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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:41:00 -
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for ccp to announce their new project to the public on the gdc in germany.
the codename is "dust 514"
anxious anyone?.....
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:43:00 -
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Still going with my "console addition to the EVE universe" theory.
Aka, console controlled EVE in the same persistent universe
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:46:00 -
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Me imagines a FPS game where your trying to run from an all powerful capsuleer that has his sights on killing you all because you stole something from him. Saddly no matter how many times you kill him he keeps comming back, little bit more angier than last time. Of course with him being a capsuler what you as a normal man can do against this demigod who can hire legions of loyal soldiers and surmountable amounts of equipment at his disposal let alone those mighty battleships that can do you in from orbit.
Im sure if you threw a good enough story writer and level designer at it, it could be a compelling game.
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Lord Haur
Amarr StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: GDCEurope site Hilmar PTtursson, Chief Executive Officer, CCP
"CCP: Winning the War" Tuesday, August 18 11:20am-12:10pm
Today is tuesday 18th, right? riiiiiiite?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Haur
Originally by: GDCEurope site Hilmar PTtursson, Chief Executive Officer, CCP
"CCP: Winning the War" Tuesday, August 18 11:20am-12:10pm
Today is tuesday 18th, right? riiiiiiite?
Interesting twist of events
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:53:00 -
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I heard stuff...
Win a Ragnarok titan for 10M ISK |
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Haur
Today is tuesday 18th, right? riiiiiiite?
yes, in exactly 13 hours from now, MEST (middle european summer time) xD
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Lord Haur
Amarr StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Press Release Hilmar PFtursson, Chief Executive Officer of CCP, one of the worldÆs largest independent game developers, will deliver a keynote address at the 2009 Game Developers Conference Europe entitled, ôCCP: Winning the Warö. GDC Europe will take place August 17-19, 2009
linky
I see no mention of the keynote being today, only that it's at the GDC which is on the 17th-19th. As I already posted, it's actually tomorrow.
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Miss Haur
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Posted - 2009.08.17 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Haur on 17/08/2009 08:57:36
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Lord Haur
Today is tuesday 18th, right? riiiiiiite?
yes, in exactly 13 hours from now, MEST (middle european summer time) xD
ergo, it's not the 18th YET, which mean's it's tomorrow *shrug*
Edit: Damn alt
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:12:00 -
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anyone know if the GDC is streamed somewhere?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra "dust 514" anxious anyone?
Not really.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tamahra "dust 514" anxious anyone?
Not really.
you useless little...
help finding a stream for those who are anxious
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:14:00 -
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You guys thought CCP would write a whole new 3D engine for this tiny MMO with only 250k players?
ROI much?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tamahra "dust 514" anxious anyone?
Not really.
you useless little... help finding a stream for those who are anxious
It's not like we have a lot of info to go on (nor will we receive much info even after this "unveiling"), it's not like the codename says anything to me right now, and it's not like it's far into the future so the suspense would be killing me.
It's as if you would ask us to be anxious about the trailer you hear will be shown tomorrow in some cinema before a movie you don't really want to see, a trailer for some upcoming movie of some director you liked previous movies of.
Seriously... what the... how the hell should anybody be anxious about that ? I have a better thing to be anxious about, like, umm, say, will it rain tomorrow or not, or will my friends grill white meat or red meat at the next party ? Now, those are things that (in relation to this "dust xyz" thing) are almost worth being anxious about.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:39:00 -
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dust 514 sounds like some exotic designer drug to me.
maybe its a new feature that is more addictive than crack and hello kitty online put together. it will be so extra special uber uber leet that when announced it will make the heavens part and choirs of angels sing and eve players wet their diapers with awestruckness. WOW will tremble at the weight of the announcement and start announcing added features to combat eve rather than that mmo coming out a yearish from now. Every other space mmo in the pipe throws up their hands and howls and curses that they lost and shuts down their offices and go home en mass.
Or maybe it just some buzz word they made up to make it seem like they were actually announce something we have not heard about already 2 years ago in some dev blog, or seen videos of already and will make some lame joke about it in the speech.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 17/08/2009 11:52:07
Originally by: Chribba I heard stuff...
I thought you hear stuff?
Originally by: Akita T
It's not like we have a lot of info to go on (nor will we receive much info even after this "unveiling")
well the logo kinda looks like the eve fac war one, doesn't it?
so might have something to do with eve? and I get excited about anything to do with eve :)
but there's other stuff I wanted to see from the GDC (as I cant pay a 600 euro ticket to attend...)
but it would seem there is no stream. or at least there wast one in the morning...
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 17/08/2009 11:56:08 Well, the Dust 514 logo pretty much spells out EVE so either it too is directly related to the EVE universe (which is my bet) or the artists at CCP have gotten so used to making EVE logos that they no longer can make anything else. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 17/08/2009 13:03:22
Originally by: fuze You guys thought CCP would write a whole new 3D engine for this tiny MMO with only 250k players?
ROI much?
L2Dev
They're creating another engine for WoD, not to mention they already have a 3D engine - once you have one it's really not all that difficult to apply it to different things (IE, characters, etc). EVE has 300k+ players too, FYI. And this 'tiny' MMO is the second largest next to WoW. ---
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:10:00 -
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Well my theory is that it will be a console FPS game that will hook in to the EVE universe as part of planetary interaction.
In less than 24h we will know.
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Discrodia
Gallente SCUM. ACADEMY SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:19:00 -
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EVE FPS.
Totally called it if I'm right ___________________________________________
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Well my theory is that it will be a console FPS game that will hook in to the EVE universe as part of planetary interaction.
In less than 24h we will know.
BS....
Here's the truth, it will be the single player version of EVE on a console.
This will make it so that all the multi-boxers who don't like the "Multi-Player" part of this MMO can not waste bandwidth running their 86,735 alts. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:50:00 -
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today is really the day (as opposed to yesterday, when it wasnt the day yet)
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:52:00 -
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Unfortunately, while it is indeed the day, it is not yet the time.
*fidgets*
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:52:00 -
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It's nothing to do with Eve directly.
Conscious that we don't have enough natural resources to sustain the human population at current growth, the World leaders have asked CCP to design a spaceship capable of mining, running missions, shooting things with lasers, and able to spin freely when docked in the international space station. Obama himself will be there for the announcement.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:07:00 -
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Maybe we'll get patch notes too.
Tuesday really could be the new Monday!
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:09:00 -
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1:20 hours to go
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:14:00 -
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anyone has found any stream?
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx Conscious that we don't have enough natural resources to sustain the human population at current growth, the World leaders have asked CCP to design a spaceship capable of mining, running missions, shooting things with lasers, and able to spin freely when docked in the international space station. Obama himself will be there for the announcement.
*spits drink across screen*
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grez And this 'tiny' MMO is the second largest next to WoW.
That's only in the West. In Asia it's not even on the radar.
Not that I'm belittling Eve's success, just that I thought I'd put some perspective on it. Asian MMOs are f'ing HUGE compared to Eve, and right up there with WoW.
We should just be thankful CCP likes to keep its vision of the game instead of going for what's popular with the masses.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:34:00 -
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I doubt there will be a stream. there is nothing on their site, and only a few things on youtube.
Gamasutra is however doing a report on all the speeches going on there. So you can check summaries of the events that might be of interest to you. and they appear to be updating regularly as well. I wonder how long it will take them to update whatever it is CCP has to say...
I didn't find anyone else doing any reporting on the GDC so if anyone has any links please share :)
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:34:00 -
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0:50 until ze beginning of hilmars speech!
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:46:00 -
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i think its evident now that the new project is a new game, and not an expansion to eve online.
As you can see on the picture, on the bottom left theres the letters "eve online", in the middle theres the letters "world of darkness", and on the bottom right theres the area which is still pasted over.
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:07:00 -
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We have no idea what World Of Darkness means, the rumors of a new game are interesting yes, but I still feel it could bring a scenario of CCP overdoing themselves...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:11:00 -
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Please keep me posted about Hellmars speech! And links would be great too!
I just hope that CCP too publish something on their pages. EVE online or not, we who have followed CCP and EVE for a while now wants to know more about the company we holds so dear!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:12:00 -
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If they only could focus entirely on EvE..
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please keep me posted about Hellmars speech! And links would be great too!
I just hope that CCP too publish something on their pages. EVE online or not, we who have followed CCP and EVE for a while now wants to know more about the company we holds so dear!
i wish i knew a link to a livestream or something
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:13:00 -
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FPS would be ok but I would rather see a huge scale sup com space RTS instead.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Grez And this 'tiny' MMO is the second largest next to WoW.
That's only in the West. In Asia it's not even on the radar.
Not that I'm belittling Eve's success, just that I thought I'd put some perspective on it. Asian MMOs are f'ing HUGE compared to Eve, and right up there with WoW.
We should just be thankful CCP likes to keep its vision of the game instead of going for what's popular with the masses.
Then again to be honest the whole fantasy thing hits Asian MMO market on the spot when it comes to what they want to play there. ________________________________________________
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:14:00 -
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I'd love for garlic bread to be added as a commodity.
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:28:00 -
[40]
Best i can find
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random Best i can find
You just won 2 internets.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:36:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Something Random Best i can find
thank you very much
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Jessie Jacobs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:42:00 -
[43]
Thanks for the Twiszzler ling
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:48:00 -
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So what are the bets that the new stuff will be presented during the last 5 minutes? |
Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Elextra on 18/08/2009 09:59:15 ..a first-person shooter??
confirmed I guess...
"'DUST 514' is the name - looks very Halo. great feeling of warzone less than 20 seconds ago from TwitterFox holy crap... looks brilliant half a minute ago from TwitterFox ..a first-person shooter??"
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Paranoid Lemming
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana So what are the bets that the new stuff will be presented during the last 5 minutes?
quoting fail
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Amidel
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Amidel on 18/08/2009 10:04:03 >console
Edit: Woah what? This is starting to sound like a sov mechanic update...are you telling me I need to go buy an Xbox if I want to claim sov on a system?
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:02:00 -
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...it's a hybrid FPS and RTS set within the EVE universe, for consoles. It's CCP's MMO for consoles!
Dust 514 - Set on the planets of Eve
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:03:00 -
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/me "dusts" off his 360.
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Giddions Brain
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:03:00 -
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holy crap! planetary control decided by a separate game... kinda insane really....
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx /me "dusts" off his 360.
/me does so the same.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:04:00 -
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it's a massively multiplayer game that 'connects' to the EVE universe. Dust will become an 'input' into who controls planets in EVE
I guess my little prediction at page 1 wasn't that far off after all...
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:05:00 -
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Quote: Been in development for three years at CCP's Shanghai studio... woah.
Sneaky bastrds
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Lagn Gita
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:06:00 -
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not just for consoles is it? just available also on them?
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Valator Uel
Caldari N'Th'Rack Squadron Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Aurora Nyx /me "dusts" off his 360.
/me does so the same.
/me searches for spare change to buy a 360
/me mutters: bloody hell
Quote: Aya > Hostile tcf gang coming to h-pa Deva Blackfire > ships? Ralarina > Yes, in ships
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lagn Gita not just for consoles is it? just available also on them?
According to the twitter: "...it's a hybrid FPS and RTS set within the EVE universe, for consoles. It's CCP's MMO for consoles!"
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:08:00 -
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100mil to person who finds trailer before public release...
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Jar Re
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:09:00 -
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so not only a separate game which will have its own fee but its not even on the same gaming system as the game it has an impact on?
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jar Re so not only a separate game which will have its own fee but its not even on the same gaming system as the game it has an impact on?
It's kinda like a spin-off. Think "Joanie and Chachi" to "Happy Days".
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:12:00 -
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brilliant move! Charge players twice to play one game!
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Elextra 100mil to person who finds trailer before public release...
*searches the interwebz*
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:16:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Elextra 100mil to person who finds trailer before public release...
*searches the interwebz*
bear in mind I'm at work without Eve access, payment will be after 7pm GMT if anyone does find it
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:18:00 -
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I ponder how this will alter the entire way alliances protect their territory?
Also I am curious how it will affect the balance of EVE, no offense to console gamers here but in my experience console gamers are not quite as intelligent as PC gamers... putting the two together in one universe, even if it's separated by the "atmosphere" could be explosive.
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ivanna Nuke I ponder how this will alter the entire way alliances protect their territory?
Also I am curious how it will affect the balance of EVE, no offense to console gamers here but in my experience console gamers are not quite as intelligent as PC gamers... putting the two together in one universe, even if it's separated by the "atmosphere" could be explosive.
I imagine that's not quite how they envision this working - they can't force alliances to buy the console game to secure their space. More likely this adds in to FW - the FW systems will now be influenced by planet control as well as the traditional Eve mechanic (or whatever they change it to to accommodate dust)
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:20:52 http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24886
hmm, not sure if I am happy with this ...
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Lagn Gita
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:20:52 http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24886
hmm, not sure if I am happy with this ...
Quote: The announcement, with the trailer tagline of "one universe, one war"
one universe, one war, 2 subscription fees, 2 gaming systems.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:23:00 -
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I was expecting something like this. This is the kind of innovative thought that I dearly miss from Blizzard.
Of course the ground game should be completely separated from the spaceship game. Obviously spaceship captains do NOT run around in the mud shooting at each other, especially not pod pilots. But through the awesomeness that is the EVE market system the two game worlds can connect. People on the ground might need resources that people in the sky have to ship to them and the other way around too. And there are lots of other possible interconnections too.
