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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 11:19:00 -
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Now, i'm sure im gonna get a lot of trolls attracted to this post but..meh.
This is the second time in as many weeks that my trading alt has been suicided for nothing (imo)
First time i was afk flying un-tanked (1MSE) and i got suicided for 20m isk worth of ammo. The suicider said he was just bored..fair enough.. learned my lesson..always afk with more tank..
2nd time just happened in jita.. all i was carrying was 3 Jaguars (66m total) I kinda thought nothing of taking them up to jita on AP as i had 4MSE's and it's not really that much isk..
But damn.. it's annoying re-fitting and replacing iterons (and adds to the loss)..
Dunno something seems wrong with the mechanic if people can train up an alt..gank whatever they like for small isk..then just bio the character..
Btw i can't put any more tank on an itty mk 4. and i have 20more days till indy 5 when i can just AP transports. (and i do manually fly my t1 indys if they are carrying over 100m of stuff)
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Millie Clode
Amarr
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.17 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Dunno something seems wrong with the mechanic if people can train up an alt..gank whatever they like for small isk..then just bio the character..
1. Biomassing your character to escape bad sec status/revenge wardecs is an exploit and you can petition it.
2. If you are carrying anything remotely valuable, don't afk, it's just asking for it
3. fitting a hauler with 4 MSEs just means you have a crap resist profile. Anyone who packs EM damage will rip right through you. Not that a half-decent suicide ganker is going to be scared off by the tank a hauler can sport
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 11:32:00 -
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ahh.. fair enough... better keep tabs on the 2 gankers..is there a timeline where they are allowed to biomass?
aOh yea..my tanking wasn't really thought thru..i'll fit some resists next time..
i was kinda surprised.. jita is 0.9 and my ehp was around 9k.. even a tempest has trouple doing that kinda alpha.. waiting for the api to pick up the kill so i can see wtf i was hit with.
oh, and to the trolls..not really any tears as she trades to buy herself plex and she is paid up for another 6 weeks or so.. i am a little peeved that i didn;t get to explode the jaguars myself in RvB, i was considering it but i already have enough fitted for now.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 11:35:00 -
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Use the cloak&MWD trick the proper way, thing is that T1 haulers have issues fitting them. Use a DS transport or Orca instead.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva
Use the cloak&MWD trick the proper way, thing is that T1 haulers have issues fitting them. Use a DS transport or Orca instead.
I would..but i am 20days from transports + it doesn't work afk.. every time i've been ganked is just moving lo-value items around on an alt.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:12:00 -
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Eve is back up so i just checked.. Smartbomb Phoon got me in jita..i thought i heard a while ago that smartbombs were banned in jita?
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Buchatar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Eve is back up so i just checked.. Smartbomb Phoon got me in jita..i thought i heard a while ago that smartbombs were banned in jita?
Where are you getting your info from? O.o
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Destroperuk
Auctoritas Fleet
Auctoritas Empire
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Eve is back up so i just checked.. Smartbomb Phoon got me in jita..i thought i heard a while ago that smartbombs were banned in jita?
Where was this? Because it's not easy to successfully smartbomb 4-4 because of the enormous hitbox it has.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 12:39:00 -
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heard it a long time ago when i was a noob and spent time in the space bar..always took it for truth..don't know why now looking back.
It wasn't on station. it was at a gate. Taking my kids to the park at the time and didn't think about logging off, downtime normally takes care of that :)
The character is now a -10 and in a n00b corp, guess i should watch to see if it gets biomassed.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2010.01.17 13:53:00 -
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It won't, because it is -10 for a long time already. He has an alt who gives the phoon to that char, which then warps down to the gate and smartbombs (which btw is fully allowed by the rules). Just don't fly afk, or serve the consequences.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:22:00 -
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ahh.. fair enough.. nice tactic ... hmm i have a free alt slot i think, this might be a good money maker.
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Bunzan Cardinal
CASCADE OF SPECTRES
Emergence.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 17/01/2010 15:48:12
noticed this as well on my alt ... a cov ops (helios) alt... All he has of value on him is a covert ops cloak T2 and maybe the AB. The items in total are probably worth 12mil and people have suicided it in BSes twice.... Ever since then though i just started running to jita in my shuttle or atron.
