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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:09:00 -
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I've already applied online, and intend to talk to recruiters when I go to fanfest next year (couldn't afford to go this year ) But as a college student in middle america that has done nothing other then graduate high school, my chances of them accepting my application are slim to none. I haven't done anything interesting, I haven't designed any games myself, me and my friends on vent have thrown ideas around for our own MMO, but other then that, I have no credentials to my name. Honestly, I wouldn't hire me either. But working for CCP is my dream job, I'd do anything for the chance to work on eve and get yelled at by people on the forums for not boosting something they wanted. So my question is to you, the community, and to any devs who read this, what do I do? How can prove myself? I want to help make eve a better game, I want to help design awesome new ships and items, I want to work for a company I swear by as the pinnacle of game design. CCP, what can I do? What should I do in order to work towards a career with CCP? What should be some short term and long term goals? I want to be a game and content designer, is an english degree good for that or should I switch majors? What jobs should I get in the meantime? Would Mcdonalds look good on my resume or should I look for something more creative oriented. CCP I'll do anything you want for a chance to work for you. Just tell me what I need to do. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:15:00 -
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Find out what your good at (texturing, modeling, coding, art, breaking fingers and cashing in debts, crm, looking pretty) and get better at it Then show them how good you are, ask to get hired |
Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:17:00 -
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What exactly do you want to do is the question? They don't want people who will do anything, they want people who can DO something and do it well.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:39:00 -
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I want to do content and game design, I want to balance things, rework game mechanics, come up with new an inovative ship classes and modules that fit into the game. I want to work on a team, make flowcharts, map out designs, and rebuild existing ones. Thats what I want to do. How do I do it? __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:41:00 -
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You could start by doing that while NOT employed by CCP and proving your ideas aren't rubbish by posting them over here and being bombarded by everybody and their dog's scrutiny. If they come up as decent enough, THEN you think about applying to some of the volunteer programs. After you get some volunteer experience, you might consider applying for an actual job.
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:47:00 -
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Yer not exactly selling yerself here sport...
I know people that used to tool around building custom lvl's and maps for computer game with the sole purpose of adding those to their application portfolio. All that costs you is the price of the game itself.
Going into a job interview or the application process saying "I'll do anything!" is a sure way to not get hired....anywhere. Forget the myth of the employer going "well...I'll give ya a chance kid, cuz I like yer spunk!" Hell, to be honest the easiest time to get a job is when you don't need one.
Get an internship, go to job fairs in the cities. I am from middle America to, and there's places to go and get hooked up. And for God sakes, dress like a professional. If you don't yet have a suit, get one. White shirt, red tie. It may be a company that makes games, but it's a company first. The dotcom slacker dress days are over.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana But as a college student in middle america that has done nothing other then graduate high school, my chances of them accepting my application are slim to none. I haven't done anything interesting, I haven't designed any games myself, me and my friends on vent have thrown ideas around for our own MMO, but other then that, I have no credentials to my name. Honestly, I wouldn't hire me either.
Start here. Never good to go in assuming they shouldn't hire you. Doesn't matter if they have no reason to hire you. You are trying to convince them they do have a reason to hire you.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:03:00 -
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Learn Python. Since EVE is written in it (if I remember correctly), that would do wonders for your CV. I haven't checked, but I hear it's not too difficult to get into.
I'm kind of thinking of applying to be a GM myself... Would be a dream come true, but hell, my CV is far worse than yours.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana I want to do content and game design, I want to balance things, rework game mechanics, come up with new an inovative ship classes and modules that fit into the game. I want to work on a team, make flowcharts, map out designs, and rebuild existing ones. Thats what I want to do. How do I do it?
Alright you will probably have a difficult time landing a position in designing game mechanics. It's really a job that doesn't require any formal training (meaning anyone who understands the game could do it) so the biggest selling point will be experience in the field.
Now if you were going for a job in say software engineering you would have an easier time. But then again this also requires a four year degree these days.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:07:00 -
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Work as volunteer for one of the ISD divisions.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jarna
Amarr Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:13:00 -
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Can't believe you people are taking this seriously.
