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Davlos Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:14:00 - [1] Hilmar said that the meaning behind '514' should be left to the community to figure out, and I think I've come to the answer. Since Dust 514 is in development in CCP Shanghai, there shouldn't be that great of a coincidence that the Chinese language could be used in this, and knowing the indie attitude of CCP, I can trust the developers in China to use "514" as a perplexing inside joke to outsiders until it was revealed on August this year. There's plenty of significance in the symbolism of numbers when it comes to the Cantonese dialect of the Chinese language, and when combined in sequence, where: 5 = not, where '54' = 'not dying', and '58' = not prosperous 1 = must 4 = die Literally, 'not must die', possibly again and again when they're infantry, and can be cloned again and again. Plus, with Hilmar mentioning that 'The Fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying' bit from Starship Troopers, it might end up ringing quite true. Another way of pronouncing it, as Hilmar did as "Five-Fourteen", could also end up as "Definitely not die". --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:21:00 - [2] Interesting speculation Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:21:00 - [3] Nice work - sounds believable. Also a good new meme: I not must die! --------------------------------- Internet Submarines is Serious Business ---------------------------------
Baugoti Amarr THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Daan Sai Nice work - sounds believable. Also a good new meme: I not must die! I not must meme
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:25:00 - [5] I heard an explanation that involved the number of races and bloodlines, 4 of the races get 3 bloodlines each, and there was speculation that a 5th race with 1 bloodlines would be somehow involved making it 14 bloolines in total, hence 514. I'll see if I can dig up the sources of that, just need to remember where it was now. No idea how true it may be though. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Jacob Mei Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Serge Bastana I heard an explanation that involved the number of races and bloodlines, 4 of the races get 3 bloodlines each, and there was speculation that a 5th race with 1 bloodlines would be somehow involved making it 14 bloolines in total, hence 514. I'll see if I can dig up the sources of that, just need to remember where it was now. No idea how true it may be though. Well if we go by that then its likely to assume that the Jove are included in that, seeing as they are both an empire and only one bloodline (if I remember my lore right). On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!
Dario Wall Caldari Corvus Industries Empire of Dirt	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Serge Bastana I heard an explanation that involved the number of races and bloodlines, 4 of the races get 3 bloodlines each, and there was speculation that a 5th race with 1 bloodlines would be somehow involved making it 14 bloolines in total, hence 514. I'll see if I can dig up the sources of that, just need to remember where it was now. No idea how true it may be though. Well if we go by that then its likely to assume that the Jove are included in that, seeing as they are both an empire and only one bloodline (if I remember my lore right). Playing as a Jovian Shock Trooper in Dust? What would their weapons be, shoulder mounted doomsday devices?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Serge Bastana on 05/10/2009 21:33:07 I made a typo on that previous post, it should be two bloodlines, the Static and Modifiers. http://dust514zone.com/index.php?topic=21.0 There have been rumours that the devs may be brining the Jove out to act as more active political adversaries, but that could be just talk as well ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Davlos Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:33:00 - [9] Yeah, there's also the other speculation that it's 5 races, of Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Jove, and the other 14 subfactions. But given the context of "soldiers who can never truly die", I reckon the numerology might be more applicable. >_> --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
MeBiatch	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Serge Bastana I heard an explanation that involved the number of races and bloodlines, 4 of the races get 3 bloodlines each, and there was speculation that a 5th race with 1 bloodlines would be somehow involved making it 14 bloolines in total, hence 514. I'll see if I can dig up the sources of that, just need to remember where it was now. No idea how true it may be though. Well if we go by that then its likely to assume that the Jove are included in that, seeing as they are both an empire and only one bloodline (if I remember my lore right). there are two jove characters ingame... cant remember what thier names are... but there are atleast 2 bloodlines... i would think for ccp to name thier game after 514 it would have multiple reasons i would guess there are several meanings behind the name and 2 have been disclosed so far... keep up the good work
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:31:00 - [11] Originally by: MeBiatch jove why did you have to go and say that word it implies that OMG EVE IS HAZING JOVIANS EEEEEE Armoured C Steven Mason FOR CSM with added pirate hat
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:56:00 - [12] Jove, Jove, Jove, Eyestrain! ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Ann Can	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:10:00 - [13] All your die are belong to us
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 05/10/2009 23:31:51 There are actually six bloodlines for the Jove in the database. (don't be alarmed, it's a google cache link) -----