This is just another brilliant example of how the world of EVE drips of creative potential and it is a pleasure to see that CCP (unlike some of its smaller minded playerbase) understands to take advantage of is. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lagn Gita
Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:20:52 http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24886
hmm, not sure if I am happy with this ...
Quote: The announcement, with the trailer tagline of "one universe, one war"
one universe, one war, 2 subscription fees, 2 gaming systems.
Yep, not liking this at all :(
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Andrea Erlang
Caldari Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:25:00 -
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as long as they don't f**k up the canon, I'm not complaining. Obviously capsuleers are still the elite. Otherwise we seriously need a ship that can blow up planets... or just let people doomsday planets.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:29:00 -
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Quote:
CCP's Petursson hope that "these communities will meld over time", expecting specific Dust 514 corporations to start with, but eventually social structures that bridge across the two. He quipped of the new game and the relationship between the two titles: "While the fleet does the flying, the industry does the dying."
I don't see this happening at all. The console gamecrowd is very different from the current Eve ppl. I don't mind them doing another game, but don't connect it to our universe...
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:29:00 -
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EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:30:00 -
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wait, they can come up with a FPS but they cant make Ambulation!?!?!
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:34:54
Originally by: Morphisat
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CCP's Petursson hope that "these communities will meld over time", expecting specific Dust 514 corporations to start with, but eventually social structures that bridge across the two. He quipped of the new game and the relationship between the two titles: "While the fleet does the flying, the industry does the dying."
I don't see this happening at all. The console gamecrowd is very different from the current Eve ppl. I don't mind them doing another game, but don't connect it to our universe...
This!
Imho, I think this is the 1st time CCP made a major mistake in their design vision for EVE Online.
I hoped that eventually we, the EVE Online players, would be able to do something on the planets, now this priviledge is going to consoles?
When other mmo's made their mistake, it was the beginning of the end. ( DAoC ToA, SWG CU-NGE, ... )
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:31:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
100% agree, it's *******s to those who cannot afford a Xbox 360, live subcription AND a sub to this game while also paying their EVE accounts.
Sandbox? someone just stole half the sand if you ask me.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:32:00 -
[75]
I want to be able to help my console characters ground war by using my eve characters apocs to do orbital strikes.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Evander Staker
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:32:00 -
[76]
If done correctly this could be great, obviously the fleets and armies are normally separate but in contact. Id rather full integration rather than a lack luster attempt to keep them from affecting each other.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:34:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
When have you ever been able to control the planets in EVE? Right now they are mostly eye candy waiting for a proper purpose.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:34:00 -
[78]
"players in the PC MMO can "fund mercenaries and give them goals" in the console title."
I for one welcome our new console isk sinks.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:20:52 http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24886
hmm, not sure if I am happy with this ...
interesting twist of events. thx for the link anyways
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:35:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
Very well put. I don't care for consoles, nor for FPS games anymore. It's a shame if our gameplay would be affected in any way by people on a console game .
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
[81]
when they give me the ability to sit in a high level orbit and reign fire from heaven on the console crowd I'll be 100% behind this... fleet opps to defend ground troops and blockade planets etc. would add value to the game and give us back some sand.
Assume console players wouldn't approve of random death strikes from orbit or having to make friends with eve alliances to get their planet blockaded...
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
100% agree, it's *******s to those who cannot afford a Xbox 360, live subcription AND a sub to this game while also paying their EVE accounts.
Sandbox? someone just stole half the sand if you ask me.
Depends on the details doesn't it. We can't do **** with planets now, so we aren't exactly losing anything. If 0.0 sovereignty is tied to what happens in another game, this is so fail I don't have words for it. My guess is, that they combat for the control of empire planets and systems. The standards no death penalty MMO, where combat happens on battlegrounds. But we shall have to wait and see.
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
[83]
They better make it for the PC also and free for EVE subscribers(you have youe EVE username or PW or get a new one specificaly for dust). I'll be damned if we lose control of a planet cause of some ******ed console gamers. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:37:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
When have you ever been able to control the planets in EVE? Right now they are mostly eye candy waiting for a proper purpose.
The possibility that one day we, the EVE players, would be able to do something with the planets, is one of the reasons why I committed long term to EVE Online ( that and WIS ).
Now this vision is shattered, if this goes wrong, I will only have Ryzom left :(
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:38:00 -
[85]
Consoles? That sucks. If the game were playable by both consoles and PCs that would be great. Console only? Total crap. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:41:00 -
[86]
Go ahead and release this on the consoles and tie it to EVE.
But give us a damn PC version as well. Otherwise this is utter crap. And yes, I do own Xbox 360 myself and it is great for specific types of games - that is not the issue - the issue is the constant disregard of PC as a gaming platform, especially for titles that are played best on the PC.
FPS-RTS? I wouldn't want to play EITHER of those game types on a gamepad. If someone wants to, no problem - give them console version - but let me play the damn thing on a PC as well.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:42:00 -
[87]
damn, I was hoping fac war would be the new sov mechanic :(
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:44:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador wait, they can come up with a FPS but they cant make Ambulation!?!?!
This was about a new game, not EVE online! Im sure we will hear more about WiS/Ambulation during fanfest in a few months!
When it comes to this Dust game, I wish CCP all good luck. I wont be playing it myself tho since I manically loathe FPS games, strategic or not.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:44:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador damn, I was hoping fac war would be the new sov mechanic :(
Well this sure as hell better not be the new sov mechnic..
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:46:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador damn, I was hoping fac war would be the new sov mechanic :(
Well this sure as hell better not be the new sov mechnic..
Agreed if it is, I can see their precious player base going bye bye
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:46:00 -
[91]
Hmm, dust on Wii, well guess that will take care of the daily exercise during DT.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:46:00 -
[92]
added two images which are apparently taken from dust 514
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Zt3Fan86
Gallente Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:47:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Elextra
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Elextra 100mil to person who finds trailer before public release...
*searches the interwebz*
bear in mind I'm at work without Eve access, payment will be after 7pm GMT if anyone does find it
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=multimedia_detail&eid=6031092&newsLang=en
pictures for you.. this must give 50mil
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Evander Staker
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:48:00 -
[94]
now that looks cool! Recon WiS is related to this.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:49:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador wait, they can come up with a FPS but they cant make Ambulation!?!?!
This was about a new game, not EVE online! Im sure we will hear more about WiS/Ambulation during fanfest in a few months!
When it comes to this Dust game, I wish CCP all good luck. I wont be playing it myself tho since I manically loathe FPS games, strategic or not.
I know its about a new game. I was just surprised cause it seems to me its easier to make a game where all you do is walk, then a FPS :)
but then again ambulation is just a new free expansion, where dust 514 brings in a lot more iskies...
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:49:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador damn, I was hoping fac war would be the new sov mechanic :(
Well this sure as hell better not be the new sov mechnic..
Double post but frack it.
From GameSultra's article on todays even
Quote:
In fact, when Dust 514 launches, the map of EVE, currently divined only by player structures owned in the PC game, will also take into account infantry successes and failures within the console game. Players in the PC MMO can "fund mercenaries and give them goals" in the console title.
Interesting?
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:49:00 -
[97]
Linkage
Atmospheric flight, battles happening on the ground.. This was 3 years ago, they've been working on dust for 3 years..
I can see 'The Vision(Ö)' at work.
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:49:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Zt3Fan86
Originally by: Elextra
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Elextra 100mil to person who finds trailer before public release...
*searches the interwebz*
bear in mind I'm at work without Eve access, payment will be after 7pm GMT if anyone does find it
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=multimedia_detail&eid=6031092&newsLang=en
pictures for you.. this must give 50mil
They're not great and don't show any gameplay etc. = I'll send you 15 mil when I log in tonight for the effort - but you're robbing me blind ;)
Good effort though.
(let me know in game if you want the ISK to a different character or whatnot)
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:50:00 -
[99]
Uhm so Consoleros should have any impact on eve? I would have loved to see that planetary Interaction in EvE but now you kicked right in my beautiful ass CCP. This is the worst decision you¦ve made ever.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:50:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Tamahra added two images which are apparently taken from dust 514
Do want planets that look like this in eve NAO!!!111
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:50:00 -
[101]
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir EVE is great cause its a sandbox and we can do whatever we like, but if an FPS on another gaming platform is intergrated, we can't control 50% of the game anymore...
When have you ever been able to control the planets in EVE? Right now they are mostly eye candy waiting for a proper purpose.
The possibility that one day we, the EVE players, would be able to do something with the planets, is one of the reasons why I committed long term to EVE Online ( that and WIS ).
Now this vision is shattered, if this goes wrong, I will only have Ryzom left :(
Your dream is coming true then. Or do you disregard Dust 514 players as citizens of the EVE universe?
And why all the hate against consoles and console players? I do not own one my self as I find that kind of gaming boring, but from there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:50:00 -
[102]
Haha... so those of us flying spaceships get to reward the console players for owning ground for us? Nice :)
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Leiture
Amarr Liliis tenaci vimine jungor
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:52:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Leiture on 18/08/2009 10:52:32 So... Will WiS be "the place" where Dust and EVE player can interact ?
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Avalon Champion
The Order of Odin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:53:00 -
[104]
Hopefully CCP will have more info and a full blown demo to show and play at fanfest.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:54:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Tamahra on 18/08/2009 10:56:21 added a breaking blog from some german dude who was there:
its only a rough translation though through babelfish
A player in the Eve universe can assign a Dust team a sector on a planet to take. These orders become then in äthe Dust 514 ô- MMO as Quests to appear, in which the players can participate. The fights in äDust 514 are turned around ôby the support from space fleets to profit to be able. Certain sectors could for example only be attacked, if a fleet äthe Dust ô- soldiers there transported and it against attacks and supplies of the opponents defends. The PC players will be able to support their console soldiers also with weapons and other equipment. Turned around the ground troops for the PC players take new sectors and extend so their sphere of influence in the MMOG. The play of CCPs studio is developed in Shanghai. A first Trailer shows substantial BodenkSmpfe with tanks and gliders, which resemble the American Osprey Helikopern. The play figure sprintet by a very much detailed, dirty side street. Beside it a tank fires large laser salvos on a not visible opponent. The player runs a fire ladder up, ballert an opponent over the heaps and jumps into a landing ship that apparently from the planet evacuates him. In the sky we see combat between two enormous spaceships. When one of it finally explodes, the pressure wave races on the player too and throws his glider from the course. Here the short a player ends. The two first Screenshots in these news originate from at the beginning of the Trailer video. In it a fleet of äEve is ô- to spaceships to see and a camera trip, which shows apparently the inside one of the enormous spaceships. It could be thus that the player is transported also actually by spaceships in the PC äEve ô. Due to the long flying times in äEve ôit is however improbable that this happens in real time.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:55:00 -
[106]
If you can gain sov by ONLY buying another game on another platform then ...
... yeah what then?
I believe that this would be the end of Eve I like and love. As an alliance worked together for years and built up sov, just to lose it now in a flash to some kids playing a FPS capturing planet after planet while you have no possibility to defend these planets within Eve. BAH!!
On the other hand, the idea behind that is absolutely stunning. Think about it!
You have a real UNIVERSE which is affected by many different inputs. One input is the Eve client, another input is the Dust514 client, another input this, another input that. The whole dynamic of the Universe is drastically increased!
I think no one ever dared such an bold step forward. Amazing and brilliant in my opinion - if the two clients would have enough interaction points within the Eve universe and wouldn't just share names and such but "real" things like industry, money etc. If the "Dusters" could join Eve corps and alliances, if the could share chat channels, corp/alliance resources etc. and with just one word - be real part of Eve then it would be such an epic awesomeness...
The ->console only<- would be a major mistake if Eve sov is affected from it.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:59:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 11:02:06
Originally by: Leiture Edited by: Leiture on 18/08/2009 10:52:32 So... Will WiS be "the place" where Dust and EVE player can interact ?
no. i mean not likely. CCP said that:"As for the title of the game, Petursson said that he wouldn't give away why the title was called Dust 514, but that very clever devotees of the existing EVE Online universe might be able to work things out."
we do know however they are clones or something, fighting on the ground, in the mud...
eve players are like demigods by the story, they live in pods and cannot die... they are separated from normal people in stations, and walk high above them and look down on them. thats at least how the back story goes. so it would be hard for these demigods to interact with the common folk. i mean when you blow your ship up for insurance fraud, you kill all the crew aboard it. but you dont care, they are just common people. read the back stories, they explain it rather well as my English sucks...
would be possible for CCP however to come up with something...to make us interact in WIS. i mean we all know back stories get ****d all the time :D
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Iorya Dragon
Soul Assassins Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:00:00 -
[108]
i think CCP went crazy, or smoking to much ****, EVE Online it a unique sandbox game, and they want to break with a hybrid console game in it? WTF is going? What about us that we are playing for years?
Bleah..
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:01:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 18/08/2009 11:02:36 Edited by: Mara Rinn on 18/08/2009 11:01:47 Hrm... how much more interesting will industry become when you can be responsible for making the infantry weapons that decided the battle between your mercenaries on the ground versus your opponent alliance's mercenaries?
Edit: and I'd love to see some sort of crossover between Wii Fit and any FPS. Maybe the faster you run, the faster your character moves?
Edit edit: and at least a console game means that people can be playing Dust while mining...
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:01:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Tamahra Edited by: Tamahra on 18/08/2009 10:56:21 its only a rough translation though through babelfish
Yeah, pretty obvious, even twitters aren't that bad (although some do get close :).
