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wost
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:26:00 -
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Hi , i'm fairly new to the caldari pvp side hehe..Is this setup somewhat good for gangpvp.. tackling will be happening by hictor or dedicated tackler so ..
Does 543dps with the tech II missiles and 495 with the faction missiles
has 98.000k ehp with 75/83/80/74 resist with 18326 shield..
should i forget about it or ?
[Nighthawk, Buffer tank nighthawk PVP] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Empty
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II
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Xandi Crews
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:51:00 -
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Drake does what you're doing better and cheaper.
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fatherted1989
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: wost Hi , i'm fairly new to the caldari pvp side hehe..Is this setup somewhat good for gangpvp.. tackling will be happening by hictor or dedicated tackler so ..
Does 543dps with the tech II missiles and 495 with the faction missiles
has 98.000k ehp with 75/83/80/74 resist with 18326 shield..
should i forget about it or ?
[Nighthawk, Buffer tank nighthawk PVP] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Empty
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II
friendly greetings
The fitting looks sound, but a drake will do what your asking (with less DPS, yes) but for a lot less isk.
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Traderboz
SlaveMart
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xandi Crews Drake does what you're doing better and cheaper.
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BiggestT
Caldari Oz Space Diggers
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Posted - 2009.08.22 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 22/08/2009 15:18:57 Drop the 2 pds, put an rcu on.
Then put a damage control system in the spare low (yes, even shield tankers require a damage control unit).
You will then own your very own vanilla nighthawk.
IMO just use a drake, decent ehp, lower dps but it can actually contribute to the gang with much ability for ewar.
A nighthawk is only superior if it has a gangmod, which it can't fit
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.08.23 03:33:00 -
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Despite what everyone else has said here concerning the Nighthawk's uselessness in PVP, one that is well-flown can decimate a small fleet by itself with its ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong passive tank and immunity to neuts.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.23 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn Despite what everyone else has said here concerning the Nighthawk's uselessness in PVP, one that is well-flown can decimate a small fleet by itself with its ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong passive tank and immunity to neuts.
Get almost the same tank and an extra midslot for tackle or ECM or whatever with the Drake far cheaper. Just saying.
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BiggestT
Caldari Oz Space Diggers
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn Despite what everyone else has said here concerning the Nighthawk's uselessness in PVP, one that is well-flown can decimate a small fleet by itself with its ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong passive tank and immunity to neuts.
Yeah unless you want to spend billions ur gonna be in the same boat with a drake (which u cld probably also spend billions on and make it even better, 3 t2 rigs anyone? lol) EVE history
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 23/08/2009 05:09:46
Originally by: Lyris Nairn Despite what everyone else has said here concerning the Nighthawk's uselessness in PVP, one that is well-flown can decimate a small fleet by itself with its ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong passive tank and immunity to neuts.
Huh?
Immunity to what? Just because it can shoot without cap doesnt mean its immune to neuts. It needs cap for hardeners and MWD as well.
And your so called ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong nber mega super duper unbelieaveable passive tank, just isnt the ridiculously overpowered and god-awefully strong nber mega super duper unbelieaveable passive tank you think it is.
And as soon as the NH can take out small fleets well flown, the Sleip has just won Eve.
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BillyBong2
Amarr Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 22/08/2009 15:18:57 Drop the 2 pds, put an rcu on.
Then put a damage control system in the spare low (yes, even shield tankers require a damage control unit).
You will then own your very own vanilla nighthawk.
IMO just use a drake, decent ehp, lower dps but it can actually contribute to the gang with much ability for ewar.
A nighthawk is only superior if it has a gangmod, which it can't fit
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile) Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
2x Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
3x Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II
2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Warrior II ------- Fits. The main challenge with the Nighthawk is being apart of a gang that can hit targets beyond 75km.... Have to mess with the mid slot fit to get more range and should probably drop a CDF and replace it with a missile velocity or flight time rig.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:03:00 -
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PVP, but no disruptor?
Clearly these setups are kind of fail. Get a Drake, it can tackle and deal damage, plus it has a sturdy tank.
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BillyBong2
Amarr Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:25:00 -
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LOL - the Nighthawk is a command ship and should be at range. Look through the forums for a solo fit that does have a point fitted. As the nighthawk is a slow moving ship, having a point on it is useless, that is what gang mates are for.
