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Walker Bulldog
Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2009.10.28 11:01:00 -
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Assuming all lvl5 in most relevant skills (logistics 5, maxed cap, maxed fitting), which would you pick for a scimitar? T2 reps 10% faster, but with the increased grid requirement, I don't see a way to fit 4xT2, AB and a large shield booster without filling lows with RCUs and compromising cap. I'm thinking to use T2 for large gangs with 2+ other logistics to spider tank with, and S95a for smaller gangs where I'm the only logistic pilot.
[Scimitar, Large gang] True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Cost can be reduced by swapping 2x faction PDU to 1xT2 PDU and 1x RCU, but this compromises cap stability.
[Scimitar, Small gang] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II
Large Shield Booster II 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
With S95a shield transporters which require less cap, this is actually cap stable (barely) with just 2x T2 PDUs and an AB running. In order to switch on the local rep and remain cap stable, you have to turn off all remote reps, though you can keep pulsing one or two. It doesn't tank a lot of DPS on paper, but going 650-750m/s with 65m sig radius, larger ships will have a lot of difficulty scoring hits.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 13:57:00 -
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Use named because of the fitting advantage.
[Scimitar, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Warrior II x5 Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x4
This is a very good fit for multiple scimie gangs as it foces on resistance and fastlock. On logistics, CPR > PDU btw.
169 dead caps caught on video |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 14:06:00 -
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are overheated afterburners fashionable yet? (1019m/s)
[Scimitar, New Setup 2] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
- putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 14:12:00 -
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Nah you really need an MWD to make and close distances quickly.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.10.28 14:15:00 -
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ECCM guys...
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LiNuXb0y
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:07:00 -
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I dont have logistics 5, really need it but i just kinda got this ship as a bonus for getting the claymore. anyway for my skills (maxed cap, logistics 4) i use this:
rigs: 2x ccc
lows: 4x cap power relay II
mids: 10mn mwd II, ECCM-ladar II, Invuln II, cap recharger II, Medium shield extender II
highs: 3x s95a lrg shield transporters, drone link augmentor
drones: 5x warriors (for taking out inties and general killmail whoring)
Once i get logistics 5 it will change to this:
rigs: 2xccc
lows: reactor control II, 3x Cap power relay
mids: 10mn mwd II, ECCM-ladar II, Invuln II, cap recharger II, Large shield extender II
highs: 3x s95a lrg shield transporters, drone link augmentor
The idea is to stay out at 60km with the mwd on at all times, both setups permarun which is essential.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:09:00 -
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needs more ECCM and a cloak, nothing seems to get people running away quicker than a logistics or 2 on scan.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: fivetide humidyear needs more ECCM and a cloak, nothing seems to get people running away quicker than a logistics or 2 on scan.
except A FALCON
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:44:00 -
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true.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:02:00 -
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It doesn't need ECCM really, you will usually be operating outside range of the enemy falcons and if they are in range they will be instantly primaried by your own fc - you need the midslot for resists and the sensorbooster.
Cloak nerfs your scan res tremendously and kills a high - wouldn't do that either.
169 dead caps caught on video |
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:06:00 -
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[Scimitar, New Setup 13] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Salvager II Large Shield Transporter II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
yes, scimi pg is ridiculous -.- feel free to fiddle with low slots and/or rigs: reactor control, CPR, DCU, whatever - stats should all end up roughly the same -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Walker Bulldog
Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:14:00 -
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Fitting MWD/LSE to a scimitar kinda defeats the purpose of 65m signature though :(
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Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:17:00 -
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Scimitars generally rep then jump back through. Without an MWD you'll just die.