Anyways, back on topic, the concept sounds interesting. Need more concrete info and linky to trailer.
Please CCP.
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:02:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Iorya Dragon i think CCP went crazy, or smoking to much ****, EVE Online it a unique sandbox game, and they want to break with a hybrid console game in it? WTF is going? What about us that we are playing for years?
Bleah..
Same as every other time CCP has "broken the game" quit (can I has ur stuff?) or adapt and realise they've actually thought it through quite well and it wasn't nearly as bad as expected.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:02:00 -
[112]
Without more info this sounds horrible. --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:05:00 -
[113]
"In the sky we see combat between two enormous spaceships. When one of it finally explodes, the pressure wave races on the player too and throws his glider from the course."
EPIC WIN if thats what it sounds like.
I cant wait to play eve with my friends that cant handle the learning curve of... the internetspaceships side of eve.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:05:00 -
[114]
Mmmh, what remains when you kill vampires and zombies? Dust ...
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:06:00 -
[115]
personally i think its amazing
Just imagine paying a group of merc's isk and running asnd dropping them off on a planet/moon, and being able to liase with them while they fight for you! (can they blow poses up!!!!!!)
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:08:00 -
[116]
But could you also drop some strippers in? think about it, huge stalemate fight.. drop some strippers into the fight.
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Evander Staker
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:08:00 -
[117]
Another question is, What if it flops? Will we be left with a half broken game?
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IVeige
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:08:00 -
[118]
Why is it on console ? Is this an official goodbye to landing on planets ? Why is it on CONSOLE ? Now we need to buy a console to take or help with sov ?
Why not make it simply you fly with your ship, land on planet, get out of ship with your gun and start shoting ? Why console s*** <
If i cant start orbiting and bombarding a planet killing them all, this is dust fail.
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:09:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Evander Staker Another question is, What if it flops? Will we be left with a half broken game?
Just be Cribba running around planets, like the Squirrel from Ice Age looking for his veldspar ( acorn )
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Cornaris "In the sky we see combat between two enormous spaceships. When one of it finally explodes, the pressure wave races on the player too and throws his glider from the course."
EPIC WIN if thats what it sounds like.
I cant wait to play eve with my friends that cant handle the learning curve of... the internetspaceships side of eve.
Dang, if that means we get to play air support, well it might actually entice pretty much unknown carebears, like myself, to join the whole PVP side of things.
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:11:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Evander Staker Another question is, What if it flops? Will we be left with a half broken game?
Just be Cribba running around planets, like the Squirrel from Ice Age looking for his veldspar ( acorn )
Why has no one asked this vitally important question - Will there be mining?!
I for one will be boycotting this if I can't put down my guns for a few minutes of veldspar hunting amongst the chaos.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:11:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Evander Staker Another question is, What if it flops? Will we be left with a half broken game?
Just be Cribba running around planets, like the Squirrel from Ice Age looking for his veldspar ( acorn )
Haha, I like that image :).
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:11:00 -
[123]
Edited by: General Newbold on 18/08/2009 11:13:27
Originally by: General Newbold personally i think its amazing
Just imagine paying a group of merc's isk and running asnd dropping them off on a planet/moon, and being able to liase with them while they fight for you! (can they blow poses up!!!!!!)
i have had a bit of a think - and if you can imagine the scale of this it really has the POTENTIAL to be the greatest game ever made, as you could play eve and the go planet side and load dust, the options are just mindblowing
nothing like this has ever been done before so it really is a huge project - and if the speculation is true, imagine the vast scale.........if you thought the eve universe/game was full of endless possibilities its nothing like what it could be if it was linked to a shooter...... how can you not be excited?
(it will take years tho)
(quick edit.........why no pc? i think its becuse eve can run on old pc's - so its to keep eve as "pc friendly as possible - i think anyway)
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:12:00 -
[124]
Originally by: IVeige Why is it on console ? Is this an official goodbye to landing on planets ? Why is it on CONSOLE ? Now we need to buy a console to take or help with sov ?
Why not make it simply you fly with your ship, land on planet, get out of ship with your gun and start shoting ? Why console s*** <
If i cant start orbiting and bombarding a planet killing them all, this is dust fail.
cause you are in a pod...and are a demigod, and do not dwell on such meaningless matters... at least that's how the story goes
still i see no reason for the game not being on a PC as well...
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:15:00 -
[125]
The big question will be, are console gamers interested in this ?
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:18:00 -
[126]
i hope will FAILLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! die console games dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Ayrion Centare
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:18:00 -
[127]
I posted this in a another thread:
Quote: It's a bold move, I give CCP that much.
Without knowing more details it is hard to judge but from what little we have I have a question.
The age and mindset of Eve-Online players and the age and mindset of console FPS players; are they compatible?
I ask this because if Dust influences the Sov mechanics in Eve-Online, that would imply that Eve-Online Alliances would have to include a Dust based component (a land army) in their strategy towards galactic conquest.
Will the two mesh properly?
I think that is the big risk CCP is taking.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:19:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 18/08/2009 11:19:00
Originally by: Morphisat The big question will be, are console gamers interested in this ?
...and how on earth could console weenies and PC gamers ever co-operate on anything? Especially if PC gamers are "the demigods floating up there in the stars, calling the shots while we grunts kill each other down here" :D
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:21:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador damn, I was hoping fac war would be the new sov mechanic :(
Well this sure as hell better not be the new sov mechnic..
Double post but frack it.
From GameSultra's article on todays even
Quote:
In fact, when Dust 514 launches, the map of EVE, currently divined only by player structures owned in the PC game, will also take into account infantry successes and failures within the console game. Players in the PC MMO can "fund mercenaries and give them goals" in the console title.
Interesting?
I still see this as effecting the npc regions of eve like low sec. Hopefully what that means is "in addition to the map being changed by player actions in 0.0 it will also show changes in npc regions for the console players actions."
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:22:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 18/08/2009 11:19:00
Originally by: Morphisat The big question will be, are console gamers interested in this ?
...and how on earth could console weenies and PC gamers ever co-operate on anything? Especially if PC gamers are "the demigods floating up there in the stars, calling the shots while we grunts kill each other down here" :D
According to statements from this thread it seems like console players are some kind of lesser mentally gifted human beings, so I think they will be fine taking orders and shoot each other in the face. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:23:00 -
[131]
There a chance for a PC version too, acording to these news from 4players.de:
4players.de has talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
Linkage
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Juan Valhdez
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:24:00 -
[132]
I foresee the flow of control being very much like the game, Aces High. Thru attrition, with many fights will wars be won. A 'lone gunman' will probably do very little to effect the outcome.
COSMOS anyone? Community building. Inter webs is a non platform specific thing. A 360 can access a community site just as well as a pc.
0.0 sov? Doubt it, those planets are uninhabited iirc (Would make more sense for it to be an empire type thing, im sure 0.0 will be left alone in that regard) |
Arthur Rage
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:26:00 -
[133]
I hate consoles -> Consoles only -> EPIC FAIL.
The only fun thing would be to gank them all day long from space
Blow up troop transports, supply transports, raining hell on em orbital bombardment style, that would be OK with me.
Ther that that, if it is freakin pathetic consoles only then CCP sure deserves my hate, it's like kicking most of the playerbase in the nutz.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:28:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Evander Staker Another question is, What if it flops? Will we be left with a half broken game?
This is my big worry and it applies to both EVE and dust. If the interaction relies too much on the other game, it can possibly ruin both games, when players don't act like the devs have planned. And if the interaction is insignificant, why waste effort on it.
Currently you can do everything in the game by your own actions and effort. You can't just let people be in charge of their own destiny and then later take away that control and make them rely on actions of players of another game. And again this can ruin the experience of dust players just as easily as EVE players.
Screw the mini expansion patch notes, we need a long and detailed devblog about how these games interact with each other.
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Zeus
Amarr Evolution
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:28:00 -
[135]
CCP more than likely wont let us hurt the console crowd. But they will likely be able to hurt us :/
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:29:00 -
[136]
Will Dust514 and EvE-Online will be linked activly per Walking in Stations? So will we be able to talk to and meet Console peoples in EvE-Space-Stations? If this would be possible i would look at it in an other way.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:30:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 18/08/2009 11:30:13
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 18/08/2009 11:19:00
Originally by: Morphisat The big question will be, are console gamers interested in this ?
...and how on earth could console weenies and PC gamers ever co-operate on anything? Especially if PC gamers are "the demigods floating up there in the stars, calling the shots while we grunts kill each other down here" :D
According to statements from this thread it seems like console players are some kind of lesser mentally gifted human beings, so I think they will be fine taking orders and shoot each other in the face.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:30:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Tamahra There a chance for a PC version too, acording to these news from 4players.de:
4players.de has talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
Linkage
Orly? Wis = Dust ability for eve client for an extra charge?
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Therinda Nax
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:32:00 -
[139]
The first thing that strikes me from the image is that they're all bald. Which means they're all recent clone jumps. Maybe you can clone jump around systems fairly easily. Setting up HQ strategy areas, CCP have already said that would be one part of Ambulation, why not Dust.
And the second thing that strikes me, which should have been far more obvious to me, is that they're in space. So for a HQ, which will obviously give you a tactical advantage, you need someone playing Eve to set you up a station orbitting the planet. While I don't think there'll be planetary bombardment, fighting over securing a station in space overlooking a planet could be interesting.
And in the second image it looks like they're building ships in the hangar. What if some new ships are introduced that need to be built on planets. You could survive without them, with just the current ships, but if you want the fancy new ones, you have to support the defence of their construction stations for long enough for the ship to be built.
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Nidus
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:33:00 -
[140]
Quite allot of doom'n'gloom here :/
The way I see it, at the moment us capsuleers don't really care much, or interact, with the planets themselves. In 0.0 we fight for control over the gates, the right to mine and build and operate stations and various other structures. The people that live on the planets are left to themselves and their local governments can keep operating at normal (except for the odd capital wreck that crashes on the planet and wipes out a couple of million people).
This made sense for most of us, it's the moons and asteroids that provides us with the resources we want, excluding the odd exotic dancer now and then. So why bother with the lowly humans living on the planets? Well, I guess some of us have had the idea of owning their own little pet planet, get some nice taxes, the planets natural resources to sell off in other systems and maybe even better trained crew when taking parts in fights that involve that planet (same solar system).
And that's where we run into a problem, our way of interacting with a planet involves planetary precision bombing (destroying a town rather than a continent) or planetary obliteration, both of which leaves us without the infrastructure necessary to profit from the planet, and... well... the people to make use of said infrastructure.
So we spend ISK on some proper mercenaries (not the space flying wussies that keep kidnapping the same "damsel" hour after hour) to subdue the locals and convince them that working for us is in fact preferable over annihilation by laser barrages.
And when one person got something, someone else wants to make sure he doesn't (In other words, I'll have faith in CCP in these matters until we get more information on how the games will interact) ------------------- (::) - This is a cookie with chocolate chips, and it's mine! If you disagree; these are my teeth ';..;'
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Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:37:00 -
[141]
I give CCP ten points for thinking epic. In theory this could be the best.thing.evar(tm) and hey, if this gets us gazillion console guys to feed CCP ISKies to fund further development, that can't be bad for EVE.
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no pants
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:37:00 -
[142]
"As for the title of the game, Petursson said that he wouldn't give away why the title was called Dust 514, but that very clever devotees of the existing EVE Online universe might be able to work things out."
anyone got an idea what dust514 means?
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:37:00 -
[143]
Perhaps CCP is so sadastic denying a PC-Version until Fanfest.
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Saurish
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:40:00 -
[144]
****ing utter crap console brainless players.....
ffs... where is this world going.... ****ing money...
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:40:00 -
[145]
why not give us the trailer?!
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:41:00 -
[146]
Console gamers are an untapped resource. It's really big in asia, where EVE is not so big. My guess is that EVE will continue to be western hemisphere dominated and a lot of eastern hemisphere players will be drawn to the console game. The synergy could boost both games to new heights.
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:41:00 -
[147]
Next step:
Crew your ships with real players?
Nah, serious, i think it sounds like a lot of fun and a nice idea
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:43:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Nareg Maxence Console gamers are an untapped resource. It's really big in asia, where EVE is not so big. My guess is that EVE will continue to be western hemisphere dominated and a lot of eastern hemisphere players will be drawn to the console game. The synergy could boost both games to new heights.
I agree. But only if there is a pc version too.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:43:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html
Edit: first :P
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:44:00 -
[150]
New article Golem.de includes also a video!
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:45:00 -
[151]
Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:46:00 -
[152]
thx, trailer added
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Darion Amador
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:48:00 -
[153]
BATMANSEX!
I just came. Buckets!
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:49:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html
Edit: first :P
Yikes
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Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:50:00 -
[155]
needs moar devblogs
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:50:00 -
[156]
Nice trailer!
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:51:00 -
[157]
**** me ..
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:51:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Bonny Lee Dont know if this was posted but this is a trailer it seems http://video.golem.de/games/2283/dust-514-ego-shooter-im-universum-von-eve-online-gamescom-2009.html
Holeeeee.. This has to get a pc port or I and all my alts will quit eve. seriously......
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:51:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html Edit: first :P
Well what i see on that site isn't very hopeful.