The first three paragraphs look good, but once he starts asking about if his English Degree is appropriate and if McDonald's is good work history; he is either super stupid and just doesn't "get it" or is simply doing this on purpose. ------------------------------ EVE players are just as immature as WoW players. |
Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 30/09/2009 15:14:28 First master paragraphs.
Then get some life experience - you sound extremely immature.
I recommend you begin with a degree level education and concentrate on producing a portfolio of project work that shows a clear ability to conceptualize and realise your ideas. In whatever field you specialise in.
Get some relevant work experience and leave the USA for a couple of years, head to Europe or Asia on a placement or to study to get a wider cultural and political world view. Ideally take that opportunity to become bi-lingual.
Write or produce a short film, play, dance routine, or other artistic piece. Exhibit or perform it.
Make some media contacts and/or write for magazines.
Look to go in to a 'creative' environment centered around team/departmental co-operation, either in advertising, tv/media or other project work in a technical field. Strive to set challenges for yourself that show a genuine enthusiasm for creativity and/or technical detail and be ambitious enough to apply for and secure promotions. Move around. Don't stay in a safe job just because its easy money.
Want more out of life and do things most people don't: travel, stay fit, set yourself physical and intellectual challenges, do some charity work, join the right clubs and political parties etc etc etc.
By which time you will have either failed, got married and settled for middle of the road tedium, been shot/mugged/decapitated on your travels by nasty people, had a breakdown, made a million and started your own company or realised you have absolutely no interest in working for 15k at some dead end software company.
If you really just want to be a gimp working for a pittance at CCP, I'd start by getting a job at any entertainment/media company and establish a year to eighteen months worth of positive 'experience' (likely customer service, managing a small team of losers, brainstorming in an advertising agency, report writing or data correlation etc) and go from there.
You will grow up sooner or later I guess. Right now you sound like a typical starry eyed, nothing much to offer, teenage wastrel. I should know, I was one myself.
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Faschnarfal
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Saartje Sarel Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 30/09/2009 15:14:28 First master paragraphs.
Then get some life experience - you sound extremely immature.
I recommend you begin with a degree level education and concentrate on producing a portfolio of project work that shows a clear ability to conceptualize and realise your ideas. In whatever field you specialise in.
Get some relevant work experience and leave the USA for a couple of years, head to Europe or Asia on a placement or to study to get a wider cultural and political world view. Ideally take that opportunity to become bi-lingual.
Write or produce a short film, play, dance routine, or other artistic piece. Exhibit or perform it.
Make some media contacts and/or write for magazines.
Look to go in to a 'creative' environment centered around team/departmental co-operation, either in advertising, tv/media or other project work in a technical field. Strive to set challenges for yourself that show a genuine enthusiasm for creativity and/or technical detail and be ambitious enough to apply for and secure promotions. Move around. Don't stay in a safe job just because its easy money.
Want more out of life and do things most people don't: travel, stay fit, set yourself physical and intellectual challenges, do some charity work, join the right clubs and political parties etc etc etc.
By which time you will have either failed, got married and settled for middle of the road tedium, been shot/mugged/decapitated on your travels by nasty people, had a breakdown, made a million and started your own company or realised you have absolutely no interest in working for 15k at some dead end software company.
If you really just want to be a gimp working for a pittance at CCP, I'd start by getting a job at any entertainment/media company and establish a year to eighteen months worth of positive 'experience' (likely customer service, managing a small team of losers, brainstorming in an advertising agency, report writing or data correlation etc) and go from there.
You will grow up sooner or later I guess. Right now you sound like a typical starry eyed, nothing much to offer, teenage wastrel. I should know, I was one myself.
Course....a great deal of what was stated in the above paragraph is assuming the poor slob has the personal/borrowed funds and time to do all of that good ole personal development schtuff. Hell, I know when I was younger, my summers were spent doing factory work to subsidize my tuition and at school living expenses.