I let them worry about tackling, not me.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: BillyBong2 LOL - the Nighthawk is a command ship and should be at range. Look through the forums for a solo fit that does have a point fitted. As the nighthawk is a slow moving ship, having a point on it is useless, that is what gang mates are for.
I let them worry about tackling, not me.
Then why not use a proper boosting ship? Like the Vulture, hide in a ss and give loads of boosts.
THe Nighthawk was by design, as CCP stated, not to use MWD. And in the current game, MWD is essential. Therefor the ships sucks big time. A Drake outperforms it, at vastly lower prices. And now Tengu can do waht it does, but better.
NH is a bad ship.
Aslo tackling is one thing, but having a disrutpor fitted does not mean you are a solo ship
What if you are fighitng 1 more enemy then your vurrent gang? Then he might escape. a point is always good to have on any vombat ship.
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BillyBong2
Amarr Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:56:00 -
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Part of it has to do with answering the OP question. I think people forget on these forums to answer their question. I did that, provided a fit with a Gang mod that has a decent tank and good DPS, with my skills drones included 610 with faction ammo.
You are correct in Eve's PvP environment one has to have an MWD fit. I know when using my NH recently, the tacklers going after me have only had a disruptor fit, therefore allowing me time to target and kill them.
My Nighthawk fit, I like it, it is effective and has survived a lot.
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Morris 159
Free Space Initiative Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:37:00 -
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Nighthawk is pretty nice for pvp if used properly
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Rukongai Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:03:00 -
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I love these kinds of threads. No matter what ship people ask advice for, the most advice they get is to fly a different ship... lol
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Morris 159 Nighthawk is pretty nice for pvp if used properly
http://www.damagedealer.com/game/eveonline/watchvideo/1095
No.
That thing needs tones of faction stuffs and the like, and its still mediocre at best.
Sure, the vid ws fun, buts its hardly proof
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 26/08/2009 15:04:02
Originally by: BillyBong2
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile) Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
2x Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
3x Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II
2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Warrior II ------- Fits. The main challenge with the Nighthawk is being apart of a gang that can hit targets beyond 75km.... Have to mess with the mid slot fit to get more range and should probably drop a CDF and replace it with a missile velocity or flight time rig.
That thing tanks 240 dps.
U seriously think it wise to spend 270 mill on a ship that can be popped by a solo vaga? Not to mention a nighthawks dps is just aweful to begin with.
A vulture is so much more usuful here, and even that ship is cheaper
It's basically a drake with a gang mod, the gang mod is just not worth the added pricetag and loss of ew ability.
While this is the best fit I've seen with a gangmod for a nh to date, it still highlights the obvious short comings of this ship, namely isk/efficiency. EVE history
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Edited by: BiggestT on 26/08/2009 15:04:02
Originally by: BillyBong2
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile) Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
2x Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
3x Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II
2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Warrior II ------- Fits. The main challenge with the Nighthawk is being apart of a gang that can hit targets beyond 75km.... Have to mess with the mid slot fit to get more range and should probably drop a CDF and replace it with a missile velocity or flight time rig.
That thing tanks 240 dps.
U seriously think it wise to spend 270 mill on a ship that can be popped by a solo vaga? Not to mention a nighthawks dps is just aweful to begin with.
A vulture is so much more usuful here, and even that ship is cheaper
It's basically a drake with a gang mod, the gang mod is just not worth the added pricetag and loss of ew ability.
While this is the best fit I've seen with a gangmod for a nh to date, it still highlights the obvious short comings of this ship, namely isk/efficiency.
so on the isk/efficiency rating theme, the best PVP ship would be a rifter and can flipping hulks all day.
People need to stop paying attention to isk/efficiency and think about what is best ship and fitting for the job at hand. Then thinking about how to make it fit into their bujget. If you can afford to lose it, go right ahead. Also if you manage to kill more than 2 BS with your ship your ahead of the isk/eff curve anyways. Just make sure you don't lose it in the first 5 min.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288
so on the isk/efficiency rating theme, the best PVP ship would be a rifter and can flipping hulks all day.
People need to stop paying attention to isk/efficiency and think about what is best ship and fitting for the job at hand. Then thinking about how to make it fit into their bujget. If you can afford to lose it, go right ahead. Also if you manage to kill more than 2 BS with your ship your ahead of the isk/eff curve anyways. Just make sure you don't lose it in the first 5 min.