Quote:
Die KSmpfe, die auf den Planeten stattfinden werden, sollen direkte Auswirkungen auf die politische Lage von Eve Online haben. ... Dabei geht es vor allem um die sogenannte Sovereignity, also die Hoheitsrechte der Allianzen nber Sternensysteme und -konstellationen.
Dust 514 will have affect on sovereignity if I read this correctly.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:52:00 -
[160]
CONSOLES ONLY?
Come on CCP, the PC is crying out for a MMOFPS
The only people developing one at the moment are SOE and you know what they're like.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:53:00 -
[161]
I like that trailer, very nice weapon effects.
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:54:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html Edit: first :P
Well what i see on that site isn't very hopeful.
Quote:
Die KSmpfe, die auf den Planeten stattfinden werden, sollen direkte Auswirkungen auf die politische Lage von Eve Online haben. ... Dabei geht es vor allem um die sogenannte Sovereignity, also die Hoheitsrechte der Allianzen nber Sternensysteme und -konstellationen.
Dust 514 will have affect on sovereignity if I read this correctly.
You read it correctly, but that means not much, as it may be just a messed up translation.
I dont think that Sov will be tied to Planet combat, would make no sense, as mentioned before in this Thread, what do we care for Planets? Especially the empty rocks found in 0.0? Maybe it will add posibilities to send mercs into outposts/Poses to take them over? But i dont think Planets will affect sov at all
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:56:00 -
[163]
If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:56:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Darion Amador BATMANSEX!
I just came. Buckets!
I also need to find a shop vac.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:56:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Davina Braben CONSOLES ONLY?
Come on CCP, the PC is crying out for a MMOFPS
The only people developing one at the moment are SOE and you know what they're like.
not necessarily.
4players.de has talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:56:00 -
[166]
Who's flying the Pelican at the beginning of that video? Another Dust player or an EVE player?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:58:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Bonny Lee If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
Indeed, skip to 3:10 and listen and he clearly states that the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov and the only way to get it in your favor is to pay console players to fight for you. Oh dear...
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:58:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
Indeed, skip to 3:10 and listen and he clearly states that the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov and the only way to get it in your favor is to pay console players to fight for you. Oh dear...
Endgame.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:58:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Mara Rinn Who's flying the Pelican at the beginning of that video? Another Dust player or an EVE player?
clearly a dust player...... with the eve client its highly doubtful that you can land on these planets...
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:00:00 -
[170]
its not a bad concept, the lore of eve pod pilots are demi gods, that their clones do work outside the pods on their ships, therefore making us podders pick up guns and star running around shooting people in the face was always problematic, and hence no fighting on stations.
while we always assumed this would be part on the same game, lest these games are linked by us demi gods giving orders to the dust crews to take or defend a planet, while we supposedly support them from the atmospheres of said worlds. me wonders how far along this atmospheric stuff is along, one would assume if this is indeed the way it works and with consoles having a finite life span and console users have the attention span of of about an 8 hour fps clone of halo or something it would be fairly far along in development.
i think hoping that xbox 360 or ps3 will be around say in 2 to 3 years and people still waiting for said game in ccps normal turn around time, these features are probably pretty solid and ready to be deployed in say a year at most.
maybe dust is why ambulation has been so slow to see the light of day, maybe the war rooms in ambulation will incorporate dust, imagine being able to view a whole sector of territory in the war room and assign missions to dust players on the console realm to bolster power and whatnot.
and how about this, maybe there will be a pc side for the dust expansion if they gave pod pilots mechs to use on planetary battles, it is conceivable that you could use a pod, have an escape or remote piloting ability, special drop ships could deliver the mechs to the hot spots to support the dust tactics, bit far fetched, but maybe the twinkle in the eye nudge nudge wink wink stuff is them keeping something along those lines under the hat til they can tease it and take 3 years more to incorporate it dust rising eve online expansion soon TM.
either way i hard see how this is all gloom or utter fail or ruining your eve online, hows come anything that does not directly involve blobling, start to ruin your eve onine? its just another layer of complexity to the game, that makes some good sense in the long run, assuming console players buy the game subscribe the game and it is worth playing and exciting.
course i worry how long console players would stick with it, how many of them would be willing to pay for a mmo subscription, mmos have struggled mightly on consoles generally speaking, and most never see the light of day due to that fact. and if you people will actually use it since you seem to have so much scorn for it.
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:02:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
Indeed, skip to 3:10 and listen and he clearly states that the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov and the only way to get it in your favor is to pay console players to fight for you. Oh dear...
Right you are, my bad then.
Hmm sounds not necessary like a perfect idea....
but well i guess we have to wait for the winter expansion, and see hwo sov will be reworked after all, maybe the whole Dust idea makes it really nice
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:02:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Bonny Lee on 18/08/2009 12:03:05 I would love to be able to fly to a planet and join a battle with my battleship. First fly to the battle "dock" on the planet. Change the game step in the docked Battleship and kaaabaawuuum!
If my the dusty-consoleros kill my bs it will be gone in both games.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:04:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter clearly a dust player...... with the eve client its highly doubtful that you can land on these planets...
What about the strategic cruiser firing missiles in the sky above the stairs - you see it at about 0:25 and again at 1:00. I haven't seen enough strategic cruisers obviously, but I'm wishing it could be a caldari T3 configured for planetary fire support...
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:04:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
Indeed, skip to 3:10 and listen and he clearly states that the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov and the only way to get it in your favor is to pay console players to fight for you. Oh dear...
Ha ha, superb.
I knew any sovereignty changes would make the 0.0 crowd whine, but this will provide a great deal more than expected.
Btw. I think it is going to be awesome, and Hilmar also notes that fleet battles, POS and whatever else is also going to have an effect on sovereignty. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:04:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Nito Musashi
maybe dust is why ambulation has been so slow to see the light of day, maybe the war rooms in ambulation will incorporate dust, imagine being able to view a whole sector of territory in the war room and assign missions to dust players on the console realm to bolster power and whatnot.
the video would indicate that this will in fact be the case.
LOL nice, this would really revolutzionize the whole mmo genre to never seen before levels
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:05:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Bonny Lee If Hilmar isnt lying in that trailer it will have impact.
Indeed, skip to 3:10 and listen and he clearly states that the console players will directly effect 0.0 sov and the only way to get it in your favor is to pay console players to fight for you. Oh dear...
Ha ha, superb.
I knew any sovereignty changes would make the 0.0 crowd whine, but this will provide a great deal more than expected.
Btw. I think it is going to be awesome, and Hilmar also notes that fleet battles, POS and whatever else is also going to have an effect on sovereignty.
what they said is that the ground combats will ALSO have an effect on 0.0 souvereignity. to which degree it will affect 0.0 souvereignity is not yet known i would say....
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:06:00 -
[177]
My draw just dropped watching that trailer. I want now. No idea how that works on console to pc. But hell if ccp can do it. it will be a HUGE gaming first. But i need to clone myself man. how can i play eve online and Dust at the same time. Looks gorgeous Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Aero089
Exiled.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:06:00 -
[178]
So now we have fleet AND ground control co÷rdination...
It's just a matter of time before CCP starts handing out wages to those co÷rdinating inter-allaince operations in order to keep the game interesting (and letting alliance leaders keep their house and kids). ---
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:07:00 -
[179]
mh they battle on Intaki V, gallente sov 0.1 sec system...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:07:00 -
[180]
Originally by: LordSwift But i need to clone myself man. how can i play eve online and Dust at the same time. Looks gorgeous
You're coming at it from the wrong direction. Dust 514 is what miners will be playing on the console while waiting for the strip miners to cycle.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:08:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html Edit: first :P
Well what i see on that site isn't very hopeful. ...
What do you mean with not very hopeful? It's very cool imo. Especially that ship battle at the end of the video!
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:09:00 -
[182]
So Dust514 will impact sovereignty, and seems not in some small way either, said by Hilmar at the Trailer in the OP.
We won't be able to play it on PC.
I think CCP pulled an NGE.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:09:00 -
[183]
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:10:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Denuo Secus
Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Denuo Secus Edited by: Denuo Secus on 18/08/2009 11:44:33 Trailer: http://www.golem.de/0908/69136.html Edit: first :P
Well what i see on that site isn't very hopeful. ...
What do you mean with not very hopeful? It's very cool imo. Especially that ship battle at the end of the video!
A console game having an impact on a totally different PC game doesn't sound very good to me. That's what I meant by 'not hopeful'.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:11:00 -
[185]
Originally by: CyberGh0st So Dust514 will impact sovereignty, and seems not in some small way either, said by Hilmar at the Trailer in the OP.
We won't be able to play it on PC.
I think CCP pulled an NGE.
How exactly is Dust 514 going to influence my tech 3 production and level 4 mission running given the current information? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:11:00 -
[186]
stopped reading the article after:
console only game ...
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:12:00 -
[187]
Possible dust footage at 0:50 in the quantum rise trailer?
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:13:00 -
[188]
Fleet does the flying, infantry does the dying
great one ... but why isnt this developed for pc-user either ?
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:13:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Heroldyn stopped reading the article after:
console only game ...
again: this is not sure yet. see in the original post
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:14:00 -
[190]
Would it be an understatement to say that "walking in stations" would be a non-news announcement now? :)
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/08/2009 12:16:25
Originally by: Lijhal Fleet does the flying, infantry does the dying
great one ... but why isnt this developed for pc-user either ?
upon being asked by a german mag as to why there would be no PC version Hilmar only smiled and said that he could only reveal that there currently is a console version.
i.e. it may well come to PC in some form, it's just that this way it would make more of a splash. (I can see WiS tying into this quite easily actually)
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Possible dust footage at 0:50 in the quantum rise trailer?
Nicely spotted. Anyone got any ideas about what Dust 514 means?
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Curso on 18/08/2009 12:17:03 Bridge
Give me that bridge, and u can do whatever the fak u want to the sov mechanics.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee i.e. it may well come to PC, it's just that this way it would make more of a splash.
Well if mobs of irritated eve players are the kind of splash he wanted then it was a real soaker.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:18:00 -
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me also wonders if them small arms commodities that have cluttered my hangers for years and had little value will suddenly become valuable. ;) gots to supply the grunts on the ground after all.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:18:00 -
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i am citing the golem article that clearly sais there will not be a pc version. what they mean by soldiers does dying, fleet does flying is that the dust console soldiers will impact sovereignity of eve pc players.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:19:00 -
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Would be nice to know which consoles and what the impact on eve will exactly be.
I hope it will not be possible for people in Dust to take over control of a system just by fighting on the planets, while the ones doing the flying and building the posses, spending multi-billion ISK's have no chance of holding the system.
You can hire people to do ground fights for you and give them weapons... I hope this will be buying weapons, otherwise it is just a major ISK sink.
What will CCP do when the 0.0 alliances decide not to make use of the merc's? What will the Dust players do then?
I think they should restrict this to faction warfare and leave 0.0 sov as it is now (change the sov system but without interaction with dust) since it is a completely different system. Faction warfare with ground war would be cool I think.
Let's wait and see what CCP is going to bring...
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:19:00 -
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ccp has just released their official press article:
Linkage
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:19:00 -
[199]
What about that planet! Gimme graphics!
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:20:00 -
[200]
Quote: So while one fleet does the flying , the troops do the dying.
Lol.. good old Starship Troopers. ---------------------------
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blasphemour Would be nice to know which consoles and what the impact on eve will exactly be.
they said they will release more info about it on the eve fan fest
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:21:00 -
[202]
I'm calling it now:
The Sovereignty Revamp coming this winter expansion will be Limited Planetary Interaction. This will pave the way for Dust514, and allow Alliances to cement their hold on their planets before all hell breaks loose. -----
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:21:00 -
[203]
The trailer makes me thing of Old Men's War O.o.
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Gebher'el
Amarr The King's Sword
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:23:00 -
[204]
HOLY CRAP!!!
I expected a new MMO but one seperate from EVE. If anyone doubts the dedication of CCP to the EVE universe now they are nuts.
This is actually an amazing idea and a serious FIRST in the industry. Or is it? Back many moons ago there was a space sim called Rules of Engagement. This sim was tied into a ground combat game produced by the same company so you could fight for stations or as boarding parties. The idea was AMAZING...
CCP has taken this basic idea to a new level and bring a whole new demographic to the EVE universe. While I think we will see a lot of players go with both games I think the majority will go one side or another. You will see alliances formed that will not be just EVE Corporations, but Dust units as well that are under the hire of the EVE Corps.
I mean thinmk what this could do it added to faction wars. Imagine players of Dust that work for the 24th and Matar players on the other side battle for control of a planet while the ships above control for the space. Tying this two together will create a single game universe bigger and more in depth than ANYTHING ever seen.
Bravo CCP for once again bucking the trends and going where no one has gone before, Star Trek has NOTHING on you guys..
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dojocan81
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:24:00 -
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in the first picture you can see a caldari mothership ... does that means ms' will be able to transport troops from planet to another planet ?
iam going to watch starship troopers again!
good one
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Agonizer42 on 18/08/2009 12:24:40
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai I'm calling it now:
The Sovereignty Revamp coming this winter expansion will be Limited Planetary Interaction. This will pave the way for Dust514, and allow Alliances to cement their hold on their planets before all hell breaks loose.
