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Okonaa
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami Before the guy who says "FIRST, CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF" says anything.. I'd like to say that I am first, and no.
I'd rather let my measly 150 million worth of assets evaporate with my 20 Giant Secure Containers at Asteroid Belt IV-1, Wirdalen, Metropolis.
These 20 cans are there for me to occasionally mine 78000m3 of ore, without any fear that my cans will be stolen into by pirates who like to come over and target me and ask me to fight them all the time. Since the belt seldomly used, I decided this was a great place to anchor a grid of 20 cans (all 5km apart, 5 x 4 grid) close to the left most side of this belt. so that people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish.. and move on to the 6 other belts in the system, leaving me with at least what i need to produce my Small Tractor Beams.
Moving these cans is basically 2 hours of work. I only have a Retriever, and for me the safest way to mine in this system full of harrassing players is the absolute safest way possible. No one can access my stuff.
Today I finished mining 78k m3 of one type of ore I need to produce 22 Tractor Beams. Then I was going to proceed to mine the Omber for the Isogen needed to reduce production Cost by 3 million ISK on 22 units. Some guy in a Hulk with his Orca alt decided to rain on my parade by mining the Omber thats less than 15km away from my cans right after I told him I needed this omber.
There's clearly no argument here as to who is right and wrong. He can mine where ever he wants.. but I have a Retriever, he has a Hulk with more skills and can basically clean out all 8 Omber rocks near my cans in less than half hour. I would only have time to mine 2 in that time period, while the other side of the belt is left untouched, where I suggested he could go while I'm at my cans..
Basically, he is sticking to his "I'm just mining" story and doesn't care about the 12 million m3 of ore in the rest of the system.. Seems he just wants to take what is easily accessible to me. People in the system defend him. He's telling me I'm a noob for mining into Secure cans... from the moment he entered the system, his sights were on the 25 square Km of belt I could mine.
I get mad because this is the 4th time it's happened this week. So I cancelled my subs. Tired of it. Great game, CCP, I deserved to be shunned out, such as what you'll see below this post.
So... CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFF?
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Dani SP
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:12:00 -
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There are 3 problems here:
1st, you are a noob. You have never wondered about competence and other aspects of this game like time management and opportunity costs. Check your refining and production costs, you would probably make more isk by just selling the minerals or even the raw ore. Not to mention the time and effort.
Why to manufacture Tractor Beams and earn 17mil a week if you can sell raw ore and get instantly 16.5mil? Notice that manufacturing profit is 0.5mil, not 17mil. "mining my own minerals is NOT free" and sometimes its worth to buy from market. Finally think of the time factor, what would you prefer of these? A) to get 100mil now B) to get 120mil at 1st January. In RL I would say "B" but in EVE u can be sure it's far better "A"
2nd, you take everything as personal attacks as it has been revealed on this thread. Nobody likes to been said "you are wrong" but thats a consequence of making a post on the forums whining about things you are very confused with.
3rd, you are not "considerate", sweet irony as opposite of what the title of this thread suggests. More exactly you got a total lack of empathy. A proof of this, you cant understand why someone strip-mines "your" sector of belt and doesn't move to another one... Ehhhhhm lemme check, why should I move this ****** Hulk whose speed is less than 70m/s for... 4 minutes? the lulzzzzz in EVE there's usually multiple individuals aiming for the very same resources and the resolution is called PVP
Originally by: Trig Onami
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Thanks for the lovely insight. I did learn something with your post, unlike Sutra's. They're bent on the fact that I said "my belt" when I had clearly meant "The belt I mine at" but whatever floats their boat.. They love trolling.
So you are considerate? The "sutra chick" courtesly explained the fact you are wrong about assuming the belt is yours just because you anchored some GSC. Sutra is true. Whoever that reads this thread understands YOU started the attacks, not she.
About the guy in the Orca he was right aswell. You are a noob because of mining in GSC. Don't worry many of us did it in the past, GSC are there for a reason: help the noob. Once you get into a Hulk they become useless. Even a Retriever doesn't need GSC as you will spend more time/efforts filling them and collecting with Badger, than just flying back and forth.