Joe Starbreaker Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:36:00 - [15] Ha, good one. I think you're slightly off, though. In Chinese (Mandarin), 514 sounds like 我要死, wo yao si or "I want to die". It's about the unluckiest number possible in China. When Chinese people get cell phones, they can pay extra not to have the number 4 ("death") in their number. 14 ("want death") and 514 are considered even less lucky. I should have figured this out right away, and I didn't. Kudos to Davlos for realizing that it was an inside Chinese joke. I think my translation of the joke is a little closer to it, though.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Ha, good one. I think you're slightly off, though. In Chinese (Mandarin), 514 sounds like 我要死, wo yao si or "I want to die". It's about the unluckiest number possible in China. When Chinese people get cell phones, they can pay extra not to have the number 4 ("death") in their number. 14 ("want death") and 514 are considered even less lucky. I should have figured this out right away, and I didn't. Kudos to Davlos for realizing that it was an inside Chinese joke. I think my translation of the joke is a little closer to it, though. I think that may be applicable too...I mean, dying over and over again, and then coming back to life just so you can die some more...not pleasant. BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Terror Rising Death Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2009.10.05 23:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Terror Rising on 06/10/2009 00:02:26 Originally by: Davlos Hilmar said that the meaning behind '514' should be left to the community to figure out, and I think I've come to the answer. Since Dust 514 is in development in CCP Shanghai, there shouldn't be that great of a coincidence that the Chinese language could be used in this, and knowing the indie attitude of CCP, I can trust the developers in China to use "514" as a perplexing inside joke to outsiders until it was revealed on August this year. There's plenty of significance in the symbolism of numbers when it comes to the Cantonese dialect of the Chinese language, and when combined in sequence, where: 5 = not, where '54' = 'not dying', and '58' = not prosperous 1 = must 4 = die Literally, 'not must die', possibly again and again when they're infantry, and can be cloned again and again. Plus, with Hilmar mentioning that 'The Fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying' bit from Starship Troopers, it might end up ringing quite true. Another way of pronouncing it, as Hilmar did as "Five-Fourteen", could also end up as "Definitely not die". Ha, and when I posted this 2 weeks ago noone believed me .. Funny eh .. Edit .. Sorry .. 4 weeks .. -------- Edited by: Terror Rising on 10/09/2009 12:39:33 Chinese Numerology 5-14 Not - To Die (Ten Die) or rather (5) Negative (Not) - (14) Want To Die Cloning? Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:11:00 - [18] No. It's 514 because it comes out in May(5) 2014(14) which is the month Dean winchester in supernatural went to the future in the latest episode. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:13:00 - [19] 5:14 is the time of the morning they ran out of beer and realised they should give it a name. Dust comes from the bottom of the bird cage feeling they had in their mouths at the time. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Rebal 88 Minmatar Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Rebal 88 on 06/10/2009 00:14:05 I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat now. :D So much speculation and conspiracies here >_> Please update your signature, Zymurgist
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.10.06 01:18:00 - [21] You know the KMart catalog predicted 9/11? You just take the first 2 letters of the second batch of 3 with the difference between the number characters in the lines minus the square root of the current distance between the sun and the earth. Oh and it also predicted the winner of the Kentucky Derby.
Anhur Shu Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.10.06 01:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Jason Edwards No. It's 514 because it comes out in May(5) 2014(14) which is the month Dean winchester in supernatural went to the future in the latest episode. Great.....that means we'll never see it then, what with the end of the world comin in 2012 and all -------------------------------------------------- I don't care if I suck, so shut the hell up!
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.06 01:42:00 - [23] It's all about the immortal clones and the ~~Xtian~~ Amarr bible (KJV): Dust, as in Genesis 2:7 And the lord god formed man of the dust* of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.* and 514 as in Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead Immortal clones -> Dust 5:14
Lolion Reglo Demio's Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.06 02:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 06/10/2009 01:48:18 It's all about the immortal clones and the ~~Xtian~~ Amarr bible (KJV): Dust, as in Genesis 2:7 And the lord god formed man of the dust* of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.* and 514 as in Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead Immortal clones -> Dust 5:14 Edit: Bear in mind we recently had the Apocrypha expansion, "the Apocrypha" being the name of a set of books included in some versions of the bible, and not others. Clearly someone in CCP has a strong Xtian naming inclination. I'm more inclined to believe it has something to do with game lore than an inside Chinese joke. So I'm going to have to go with this guy on it though the Chinese idea does sit well as well. they better tell us what it means when the game is out though or at least tell us if we got it right...lol. i not must die meme...lol brilliant. now we just need some screen shots or a gif and we have ourselves a good time.