LOL
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:25:00 -
[207]
Was hoping to see some sort of ship i'd recognise over orbit in the trailer.. ---------------------------
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:27:00 -
[208]
Originally by: dojocan81 in the first picture you can see a caldari mothership ... does that means ms' will be able to transport troops from planet to another planet ?
yes they have said so, that eve players can transport troops from planet to planet. although the player with the eve client flying the mothership cant play on the planet itself, since the dust 514 engine is a whole other department.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 12:36:33 Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 12:28:54 actually Oveur showed us this a long time ago. Hilmar wasnt to happy about it but still:
fanfest video the dust 514 part we are talking about is at 1.04.45
it was shown at the last fanfest, at the oveurs presentation about the future of eve :)
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:29:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: dojocan81 in the first picture you can see a caldari mothership ... does that means ms' will be able to transport troops from planet to another planet ?
yes they have said so, that eve players can transport troops from planet to planet. although the player with the eve client flying the mothership cant play on the planet itself, since the dust 514 engine is a whole other department.
Can you then also dump em out of the airlock ? That would be amusing .
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:30:00 -
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oh and btw ...
1) found the logo
2) CCP secures trademark DUST 514 for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 source
hahaha
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:30:00 -
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well i sure want planetary bombardment hehe So wait this is the end of my post allready?
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:30:00 -
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Maybe they don't want all their PC players (ie their current subscriber base) running off to play Dust 514 when it comes out?
I think it's terrible to allow something as important as sovreignty to be determined by a differnet game platform that you, as a PC player, don't have access to.
That said... imagine their console tears when their troop transport lands in a gate camp. Can we scoop their ****ty console corpses and keep them? Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: dojocan81 in the first picture you can see a caldari mothership ... does that means ms' will be able to transport troops from planet to another planet ?
yes they have said so, that eve players can transport troops from planet to planet. although the player with the eve client flying the mothership cant play on the planet itself, since the dust 514 engine is a whole other department.
Can you then also dump em out of the airlock ? That would be amusing .
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Guy Fitzgerald on 18/08/2009 12:35:19
Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Maybe they don't want all their PC players (ie their current subscriber base) running off to play Dust 514 when it comes out?
I think it's terrible to allow something as important as sovreignty to be determined by a differnet game platform that you, as a PC player, don't have access to.
That said... imagine their console tears when their troop transport lands in a gate camp. Can we scoop their ****ty console corpses and keep them?
i cant really imagine we as Capsuleer Pilots would be able to transport Infantry directly, you see, nobody could stop me from logging of, deciding to switch for a mining Barge and start mining for 2-3 Hours or otherwise Spoil them the fun...
*still* it would be fun to kick the Mercs, if they fail you to often, into a GSC and forget the password
way to much risk in that i think
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lijhal oh and btw ...
2) CCP secures trademark DUST 514 for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 source
hahaha
nice but where does that source say that the trademark is for pc, xbox360 and ps3?
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Hadriana
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 12:28:54 actually Oveur showed us this a long time ago. Hilmar wasnt to happy about it but still:
fanfest video the dust 514 part we are talking about is at 1.04.45
it was shown at the last fanfest, at the oveurs presentation about the future of eve :)
I assume you were trying to link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbxQqIskSE
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:34:00 -
[218]
google it
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:35:00 -
[219]
Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 12:36:01
Originally by: Hadriana
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 18/08/2009 12:28:54 actually Oveur showed us this a long time ago. Hilmar wasnt to happy about it but still:
fanfest video the dust 514 part we are talking about is at 1.04.45
it was shown at the last fanfest, at the oveurs presentation about the future of eve :)
I assume you were trying to link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbxQqIskSE
yeah im a newb :)
its finished already?
from the CCP press release:ôHaving led the design and development efforts of the project from start to finish, our studio is honored to call DUST 514 our first title release.ö
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:35:00 -
[220]
But it could be possible that you can produce "respawns" for your dust team. Your people can spawn as long as you bring in "npc-soldiers" to fight. Perhaps the EvE-Players have to bring in tanks & aircrafts for the invasion too?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:35:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Morphisat Can you then also dump em out of the airlock ? That would be amusing .
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:36:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador its finished already?
from the CCP press release:ôHaving led the design and development efforts of the project from start to finish, our studio is honored to call DUST 514 our first title release.ö
?!
Yup, basically with as much information that they have given us, the console version is just about ready. They could be adding little stuff to add on a later date and to a PC version, who knows? ________________________________________________
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:38:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador its finished already?
from the CCP press release:ôHaving led the design and development efforts of the project from start to finish, our studio is honored to call DUST 514 our first title release.ö
?!
Yup, basically with as much information that they have given us, the console version is just about ready. They could be adding little stuff to add on a later date and to a PC version, who knows?
well if it will be part of the Sov mechanics and if the sov rework will hit us within the next Months, seems quite likely everything is ready to go
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:38:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Bonny Lee But it could be possible that you can produce "respawns" for your dust team. Your people can spawn as long as you bring in "npc-soldiers" to fight. Perhaps the EvE-Players have to bring in tanks & aircrafts for the invasion too?
they said its not only a fps, but a rts game as well. so what you said could be very well possible
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:38:00 -
[225]
it looks very cool. I just hope the interaction between the two games is a fun addition to the game rather than a nuisance. The two games will attract very different audiences. Director of Education :: EVE University
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:39:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Guy Fitzgerald i cant really imagine we as Capsuleer Pilots would be able to transport Infantry directly, you see, nobody could stop me from logging of, deciding to switch for a mining Barge and start mining for 2-3 Hours or otherwise Spoil them the fun...
My guess is that you'd be transporting soldiers and equipment for a merc corp/alliance, and people belonging to that corp would log on and 'inhabit' one of those soldiers already present on the planet/orbit. Thus while you still need logistics, it will still allow for instant action for the Dust player.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:39:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador its finished already?
from the CCP press release:ôHaving led the design and development efforts of the project from start to finish, our studio is honored to call DUST 514 our first title release.ö
?!
Yup, basically with as much information that they have given us, the console version is just about ready. They could be adding little stuff to add on a later date and to a PC version, who knows?
Didn't they said its been in development for 3 years? So we could see it out this year maybe. ---------------------------
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Thrymren
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:39:00 -
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wow... i'm stunned... in several ways.
Ok lets see... We'll have a very neat looking shooter comin in, BUT it's only for console gamers for now... so sucks to be none -_-
isten CCP... I won't give flyin' fiska about this game if you want me to buy a console for that... i won't. aaanyways! seeing screenshots of people on a space station/ship/whatever in planet orbit does trigger the well trained hypothesis part of my brain.
Console gamers and podpilots can interact in the most simple kind of way: contracts i.e. quests for the footsoliders. Those footsoldiers will have an impact on the sovereignety... oh my oh my. i smell loads of scam and bribery up front.
BUT as there are scrrens of some guys hanging in high orbit of sum planet i suspect that the all famous walking in stations will connect both of these games really tightly... just imagine! you fly around with your badass spaceships, dock at some station, walk into some bar, meet up with some soldiers and give them money and guns for a groundassault.
They take that offer, you fly them to the planet and drop 'em off... and the fun starts... for them.
more awesome: land your ship, be transported with 'em to that planet and command their movements, send supplydrops or even join the battle first person!
damnd me... i'd quit reallife for that ^^
ok but thats just my speculative little brain-thingy... but this stunt might be only the first of many stunts ccp might pull to make new eden a place for everyone: mmo players, pilots, first person shooting soldiers, traders... /me like :)
whats next? Sims3-style simulation of npcs life in stations? xD
well my conclusio: I wanna play dust... but i won't, not under any circumstances, do that if it requires a console.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:40:00 -
[229]
way people like to meta game and multi box in eve o maybe its best to keep it a entirely seperate game with its own fee and purchase price and on another system. if goons had instant access to it, they would be signing up alts to shoot their own teamates in the face. hell they proably all running out buying xbox 360s and routers to hook them up and their pcs so they can do that anyway.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:42:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Thrymren
more awesome: land your ship, be transported with 'em to that planet and command their movements, send supplydrops or even join the battle first person!
Well it did show two ships planetside duking it out, so maybe we'll finally see planetside interwebz spaceshipz pew pew. ---------------------------
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:42:00 -
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the major problem with fps in mmos is with cheating and hacks. maybe thats why they are only releasing it for consoles, since there cheating and hacks are almost not possible if not possible at all.
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Drakoulia
Caldari The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:43:00 -
[232]
Whaaaaaaa-?
Let's hope they don't mess up. If they do this correctly it could make Eve something new, great and amazing. I want WiS to kinda be linked to this, and this to WiS.
PS: Can't wait to watch carriers rain down onto the battlefield. ---
Originally by: The Mittani Don't touch that! Don't open the refrigerator! The spy is in the refrigerator!
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Tycho VI
Gallente MiliTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:45:00 -
[233]
This is pretty damn cool. I sure hope that what happens in the eve universe also affects what happens in the dust 514 game.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:45:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Drakoulia WI want WiS to kinda be linked to this, and this to WiS.
from the two images available it exactly looks like the two games will be linked via WiS
/DROOOOL
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Tycho VI
Gallente MiliTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:46:00 -
[235]
oh and whoever gets that vid on youtube first will make a lot of views!
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:47:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Nito Musashi way people like to meta game and multi box in eve o maybe its best to keep it a entirely seperate game with its own fee and purchase price and on another system. if goons had instant access to it, they would be signing up alts to shoot their own teamates in the face. hell they proably all running out buying xbox 360s and routers to hook them up and their pcs so they can do that anyway.
And then immediately get kicked out. Why, you think Dust-side corporations will be any different from EvE?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:52:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Lijhal oh and btw ...
1) found the logo
2) CCP secures trademark DUST 514 for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 source
hahaha
Ah well that's kind of encouraging.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:53:00 -
[238]
I remember when ccp we talking about Cosmos at last fanfest. they basically said that they wanted to own our lives. Well with this they will win that challenge. Damn man i will be playing both games side by side. I will have no life. Please ccp just invent a pod that we can live in and play both games. Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:53:00 -
[239]
Hrm, I just realised that this is basically going to be planetside styled gameplay with eve related stuff as the background story.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:53:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lijhal oh and btw ...
1) found the logo
2) CCP secures trademark DUST 514 for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 source
hahaha
Ah well that's kind of encouraging.
where does this source say that the trademark is being secured for pc, xbox and ps3
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 18/08/2009 12:56:47 Oooh.
Just had a thought (Although someone else probably has already and I just missed it).
If the console version is done (as vaguely suggested) then possibly a christmas release. maybe?
If that is so then that means the next major content patch (due in the northern hemisphere's winter, Novemberish, not the mini content patch 1.5 due in a day or so) will possibly contain the bits that integrate EVE with DUST514. It would also explain why they are putting effort into getting the COSMOS social networking thingy ready for the november content patch.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:56:00 -
[242]
there is no way to know how well that works out, a) it seems you will be transporting a finite number of troops to a given battlefield. b) consoles cannot handle a ton of players on screen, most console games are severely limited to at most something like 16 players, pc can handle many more if a game permits it ARMA can handle something like 64 players total.
so assuming a finite limited amount of players on any one skirmish area for dust it would not take many to ruin a match by either shooting their teamamtes in the back, face, or just goofing off in the corner somewhere doing nothing.
and if you can boot them then your a man or few down to begin with. and i assume you could create another xbl or psn id and start all over.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:57:00 -
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Tea McBag
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:58:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Elextra
Originally by: Iorya Dragon i think CCP went crazy, or smoking to much ****, EVE Online it a unique sandbox game, and they want to break with a hybrid console game in it? WTF is going? What about us that we are playing for years?
Bleah..
Same as every other time CCP has "broken the game" quit (can I has ur stuff?) or adapt and realise they've actually thought it through quite well and it wasn't nearly as bad as expected.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:58:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Kolatha
If the console version is done (as vaguely suggested) then possibly a christmas release. maybe?
If that is so then that means the next major content patch (due in the northern hemisphere's winter, Novemberish, not the mini content patch 1.5 due in a day or so) will possibly contain the bits that integrate EVE with DUST514. It would also explain why they are putting effort into getting the COSMOS social networking thingy ready for the november content patch.
hmm but they have said earlier that we wont be able to walk in the winter expansion. /shrug
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:01:00 -
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I just hope that they either keep it very loosely associated with each other or have such hard integration, that they are basically playing Eve.
Alliances buying, selling and manufacturing weapons (Put those other moon minerals to good use), vehicles and landing craft.
Have Dust 514 Players able to command groups of drones from a command center, drop off supplys and give orders around from a command point. Soldiers duking it out using weaponry and tanks and jeeps. Pilots (Fighters, dropships) dropping off troops, supplys, attacking any ships in orbit or targets of interests.
See a lot more enviroments then just a battered city (since not every planet is an earth-like planet). But nothing like Quake indoors kind of maps. A more of a connected and sprawling deal, with multiple command posts, landing pads, destructable buildings. Be able to make new paths and break old ones down. Have one of the maps contain some Eve ships that we can run inside (used as a command center) and take over.
Allow Eve players to fly to the surface, giving bonuses to troops on the ground, shooting down transports or fighters. Fighting other people.
I'm going off on a tangent on what would make Dust 514 awesome for me, so do ignore. ________________________________________________
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:03:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Kolatha
If the console version is done (as vaguely suggested) then possibly a christmas release. maybe?
If that is so then that means the next major content patch (due in the northern hemisphere's winter, Novemberish, not the mini content patch 1.5 due in a day or so) will possibly contain the bits that integrate EVE with DUST514. It would also explain why they are putting effort into getting the COSMOS social networking thingy ready for the november content patch.
hmm but they have said earlier that we wont be able to walk in the winter expansion. /shrug
Don't need walking to set up mercenary contracts and arrange their "quests".