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Genuine Alt
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Posted - 2010.01.17 16:02:00 -
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I'm puzzled by the comments above about a -10 char being given a bs which he then suicides...
Wouldn't a -10 char in a bs just get attacked immediately by concord in 0.9 space (in this case Jita)? I don't see how he'd have the time to fly the bs in and kill anything.
And who gets the insurance payment for the ship? The original char who paid it?
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Khanoonian Singh
Anodyne Biotech
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Posted - 2010.01.17 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Genuine Alt
I'm puzzled by the comments above about a -10 char being given a bs which he then suicides...
Wouldn't a -10 char in a bs just get attacked immediately by concord in 0.9 space (in this case Jita)? I don't see how he'd have the time to fly the bs in and kill anything.
And who gets the insurance payment for the ship? The original char who paid it?
Concord doesn't deal with -10 or anysec status, that is the Faction Navy, they are evadable and not wtfinstapwn like Concord.
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Trvaeler
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Posted - 2010.01.17 16:32:00 -
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Put it this way; The vast majority of players enjoy Eve, not due to the non-consensual PVP, but do to the activities they can do in empire (in safety). Consensual PVP is also enjoyed by most, as is 'flying internet spaceships' ;)
For the less intelligent: Eve's subscriber momentum, despite it's massive spending on marketing and new features is at best 'meh'. There are lots of new signups, but the majority of them don't stay on long.
Face it, most people like to carebear. The minority of people that like to destroy inferior, unarmed ships are in the minority. So much so in the minority that CCP would go bankrupt if only those people were subscribers.
The bulk of CCPs income, comes from carebears who don't want EVE to be 'less safe' than it is now. You like "harsh realities", well here it is; As time goes on, Eve will become a much 'safer' place and if CCP survives, I guarantee a few years down the road, high-sec will be 100% safe. It's called capitalism, where what the majority of people want, they get. The minority can take it and stfu or leave.
I personally don't have a problem with this. There should be an area where people can mine/run missions/trade/move around etc all day long in complete safety. If you want to take risk, then go down to lowsec/null and play around.
Let's stop the charade here; almost all the kills on a daily basis (ignoring null alliance wars here) are from experienced, smarter, better equipped players ganking (be it in high/low/null) dumber, less experienced and less equipped players (read: big strong ship killing weak inferior ship).
IE: The game is not fun for peeps too stupid/lazy to defend themselves (read: the majority of the player base).
Risk/Reward you say?? Where is the risk in ganking a solo hulk from a guy in a 1 man corp for instance? That's not risk/reward, that's taking advantage of the weak, with your only reward knowing you made a 13 year old cry in RL when the hulk he worked 6 months to get is popped.
When I fight a worthy adversary, it makes me feel good to win. Camping a gate with 10 of my fellow corp mates and killing that lone empty hauler coming through doesn't do it for me. (and the same goes for the vast majority of players)
It may be the minority that is active here in the forums, but the silent majority are the ones making it profitable for CCP.
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Sister Tisiphone
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Posted - 2010.01.17 17:04:00 -
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Trvaeler hit it bang on.
I'm too lazy to look up the CCP quote, but a couple of months, one of the devs pointed out the change in mission hubs in hi-sec Caldari space was specifically because the majority of their paying playerbase are hi-sec carebears.
Trvaeler also said the key word: Capitalism: Yes, there is a fictional economy in Eve, but the real economy for CCP is the subscription fees they get.
Yes, there are gankers and griefers in hi sec - Events like Hulkageddon, however, raise the ire of a lot of the hi sec carebears who are thinking "I pay $15 a month to fly internet spaceships, mine rock and play with a fictional market - I don't need some 12 year old with testosterone issues wrecking this for me" - When they stop seeing value for that $15 a month - they stop paying.
I would be *stunned* if Hulkageddon didn't cost CCP a number of paying accounts from customers who figured the game wasn't living up to what it advertised: I.e. hi sec "safe" game playing without non-consensual griefing (And you cannot call ganking miners "PvP" no matter how lose you are with the definition)
Me, I'm getting ready to finally dip my toes into lo sec in a while - but that's my choice. Take that choice away from a lot of people and they simply will not pay for what they did not choose.