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jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:32:00 -
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Hang around outside the offices in Atlanta or Reykjavik peering through the windows and banging on the doors.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:33:00 -
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Buy them beer - result! ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
FT Cold
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:35:00 -
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I would love to apply for the DBA position, but I don't want to live in Iceland (no offense, I love warm sunny 80 degree winters and hate snow/ice). If you let me VPN in I'd do it. Now, now, now. Sounds like someone's got a case of the poor me's. If you were gonna die, you would have done it by now! Maybe you just need to realize you're gonna to have to live with intense pain |
Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:37:00 -
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1. Be the best at something. 2. Apply for an internship or something somewhere else (Blizzard? lol why not). 3. Apply for an internship or something in Iceland (bring experience, new ideas etc.) 4. ??? 5. Profit.
I guess CCP wants high professionals who do something they love in the best imaginable way (passion, power, performance - you know) and I guess they want the cool kids who fit to the team.
Btw: Cool sig, Nikita.
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AizenSousuke
Gallente STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:14:00 -
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I, for one, will be following this thread closely hoping for a CCP reply.
I'm in the same boat as the OP. My hobby life has pretty much been tinkering around with computers and modding maps for games like Command and Conquer and Starcraft. I've messed with Freespace 2's "FRED" and a little bit of Unreal Tournament 2004's editor as well. TBH nothing huge. I have the imagination, just need to work on the skills.
I'd do whatever it takes to get a job at CCP. All of you guys have given excellent ideas to help those of us that would like a career in the industry reach our goals. Keep the replies coming! -------------------------------------------------- Sig nerfed =p |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 30/09/2009 16:21:54 Here's what to do:
1.) Don't tell a potential employer how awful you are. Save that for at least the second date.
2.) Don't try and go, "I'll do anything." Because then you seem desperate and crazy.
3.) Actually have skills to do what you would like to do.
4.) If you put McDonalds on there, be prepared to show how that work experience is relevant to the job you are applying for.
There, that's my helpful job hunting tops, and post for the day. Oh, and as a Postscript, don't post on a company's forum with a post like this ever. Also, screw internships, they're just slave labor.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: AizenSousuke I, for one, will be following this thread closely hoping for a CCP reply.
I'm in the same boat as the OP. My hobby life has pretty much been tinkering around with computers and modding maps for games like Command and Conquer and Starcraft. I've messed with Freespace 2's "FRED" and a little bit of Unreal Tournament 2004's editor as well. TBH nothing huge. I have the imagination, just need to work on the skills.
I'd do whatever it takes to get a job at CCP. All of you guys have given excellent ideas to help those of us that would like a career in the industry reach our goals. Keep the replies coming!
To be honest phrases like "I'd do whatever it takes to get a job with ..." don't really work for the employer. If you don't know what it takes to get a job at CCP then you are not qualified to work there because you don't even know what you want to do there or what you need to be qualified. Not only that but phrases like this imply you do not have any any current experience.
One of the biggest things employers look at when hiring is past experience and projects. You can have drive and ambition but so do many many others who want the same job but also have education and experience. Enthusiasm and ambition alone will not get you a job.
A college degree related to the job you want is usually a good first step...
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana Buy them beer!
From all the advices, this is the best one.
Forget all the other textbook stuff, go for the beer trail and you are in!
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:34:00 -
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I am studying
OCR extended diploma in media, animation and games design and programming for 2 years followed by some uni
fun times :)
Armoured C Steven Mason FOR CSM *with added pirate hat*
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Jarna
Amarr Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: AizenSousuke I, for one, will be following this thread closely hoping for a CCP reply.
I'm in the same boat as the OP. My hobby life has pretty much been tinkering around with computers and modding maps for games like Command and Conquer and Starcraft. I've messed with Freespace 2's "FRED" and a little bit of Unreal Tournament 2004's editor as well. TBH nothing huge. I have the imagination, just need to work on the skills.
I'd do whatever it takes to get a job at CCP. All of you guys have given excellent ideas to help those of us that would like a career in the industry reach our goals. Keep the replies coming!