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:03:00 -
[248]
I really hate CCP having me look at buying a console now. (Not going to wait for that PC version, noooo way.)
Gee thanks!
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:07:00 -
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Was a pretty awesome presentation. Those Girls and Boys delivered.
The fundamental key of power in this move for anyone who has missed it is:
Merging and expanding the separate communities of MMO and FPS Console.
This is the key to both understanding the strategy, and power of what CCP has done.
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Sun Ra
The Water Margin
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No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:11:00 -
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And with anyone who hates the fact that this might only be a console only game and you Wont buy a console. one i am surprised most of you dont play both. But you can say the same about WIS and Dust. If you dont like it you DONT have to play it. Just keep playing your pew pew in spaceships. Each to their own Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:11:00 -
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the tank in this image looks a bit like the tanks from command&conquer
Linkage
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
but also less cheating and hacking
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift And with anyone who hates the fact that this might only be a console only game and you Wont buy a console. one i am surprised most of you dont play both. But you can say the same about WIS and Dust. If you dont like it you DONT have to play it. Just keep playing your pew pew in spaceships. Each to their own
But I do want to play it; I just dont want to pay ú250+ for the opportunity.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:13:00 -
[255]
Originally by: LordSwift And with anyone who hates the fact that this might only be a console only game and you Wont buy a console. one i am surprised most of you dont play both. But you can say the same about WIS and Dust. If you dont like it you DONT have to play it. Just keep playing your pew pew in spaceships. Each to their own
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:13:00 -
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biggest question is can i influence the ground war with mah tachyon laz0rz ? pewpewpewpew
ion cannon online
bzzzzzzzzzzztttt *shoooooosh*
(i have to adhd it up for the console croud)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: fuze I really hate CCP having me look at buying a console now. (Not going to wait for that PC version, noooo way.)
Gee thanks!
Yeah I checked out console prices.
So.... that's a NO. Sorry, CCP, it's an awesome concept and a really bold move, but it's just way too expensive for me to buy a Console just for Dust. Call me when the PC port is released.
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Kempeth
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: something somethingdark biggest question is can i influence the ground war with mah tachyon laz0rz ? pewpewpewpew
ion cannon online
bzzzzzzzzzzztttt *shoooooosh*
(i have to adhd it up for the console croud)
Yeah that's really likely isn't it? I mean, seriously:
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:15:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: something somethingdark biggest question is can i influence the ground war with mah tachyon laz0rz ? pewpewpewpew
ion cannon online
bzzzzzzzzzzztttt *shoooooosh*
(i have to adhd it up for the console croud)
Yeah that's really likely isn't it? I mean, seriously:
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:15:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Kempeth
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
Also: making a console-only addon to a pc-only game is EPIC fail...
i say it again: there will be less or no cheating and hacking at all if its only on consoles. FPS + MMO = Cheatfest (normally)
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: something somethingdark biggest question is can i influence the ground war with mah tachyon laz0rz ? pewpewpewpew
ion cannon online
bzzzzzzzzzzztttt *shoooooosh*
(i have to adhd it up for the console croud)
Bit unfair really for the poor ground team. but hilarious as hell if you are a crap shot. I hope that 1. you can join EVE online corporations as normal or perhaps change corporation feature to have a sub division for this. 2. We can chat to the players in dust in our corp Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/08/2009 13:20:40
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
but also less cheating and hacking
I actually do very well with fps on consoles. practice makes you very good over time, you will be surprised how fast you can adapt. also aiming in fps does not come from mouse movement mostly. hint: strafe aiming. pro FPS players know what this means.
beside that I will buy it for my PS3 :)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ritter Roland hmm but they have said earlier that we wont be able to walk in the winter expansion. /shrug
Hmmm… now that you mention it, it kind of all makes sense. They said they wanted to put in background-characters in WiS to inhabit the lower (non-pod pilot) tiers of the stations. It's obvious they just couldn't be arsed with creating good NPCs for that so they just added a reason to put a bunch of lowly console players in there to provide some background noise for us VIPs. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 18/08/2009 13:22:28
Originally by: LordSwift I hope that 1. you can join EVE online corporations as normal or perhaps change corporation feature to have a sub division for this. 2. We can chat to the players in dust in our corp
Possibly the real reason for cosmos 2.0? And being able to add console players to your alliance would make perfect sense to keep them loyal and fighting for you instead of only being able to effectively bribe them to fight for you with merc contracts. However there is nothing stopping an alliance from having a select few of its own members also play the console game and then they can be the core of the console side to make sure the mindless hords fight for the right side. Lots of possibilities with that.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kempeth
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
Also: making a console-only addon to a pc-only game is EPIC fail...
Oh please. Go look at the numbers for console software sales and compare it to PC sales sometime, and you'll see why the entire industry's focused more on consoles than the PC. The money's over there, and if CCP can get a chunk of that while providing a clever way to tie it into the MMO-side then more power to them.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kempeth
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
Also: making a console-only addon to a pc-only game is EPIC fail...
Why is it epic fail? Lets see, more money for eve. More players who play dust will most likely try eve online. More players for the main game. CCP will have something HUGE over WoW. Will be the only games company in the world to do this. Also you dont have to play it. Stick to your spacehships Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
Which is why Halo and various other console FPS's are such EPIC commercial failures. This game is just not for you.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Daedalus II on 18/08/2009 13:25:21
Originally by: LordSwift
Bit unfair really for the poor ground team. but hilarious as hell if you are a crap shot. I hope that 1. you can join EVE online corporations as normal or perhaps change corporation feature to have a sub division for this. 2. We can chat to the players in dust in our corp
What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end? of course the other force would do anything to keep it from shooting their soldiers. At the same time as the battle for the planet raged on the surface, a similar battle would go on in orbit as no one wants the other side to get space superiority. The first side with space superiority would essentially win, but without troops on the ground they wouldn't "own" the planet anyway.
Anyway that probably won't happen because I very much doubt there will be a real time sync between the games.
Another thing I came to think of; what happens in a few years when Dust is old and new consoles come out? How will that affect EVE?
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TamiyaCowboy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:24:00 -
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NO CCP.
three years in the making, thats three years you could have used those peoples too fix other parts of new eden. so what about ambulatuion eh ?, also what about new npc AI eh, what about all those things you said would get fixed eh, what happened.
stuff DUST 514, three years and you could have used those people too fix the bigger problems in eve.
well done you just killed a good game all for the good of GREED and MONEYS, shame on you !!!
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Oh please. Go look at the numbers for console software sales and compare it to PC sales sometime, and you'll see why the entire industry's focused more on consoles than the PC. The money's over there, and if CCP can get a chunk of that while providing a clever way to tie it into the MMO-side then more power to them.
which in return means moar contentz and expansionz for eve
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/08/2009 13:26:12
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Kempeth
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
Also: making a console-only addon to a pc-only game is EPIC fail...
Why is it epic fail? Lets see, more money for eve. More players who play dust will most likely try eve online. More players for the main game. CCP will have something HUGE over WoW. Will be the only games company in the world to do this. Also you dont have to play it. Stick to your spacehships
I agree, the concept is really good if it works and is something completely new! thus it will propably attract many newcomers!
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/08/2009 13:26:12
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Kempeth
Originally by: Sun Ra No PC version? playing fps's with a koypad is fail
^^ this
Also: making a console-only addon to a pc-only game is EPIC fail...
Why is it epic fail? Lets see, more money for eve. More players who play dust will most likely try eve online. More players for the main game. CCP will have something HUGE over WoW. Will be the only games company in the world to do this. Also you dont have to play it. Stick to your spacehships
I agree, the concept is really good if it works and is something completely new! thus it will propably attract many newcomers!
quoted for the truth
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No Homo
Gallente Big Heart Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:27:00 -
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taking bets for actual release date.
I'm in for November 11, 2017
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II Another thing I came to think of; what happens in a few years when Dust is old and new consoles come out? How will that affect EVE?
I don't think sony is making any more game consoles and the 360 is good for years to come plus the next version of the 360 will be a hardware upgrade so by all accounts it should be easily ported. So it would make sense to also have a pc client to guarentee you can keep your console character data and still use it if you lose your console.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: TamiyaCowboy NO CCP.
three years in the making, thats three years you could have used those peoples too fix other parts of new eden. so what about ambulatuion eh ?, also what about new npc AI eh, what about all those things you said would get fixed eh, what happened.
stuff DUST 514, three years and you could have used those people too fix the bigger problems in eve.
well done you just killed a good game all for the good of GREED and MONEYS, shame on you !!!
Game development DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 18/08/2009 13:32:52
Originally by: Daedalus II Edited by: Daedalus II on 18/08/2009 13:25:21
Originally by: LordSwift
Bit unfair really for the poor ground team. but hilarious as hell if you are a crap shot. I hope that 1. you can join EVE online corporations as normal or perhaps change corporation feature to have a sub division for this. 2. We can chat to the players in dust in our corp
What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end? of course the other force would do anything to keep it from shooting their soldiers. At the same time as the battle for the planet raged on the surface, a similar battle would go on in orbit as no one wants the other side to get space superiority. The first side with space superiority would essentially win, but without troops on the ground they wouldn't "own" the planet anyway.
Anyway that probably won't happen because I very much doubt there will be a real time sync between the games.
Another thing I came to think of; what happens in a few years when Dust is old and new consoles come out? How will that affect EVE?
POS's have some major shielding, why wouldn't there be planetary shields, or at least shields that protect important planetary infrasturcture.
Would be an obvious mission goal. Infiltrate location x, disable planetary shield generator and leg it so orbital bombardment can take out vital target.
But yeah, doubtful ther will be real time sync, but we can hope.
Oh, and jusdging by this screen grab there will be integration between eve corps and alliances and Dust corps and alliances
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Daedalus II Another thing I came to think of; what happens in a few years when Dust is old and new consoles come out? How will that affect EVE?
I don't think sony is making any more game consoles and the 360 is good for years to come plus the next version of the 360 will be a hardware upgrade so by all accounts it should be easily ported. So it would make sense to also have a pc client to guarentee you can keep your console character data and still use it if you lose your console.
alot of ps2 games are also compatible to ps3....
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end?
The fact that a sniper Apoc with Tachyon IIs in Low-Earth Orbit has roughly a 50% chance of hitting a running human-sized target?
(Yes, I ran the numbers… ) ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Still going with my "console addition to the EVE universe" theory.
Aka, console controlled EVE in the same persistent universe
hehe nice :=)
if only some more people had joined in on the betting, you could have quite won alot of iskies :D
i would have never thought that the theory of "console addition to the eve universe" would hold true
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Agonizer42 alot of ps2 games are also compatible to ps3....
Weeeeell… no. It's rather the opposite: some PS3s are compatible with PS2 games. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:35:00 -
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Elextra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daedalus II What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end?
The fact that a sniper Apoc with Tachyon IIs in Low-Earth Orbit has roughly a 50% chance of hitting a running human-sized target?
(Yes, I ran the numbersà )
You also assumed an Apoc could survive Low-Earth Orbit - Spaceships designed and constructed in space are unlikely to achieve a low orbit, re run the numbers allowing for a high orbit pls
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: KaarBaak on 18/08/2009 13:35:32 2 separate but linked persistent-world games? Dynamically connected via a social networking site? This has the potential for epic win.
One of the first real steps forward in gaming in over a decade (provided they deliver the goods.)
KB KB
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:36:00 -
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Cool we get to hire the dirt humpers.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daedalus II What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end?
The fact that a sniper Apoc with Tachyon IIs in Low-Earth Orbit has roughly a 50% chance of hitting a running human-sized target?
(Yes, I ran the numbersà )
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
2 separate but linked persistent-world games? Dynamically connected via a social networking site? This has the potential for epic win.
One of the first real steps forward in gaming in over a decade (provided they deliver the goods.)
KB
pretty much this
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Evanglion
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: TamiyaCowboy NO CCP.
three years in the making, thats three years you could have used those peoples too fix other parts of new eden. so what about ambulatuion eh ?, also what about new npc AI eh, what about all those things you said would get fixed eh, what happened.
stuff DUST 514, three years and you could have used those people too fix the bigger problems in eve.
well done you just killed a good game all for the good of GREED and MONEYS, shame on you !!!
Hold ur horses mr cowboy. the team working on dust is an completely different team in SHANGHAI. has nothing to do with eve on its own wich is developed in ICELAND. ( and still being improved )
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daedalus II What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end?
The fact that a sniper Apoc with Tachyon IIs in Low-Earth Orbit has roughly a 50% chance of hitting a running human-sized target?
(Yes, I ran the numbersà )
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
250km is well above the atmosphere. I'd love to see some sort of mechanic that lets you do orbital strikes with eve ships in the console game even it it is only npc ships that do the bombarding.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 18/08/2009 13:43:36
Originally by: No Homo taking bets for actual release date.
I'm in for November 11, 2017
I think they are much closer to release than they expected last year. That is why WiS had to be postponed and the sovereignty changes taken care of in the winter patch.
EDIT: Seeing that that this a product who has been developed primarily by the Shanghai department of CCP it makes me wonder what the Atlanta group is doing (besides writing mission descriptions). Maybe WoD is also much closer to release than anybody expects, though I seriously don't hope CCP will try to integrate that MMO with the EVE universe too. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ritter Roland only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
I'll go with my corpmate's excuse for that one: the (disintegrating) tritanium is only used in the construction process — once alloyified or otherwise combined to make a working ship, it's lagely 'splotion-free… unless subjected to plasma or lasers or equally nasty stuff. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:42:00 -
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Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daedalus II What makes you think a ship can sit and bombard a planet from orbit for hours on end?