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Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.17 17:19:00 -
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Hulkagedoon is a different beast really. The miners get warning. and if they are sensible they don't lose ships.
only 2 pieces of advice i've heard vs. suiciders are either tank yer hauler (which i unsuccessfully did) or don't AP.. which i don't when xporting anything valuable.. tbh i think it's the miners fault for selling their minerals too damn cheap...maybe ccp should spawn the roids less often to make some competition in mining?
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2010.01.17 17:52:00 -
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Quote:
only 2 pieces of advice i've heard vs. suiciders are either tank yer hauler (which i unsuccessfully did) or don't AP.. which i don't when xporting anything valuable.. tbh i think it's the miners fault for selling their minerals too damn cheap...maybe ccp should spawn the roids less often to make some competition in mining?
Or you could use a transport ship or a freighter, for cheaper stuff.
It would be stupid to reduce roid-spawnage, as the highsec minerals come mostly from refined mission loot.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Now, i'm sure im gonna get a lot of trolls attracted to this post but..meh.
This is the second time in as many weeks that my trading alt has been suicided for nothing (imo)
First time i was afk flying un-tanked (1MSE) and i got suicided for 20m isk worth of ammo. The suicider said he was just bored..fair enough.. learned my lesson..always afk with more tank..
2nd time just happened in jita.. all i was carrying was 3 Jaguars (66m total) I kinda thought nothing of taking them up to jita on AP as i had 4MSE's and it's not really that much isk..
But damn.. it's annoying re-fitting and replacing iterons (and adds to the loss)..
Dunno something seems wrong with the mechanic if people can train up an alt..gank whatever they like for small isk..then just bio the character..
Btw i can't put any more tank on an itty mk 4. and i have 20more days till indy 5 when i can just AP transports. (and i do manually fly my t1 indys if they are carrying over 100m of stuff)
How can you say lesson learned and then state you flew afk the second time (contradiction anyone?)? The lesson is simple really: DONT FLY AFK! If you are there and see the scan mecanism on you, warp to nearest station and dock, do not go through the gate as there will be people waiting for you on the other side.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trvaeler
Edited by: Trvaeler on 17/01/2010 16:40:08
Put it this way; The vast majority of players enjoy Eve, not due to the non-consensual PVP, but do to the activities they can do in empire (in safety). Consensual PVP is also enjoyed by most, as is 'flying internet spaceships' ;)
For the less intelligent: Eve's subscriber momentum, despite it's massive spending on marketing and new features is at best 'meh'. There are lots of new signups, but the majority of them don't stay on long.
Face it, most people like to carebear. The minority of people that like to destroy inferior, unarmed ships are in the minority. So much so in the minority that CCP would go bankrupt if only those people were subscribers.
The bulk of CCPs income, comes from carebears who don't want EVE to be 'less safe' than it is now. You like "harsh realities", well here it is; As time goes on, Eve will become a much 'safer' place and if CCP survives, I guarantee a few years down the road, high-sec will be 100% safe. It's called capitalism, where what the majority of people want, they get. The minority can take it and stfu or leave.
I personally don't have a problem with this. There should be an area where people can mine/run missions/trade/move around etc all day long in complete safety. If you want to take risk, then go down to lowsec/null and play around.
Let's stop the charade here; almost all the kills on a daily basis (ignoring null alliance wars here) are from experienced, smarter, better equipped players ganking (be it in high/low/null) dumber, less experienced and less equipped players (read: big strong ship killing weak inferior ship).
IE: The game is not fun for peeps too stupid/lazy to defend themselves (read: the majority of the player base).
Risk/Reward you say?? Where is the risk in ganking a solo hulk from a guy in a 1 man corp for instance? That's not risk/reward, that's taking advantage of the weak, with your only reward knowing you made a 13 year old cry in RL when the hulk he worked 6 months to get is popped.
When I fight a worthy adversary, it makes me feel good to win. Camping a gate with 10 of my fellow corp mates and killing that lone empty hauler coming through doesn't do it for me. (and the same goes for the vast majority of players)
It may be the minority that is active here in the forums, but the silent majority are the ones making it profitable for CCP.
