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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:45:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: Another false statement nobody wants a100% safe region it goes against everything eve stands for, only the new players and the griefers want this
so if the new players and greifers want a 100% safe area... new players and griefers are nobody?
Or am I missing something key here?
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
136
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:45:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.
Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.
Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
957
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:47:00 -
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I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ... |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
136
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:49:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...
I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"
Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them. Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:51:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.
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Kimmi Chan
Black Rebel Rifter Club
32
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:52:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.
We do. Hell there are corps down there that do nothing but shoot each other all day but they don't profit from that. You know who does profit from that? High sec miners. The same ones who come to these forums and complain day in and day out about wanting to be 100% safe.
We sit down here and have PVP duels, learn from our errors, and get better at the game. High sec miners get blown up, learn nothing, and seek to change the mechanics of the game in a concerted effort to stack the deck in their favor.
Here is another ground-breaking concept - PVP is not optional in Eve and this is indisputable. Stop coming to the forum and disputing it.
Off to work. Have a great day! Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:52:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Roime wrote:Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
False again it is the whiny griefers that loathes the idea that they have to share the safety oh highsec with other people who are actually enjoying this game
Sorry, but I see no difference between a hiseccer and a hiseccer, regardless of what they do there. 99 times out of 100 when a hiseccer posts here, it's a ganker or carebear whining about something.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
136
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:52:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.
This guy here. This guy gets it. Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1681
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:54:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Velicitia wrote:I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ... I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"
That's called fun.
But that kind of fun takes more effort to make happen than suicide ganking, so v0v. Besides that, now that OTEC is humming along, there's not much incentive to fight big battles. Once Tech's nerfed and alliances start scrambling for the next big income source, we won't have much time for ganking and will have to bid you adieu Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
683
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:54:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Why can't they fight back? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
151
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:56:00 -
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Roime wrote:Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
Nobody hates PvPers, but everybody loathes the whiny ganktard forum poster who wants to ruin EVE. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
250
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:58:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Velicitia wrote:I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ... I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!" Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them.
Much like those who think they shouldn't be affected by anyone else in the game, if they actually got some balls and took steps to protect themselves they wouldn't be such easy target. But then that takes effort, so not really an option for the entitlement crowd is it. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
250
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:59:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed. This guy here. This guy gets it.
Only in your opinion, which means he doesn't get it at all. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
139
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:01:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Velicitia wrote:I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ... I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!" Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them. Much like those who think they shouldn't be affected by anyone else in the game, if they actually got some balls and took steps to protect themselves they wouldn't be such easy target. But then that takes effort, so not really an option for the entitlement crowd is it.
There is no bigger entitlement crowd than the so-called PvP Enthusiast, and you know it. Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
264
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:01:00 -
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I don't think you should put a label on someone because of their geographic location.
If CCP want to 'fix' this problem, then I have a few suggestions:
1) Start all new players in 0.0 - let them 'fight' their way to 0.5 and higher - if they succeed, then they get their first month for free, and become immune to forum whiners, as they have 'earnt' their right to live in 0.5 and higher. 2) Do a /TR [player name] [solar system] on all 'alt' characters of alliance members to 0.0 - this will elliminate concerns about duplicity. 3) make all gates to 0.0 a one-way thing, as Concord will automatically assume you are not interested in living under any protection. 4) nullify all weapons in 0.5 and higher, except for war declarations and PvE.
only problem is: no one has any balls at CCP/CSM to put this through.
Maybe someone should call TomB...
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:04:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.
This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:05:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Roime wrote:Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
Nobody hates PvPers, but everybody loathes the whiny ganktard forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
+1 Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
140
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:05:00 -
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Roime wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed. This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures.
Lots of anger surfacing there mate.
Hit a nerve, did he??
Gallente is what America believes itself to be.
Caldari is how America is in reality. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
684
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:07:00 -
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I still want to know why its impossible for miners to defend themselves...... Even if you can't dodge a gank, there are MANY measures you can take.
Here is a good one, mine in a lowsec pocket so you can freely shoot first to defend yourself, but pick one with a single gate, which should lead only to highsec.
Population is low enough to keep an eye on local, you can shoot first so you can set traps, and odds are good anyone you see just uses the system as a staging point for capitals they use elsewhere anyway. Safest lowsec systems I have found have all turned out to be capital staging points for various alliances. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Kougy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:12:00 -
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I dont know why people hate us so much, I just want to mine in peace darnit. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
848
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:12:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Roime wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: 2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.
This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec. Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head. But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed. This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures. Lots of anger surfacing there mate. Hit a nerve, did he??
wut? "This is total clueless bullshit." is anger to you? The posts are total clueless bullshit, no way around it.
Did you know that normal people who don't live in hisec rarely come there except when they need something from the hubs? And that the suicide ganker/wardeccer/trade hub can ***** gang is just another breed of the hisec bear? They don't leave the safety of hisec either.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
266
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:13:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote:1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?
2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"
Am I completely off the mark?
At this point a majority of 0.0 Alliances have blued, NIP'ed, or NAP'ed each other so there is very little to do out there. To keep the Blue lists, NIP's, and NAP's going you need to supply the sheep something large enough to keep them occupied or they will start to fight with each other.
The CFC "Coalition For Cowards" has 30,000 pilots whom are infatuated with The Martini and would do anything he commands them to do, even something like paying $15/month to wage a "Forever War" against high sec miners. As long as he can keep them convinced that it's "the right thing to do" then he doesnGÇÖt need to bother loging in or thinking about what to do with them every day... .
GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Cpt Roghie
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:17:00 -
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Kougy wrote:I dont know why people hate us so much, I just want to mine in peace darnit.
No one hates you. It's just darn profitable to murder you. Zzzzzzzz.
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Gealbhan
Used Shuttle Sales Representative
158
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:18:00 -
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Low Sec Vs High Sec in its most basic component is just a class battle thing, nothing more. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
684
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:18:00 -
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OMG, Snot Shot posted outside of COAD?
EVE truly is dying. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:27:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote: At this point a majority of 0.0 Alliances have blued, NIP'ed, or NAP'ed each other so there is very little to do out there. To keep the Blue lists, NIP's, and NAP's going you need to supply the sheep something large enough to keep them occupied or they will start to fight with each other.
And they will start fighting one another, but in a controlled way and the worry about having something to do is very real. Someone posted a state of the alliance chat here a while ago that addressed that very issue as the primary concern. Most previous powerblocks have essentially died of boredom. The conundrum is that the CFC is untenable except as a whole, but as a whole it's dull as hell. "We won EVE" turns out not to be such an interesting outcome.
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Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
11
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:40:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote: As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA.
I've only seen a handful of threads asking for buffs to barges, or changes to reduce ganking...
The other 42,523,526 threads are people complaining about highsec "carebares" and how they want to ruin eve.
The really stupid suggestions about highsec are usually from trolls trying to keep some sort of "war against carebears" alive. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:42:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:OMG, Snot Shot posted outside of COAD?
EVE truly is dying.
Indeed |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:43:00 -
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Drei Ontalas wrote: If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player is happy training his suicide ganking alt to say hello, in his own way, to a fellow miner - why is that a problem?
It's not, right?
However, even during hulkageddon I've seen dozen miners sitting happily in their exhumers, aligned to some random empty space, not caring for a thrasher targeting them. I'm no pirate nor ganker in hart but this IS the problem and something to be dealt with. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
270
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:44:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO.
er no
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