If you ever start a 2nd account, and assuming you will use it as miner, I bet you will train directly for Retriever as it doesn't require too much time and it's worth. Then you will eventually get tired of mining, some keep mining for 1 year, some 3 months, and others really never flown a miner ship.
But "meh" this is probably a troll so 9/10
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xing Fey on 27/09/2009 18:39:41 This is an excellent, absolutely exquisite parody of mission salvage whines.
100/10. Especially because all the people whining about "ninjas sappin' mah mission" have rushed to ridicule you...
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Ryhss
Caldari Sarum A Fortiori Sanctimony of Bellum
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Valeronx
Originally by: Trig Onami people who happen to mine at my belt could clean the RIGHT side of the belt if they wish
And right here is your problem Trig. It's NOT your belt.
Just because you decided to anchor some cans there in no way makes it 'yours'.
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Not what he saId. There was plenty of other roids for the Hulk to mine, the Hulk pilot decided to mine where he was, obviously just to harass him.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss There was plenty of other roids for the Hulk to mine, the Hulk pilot decided to mine where he was, obviously just to harass him.
He had probably "claimed" the roids close to the warp-in point, harassing the Hulk by forcing him to travel 50–60k.
Swings both ways… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Riedle
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Posted - 2009.09.28 12:47:00 -
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mmmm.....
Miner rage...
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:09:00 -
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There's a lot of asshats that play eve, but trying to claim a section of a belt for yourself is just inviting grief. What you should have done is simply continued training for a Hulk so that you'd have the same level of ability to collect ore. However, you may have made the right choice (of cancelling) if this level of annoyance bothers you that much, because trust me, it gets much worse than having to share ore with other pilots.
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N'baro Dark
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:25:00 -
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I like to mine occasionally, so I hereby claim ALL belts for my own exclusive use. The rest of you can go fornicate with yourselves!!!!!
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:55:00 -
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Yesterday my Hulk was destroyed by a gang of 6 players who even refused a ransom, their intention, as stated in their bio, being simply to grief.
If someone stealing your scordite will cause this sort of reaction, then the above posters are right. You do not have what it takes to survive in EVE.
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Tish Magev
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:04:00 -
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I'm on the OPs side with this one.
It's not HIS belt no, but there's nothing wrong with asking someone nicely if they wouldn't mind mining further down the field. A reasonable person would think meh why not, I'm not a complete tool after all.
Unfortunately is full of tools and as with most places online general consideration doesn't exist.
None the less I certainly wouldn't let a bunch of stuck up muppets make me quit a game.
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Shirei Fenikkusu
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:21:00 -
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I understand what everyone has said so far.
The original poster is right, it was inconsiderate of the hulk pilot to come and mine the asteroids, if the OP was already there mining the asteroids and asked the hulk, nicely, to move to another part of the belt. After all, we do the same thing between our corp/alliance mates when ratting or mining out in null-sec.
I agree with many of the replies, that although this is annoying, it is a part of Eve. There will always be people out there that just want to give other players a hard time, whether this is to pirate, grief, or just to weed out the competition. Just because you anchor a can in a belt, doesn't mean you own that belt/system. (At least not until Dominion :P )
So, what can you do about it? Find a new way to mine that would make it easier to move when people butt in. An alternate character is invaluable to the solo miner. Never have to worry about cans again, because you will have one giant can sitting right there that can move with you. That particular alt will only need to be trained to use an industrial or transport ship, leaving you free to train a combat character on the same account.
But what if you don't have the money/isk to pay for another account? Join an established industrial corp that has regular mining operations or at least who offer help hauling. You are going to need one sooner or later, might as well get started early. (I see you did join/create the 'Onami Corporation', but chances are that it is just you in the corp, disregard if I'm wrong.)
Anyway, that's my two cents. If you really do quit, good luck to you in whatever you plan to do instead of Eve. To others who read this, well, take what I said into consideration. Yes, it is just a game, but that is no reason to be inconsiderate.