That's why WOW is much much much, much much more profitable for Blizzard than Eve is for CCP.
*Edited to summarize point of this whole post: Soon, suicide ganking in highsec will be made impossible and anyone in highsec will be 100% safe from everything, including scamming. Don't believe me? Just wait :)
And by your logic starwars galaxies is a huge succes at this point? Started as a niche game where very few players were able to achieve the ability to literally solo huge groups of people. WoW came out and they made it into a copy and all the players went to EVE and other nicha games, while a few WoW players were star wars fans and came over, most left again after a month or 2, leaving the game with a population of dissatisfied players hoping for a rollback and a bunch of children playing jedi online.
If WoW is so fantastic, why dont you just go play it? Why try to change the only harsh niche game into the mainstream game that WoW really is. Its not like the EVE playes go to WoW to change it, they just stay far far away because they would in a lot of cases rather cut off their right arm than playing WoW.
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FU22
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:43:00 -
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The "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" also includes what your carrying in what your flying 
Originally by: Millie Clode
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Sister Vengeance
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: FU22
The "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" also includes what your carrying in what your flying
This.
Not to mention the implants in your head :)
Assume every time you undock you're about to be 'sploded and podded - Life gets a lot easier if you play with that assumption :)
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Gallente
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:45:00 -
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Dude, honestly put some effort in.
1) No afk flying.
2) You said you are flying an Iteron. Yes they suck at anything that qualifies as serious tanking. But once you have Iteron 5, you have 5 mid slots. Toss some medium shield extenders and shield rechargers on it. Yes it won't do much but it can make a difference with casual suiciders.
3) if you are serious about avoiding getting ganked: blockade runners are the poor man's option to jump freighters.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Trvaeler
Let's stop the charade here; almost all the kills on a daily basis (ignoring null alliance wars here) are from experienced, smarter, better equipped players ganking (be it in high/low/null) dumber, less experienced and less equipped players (read: big strong ship killing weak inferior ship).
IE: The game is not fun for peeps too stupid/lazy to defend themselves (read: the majority of the player base).
Wait, so you're saying the better players are consistantly beating the worser players?
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!?!?!?
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Exaduss
Caldari
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:59:00 -
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I believe that W.o.W for EvE players already is in beta.
It's called Star Trek Online.
If you prefer to stay in New Eden however, H.T.F.U.
Cheers.
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Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Now, i'm sure im gonna get a lot of trolls attracted to this post but..meh.
This is the second time in as many weeks that my trading alt has been suicided for nothing (imo)
First time i was afk flying un-tanked (1MSE) and i got suicided for 20m isk worth of ammo. The suicider said he was just bored..fair enough.. learned my lesson..always afk with more tank..
2nd time just happened in jita.. all i was carrying was 3 Jaguars (66m total) I kinda thought nothing of taking them up to jita on AP as i had 4MSE's and it's not really that much isk..
But damn.. it's annoying re-fitting and replacing iterons (and adds to the loss)..
Dunno something seems wrong with the mechanic if people can train up an alt..gank whatever they like for small isk..then just bio the character..
Btw i can't put any more tank on an itty mk 4. and i have 20more days till indy 5 when i can just AP transports. (and i do manually fly my t1 indys if they are carrying over 100m of stuff)
Try something like this:
Itty V semi-safe afk hauler.
It won't protect you against everything, but it should protect you from most solo suicide gank attempts. Just remember that if there's a group of suicide gankers out and about,k you can expect to come back to a pod!
So remember, don't undock what you can't afford to lose. AFK hauling can be very expensive, so just be aware of the dangers before you go out and do it.
Also note that there's a suggestion in the comments to replace the shield power relays with power diagnostics. I didn't edit that fit cause I'm too lazy to update all the numbers, and my EFT warrioring info. But the power diagnostics are a better idea than the shield power relays for suicide ganks.
Remember that CONCORD takes longer to arrive in a .5 system than they do in a 1.0 system.
