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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.22 08:05:00 -
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Best dev blog ever. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.22 09:17:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Interesting.
Haven't yet "completed the investigation" but a pre-determined outcome seems to have been decided.
To me this seems horribly like CCP sour grapes as they were simply outclassed. Yeah, markets were trashed, but nothing was magically spawned - it was a poorly designed mechanic.
Even after the LP gimp GS simply adapted so CCP obviously knew something was up. They failed at game mechanics design and will now revert to hacks and gimps. They have just cracked the ***** because they were outplayed.
There is simply no other way to put it.
If this is so bad why aren't CCP launching investigations into people "abusing" the Margin Trading skill or people "abusing" the markets through manipulations?
Where's the CCP cavalry then? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 09:32:00 -
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atrum dux wrote:Wait so I'm getting banned for manipulating the jita market? Well if CCP do anything to GS over this conceivably - yes. A precedent will have been set.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:34:00 -
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I'm imagining the most popular GoogleGäó search performed in Iceland today was "What is an outlier?" EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:56:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Vile rat wrote:If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue. It seems positions are now clear.
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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:21:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics. In the spirit of providing facts is GS preparing any type of response if CCP having their backsides handed to them whimper their way over to their EULA and wield ban hammers or similar?
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:39:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Vile rat wrote:As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics. In the spirit of providing facts is GS preparing any type of response if CCP having their backsides handed to them whimper their way over to their EULA and wield ban hammers or similar? This is a video game. The people who run the video game are well within their rights to run their video game however they please. If they end up overreacting and become vindictive as a result of us informing them about the laughably broken game they provided for us, well I just don't know what our motivation would be in the future to tell them when we find things. I think that is a very reasonable position to take and I thank you for your response.
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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:In the spirit of providing facts is GS preparing any type of response if CCP having their backsides handed to them whimper their way over to their EULA and wield ban hammers or similar? Why should CCP do anything against GSF? I can't think of a valid reason for CCP to act against any person or any group, even though they are already flagging intent while the ink is still wet on the bug report.
CCP tried to buff a turd and just got crap everywhere. Their mess to clean up, but you can't punish people who stress your bad game design.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:48:00 -
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This thread just keeps delivering. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:16:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:When the sandbox collides with making a fool of the developer, guess which side of that will win? Most people don't thank you when you embarrass them publicly. So you reap your just reward. Too bad. The intention was never to embarrass them. It was content. I don't know why so many are spinning it that way. Burn Jita was content and we inflicted mass suffering upon the market and others. This was much the same, except directly on the markets. So what have CCP done to you so far? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:31:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Aryth wrote:The intention was never to embarrass them. It was content. I don't know why so many are spinning it that way. Burn Jita was content and we inflicted mass suffering upon the market and others. This was much the same, except directly on the markets. So what have CCP done to you so far? Seized anything remotely LP store relayed. Zeroed out LP stores. Even though some of the assets we had were of the same type. So they seized items not even related to the FW issue. To go further, they didn't even do it in a consistent manner, making it even wierder. I am not sure what the trigger was besides wealth confiscation. This sandpit just - took a turn for the douche.
So blind anger and retribution for a flawed game mechanic they knew about. The dev post in this thread reminded my of the post Incarna lash out. An embarrassed CCP usually react in ways they soon regret.
I think it's clear what kind of theme park CCP want to run now. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:56:00 -
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Aryth wrote:That is what is the most troubling about this. No way I thought this was coming. This was way inbounds to us.
I will be attending a wedding tomorrow, so gone pretty much the entire day and most of Sunday. So I will follow the thread when I can, but am waiting to see what their devblog says. This runs contrary to everything we thought so I am very curious to see their official stance. I imagine it would have been clear once you read this:CCP Sreegs wrote:By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. The underlying anger of being outplayed is evident.
And the fact that an "investigation" seems to be merely lip service to the stated pre-determined outcome.
If CCP are going to come out and say this kind of thing they need to back it up with reasons as to why. Will any analysis or findings be made public? With respect Aryth I'd like to see CCP numbers as well.
