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snake133
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:10:00 -
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best ship ever:
avatar post dominion jk
naa id have to go with rook but nobody wants to fight them they ave the same effect a curse does the "run away run away"(montypythons) :( but as far as effective
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.18 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mordred McKenna Maelstrom is probably the best solo pvp battleship in game. The shield boost bonus is great, coupled with the 750 odd dps+ it can push (before overloading) and the range it can get with Barrage, it's a great BS to play with. Crystal set + blue pill only makes it an even better tank, and a faction or deadspace x-l booster will knock you out.
The other two battleships suck though, typhoon requires too much of a skill investment for a tier 1 bs and tempest is. tempest
Not sure if i agree with that, Maelstrom is a good ship, but not that good solo. Even with the 3bil of implants and gear id still take the Typhoon. Probably the Tempest aswell for solo work.
Each to their own i guess.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: kessah Not sure if i agree with that, Maelstrom is a good ship, but not that good solo. Even with the 3bil of implants and gear id still take the Typhoon. Probably the Tempest aswell for solo work.
Each to their own i guess.
Yeah, I'd probably take a Phoon or Tempest too. The Tempest's redeeming feature is being able to fit tackle + 2 ECCM/SeBo. I mean, sure, your tank is crap but them's the breaks. Treat it like an oversize BC and you'll come out ok.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
AnKahn
Caldari The Giant Squid Corp. Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:35:00 -
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Most ships should be able to either get away from a Drake OR be able to tank a Drake.
This is not the discription of the best solo ship in the game.
I think it depends on what you are hunting. For example if it's frigs you are hunting I would vote for the Vaga.
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SwineFlu H1N1
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn Most ships should be able to either get away from a Drake OR be able to tank a Drake.
This is not the discription of the best solo ship in the game.
So you are saying you find it easy to tank 600+ dps in cruiser or BC sized ships?(i assume you mean these are the ones that cant "get away")
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Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.11.18 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: SwineFlu H1N1
Originally by: AnKahn Most ships should be able to either get away from a Drake OR be able to tank a Drake.
This is not the discription of the best solo ship in the game.
So you are saying you find it easy to tank 600+ dps in cruiser or BC sized ships?(i assume you mean these are the ones that cant "get away")
It's easy in a Myrm.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/11/2009 21:10:20
Originally by: Neuronai It's easy in a Myrm.
This is the point that the Drake pilot kills your drones (extremely easy to do) and orbits you at 15km. It takes 0 DPS, and you run out of cap boosters.
-Liang
Ed: The Myrm is a passable ship - but in most situations its completely crap. Get a better ship. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
NxN
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: NxN on 18/11/2009 22:47:09 Edited by: NxN on 18/11/2009 22:45:14 What if said Myrm pilot fly in something like that?
[Myrmidon, Would Liang Approve] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Ogre II x3
Now, Myrm can Orbit drake at, say 18km even without drones and still do dps, where HAMs Drake would be doing 0 dps.
But then again, there are many ships which could kill Drake when staying out of HAMs range...
/NxN goes back to his corner
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/11/2009 22:48:16
Originally by: NxN
What if said Myrm pilot fly in something like that?
[Myrmidon, Would Liang Approve]
Liang would not approve.
Quote: Now, Myrm can Orbit drake at, say 18km even without drones and still do dps, where HAM Drake would be doing 0 dps.
/ducks
/introduces NxN to Javs and the penalties of fitting armor rigs
-Liang
Ed: Gah you edited it. I'll have to reread it now. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.11.18 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/11/2009 21:10:20
Originally by: Neuronai It's easy in a Myrm.
This is the point that the Drake pilot kills your drones (extremely easy to do) and orbits you at 15km. It takes 0 DPS, and you run out of cap boosters.
-Liang
Ed: The Myrm is a passable ship - but in most situations its completely crap. Get a better ship.
Please don't assume things such as "orbits you at 15km" when arguing your case. Neither of us know whether or not the Drake will get a chance to do such a thing.
But if we're playing the old circumstancial fight game then...As a blaster boat, I overload my MWD and bust nuts getting my target into scram range. At this point, there is no chance of the Drake kiting me, I will tank its DPS, either kill the Hobs (or return/deploy my drones everytime they get start taking damage) and kill his buffer before I run out of cap boosters.