The fact that a sniper Apoc with Tachyon IIs in Low-Earth Orbit has roughly a 50% chance of hitting a running human-sized target?
(Yes, I ran the numbersà )
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
250km is well above the atmosphere. I'd love to see some sort of mechanic that lets you do orbital strikes with eve ships in the console game even it it is only npc ships that do the bombarding.
Again...
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:43:00 -
[294]
Originally by: TamiyaCowboy NO CCP.
three years in the making, thats three years you could have used those peoples too fix other parts of new eden. so what about ambulatuion eh ?, also what about new npc AI eh, what about all those things you said would get fixed eh, what happened.
stuff DUST 514, three years and you could have used those people too fix the bigger problems in eve.
well done you just killed a good game all for the good of GREED and MONEYS, shame on you !!!
Oh please, we go through this time and time again. CCP have different offices with plenty of people dedicated to loads of different areas of EVE Online and their other projects. It does not make good business sense to focus on just EVE. They have several offices around the world and One office was working on this. Get over yourself. Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:45:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Gone'Postal Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
Have a look at Planetside instead and get your hopes up… At least that's my frame of reference and the reason I will remain hopeful. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
Coming from a guys who's alliance is called Mass - Effect...Irony?
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso
Originally by: Gone'Postal Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
Coming from a guys who's alliance is called Mass - Effect...Irony?
He obviously supports my suggestion for Mass Effect like combat in WIS. ________________________________________________
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:46:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Gone'Postal Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
nothing i have played looks anything like the awesomeness i have seen in the trailer. Really interested in the backstory about cloned troops, and the third book mentioned. So happy today. Thanks ccp Join the brown Coats today!!! |
zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:46:00 -
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The issue that perplexes me, is one that arises from the USP of EVE, the single server. A console FPS is going to be so far away from this, that I can't see how they will integrate satisfactorily. I would imagine that at most, each map for the online console players would have a maximum of 64 players, so would that be say, one base on a planet, or one planet, or what. So Dust would be a large number of servers, with a small number of players on each.
Then, if a group of players 'conquer' a planet, how do they move to another, if they are transported by EVE players, then they are going to get ganked mid-space without any interaction on their part. They would just respawn and think WTF. Maybe there is some independant transport system, which will not appear in the EVE universe, in which case, the integration fails.
I am open to any new ideas in the game, although I've always been a bit 'meh' about WIS, but I cant get my head around this announcement. Want more info please !
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Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso
Originally by: Gone'Postal Looks like a cross between Halo and Unreal II.
Both of them were **** and offered bugger all in the way of things, and from the information we have, nor will this, it's another FPS clone game and there are way to many of em.
Coming from a guys who's alliance is called Mass - Effect...Irony?
I didn't name the alliance, I was also in Band of brothers at some point yoru welcome to make jokes of that as well :) I'm sure I can find more then you can.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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GodsWill
Amarr Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ritter Roland ...
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
250km is well above the atmosphere. I'd love to see some sort of mechanic that lets you do orbital strikes with eve ships in the console game even it it is only npc ships that do the bombarding.
Again...
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Wouldn't this be perfect for dreads? It has to be expensive ships, otherwise the battlefield on the planets would be completely impossible to walk around on due to constant bombardment by battleships and their tach II's.
That way dreads could be useful for other things than cap vs. cap fleets and titan-gank fleets.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:50:00 -
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Not releasing this for PC is a loss in revenue, not to mention stupid, since Eve fans play it on their PCs, they are the most likely people to buy this new shooter, yet CCP is only releasing for consoles? Wake up!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead The issue that perplexes me, is one that arises from the USP of EVE, the single server. A console FPS is going to be so far away from this, that I can't see how they will integrate satisfactorily. I would imagine that at most, each map for the online console players would have a maximum of 64 players, so would that be say, one base on a planet, or one planet, or what. So Dust would be a large number of servers, with a small number of players on each.
Then, if a group of players 'conquer' a planet, how do they move to another, if they are transported by EVE players, then they are going to get ganked mid-space without any interaction on their part. They would just respawn and think WTF. Maybe there is some independant transport system, which will not appear in the EVE universe, in which case, the integration fails.
I am open to any new ideas in the game, although I've always been a bit 'meh' about WIS, but I cant get my head around this announcement. Want more info please !
Don't think in terms of cod4, think in terms of planetside. CCP has the technology for a massive battlefield filled with hundreds of players after all.
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Edited by: Ritter Roland on 18/08/2009 13:52:48
Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 18/08/2009 13:43:36
Originally by: No Homo taking bets for actual release date.
I'm in for November 11, 2017
I think they are much closer to release than they expected last year. That is why WiS had to be postponed and the sovereignty changes taken care of in the winter patch.
EDIT: Seeing that that this a product who has been developed primarily by the Shanghai department of CCP it makes me wonder what the Atlanta group is doing (besides writing mission descriptions). Maybe WoD is also much closer to release than anybody expects, though I seriously don't hope CCP will try to integrate that MMO with the EVE universe too.
i predict march/april 2010, since they have said we wont be able to walk in the winter patch.
i predict the schedule to be:
- winter-expansion: sov overhaul - then: Release of COSMOS as the community platform to serve as a universal connection tool between the console players and the pc players - after the winter expansion: last preparations for Dust514 - May/April 2010: Implementation of WiS into eve online as the ingame connection tool between eve and dust, and at the same time release of dust514
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Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: zombiedeadhead The issue that perplexes me, is one that arises from the USP of EVE, the single server. A console FPS is going to be so far away from this, that I can't see how they will integrate satisfactorily. I would imagine that at most, each map for the online console players would have a maximum of 64 players, so would that be say, one base on a planet, or one planet, or what. So Dust would be a large number of servers, with a small number of players on each.
Then, if a group of players 'conquer' a planet, how do they move to another, if they are transported by EVE players, then they are going to get ganked mid-space without any interaction on their part. They would just respawn and think WTF. Maybe there is some independant transport system, which will not appear in the EVE universe, in which case, the integration fails.
I am open to any new ideas in the game, although I've always been a bit 'meh' about WIS, but I cant get my head around this announcement. Want more info please !
Don't think in terms of cod4, think in terms of planetside. CCP has the technology for a massive battlefield filled with hundreds of players after all.
Yes they do, but its still a console FPS and they suck IMO, I've not seen a good or even half good console FPS.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 18/08/2009 13:54:29 From the presentation
"So if a player contracts a mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet then [mumbling icelandic english] control the planet and therefore the sov system, the constellation and region"
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edit: from 3:55 in the movie
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:55:00 -
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If this game does not include the option for ground-pounders to call in capsuleer orbital support, I will be sorely disappointed.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: GodsWill
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ritter Roland ...
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
250km is well above the atmosphere. I'd love to see some sort of mechanic that lets you do orbital strikes with eve ships in the console game even it it is only npc ships that do the bombarding.
Again...
SUICIDE GANK CALDARI PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME WITH MAH CARRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
Wouldn't this be perfect for dreads? It has to be expensive ships, otherwise the battlefield on the planets would be completely impossible to walk around on due to constant bombardment by battleships and their tach II's.
That way dreads could be useful for other things than cap vs. cap fleets and titan-gank fleets.
Gave me an idea just there about Caps having to siege even more POS shields to land Dust troops! lol oh gawd.
But I expect that a graphical update to planets will come with Dust 514 ________________________________________________
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Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:58:00 -
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Oh, and friendly fire metagaming ftw! Console kiddy tears and helping your alliance
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 18/08/2009 13:59:23 I think the ship in the sky thats glimpsed first at about 0:25 in the trailer resembles a Mega from underneath.. So I guess atmospheric flight might be coming.. (although its also shooting missiles, of all things)
This is an awesome concept, combining two worlds, and graphics looked nice even though I dont like FPS games as such.
Scary part is how MUCH the players in DUST are able to affect our sovereignty..
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
But I expect that a graphical update to planets will come with Dust 514
would be about time, yep
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cornaris on 18/08/2009 14:01:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbxQqIskSE 1:03:39
talks about planetary interaction, Looks like they have plans of splitting the planets up into multiple instances/hotzones
Kinda sounds like even maby some Master of orion micromanagement going on by the demi gods (and not the console kids)
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar
Scary part is how MUCH the players in DUST are able to affect our sovereignty..
not much is known as of now how much they are able to affect the sov
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Hyperforce99
Gallente Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:05:00 -
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does this mean walking in stations is or can be hybridized with dust ? How about taking over a station, no longer just shooting posses and then take the station into structure but actual fighting over controll of the structure. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99 does this mean walking in stations is or can be hybridized with dust ? How about taking over a station, no longer just shooting posses and then take the station into structure but actual fighting over controll of the structure.
I can see shooting Poses still being just a POS bash. But I could see outpost fights being completely awesome. ________________________________________________
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Citrute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99 does this mean walking in stations is or can be hybridized with dust ?
They talked about storefronts in WiS, why would a pod pilot need a storefront? we only need a hangar...
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:12:00 -
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All I can say is you better make it available on the PC too. I have a Wii, but it's to keep the wife in shape, not for gameing. I never touch the thing. Last console I owned was a Nintendo... as in an NES.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cors All I can say is you better make it available on the PC too. I have a Wii, but it's to keep the wife in shape, not for gameing. I never touch the thing. Last console I owned was a Nintendo... as in an NES.
Well I have a Nintendo 64, Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360. So I'm quite happy with a 360 release. ________________________________________________
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Tar Murk
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar Edited by: Zey Nadar on 18/08/2009 13:59:23 I think the ship in the sky thats glimpsed first at about 0:25 in the trailer resembles a Mega from underneath.. So I guess atmospheric flight might be coming.. (although its also shooting missiles, of all things)
This is an awesome concept, combining two worlds, and graphics looked nice even though I dont like FPS games as such.
Scary part is how MUCH the players in DUST are able to affect our sovereignty..
if u look closer it's actualy a gallente t3 ship.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:17:00 -
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I would like to say that the mere idea of having two entirely separate games on two entirely separate gaming systems that interact seamlessly in the same persistent world - that makes me grin and applaud. Seriously, how whacky do you have to be to come up with that? I can't think of anyone but CCP who'd not only design but also actually implement something like this. And regardless of all other factors, this attitude scores so many Cool Points in my book.
I'm going to leave the discussions to you people and lean back gleefully and watch it unfold. And after all, nobody ever said there won't be a PC version. They only said they can't comment YET on why they have not YET announced a PC version... ;)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:21:00 -
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Imagine ...
- dust members and eve members being in the same corp / alliance
- dusties and evies sharing the same resources and chats
- dusties capturing research and industry facilities on the planets which then can be used by the corp/alliance
- dusties setting up factories and mines on the planets which can be used by the eve universe
- evies building supplies for the dusties and doing logistics for them
- rankings of all the dust teams (efficiency etc.) so that evies can hire the best teams they want
- setting up a blockade at a planet so that no hostile supply ship can supply the dust teams on the ground -- and busting up such blockades with your fleet
Just to show a few possibilities.
I think this has HUGE potential. If only CCP will do it right ...
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel I'm going to leave the discussions to you people and lean back gleefully and watch it unfold. And after all, nobody ever said there won't be a PC version. They only said they can't comment YET on why they have not YET announced a PC version... ;)
Hilmars grin said enough to me, it's (hopefully, maybe) going to be a fanfest thing the announment of a PC client and hopefully a Mac one.....
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:24:00 -
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And don't forget the possibility of Controller compatible keyboards (It's been done for PS2's Final Fantasy MMO's) that can be used in chat along with controllers. ________________________________________________
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Katamari D
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:26:00 -
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Isn't this also the first console FPS that can actually be played by 360 and PS3 users connected to the same server? Xbox Live and PS Home is not very compatible at all.
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TheJaff
Minmatar Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:26:00 -
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A quote from the release notes for Aprocrypha 1.5
Quote: Specialized Cargo holds - Fuel bays on black ops We are introducing a system that allows us to author specialized cargo holds on ships. We will start by adding fuel bays on black ops and possibly other ships. This means weære adding more space for your fuel, without the ships becoming horribly unbalanced haulers of death. The technology behind this opens up doors to making other types of bays, just for ammo, just for livestock or whatever. Those options will be explored in future expansions.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Ishina Fel I'm going to leave the discussions to you people and lean back gleefully and watch it unfold. And after all, nobody ever said there won't be a PC version. They only said they can't comment YET on why they have not YET announced a PC version... ;)
Hilmars grin said enough to me, it's (hopefully, maybe) going to be a fanfest thing the announment of a PC client and hopefully a Mac one.....
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grez And this 'tiny' MMO is the second largest next to WoW.
Not quite. EVE's 300k total aubscribers isn't all that big in the MMO world. I can name 10 bigger MMO's without even looking up all the facts.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/08/2009 13:58:19 If this game does not include the option for ground-pounders to call in capsuleer orbital support, I will be sorely disappointed.
OHMAGAD ZEALOT STRAFING RUN, TAKE COVER *ZAPZAPZAPZAPZAPZAP*
So I take it you are probably going to assemble huge merc armys loyal to the GHSC then after they do your bidding you will find a way to scam them. Can't wait for the C&P thread.