-Shirei Fenikkusu
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Sanguis Fluibant
Amarr The Guiding Greg Social and Best Friend Club
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:25:00 -
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10/10 bravo sir
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:40:00 -
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So what you're saying is, you'll play again when your pizza is ready?
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Hijax Class47
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Posted - 2009.09.28 17:02:00 -
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Has anyone mentioned wormhole mining? I do it all the time just make sure you have a buddy and there's no pos inside. You get everything you need.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:21:00 -
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EvE is not a game of being nice or considerate. Its cutthroat out there.
You have options other than giving up. Some of them require time and effort. I'll list them in order of 'easy' to 'lunatic'.
1) Do a bit of math. How much would you earn just selling your minerals on the market instead of manufacturing? Calculate this in the number of hours you spend mining that 78000m3 of ore. (Let's assume you're 'okay' skilled in that retriver...you should be able to pull in about 300m3 of ore every minute per strip miner, so about 600m3 a minute) So 78000m3 of ore takes you...Just over two hours. (2 hours, 10 minutes, give or take a bit for missed mining cycles, less than full cycles, travel time) Plus hauling time..So let's call it...3 hours to make the math easier.
22 tractor beams will net you somewhere in the neighborhood of 17-18 million isk after taxes, manufacturing fees, etc. You mined about 500k worth of minerals per unit, and needed to buy the mid and high ends about 350k per unit if you are using buy orders. (I'm using eve-central's median buy order prices here for the prices).
So your total profit out of this is looking to be (being generous) about 10 million isk.
Just selling those minerals (500k per unit) would yield you about 11 million. (And that's not setting up a sell order..that's direct sale (assuming you can get the median price that eve-central is quoting, if you setup a sell order, you can get significantly more)
In effect, you would get more isk out of your operation just selling the minerals off instead of manufacturing.
2) Don't waste your time mining...setup buy orders for the minerals you need. Again assuming you can setup at the median buy prices and actually get them filled in a reasonable time frame, you are spending 850k per unit, profiting about 100k per unit (again, being generous). But you are not spending 3 hours mining. You could be doing something else with that time. (Or, mine as well...use your mining to supplement your buy orders)
3) Harrass the guy. Make it not worth his time to mine there. I suggest a cruiser with a Micro Warp Drive. And bump him off his mining spots out of range of the strip miners. He might just get the message and move to another belt where he can mine efficiently.
4) Declare War. If he's not in a player corporation, skip this one. If he is, why not? Wars have been fought over smaller things (1 cap booster 800 comes to mind). Tell him why the war was declared and he might have a change of heart and stop mining in 'your' belt)
5) Hire professionals. Isk is a wonderful thing. There are plenty of mercenary forces out there and some of them will even be hired on the cheap for things that are easy, especially if they are bored and out of work. Do your research on any prospective mercenaries. As with anything else in this game, there's a chance you will get scammed.
6) Suicide Gank. Get a bunch of friends together in cruisers and destroyers...fly over to the guy and blow his hulk into small pieces. Do it a couple times. He might get the message.
Eve is a game of 'don't get mad/emoragequit..get even'. You might find that satisfying. --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.09.28 18:57:00 -
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Now... I know people outmining u is a pain, and u might think it unfair, but the sooner u learn that eve is not a happy happy hello kitty land MMOG the better.
Eve is a cold harsh universe, live with it or go play something else... I'm not beeing mean, just beeing realistic ________________________________________________
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Sharp Feather
Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:53:00 -
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OP, are you STOOPID or something? Got mine somewhere else...DUH... its a MMO not a single player game.
Stoopid is stoopid. LOGIC & MORE LOGIC
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Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2009.09.29 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now... I know people outmining u is a pain, and u might think it unfair, but the sooner u learn that eve is not a happy happy hello kitty land MMOG the better.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP wasn't upset because he was being outmined, but that people were taking from the same asteroids he was mining, despite there being more asteroids of the same type not far away.
Originally by: Sharp Feather OP, are you STOOPID or something? Got mine somewhere else...DUH... its a MMO not a single player game.