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The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Trvaeler
Edited by: Trvaeler on 17/01/2010 16:40:08
Put it this way; The vast majority of players enjoy Eve, not due to the non-consensual PVP, but do to the activities they can do in empire (in safety). Consensual PVP is also enjoyed by most, as is 'flying internet spaceships' ;)
For the less intelligent: Eve's subscriber momentum, despite it's massive spending on marketing and new features is at best 'meh'. There are lots of new signups, but the majority of them don't stay on long.
Face it, most people like to carebear. The minority of people that like to destroy inferior, unarmed ships are in the minority. So much so in the minority that CCP would go bankrupt if only those people were subscribers.
The bulk of CCPs income, comes from carebears who don't want EVE to be 'less safe' than it is now. You like "harsh realities", well here it is; As time goes on, Eve will become a much 'safer' place and if CCP survives, I guarantee a few years down the road, high-sec will be 100% safe. It's called capitalism, where what the majority of people want, they get. The minority can take it and stfu or leave.
I personally don't have a problem with this. There should be an area where people can mine/run missions/trade/move around etc all day long in complete safety. If you want to take risk, then go down to lowsec/null and play around.
Let's stop the charade here; almost all the kills on a daily basis (ignoring null alliance wars here) are from experienced, smarter, better equipped players ganking (be it in high/low/null) dumber, less experienced and less equipped players (read: big strong ship killing weak inferior ship).
IE: The game is not fun for peeps too stupid/lazy to defend themselves (read: the majority of the player base).
Risk/Reward you say?? Where is the risk in ganking a solo hulk from a guy in a 1 man corp for instance? That's not risk/reward, that's taking advantage of the weak, with your only reward knowing you made a 13 year old cry in RL when the hulk he worked 6 months to get is popped.
When I fight a worthy adversary, it makes me feel good to win. Camping a gate with 10 of my fellow corp mates and killing that lone empty hauler coming through doesn't do it for me. (and the same goes for the vast majority of players)
It may be the minority that is active here in the forums, but the silent majority are the ones making it profitable for CCP.
That's why WOW is much much much, much much more profitable for Blizzard than Eve is for CCP.
*Edited to summarize point of this whole post: Soon, suicide ganking in highsec will be made impossible and anyone in highsec will be 100% safe from everything, including scamming. Don't believe me? Just wait :)
I believe CCP would have something to say about that.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:38:00 -
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You cant tank a hauler, it is a free kill no matter what.
You cant tank a Hulk its a definite kill.Both my Hulks are tanked for rats in 0.0 an while they do a good job, they cant hold out against players.
Not everyone btw is 13, some of us are in 30-40s an more. While we enjoy being left alone to do our thing, we also played during Jihad an other ganking sessions an had no problems with it. My SOUL PROBLEM with hulka is the fact they targeted Day 1's in 1.0 an they know they did.
I will say it again, Removal of insurance, period...gone is the simplest wa to fix everything That lets the griefers kill anyone they want still but it also means they get a risk v reward like the rest of us. If I get ganked an loose my 250 mil isk Hulk an he looses nothing, all he gets is a silly status hit?? that is hardly good pvp mechanics.
If he looses a fitted Battleship or 4 to take me down then the risk he took to kill me paid off for me. yes I die, but then so does he so it evens out. It will mean killing someone in highsec becomes a paid job or a passtime if your bored an more isk than sence.
Dont kid yourselves, while some of the gankers are 0.0 pvpers the vast minority of them are just highsec Rens campers who will never see 04 let alone Outer Ring. Make em spend a few weeks in Goon territory, or in Catch, then come back to highsec.
PS just quietly, if anyone has a loc for AAA's hulks I'll pay for the BM, shh dont tell em though been looking for weeks an nothin.
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O'Nizzle
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:49:00 -
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i'm a carebear. i carebear to make money. however, i play eve for the pvp.
if eve becomes more like WoW, i'll just play WoW, since WoW is a better WoW than eve.
Suicide ganking is fun, even though I forgot to insure my Domi and accidently podded my alt (who had +4s)
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:49:00 -
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There is no non-consensual PvP in EVE. Once you have created an account, you have consented to PvP. It's a cold, harsh universe out there, and that's how CCP meant it to be.
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