If you're in range, you will be primary.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Walker Bulldog Fitting MWD/LSE to a scimitar kinda defeats the purpose of 65m signature though :(
believe me, i've tried... medium extenders, "super" resists, active tank... the latter can be useful but in this day&age just "generally" not feasible - buffer it is...
and no, i do _not_ mean this:
[Scimitar, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II
10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
just because the oneiros can fit an acceptable shield tank does not mean the scimi can do the opposite -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
feel free to fiddle with low slots and/or rigs: reactor control, CPR, DCU, whatever - stats should all end up roughly the same -.-
3x CPR + RCU will give you much more cap and slightly less grid than 4x pdu
the shield bonuses from PDU's are useless, the cap bonuses insignificant
169 dead caps caught on video |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz the shield bonuses from PDU's are useless
errr - putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Originally by: Sokratesz the shield bonuses from PDU's are useless
errr
yay 15% more shield
yay more recharge
vs.
cpr: OMG EPIC CAP
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169 dead caps caught on video |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:27:00 -
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what if i don't need the epic cap? - putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:28:00 -
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its a scimitar
169 dead caps caught on video |
DARTHxFREE
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:46:00 -
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Logistix are incredibly versitile and have so many set ups, it is best to tailor your ship to you piloting style.
This is what I use in FW, it would be seen as blasphemy to some but it does every thing I need for small gangs. Tailored to keep up with and suport frigates more then joining in some spider tank blob. Also makes for a surprisingly good tackler as it is very fast and catches the enemy by surprise. (I actualy use Salvager/Explosive drones, but the link/maint bots are in cargo)
But to the OP, T2 transporters do have a use when your not using a full rack.
Originally by: ME
[Scimitar] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Drone Link Augmentor I Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Light Shield Maintenance Bot II x1 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x4
/join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz its a scimitar
so...? [Scimitar, New Setup 4] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
- putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:49:00 -
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I can see you don't fly one often, cap booster setups are unreliable as pish.
169 dead caps caught on video |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz I can see you don't fly one often, cap booster setups are unreliable as pish.
mhmm - putting the gist back into logistics |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:32:00 -
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Yes I found that myself, thanks, I should've specified that you don't fly one in the role that most people do, and for that, injector fits are unreliable.
169 dead caps caught on video |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.29 03:39:00 -
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are you honestly saying that most people use them for pos reps?
cause i'm sure there's a few triple-rep-scimitars among my losses, it's just that i lose (way) less of those (nor do i make it onto killmails -.-)
12+1 charges last 5.5 minutes if, and that's a big if, i'm going all out - including perma-mwd, invuls on all day and use heat permanently, which by itself is impossible. 2 transporters can run without munching charges if i leave everything else off and that is _not_ because of the KXA2000 imp
i've only run out of charges once during combat; when we tackled a carrier for 20+ minutes and even then another cruiser could dump some for me to rep the tackler(s)
but be my guest, blow all your slots on cap recharge. i accept your way. you don't have to use mine. but plz do your **** you>me on any other ship but the scimitar kthxbai - putting the gist back into logistics |
Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.10.29 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider but plz do your **** you>me on any other ship but the scimitar kthxbai
this more or less. Roemy knows what hes doing when it comes to the scimi.
want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.29 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
i've only run out of charges once during combat; when we tackled a carrier for 20+ minutes and even then another cruiser could dump some for me to rep the tackler(s)
5 mins is nothing when you go on a long roam and I simply cannot afford to rely on cap boosters, second it has some other bad effects on your fit like the major grid usage of the booster. When we go out, we have 4-5 or more scimitars supporting a wing of LR hacs and that is why we focus on resists and rr (and thus cap recharge), to remain flexible.
The need for 3x rr mod + mwd + lse forfeits a cap booster and it works marvellously with cpr's. In fact, I'm fairly certain that your fit could be improved with cpr's.
Any way. Not contesting your experience with them but you are suing them for a rather specialised and non conventional role which I haven't seen around much since the nano nerf so props for that.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2009.10.29 10:35:00 -
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How ******ed do you have to be to fit 3 large RR on a ship that can fit 4?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.29 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov How ******ed do you have to be to fit 3 large RR on a ship that can fit 4?
Show us a practical fit that can sustain 4?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.10.29 11:53:00 -
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Still hard to believe you dont run in sniper bs gangs with scorp ecm support. Id always fit eccm. But if your sniperhac pilots are good, ok then, acceptable.
Btw i cant see, why cap booster shouldnt work. Saves alot of slots and gives you some neut resistance too in case of curse. Ofc its harder to make it work in extended roams.
And 4x lst setups are really not that good, they lack buffer or cap /or both/.
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