You are right about it being crap in more than a few situations (fleet combat), however, in solo/small gang fights the Myrm is a beast and my preference over a Drake for such situations.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.18 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Neuronai You are right about it being crap in more than a few situations (fleet combat), however, in solo/small gang fights the Myrm is a beast and my preference over a Drake for such situations.
Most of your post isn't worth responding to. Anything ridiculous like "I overload my MWD and catch him good!" implies that he isn't also able to do that. Except he is. And he's faster to start with. And you won't be able to keep your drones alive (you can't pull them fast enough). And and and and.
All things considered, your preference is for a bad ship. I'm not hating - my preference is for the Cyclone... but I'm not going to go around claiming the Cyclone is going to solo pwn Drakes! Will the Myrm do well in situations where it's under low sustained fire? Sure... but outside of gate camping under sentries, that situation is vanishingly rare - and in that situation it loses a huge chunk of its DPS
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.11.19 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Neuronai You are right about it being crap in more than a few situations (fleet combat), however, in solo/small gang fights the Myrm is a beast and my preference over a Drake for such situations.
Most of your post isn't worth responding to. Anything ridiculous like "I overload my MWD and catch him good!" implies that he isn't also able to do that. Except he is. And he's faster to start with. And you won't be able to keep your drones alive (you can't pull them fast enough). And and and and.
All things considered, your preference is for a bad ship. I'm not hating - my preference is for the Cyclone... but I'm not going to go around claiming the Cyclone is going to solo pwn Drakes! Will the Myrm do well in situations where it's under low sustained fire? Sure... but outside of gate camping under sentries, that situation is vanishingly rare - and in that situation it loses a huge chunk of its DPS
-Liang
Hmm sorry I should have specified that my thoughts were in reference to the standard HAM Drake fit...The one that lacks the CPU for a disruptor? Obviously its not the only fit out there, but if we consider all fits it'll be almost impossible to discern the "better" ship.
Anyway, bringing the whole kiting thing into it is still circumstancial. We could sit here all day and say "what if...". All that should matter is personal experience. Arguing ship statistics is so futile because it doesn't always reflect real PvP situations. It just gets people into arguments like these. And in my experience, I would take a Myrm over a Drake when soloing any day. For whatever reason that is, it's my opinion and I stand by it. You can call it a bad ship, but I'll call it a good ship...
There's not much we can do now except perhaps fight it out on SiSi? I don't suppose you're up for that?
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.19 04:40:00 -
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Triple Rep Myr r teh w1n
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Neuronai There's not much we can do now except perhaps fight it out on SiSi? I don't suppose you're up for that?
Comments: - Arranged 1v1s are probably not going to be useful for answering the question at hand. - Sisi is particularly poor for settling arguments like this, because of the absolute commonality of T2 rigs, pirate sets, the lack of easily available faction ammo, etc. Basically, Sisi PVP is very very very different from TQ PVP. Hell, they don't even run the same code atm. :| - I would normally not be unwilling to duel someone (TQ or sisi), but I have always drawn a hard and fast rule of not revealing alts. Even when it would have been so much easier to have done so. Liang can't fly the Drake (well, she could move one if I needed her to, but that's about it!). So, since the duel would require me outing an alt.... no. Sorry. :-/ - Active tanks are at their best in a 1v1 situation. I don't consider "solo PVP" to imply in any way, shape, form, or fashion "1v1". It normally implies "1v5" to me. Does that mean I think a Myrm would win a 1v1 vs a Drake? Probably not. But 2v2 and beyond and Drakes easily win. Active tanking is just pretty fail. :-/
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Shosoru
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.19 06:04:00 -
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Best solo pvp ship, the Drake haha haha haha ha
1. it is cheap - its quite expensive. If you want to have real funn you need something you can loos once a day or two, if you fit your Drake to be used as something that can tank a bit , it will cost you 30mill+ a loss 2. bla bla HAM yes a ham drake is a good drake but point3 3. If HAM then tackle and tackle is opposite to tank for shield tank 4 if tank then IRRELEVANT a ship like a sitting duck that cant move and cant do damage and sits there to a- w8 till the evil man gos away or b evil mans friends **** you 5 of course, its a caldari ship, if you throw out the nber tank, you have room for tackle, the tipical ham drake is an ok ship but you have to many points on that list if your talking about a ham drake 6 it can CAN ! but on expense of that sooo cool tank 7 mr t2 cruzer pleas do not move as i cant catch you.