Theres a difference between paying more for say a t2 cruiser as to provide for better performance than a t1 cruiser, and theres a difference between say a 10% gain from a near 1000% loss in isk compared to other ships (e.g. drake ->nighthawk).
The nighthawk can work well in pvp, that precision bonus is sweet for the smaller stuff. The problem is it's simply not worth flying over a drake or vulture (both of which dont just compete with the nighthawk they outperform it in many ways e.g. more gang mods for a vulture, more ewar for a drake). EVE history
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:42:00 -
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Nighthawk's DPS-range product is fine. Its PG isn't. Nor are purger rigs on a PVP fit.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Nighthawk's DPS-range product is fine. Its PG isn't. Nor are purger rigs on a PVP fit.
Its dps is kinda meh for a CS, though I agree that's not the issue.
Purger rigs are pretty bad unless you like to fight small fights e.g. small war decs (knew a guy who used them wholeheartedly, he didn't do too adly actually) or something, though the realistic application is just laughable. Extenders are indeed much better.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 26/08/2009 16:00:49 Hm, only like 50 more dps than hml drake... dont think its worth it. Maybe if nh got enough pg to fit ganglink without fitting mods/implants...or if precision bonus was explosion radius bonus .
[Nighthawk, cant fit :(] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
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Originally by: BiggestT Its dps is kinda meh for a CS, though I agree that's not the issue.
Ofc, 600 dps at 70km is meh...
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Hm, only like 50 more dps than hml drake... dont think its worth it. Maybe if nh got enough pg to fit ganglink without fitting mods/implants...or if precision bonus was explosion radius bonus .
[Nighthawk, cant fit :(] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Change the point to an extender (maybe be made so that a rcu II or pds II is required) and I'd consider that a decent fit (I prefer ecm drones for lol griefing but meh apples/oranges)
Sadly CCP don't agree EVE history
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:16:00 -
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It needs a point! :P
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Change the point to an extender (maybe be made so that a rcu II or pds II is required) and I'd consider that a decent fit
Well i was thinking about some range tank - thats why nano /maybe 2 and snakes/. Usually its good when you can keep distance between you and enemy gang. Even if they send tacklers you can get enough range from main group = less dps coming your way.
Well about that disruptor... i like to have it on all pvp ships, just in case... if you think you have enough points or you wont be in disruptor range anyway, fit painter or whatever /painter will allow you to shoot furys even at cruisers with great success/.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:45:00 -
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NH lacks the midslots to fit PVP modules AND fit a tank, as others have stated; the Drake is pretty much on par for a fraction of the cost, can be nicely insured as well.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 26/08/2009 16:48:07
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs It needs a point! :P
No point in not having a point.
When I have a shield tanker with 5 mid slots that costs 250 mill, I'm not fitting a point :P
Seriously, almost EVERY ship can fit a point, if you're the only one without a point then I'm sure your gang will survuve.
The theoretical fit that I'm talking about is fine as tt still provides use to the gang by adding staying power, ok dps with a handy precision bonus, and ecm drones provide some tactical capability.. edit: not to mention it would have a gang mod! EVE history
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Dominatus Crispus
Gallente Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:04:00 -
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lmao... the nighthawk is a solo pwn-moble if properly setup, something no drake can even come close too... sure the drake can tank... passively at that but it can't ever compare to a nighthawk...
and the "for less money" statements are moot... you get what you pay for.
also... if your skilled... try working up a fit with assault missiles, the range should be plenty good, and the dps increase is yummy. and if you really need to see a nighthawk that can pvp, convo me ingame, i'll set something up for you.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 26/08/2009 17:20:59
Originally by: Dominatus Crispus lmao... the nighthawk is a solo pwn-moble if properly setup, something no drake can even come close too... sure the drake can tank... passively at that but it can't ever compare to a nighthawk...
and the "for less money" statements are moot... you get what you pay for.
also... if your skilled... try working up a fit with assault missiles, the range should be plenty good, and the dps increase is yummy. and if you really need to see a nighthawk that can pvp, convo me ingame, i'll set something up for you.
I agree that it's a fine ship in itself, however it doesn't fulfill its role (gang boosting while providing solid tank + some gank yet no real ewar ability) due to weak grid.
If you're not fitting a gangmod, then it's an ok ship but some of us "poor" players prefer a scalar bang for our buck. EVE history
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