Chiari Leona	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:34:00 - [25] The Shanghainese have their own dialect. Think it in Chinese, it can mean. 5 = 我 I 1 = 要 Want to 4 = 死 Die
Nekre	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:52:00 - [26] I don't think Apocrypha has anything to do with it ... the word means something and it was used as such to name some biblical books (the hidden books ?) but has no religious meaning of it's own. I have found another reference to 514: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown,_Virginia First permanent colony in America was founded on the 5th of may ... 5/14 ?
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:56:00 - [27] rubbish, its just a cool way for Hilmar to remember when he has to go pick up the kids from chucky cheese! Originally by: Machine Delta When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source. pretty deep coming from you
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.10.07 16:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Spurty rubbish, its just a cool way for Hilmar to remember when he has to go pick up the kids from chucky cheese! people get shot at my city's chucky cheese
Commoner Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.10.07 16:47:00 - [29] Edited by: Commoner on 07/10/2009 16:48:15 5 Races 1 Universe 4 ? My suggestion, although im clueless as to what i would link to the number '4'
Renarla	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Ha, good one. I think you're slightly off, though. In Chinese (Mandarin), 514 sounds like 我要死, wo yao si or "I want to die". It's about the unluckiest number possible in China. When Chinese people get cell phones, they can pay extra not to have the number 4 ("death") in their number. 14 ("want death") and 514 are considered even less lucky. I should have figured this out right away, and I didn't. Kudos to Davlos for realizing that it was an inside Chinese joke. I think my translation of the joke is a little closer to it, though. Heh, oddly enough all of my family's cell phone numbers start with 541. Not quite 514, but I imagine the 'unluckiness' is the same. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:08:00 - [31] It probably means "please donÆt violence my boats" Hate Farmers? Click Here
Tony Sharp	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:25:00 - [32] PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE! THINK! CCP said after the first trailer was shown that an Eve player could work out what the title refers to. Since nobody here seems to have figured it out yet I will give you half of it. In the presentation it is referred as DUST 5-14. That is Five Fourteen. Not Five One Four. Not five hundred and fourteen nor fifty-one four. Now as an Eve player you are not required to know the bible or any other holy scripture or Mandarin/Cantonese. Maybe the Amarr scriptures but the solution is not there. Watch the trailer again for the presentation. Facts: 1. Part of it takes place in Intaki 2. There is a ishukune space station in the trailer. There is none atm. 3. Ishukone won the blind auction the rights to "develop" the Intaki system and this system only. Just look at the news archive on this. 4. Read also the chronicle Blind Auction on the above. 5. Ishukone developed and marketed the pod technology after acquiring it from the Jovians. 6. The only way you would call something 5-14 in Eve is.... Planet 5 moon 14 or planet 5 belt 14. Look point #2....right. (Future) Ishukone Station at Intaki 5-14 is where the new cloning technology is going to be developed/invented. DUST 514 is lke the codename of the project like the Spartan project in Halo. Now you know where 514 refers to. If you figure out DUST I will give you a cookie.
Kweel Nakashyn shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels	Posted - 2009.10.07 17:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: MeBiatch jove why did you have to go and say that word it implies that OMG EVE IS HAZING JOVIANS EEEEEE "You will be able to play Jovians, but not in way you think"... Mmm Tortifran said that no ? /tinfoil hat : Maybe players coming from Eve ? Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
Aaron Morris Gallente Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.10.07 19:44:00 - [34] If you watch the ccp fanfest panel Oveur mentions that the dust troops are immortal warriors "that just want to die".
Death Spank	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:55:00 - [35] ahem. 5-1=4 ....DUH
Kyrjanen Janen	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:58:00 - [36] 5 - Players left playing it after 1 - year time. 4 - years of development wasted for a console game
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.10.08 16:35:00 - [37] Hmm interesting find... If 514 is a number sequence from chinese translated to immortality.. Then the word Dust combined w 514 makes perfect sense.. Dust is a pun on the hebrew translation of the word Adam. Thus the grunts on the planets are deemed Immortal hunks of dust.. The non dying men.. If this is not the answer, I would almost think its better then "the solution".. Tycoon wannabe go here: SCC Lounge Got Game? Peak a boo...