In this day and age, you need a degree. Tinkering doesn't get you a job anymore because computer-based jobs are so mainstream in colleges. That's the first thing you need to realize. Step 1 is go to school. You need a piece of paper. Find what you like to do and go to school for it. If you are serious, you will find a way. If you are awesome already, then you better have lots of stuff to show you can do what you want to do without a degree. But most people aren't like that.
I go to ITT Tech for programming. I love programming; been doing it for years on my own. I recently graduated with an Associates Degree (working on Bachelor's). I knew more than the program taught, but still needed to go to school. To get a job without a degree, you would have had to work on some large corporate program already. Most people can't get that sort of job without a degree in the first place these days. But, what I found at ITT is that even though they are paying out the arse for this education, most of the students don't even go home and program "for the fun of it". They think they are going to get through school and get a job. If I hadn't already been doing stuff on my own, and had solely relied on what I was taught in school, my group would have failed our capstone project; the project that says whether you graduate that quarter. Noone in my group knew how to do what needed to be done and we had 11 weeks to complete it; and it wasn't some simple little program either. You need to WANT to do this stuff, but that isn't enough anymore; you, almost invariably, need a degree even to get a foot in the door. ------------------------------ EVE players are just as immature as WoW players. |
Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:42:00 -
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Do some work on a modding project (there are always mods looking for people to help out with just about anything)or better still start your own. Post lots of ideas etc in game development forums (eve and other games), Join bug hunters, join isd, be helpful in the rookie help channel, run for csm, go to fanfest and talk to ccp about anything and everything, give of your free time to some eve-related projects (whether ccp affiliated or not)or start your own, buy lots of beer for ccp employees. Get to know at least in game the players ccp pays most attention to (chribba, winterblink etc), do a guide to something eve-related and try to get it into e-on. Start an eve related blog. Try to learn every aspect of eve and show that knowledge on the various sub forums. Become an eve personality. Try to become a commentator at the next alliance tournament. Learn boring computing stuff, at least to a back-ground level. Learn basic game-theory, start with draughts, move up to chess then via D+D, tetris, mario, Elite and WoW. Then after you have done all that hope a) ccp noticed, b) ccp actually want another game designer and c)you don't flunk the interview.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: JarnaIn this day and age, you need a degree. Tinkering doesn't get you a job anymore because computer-based jobs are so mainstream in colleges. That's the first thing you need to realize. Step 1 is go to school. You need a piece of paper. Find what you like to do and go to school for it.[/quote
Point: On my resumes, no one ever actually realizes I don't have my degree.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Jarna
Amarr Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: JarnaIn this day and age, you need a degree. Tinkering doesn't get you a job anymore because computer-based jobs are so mainstream in colleges. That's the first thing you need to realize. Step 1 is go to school. You need a piece of paper. Find what you like to do and go to school for it.[/quote
Point: On my resumes, no one ever actually realizes I don't have my degree.
That is very rare. You are one of the lucky few who have the skills already to offset a degree and can prove it in some way. A new person isn't going to walk up to a business hand them the resume and get a job without a degree unless they already have an extensive job history in that field or have a decent portfolio that can prove their skill. I shouldn't have said it *can't* be done, but I was more or less referring to total new people to a particular career/industry since that who is posting. ------------------------------ EVE players are just as immature as WoW players. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:02:00 -
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That is true to a point. But the other half of my point was I have school on there, and people jsut assume that means I'm done and have adegree and all that.
On the other hand, I do have an extra real suggestion, freelance and temp work. Especially if you can find a job agency that places within the field(s) that you are looking for. Because you don't have to go through giant interviews, and you can show people by doing. Then, when they are looking to hire full time (or the even more fun permanent freelance position), you are where they look first.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:04:00 -
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Write a algorithm that makes drones intelligent to show them how its done.
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Originally by: Eve Forums ...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Work as volunteer for one of the ISD divisions.
... and/or practice heavy drinking.
アニメ漫画です
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Write a algorithm that makes drones intelligent to show them how its done.
IF Param(Obey) = Yes THEN Value GetBeer = 1
Something like that? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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