The Ultimate and True best Solo pvp ship in game clearly is a Badger Mark II there is no questioning this.
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Scarlett Sky
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Posted - 2009.11.19 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shosoru phail poast
I nominate you for the most fail post of the year.
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Darthewok
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:51:00 -
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Out of curiousity, is there any HAC/Recon that can defeat a Drake one on one?
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Torothin
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Torothin on 19/11/2009 14:54:24 on gate to gate PvP there is no Hac/Recon that can kill a well skilled and well fitted Drake 1 on 1. Now you can say but if I catch a Drake in a belt with my Vaga he is screwed. I can say if I have my alt in a Rapier cloaked beside me you are screwed.
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Brent riper
Caldari Night Wolves Deprived of Existence by Mercenaries of the Night
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 18/11/2009 21:10:20
Originally by: Neuronai It's easy in a Myrm.
This is the point that the Drake pilot kills your drones (extremely easy to do) and orbits you at 15km. It takes 0 DPS, and you run out of cap boosters.
-Liang
Ed: The Myrm is a passable ship - but in most situations its completely crap. Get a better ship.
harby can do it so can a cane, cyclone does it with easy as well with an xlarge booster. it can be done quite easily actually.. drake is jst easy mode that's all. the other races jst take a lil finesse and skill. but it can be done and i believe the omen can tank quite a bit for a lil cruiser with 6 lows ( i think its the omen at least, at work so cant check)
not hard to do though drake inst as leetsauce as its made out to be although granted it is effective and can a complish its goals easily due to HAM II
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Torothin
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.19 14:59:00 -
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The point is a Myrm can be owned 1 on 1 by a Curse. The Drake cannot. This makes the Myrm limited as a PvP ship. Its a good pvp ship but does not have the flexibility in combat that the Drake does. Same can be said for all other gunships. Don't bother posting "I'll just passive fit my Myrm" Good luck with that.
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Berendas
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:03:00 -
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All I'm getting from this thread is that the Drake is in desperate need of a nerf. Nothing should ever be best in EVE.
People are going to be all; "It's not overpowered, its just a good ship when you use it right." Thats utter crap, the Drake is far too easy to use and you get far too much out of it (*apparently* best solo PVP ship and we already know its the best PVE ship next to the Raven variants).
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Out of curiousity, is there any HAC/Recon that can defeat a Drake one on one?
nano istar maybe?
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Torothin
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:15:00 -
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drones will die before the Drakes tank cracks.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok Out of curiousity, is there any HAC/Recon that can defeat a Drake one on one?
Zealot, nfp. http://www.youtube.com/user/DizeezerV#p/a/u/0/ubCn-AbA-IE
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fac3hunter
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Posted - 2009.11.19 16:19:00 -
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best solo ship for an arranged 1on1 where each use setups to counters the other, tempest is hands down the best solo ship in game sucks at everything else but for an arranged fight its slot layout is just evul.
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MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 16:43:00 -
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Rokh hands down beats any other bs 1v1. That includes solo roaming on TQ and when people are gay and use sisi fits.
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Tau Dades
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.19 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Berendas All I'm getting from this thread is that the Drake is in desperate need of a nerf. Nothing should ever be best in EVE.
I, too, believe Caldari have no business in PVP and should be forced only to run missions for CN.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: MADDOGzors Rokh hands down beats any other bs 1v1. That includes solo roaming on TQ and when people are gay and use sisi fits.
Eeeeuuuurrrmmmmm.... can you justify this statement? I'm assuming you're talking crystals and blue pill and a cap booster or something? I truthfully doubt you'd kill a standard Tempest with it.... and the Tempest isn't exactly the greatest ship out there.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Berendas
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.19 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Dades
Originally by: Berendas All I'm getting from this thread is that the Drake is in desperate need of a nerf. Nothing should ever be best in EVE.
I, too, believe Caldari have no business in PVP and should be forced only to run missions for CN.
No but I think when somebody asks on this forum; "I need a ship to do X and/or Y because of Z" and half the responses they get are "Drake" then that's reason enough that a ship is imbalanced.
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Tau Dades
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.19 17:29:00 -
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yeah, because basing nerfing decisions on internet forumz is always a sound decision. drake does not need a nerf.
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