However, MORE importantly. Where is the damned CSM? Isn't this kind of issue right up their alley. If you can accept what has been said and done so far as fact CCP have decided that EVE is no longer a sandbox, but a theme park where the boundaries are set by their own tolerance levels for corporate embarrassment. How can anyone push the limits of what is possible in the game with that kind of indistinct constraint.
Particularly one where once crossed the response is spiteful and judgemental as evidenced by CCP Sreegs' comment.
Why is the CSM being silent on this?
Turning the EVE sandpit into a theme park seems more important than pants. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:20:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Enaris Kerle wrote: Nobody got banned. Which is entirely the point I was trying to make re: that guy who wanted to have all goons banned for what is effectively playing the market on a grand scale.
While I grant I can't think of anyone getting banned for those particular ones: I might draw your attention to the Moon Goo Recycling exploit that went on for several years. Ph, and that buisness with 'The GM who shall not be named' . You know, i seem to recall goons being pretty damn hot about some of those and members of both BoB and Goons getting banned in that excrement storm. The difference with the Moon Goo is that something was magically created. It was not a mechanic.
When you are creating items/capability out of thin air you are exploiting a bug.
When you are making wealth by stressing a poorly designed game mechanic you are exploiting CCP hubris.
It is an important difference. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:36:00 -
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Xython wrote:From This interview: http://visir.is/misnotudu-glufu-i-eve-online---hognudust-um-21-milljon-isk-i-leiknum/article/2012120629638Quote:Spur+¦ur hvort spilararnir ++urfi a+¦ takast +í vi+¦ einhverjar aflei+¦ingar vegna m+ílsins svarar P+¬tur: GÇPT+ªknilega s+¬+¦ voru ++eir ekki a+¦ gera neitt sem var banna+¦. +Pannig ++a+¦ er +¦lj+¦st hva+¦ ver+¦ur gert."
P+¬tur segir spilarana hafa einfaldlega n++tt s+¬r glufu innan leiksins, GÇPog er +¡ raun t++p+¡skt fyrir EVE spilara. +Pa+¦ eru oft +¦tr+¦lega greindir n+íungar a+¦ spila leikinn. +Pa+¦ er frekar a+¦ ++a+¦ s+¬ borin vir+¦ing fyrir hugvitsseminni h+¬r innan h+¦ss," segir P+¬tur a+¦ lokum. Or, in English: Quote:Asked whether the players have to deal with any consequences of the case said Peter, "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done. "
Peter says the players have simply taken advantage of cracks within the game, "and is actually very typical for EVE players. There are often amazing diagnosed guys playing the game. It is further submitted that it is respect for the creative songwriting here inside the house, "said Peter, in the end. CCP official: Goon Market Manipulation NOT against the rules, and NOT an exploit. Tinfoil hat wearing pubbies, your comments? So any comment on when items will be returned? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:54:00 -
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Alex Skate wrote:Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.
You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.
When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.
Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.
Your weakness betreys you.
Death becomes you.
You see all that you desire; however, so few of you will achieve that which you desire.
There are sheep, and there are wolves.
Even the wolves have no idea that they are being led to a slaughter.
Prey tell, oh do tell.
I am not excluded in that which I type.
Goodday/night--to you all.
-J Your drugs.
I wants them.
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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:18:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:I'm about to shoot someone hostile to me, should I check first with a GM whether this is still allowed? Well I feel it depends on what they are going to drop.
If it is a few billion ISK worth of loot it may be OK.
However, if it's a ludicrous amount of ISK from high priced loot because of CCP game mechanics - you may have a problem as you were just too successful. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Shai 'Hulud wrote: It seems the new "golden rule" is: If an activity is profitable you should check with CCP to make sure it's not considered an exploit.
If I find out that pressing a certain combination of buttons on an ATM I get delivered 100M dollars maybe, just maybe, I wonder if it's intended. And maybe I am not surprised when at 4am the FBI slams my door and rips me a new one. It's not like the flaw gave 5 or 20% more income, it gave a lil more. I think maybe that earthquake shook you up more than you think.
An exploit is when you magically create something out of thin air like your 100M dollars - it didn't exist.
This wealth wasn't created by magic. There was a hypothesis, a plan and then its execution that worked legally within the bounds of CCP's game mechanics. CCP have already confirmed nothing that this so called "Jewbal" did was wrong.