Winters Chill Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.10.08 16:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Kyrjanen Janen 5 - Players left playing it after 1 - year time. 4 - years of development wasted for a console game 514 is the amount of eve players suffering from console autism and who won't play DUST because it offends some elitist PC crowd mentality they developed.
Jensius Duo Pew Pew Incorporated	Posted - 2009.10.11 10:29:00 - [39] 514 are just characters from, the alphabet ie. EAD. Therefore, DUST 514 = Damn You Space Tards: EVE ARE DOOM!!! or EVE At Downtime, not sure about that. I figured it was quite obvious.
Veraziel Severaque EntroPrelatial Vanguard	Posted - 2009.10.16 02:16:00 - [40] "For the hope of the ungodly is like dust that is blown away with the wind, like a thin froth that is driven away with the storm: like as the smoke which is dispersed here and there with a tempest, and passeth away as the remembrance of a guest that tarieth but a day." Wisdom of Solomon, 5:14 (From the biblical apocrypha of the 1611 King James Version)
Spaztick Terminal Impact Kairakau	Posted - 2009.10.16 02:36:00 - [41] Many of these are either good coincidences, between the Mandarian Chinese (hell I don't know if it's right, I haven't even bothered to verify if it's actually chinese or not) and some scriptures, but if it were to refer to any it would be the Amarr: "Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14 Highly likely this refers to pod pilots, and how they are damned by cheating death through cloning, and that royal Amarr flesh is considered sacred and uncloneable. Code-naming it DUST 514 may refer to the cloning of elite drop soldiers so that, much like an pod pilot, a resource (the essence of the human being, the soul and consciousness) is never lost.
Stratharn	Posted - 2009.10.16 03:51:00 - [42] I just figured it was going to be some kind of atomic thing, like Uranium-237.... Dust-514. :) Yeah, doesn't work, but who says they're using Base 10? :) Either way... I'm really hoping this game ends up on the PC as well. I'd love to play it, and don't see a console on the horizon any time soon. S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iv5lCuv1w8
Takon Orlani Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.16 04:48:00 - [43] Its 19. I keep telling people, but they go crazy and kill themselves when they hear it. ROWDY WANTS YOU!!
Clone 514	Posted - 2009.10.16 09:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Tony Sharp (Future) Ishukone Station at Intaki 5-14 is where the new cloning technology is going to be developed/invented. DUST 514 is lke the codename of the project like the Spartan project in Halo. Now you know where 514 refers to. If you figure out DUST I will give you a cookie. Dust is the substance mined from the planet 5 moon 14 that is used to make clones.
Syuveil	Posted - 2009.10.16 09:52:00 - [45] DUST is an abbreviation d-something u-something shock troopers. or starship troopers :)
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.10.16 10:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Winters Chill Originally by: Kyrjanen Janen 5 - Players left playing it after 1 - year time. 4 - years of development wasted for a console game 514 is the amount of eve players suffering from console autism and who won't play DUST because it offends some elitist PC crowd mentality they developed. Elitist? Wire me the money for a console and you can have all my eliteness Seriously I'm not paying for a console just to play 1 game. The only reason for me to buy a console would be DUST, the only reason I'll probably not play DUST is the console. So CCP has to decide at one point, do they wanna work for the good of the console industry or for the good of them selves? If DUST doesnt come out on PC, its CCPs loss. Why do you think EVE supports Linux and MAC OS systems? You dont force the customer to buy something, you adapt your product according to your customers' needs. Also as a personal side note; I would claim that the console peeps are the elitists wanting DUST only on console so they can justify the stupid prices they paid for an overly advanced gameboy, which they probably need to throw away and upgrade to a new one in a year or 2. Oh and I played on almost all consoles, Nintendo Wii is the only one that makes any sense to buy a console.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.16 10:11:00 - [47] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 16/10/2009 10:11:20 This thread delivers the dude with the Intaki station planet 5-14 is the one with the most reasonabkle anwser. Edit : tony shark. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Cridu Chat	Posted - 2009.10.16 11:28:00 - [48] 514... Certainly sounds like a good strategy to sell this game in china then..

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