloo bloo bloo over our cfo screwing up?
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
From what I understand of it, you actually anticipated problems such as this and repeatedly requested the roles that would have let you prevent it, but weren't granted them. Is this the case?
yeah that's why i'm so sanguine about this
i went after karttoon for ghsc wallet access and he blew me off every time; apparently i can be trusted with the ability to disband the alliance, run the spy program, and oversee grand strategy but not ~the wallet~
so i tried to make sure i could manage things in his absence, i was stonewalled, what can you do vOv
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i mean i can act upset if you'd like but like i said i'd rather we go up in flames because we did a dumb thing rather than our enemies taking us out vOv
I think the nice blend of both reasons is working very well for everyone at this point.
. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: The Mittani i mean i can act upset if you'd like but like i said i'd rather we go up in flames because we did a dumb thing rather than our enemies taking us out vOv
I think
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Ah, I think I found the problem. |
Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: The Mittani i mean i can act upset if you'd like but like i said i'd rather we go up in flames because we did a dumb thing rather than our enemies taking us out vOv
I think
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Ah, I think I found the problem.
I will try a few out now:
Cu in jita 4-4 biatchees!! or hahaha you lost your region faster than PL did!!! or how about....gtfo of Delve you spineless trolls!!...
sorry just trying a few out....
. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
davet517
Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:35:00 -
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I make no comment about the politics involved, but these single points of failure in admin tools that can negate the efforts of thousands are just plain dumb, whether it's the disband button or massive sov drop.
It takes 24 hours to kick an individual member, but I can disband an alliance in a blink?
I get 24 hours notice that ONE POS is about to go offline, but all of my sov can drop with no warning at all?
Makes no sense.
Fix the disband button. Implement grace periods with warnings before massive sov drops ensue, or, if you want the game to be won and lost by admins and bean-counters, at least make it consistant. ---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out. |
Issabella
Caldari Blackwater Syndicate Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
. . .
so i tried to make sure i could manage things in his absence, i was stonewalled, what can you do vOv
Move to Syndicate with a "We Didn't Want Delve Anyway" internet swagger while being the laughing stock of the greater balance of Eve. That's what you can do.
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Dianabolic
Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: davet517 I make no comment about the politics involved, but these single points of failure in admin tools that can negate the efforts of thousands are just plain dumb, whether it's the disband button or massive sov drop.
It takes 24 hours to kick an individual member, but I can disband an alliance in a blink?
I get 24 hours notice that ONE POS is about to go offline, but all of my sov can drop with no warning at all?
Makes no sense.
Fix the disband button. Implement grace periods with warnings before massive sov drops ensue, or, if you want the game to be won and lost by admins and bean-counters, at least make it consistant.
As much as I agree about "****ty game mechanics"... in this case it doesn't apply.
See, you get MORE than 24h notice, you get a bill that sits in "automatically paid" for at least a week. Then it gets to deadline day and if it hasn't already been paid...
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davet517
Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: davet517 on 28/01/2010 20:59:57
Originally by: Dianabolic
As much as I agree about "****ty game mechanics"... in this case it doesn't apply.
See, you get MORE than 24h notice, you get a bill that sits in "automatically paid" for at least a week. Then it gets to deadline day and if it hasn't already been paid...
I don't see it. If a POS is going to run out of fuel you get everyone and their brother spammed once an hour about it. That's a little different from a line in a tab that maybe one guy in the entire alliance looks at ever.
I'm thinking that if the mechanics in this case started spamming "Your sov in system XXX will drop in less than a day" mails, something like this would be unlikely to happen, just like it would if all director and aboves got "Your alliance is disbanding in less than a day" mails.
Like I said, if the intent really is to have administrative screw ups or malicious behavior be catistrophic for thousands, it at least should be consistent.
Edit: I will add though that in our alliance we kept all of the sov holding structures under single corp ownership, coming out of one wallet for just this reason. We did see something like this coming given how the mechanics work. ---------------- We're recruiting quality players. Check us out. |
General Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.28 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i'm sorry for your posting liam baby
also your waistline~
I don't get it. You say you're not mad, and we've got no reason not to believe you. But you must admit it does sound pretty mad when the first post after your alliance is dismantled is to launch an abusive personal attack on someone's waistline. Are you absolutely sure you're not just a teensy bit mad?
Twitter:@genrlwindypops
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Viper ShizzIe
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.28 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani apparently i can be trusted with the ability to disband the alliance, run the spy program, and oversee grand strategy but not ~the wallet~
How's that going for you?
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Rani McGee
Minmatar The Resurging Wind Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2010.01.28 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: The Mittani i'm sorry for your posting liam baby
also your waistline~
I don't get it. You say you're not mad, and we've got no reason not to believe you. But you must admit it does sound pretty mad when the first post after your alliance is dismantled is to launch an abusive personal attack on someone's waistline. Are you absolutely sure you're not just a teensy bit mad?
I for thank you on your campaign to clean CAOD up of all the terrible memes Goonswarm subjected us to.
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: The Mittani apparently i can be trusted with the ability to disband the alliance, run the spy program, and oversee grand strategy but not ~the wallet~
How's that going for you?
How are your ~wolfpax~?
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Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Whisper on 28/01/2010 23:01:18
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: The Mittani you boys really expect me to be all a bloo bloo bloo over our cfo screwing up?
i mean i'd feel really terrible if i wandered off and annihilated goonswarm but i didn't so vOv
From what I understand of it, you actually anticipated problems such as this and repeatedly requested the roles that would have let you prevent it, but weren't granted them. Is this the case?
yeah that's why i'm so sanguine about this
i went after karttoon for ghsc wallet access and he blew me off every time; apparently i can be trusted with the ability to disband the alliance, run the spy program, and oversee grand strategy but not ~the wallet~
so i tried to make sure i could manage things in his absence, i was stonewalled, what can you do vOv
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I know a director and above can change wallet divisions and transfer isk from wallet area to another.. I'm also pretty sure directors and above in the holding corphave the ability to disband the alliance.
So, I'm not entirely sure how you didn't have the trust to pay the sov bill. United we stand, divided we fall. |
General Windypops
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.28 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but a director can change wallet divisions. I'm also pretty sure directors and above have the ability to disband the alliance.
At the end of the day who cares? They lost.
Twitter:@genrlwindypops
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Aryen Striker
Caldari Anger Management
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Posted - 2010.01.28 23:13:00 -
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at Goons .... The only thing you good at is failing.
How shall we remember ...... oh .... whats that alliance name again.
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Rani McGee
Minmatar The Resurging Wind Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2010.01.28 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aryen Striker at Goons .... The only thing you good at is failing.
How shall we remember ...... oh .... whats that alliance name again.
Goons. You said it just a sentence before. Get off the dope bro it will kill you.
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