And now that you are saying it's a crime to be too successful - pray tell where is that limit?
A one million ISK market manipulation? One billion? One hundred billion?
CCP were warned this could happen. Like most pre-patch feedback it was ignored and they were totally outplayed.
CCP are just trying to find a way to save face now. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:23:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Eref Ataru wrote:A flaw is a flaw. Intentional or not. The exploitation of a flaw is against the terms of use. Which according to the sign up is a ban not an asset freeze, not a slap on the wrists it clearly states ban.
When there was that exploit on the new forum which allowed people to see areas they couldn't CCP said then, thanks for pointing it out but leave it now, sees theres showing that a flaw is there then there's using a flaw to your advantage realising that it's gone too far, informing CCP of the flaw, and hoping it all goes away.
If goons had been sensible enough to keep it private between CCP and select others then, they probably would of kept the lot, now I think they have forced their hand, and as a player of this game I expect the full punishment of banned accounts, else the only message that gets sent out is that if you get caught they take it back, the message should be you exploit you get banned. Same as bots. TOS wrote: You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
The only problem is, it's not a bug. The individual parts are working exactly as intended. CCP have confirmed that there was no bug, or exploit, or flaw etc. No rules were broken.
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Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.24 01:47:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:Lots of quotes. From an interview CCP gave:
Quote:Asked whether the players have to deal with any consequences of the case said Peter, "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done. "
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:04:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:All of the quotes I pulled are in this thread. Ditto. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:35:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE??? Won't ya please make way for a very special guy Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k Mittens can afford to be patient.
CCP are the ones posturing, and trying to work out how to spin this.
Mittens will be watchful. Based on the laughably pre-judgmental comments from CCP Screegs when an investigation is still underway the Goons will need the be cautious of what is classed as an exploit. Something for instance such as an aggessive expansion of OTEC.
Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:41:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE??? Won't ya please make way for a very special guy Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k Mittens can afford to be patient. CCP are the ones posturing, and trying to work out how to spin this. Mittens will be watchful. Based on the laughably pre-judgmental comments from CCP Screegs when an investigation is still underway the Goons will need the be cautious of what is classed as an exploit. Something for instance such as an aggessive expansion of OTEC. Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything. Mittens had nothing to do with any of this. This I will take your assurance on.
However, if he isn't considering the broader implications of CCP's latest reaction to their self ownage and ham fisted way of doing things he must of taken a blow to the head we don't know about. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:24:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Morning guys... So you say.
Sounds like rumor.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Earthquake.
Shame on you to offend those who died and those who now are homeless just to show snarky on the internets. Graic Gabtar wrote: An exploit is when you magically create something out of thin air like your 100M dollars - it didn't exist.
This wealth wasn't created by magic. There was a hypothesis, a plan and then its execution that worked legally within the bounds of CCP's game mechanics. CCP have already confirmed nothing that this so called "Jewbal" did was wrong.
I don't know in which alternate universe you live, but in mine ATM are pre-loaded with physical bank notes therefore they don't create them "out of thin air" and they do exist. The using of those buttons to take out tons of money was also an hypothesis, a plan and its execution and worked legally (ATM does not get forced, just "used" in its functionality). Also, CCP in the person of their official security personnel confirmed it's an abuse. From Ab-usus that is use inappropriately. Does not mean it's wrong, it means it was used wrong. Hopefully CCP Sreegs will see your misrepresentation of his words and act accordingly on your posting rights, including for your sad joking on a disgrace happened in my country. Yours have been the best tears in this thread so far by a country mile.
You're the one bringing your crappy real life into the world of EVE. My personal feelings are that I don't rate some of your old crumbling buildings over starving African babies so just deal with it pretty girl.
I can see you are struggling with this but whether the ATM was full or empty is irrelevant and your analogy sucks accordingly.
They didn't magic an account balance, nor trick a device into spitting out endless notes. They used all the in-game mechanics available to them.
Besides outplay CCP hubris I'm still failing to see what these people did besides realize CCP fail at basis statistics.
I'm seeing a CCP staffer lash out in all sorts of ways, preempt their "investigation" and even describe the words of a colleague as good for toilet paper. Hardly encouraging a rational view.