Stoopid is stoopid. Shocked
True he could have gone somewhere else to mine, but this happened on 4 separate occasions. Chances are that even if he used my idea to have an alt to haul and could easily move, he would still be put in the same situation with people mining the same roids he was trying to mine.
The OP isn't stupid, just stating the simple truth that there are many inconsiderate people in Eve that think it is fine to do whatever they please just because it is a game.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.29 22:22:00 -
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Hmm. So the guy who 'bagsies' a belt for his own private mining is complaining about someone else being inconsiderate?
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:27:00 -
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fly to other belt, your earnings mean other's losses. Naturally they will fight for their interests.
do you get that? __________________________________ - Mining your own minerals doesnt drop your manufacturing costs! - Marginal earnings is what actually counts - Time is isk and enjoyment is isk aswell |
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.30 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Opportunity Costs fly to other belt, your earnings mean other's losses. Naturally they will fight for their interests.
do you get that?
This post is 2 months old.
do you get that?
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Opportunity Costs
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.09 17:33:00 -
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Im sorry, apparently being considerate is not a crime now. It was 2 months ago, but suddenly the EVE community has suffered a big change in these 60 days... __________________________________ - Mining your own minerals doesnt drop your manufacturing costs! - Marginal earnings is what actually counts - Time is isk and enjoyment is isk aswell |
Laciter
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:13:00 -
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He was nipping the competition (you) in the bud. You might seem like a non-threat, but what happens when ten other miners like you come in, then that Hulk pilot is going to have to work that much harder. What happens when you eventually train up your own hulk? By discouraging you from mining belts in that system now while you are weak, he is really just being a smart competitor. Don't take it personally, it's just a game. Alternatively, instead of mining at belts, you could scan down deadspace asteroid fields, or mission runners and mine in their missions, join an industrial corp, find a WH, etc. If your main interest is manufacturing and selling, then you could just buy the minerals off someone else and focus your skills on manufacturing and trade.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 09/12/2009 18:20:06 POSTING in an IMPORTANT thread wut wut
Hi everybody.
I once anchored a small bubble. Got very frustrated with people exiting warp at the gate and slamming right into it!
HOW DARE THEY .. So I exploded them for their crimes against my anchored object.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:28:00 -
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I was going to send you 500m isk for making such a funny post but you have unsubbed so that would just be a waste.
Originally by: Tirus Sinobi Your response has set your intelligence barrier so low that anything you post from here on that breaches it, will have to be considered posted by somebody else.
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Drenlo Brutor
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:28:00 -
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Eve really does have one of worst communities of any game. People try to brag it up about how mature the community is but it's not. You just have to accept that or quit playing. There are decent groups of people playing and if you can find one and ignore/kill the rest of the community it's not so bad. If you don't have really thick skin then EVE probably isn't the game for you.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank I was going to send you 500m isk for making such a funny post but you have unsubbed so that would just be a waste.
So someone actually followed through with their ragequiet threats?
Remarkable ---
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Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trig Onami
That Sutra chick is annoying at best, so I'm going to ignore "it".
Sutra is right, and I say the truth hurts. I had people do that to me too, I just jumped from belt to belt until I made enough and had the skills to use a Hulk. Get over it.
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Chae Csee
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.12.09 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
4) Declare War. If he's not in a player corporation, skip this one. If he is, why not? Wars have been fought over smaller things (1 cap booster 800 comes to mind). Tell him why the war was declared and he might have a change of heart and stop mining in 'your' belt)
That was my favorite cap booster 800. I was saving it to make some Ultra Quafe S'mores.
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2009.12.09 20:04:00 -
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L-M-F-A-O
so rather than train up for a hulk yourself, you quit the game
also i love the fact you quit your "accountS" plural, so in that case you are an idiot, because if u do have more than 1 account why the hell are u secure canning just f*cking train 1 to industrial 3 or 4 and use a jetcan for transfers between the 2 accounts...
serious if you do have more than 1 account your right to get bashed on.
I just find it stupid your whining in local, whining to the pilot, whining on the forum, all because you somehow thing because u drop cans you somehow own that spot on the system
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