I will make one prediction though. I doubt this "investigation" will examine CCP's own failings at acknowledging the warning signs. It will simply be dedicated to drafting new rules.
So instead of sitting here my little cupcake and making threats about me being banned why don't you get off your high horse, go outside and do something for all those ten or so people who lost garden gnomes instead of lecturing people in computer games about the inhumanity of people.
******* hypocrite. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Graic Gabtar
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:15:00 -
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How cute. You don't even understand what I'm saying. Keep posting please.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:It just happens that people actually lived in these buildings and died. And in the next quakes, workers who went to work in factories (some warehouses were 3 years old) had the building crash on them and kill them as well. So... You're arguing your one donkey village is full of idiots and Darwin has thinned the herd? You can argue that all you like but as I said, I don't rate this as misery to strut all over the EVE forums about.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have gone to do something for those more than ten people who DIED but I am not going to fill the media about it. Forum whoring for Jesus? I can tell you are really putting the big ones in here. You feeding the homeless with "Likes"?
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:So keep the hypocrite and the rest of your offensive drivel for yourself. So first you hope people get banned, now you are telling people what they can and can't post.
I must say, you've got a bit of an overblown sense on self-entitlement for some forum wanker in some crap village in need of a few copies of "Earthquakes for Dummies" to be honest. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 09:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What goes around, turns around, be glad yourself that Darwin has not put his gaze on you yet.
Fascinating.
So far in this thread you have told me you are orchestrating some scheme to have me banned, you have told me what I am and am not allowed to post and now you are hoping that I die in real life.
All over your little forum ego.
Very interesting. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:00:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, very made out of your butt, like your other posts. Wow. It looks like our precious snowflake has revealed their true form.
Barely coherent, petty school yard insults in the form of a disturbing fascination with the contents of my colon.
I didn't realise that distilling your terrible posting to the basic facts and presenting it would be such an earth shattering experience for you.
Live and learn I guess sexy lady. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:08:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up. But this has happened before http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626the result was POS's blown up and accounts permanently banned. As they have stated "As clearly stipulated in our rules and policies, exploiting is strictly prohibited. In our Suspension and Ban Policy there is a special clause about so-called "duping" exploits. Employing this sort of exploit will lead to permanent bans for anyone directly involved as well as possible reprimands for players who benefit from such exploits from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts." So anything less than what has previously occurred would be favoritism, anything more would be unfair. So at least the perpetrators know what to expect. but the "How will this not happen again?" is worth reading From that article and the critical point in this current discussion:Quote:Free stuff has entered the system. Nothing free entered the system in this market manipulation.
CCP dropped the ball pure and simple. CCP Screegs can carry on all he likes about it in the many posts in this thread but it doesn't change the fact they messed up the FW changes - badly. And how you take stuff off people who have done nothing but master the situation presented before them is beyond me. The problem for CCP is the scale. If it was 5 billion this just would have been patched.
CCP were just totally outplayed when they have an immense advantage and they don't like it. You can tell from the judgemental tone in CCP Screegs first post in this thread including the predetermined outcome. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:]Nothing free entered the system in this market manipulation.
CCP dropped the ball pure and simple. CCP Screegs can carry on all he likes about it in the many posts in this thread but it doesn't change the fact they messed up the FW changes - badly. And how you take stuff off people who have done nothing but master the situation presented before them is beyond me. The problem for CCP is the scale. If it was 5 billion this just would have been patched.
CCP were just totally outplayed when they have an immense advantage and they don't like it. You can tell from the judgemental tone in CCP Screegs first post in this thread including the predetermined outcome. As the Op stated "InfernoGÇÖs big design mistake was that it was released with a literal currency fountain, very nearly without limit. Unbeknownst to themselves, CCP had accidentally delved into the world of forex, providing a way to exchange one currency (isk) for another (LP) with only a few checks and balances built into the system." So although it wasn't free per say, it was profitable. The POS exploit wasn't free either you had to buy and set up the POS to get the free stuff. Just as you had to purchase ships ect.. to profit from this exploit. You get CCP to come out and say and prove:Quote:Free stuff has entered the system. about this matter and I will reconsider. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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