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Rovan Stargazer
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:28:00 -
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Man though it's only a wish, it would be awsome if we could drive players from planet to planet.
Dear Passengers this is your pilot speaking. We should be approching the planet in 10 min, if i entered the right destination that is (lol).
10 min later....
The trip will take a bit longer than expected, but nothing to wory about i even brought you a damsell in destress for your pleasure only (auto-pilot afk).
Dear passengers, if you look to your left, you will see how beautifull this universe realy is, and on the right you can see a big pirate battleship shooting at us. And yes the sound you just heard is indeed cracking of our hull. Thank god for clones eh? Oh you don't have them. Hmmm farewell then :D.
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista ...and hopefully a Mac one.....
Oh yes please!
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Sigvald Gottschalk
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rovan Stargazer Man though it's only a wish, it would be awsome if we could drive players from planet to planet.
Dear Passengers this is your pilot speaking. We should be approching the planet in 10 min, if i entered the right destination that is (lol).
10 min later....
The trip will take a bit longer than expected, but nothing to wory about i even brought you a damsell in destress for your pleasure only (auto-pilot afk).
Dear passengers, if you look to your left, you will see how beautifull this universe realy is, and on the right you can see a big pirate battleship shooting at us. And yes the sound you just heard is indeed cracking of our hull. Thank god for clones eh? Oh you don't have them. Hmmm farewell then :D.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rovan Stargazer Man though it's only a wish, it would be awsome if we could drive players from planet to planet.
Dear Passengers this is your pilot speaking. We should be approching the planet in 10 min, if i entered the right destination that is (lol).
10 min later....
The trip will take a bit longer than expected, but nothing to wory about i even brought you a damsell in destress for your pleasure only (auto-pilot afk).
Dear passengers, if you look to your left, you will see how beautifull this universe realy is, and on the right you can see a big pirate battleship shooting at us. And yes the sound you just heard is indeed cracking of our hull. Thank god for clones eh? Oh you don't have them. Hmmm farewell then :D.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: GodsWill
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ritter Roland ...
only that a sniper apoc cant even enter low-earth orbit, because of tritanium
250km is well above the atmosphere. I'd love to see some sort of mechanic that lets you do orbital strikes with eve ships in the console game even it it is only npc ships that do the bombarding.
Again...
SUICIDE GANK CALDARI PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME WITH MAH CARRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
Wouldn't this be perfect for dreads? It has to be expensive ships, otherwise the battlefield on the planets would be completely impossible to walk around on due to constant bombardment by battleships and their tach II's.
That way dreads could be useful for other things than cap vs. cap fleets and titan-gank fleets.
When the Kor-Azor fleet was preparing to kill the population of Liparer II a couple of years ago, Revelations were their ships of choice.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Katamari D Isn't this also the first console FPS that can actually be played by 360 and PS3 users connected to the same server? Xbox Live and PS Home is not very compatible at all.
they dont have to, since they dont connect to each other, but to CCP¦s servers
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:32:00 -
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Probably CCP will start off with just light interraction between the two games, like chat and corp structures. Otherwise the ability of MASSIVE EXCELLENT GRIEFING OF CONSOLE PLAYERS will be too tempting for us to ignore.
The thing I'm wondering about, is how it will tie in, in terms of updates. Content in Eve is constantly developed and changed, where as this cannot happen in a console game. Does this mean the Eve content is 'locked' if it will intefere with Dust mechanics? So what about sovreignty? If that is due to be overhauled in eve, it will have to be done before Dust is released because it cannot be done afterwards.
Nor can it be done too close to the release of Dust, because of the fact that most Eve content that's freshly released needs tweaking and balancing afterwards - sometimes for months or even years. If the new sovreignty system is released to tie in with Dust but it's actually crap, it won't be able to be changed.
And what about the far future as the focus of Eve changes? Eve is fluid, and Dust cannot be. Or maybe CCP have something up their sleeve - like the first fluid and dynamic console game. I wonder if people buying Dust 3 years after it was released will also face many gigabytes of downloads to update the game! -omg-
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:33:00 -
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Am i the only person who has noticed DUST is constantly CAPITALISED like an Abbreviation?
Deployment into Underhanded Sovereignty and Tactics?
Well it fits _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:36:00 -
[339]
KK its been long enough in the day for ccp to put some blue bars on this thread to get rid of the blue balls of the poasters.
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McDaddy Pimp
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:38:00 -
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meh, you guys are reading between the lines
The game itself The way i see it, this is a nice move my CCP, as it let EVE fans immerse themselves more into the world, and maybe some FPS fan who play DUST will gain interest on the MMO side of EVE.
Why consoles? Coz pc sucks at gaming atm, cost to much. Remember the threadnought(s) when CCP discontinues the Classic client.... and you expect them to upgrade again so they can play this FPS?
Also, im thinking this game probably going to be to "heavy" for PCs, like GTA4, try playing that on a PC with 60fps and not crashing/bugs
EVE Online effected? nah, CCP's smart and they NEVER make any drastic changes... they make a dev blog just for a new button ffs. The "interaction" between DUST and EVE probably going to be heavily regulated , and maybe even limited to RP stuff.. a few news by the ISD when a planet is captured, or a new NPC missions in the system so you can "support" the troops, i doubt it will effect the sandbox part of eve.
I like think DUST more as a "spin-off" rather then an expansion. Like how WoW is a spin off of Warcraft 3, they only connected in terms of back story and some graphics. You dont have to play it if you don't want to.
tl;dr, naysayers are dumb, and im gonna get this game
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Probably CCP will start off with just light interraction between the two games, like chat and corp structures. Otherwise the ability of MASSIVE EXCELLENT GRIEFING OF CONSOLE PLAYERS will be too tempting for us to ignore.
The thing I'm wondering about, is how it will tie in, in terms of updates. Content in Eve is constantly developed and changed, where as this cannot happen in a console game. Does this mean the Eve content is 'locked' if it will intefere with Dust mechanics? So what about sovreignty? If that is due to be overhauled in eve, it will have to be done before Dust is released because it cannot be done afterwards.
Nor can it be done too close to the release of Dust, because of the fact that most Eve content that's freshly released needs tweaking and balancing afterwards - sometimes for months or even years. If the new sovreignty system is released to tie in with Dust but it's actually crap, it won't be able to be changed.
And what about the far future as the focus of Eve changes? Eve is fluid, and Dust cannot be. Or maybe CCP have something up their sleeve - like the first fluid and dynamic console game. I wonder if people buying Dust 3 years after it was released will also face many gigabytes of downloads to update the game!
i dont think so. They are two completely different clients on completely different platforms. the only thing ccp has to update on both games is when new equipment for the dust huggers is available, since it will be the eve players who will help provide the ground troups with equipment.
other than that, the eve players will send the ground troups to various planets, which will then show up in dust as missions or quests.
so if eve gets various updates which are not connected to the equipment for the ground troups, dust doesnt seem to be needing an update as well all the time.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:39:00 -
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I LOVE THE IDEA...
I think CCP is going in the right direction with this one... Multiple games feeding and interconnected with each other is what will define MMO's in the future... whether FPS or any other game. I do hope this will be available on the PC at some point.
But this just expands the world of EVE... and anything that does that is a win in my book.
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Zarlak
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:42:00 -
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this hinges, absolubtly hinges on the audience playing Dust, try explaining pos warfare, hotdropping, titans, gatecamps blah blah to some bored 13 year old kids on consoles and there response is gonna be "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" i really dont think the people who buy dust, are gonna care about eves bigger picture, they are gonna want to pew pew people in the face, and thats it, and explaining the entire game and the importance of the grunts work on the ground, is gonna be lost on people logging in for a few hours a night on their xbox, who just want a few kills before going to bed
and paying them to do our work? if they cant get into space what are they supposed to be spending the money that we pay them on???? --------------------------
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GAJY
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:42:00 -
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Think it's dumb making a console only FPS when you have so much history with the PC....... therefor I don't care cause FPS on consoles suck.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: McDaddy Pimp EVE Online effected? nah, CCP's smart and they NEVER make any drastic changes... they make a dev blog just for a new button ffs. The "interaction" between DUST and EVE probably going to be heavily regulated , and maybe even limited to RP stuff..
Sure, except for Hillmar's claim that the Dust gameplay will be tied to the EVE sovereignty system and that the events in one will feed directly in events in the other.
Quote: I like think DUST more as a "spin-off" rather then an expansion. Like how WoW is a spin off of Warcraft 3, they only connected in terms of back story and some graphics.
…except (again) that they will both exist in the same continuous universe and affect each other. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Atropos Kahn I LOVE THE IDEA...
I think CCP is going in the right direction with this one... Multiple games feeding and interconnected with each other is what will define MMO's in the future... whether FPS or any other game. I do hope this will be available on the PC at some point.
But this just expands the world of EVE... and anything that does that is a win in my book.
as has been said before, this can become epic winsauce if done right
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Brolly
Caldari Caldari State Inc. Deathadder Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:43:00 -
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Wonder if it will be a pay monthly thing, that could get peoples arms up
Also, why the hell do CCP release awesome video's and never release them in HD?, fail that, why don't they even post screenies anywhere of ambulation stuffs, previous planetary interaction and such. Some of us are interested in the history of the game, whether ideas are implemented or not.
Whilst i'm on one, does CCP need any beta testers for dust?
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlak this hinges, absolubtly hinges on the audience playing Dust, try explaining pos warfare, hotdropping, titans, gatecamps blah blah to some bored 13 year old kids on consoles and there response is gonna be "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" i really dont think the people who buy dust, are gonna care about eves bigger picture, they are gonna want to pew pew people in the face, and thats it, and explaining the entire game and the importance of the grunts work on the ground, is gonna be lost on people logging in for a few hours a night on their xbox, who just want a few kills before going to bed
and paying them to do our work? if they cant get into space what are they supposed to be spending the money that we pay them on????
what you are describing here... is exactly how it would be supposed to be in a real war. there the ground troups would also come up with "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" while the more serious and intelligent people care for the commandship and the flying
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly Wonder if it will be a pay monthly thing, that could get peoples arms up
Also, why the hell do CCP release awesome video's and never release them in HD?, fail that, why don't they even post screenies anywhere of ambulation stuffs, previous planetary interaction and such. Some of us are interested in the history of the game, whether ideas are implemented or not.
Whilst i'm on one, does CCP need any beta testers for dust?
How does one beta test a console game? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 14:46:42
Originally by: McDaddy Pimp
Why consoles? Coz pc sucks at gaming atm, cost to much. Remember the threadnought(s) when CCP discontinues the Classic client.... and you expect them to upgrade again so they can play this FPS?
A $200 netbook can outperform a console and play eve great. Consoles are just overgloried DRM controlled PCs that are a few years old now. Heck the failure rates of PCs are ridiculously small compared to consoles because PCs have proper designs, consoles are just radiators.
Quote: GTA4, try playing that on a PC with 60fps and not crashing/bugs
That's because the ******s at Rockstar did a horrible job at porting GTA4 to PC and just released it to make money off people buying it.
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Zarlak
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Zarlak this hinges, absolubtly hinges on the audience playing Dust, try explaining pos warfare, hotdropping, titans, gatecamps blah blah to some bored 13 year old kids on consoles and there response is gonna be "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" i really dont think the people who buy dust, are gonna care about eves bigger picture, they are gonna want to pew pew people in the face, and thats it, and explaining the entire game and the importance of the grunts work on the ground, is gonna be lost on people logging in for a few hours a night on their xbox, who just want a few kills before going to bed
and paying them to do our work? if they cant get into space what are they supposed to be spending the money that we pay them on????
what you are describing here... is exactly how it would be supposed to be in a real war. there the ground troups would also come up with "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" while the more serious and intelligent people care for the commandship and the flying
yeah but heres the difference
your us military guy in iraq knows how the world works, he knows about the world, he knows that if he isnt fighting there, it affects people back home, and he knows why, thats why he obeys his orders
the dust grunt, buys a game not giving a damn about Eve Online, doesnt even know it exists, he just saw it in Game or something and thought the graphics looked good, and just wants to shoot people doesnt know a thing about Eve Online, and how his actions effect it, therefore if you try to rally them into something, they are just going to ignore you, and play the game the way they want to because after all, they bought it, they just want to shoot people, dont care about orders, or guys from alliances talking to them telling them what to do
and then of course most of them are gonna have epeen attitude problems --------------------------
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:48:00 -
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this might take long and it is better for ccp to take long, not only to make it better but to gain more from us all waiting for an exciting new release and idea.
This is a carrot you fools, it is on a long long stick and is juice as a 18 yearl old asian **** star.
We will byte it eventualy but the "carrot" will be much older than. But it woudl ensure that we would keep walking obidiant to the ccp light of truth.
No CCP Let me get my social life back pls, stop creating dreams and let me rot in the dull reality. And btw, may i have my figure back? I started this game looking like a stabber and i now resamble an Obelisk.
Keep Naglfar The ONLY Vertical ship in game too pls
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m0jo
Chemical Dependency
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:50:00 -
[353]
The only thing that worries me about this game is CONSOLE. Like wtf , For real???. Come on CCP!!!!! I mean the concept of the game and how it will work with Eve is awesome but CONSOLE!?!?!?!?!? FFS. Do you realize how many 8 year olds are gonna buy that damn game?
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Scopex Novita
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:51:00 -
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I have some suggestions for this:
Release it alongside ambulation, give them FPS planetside but allow them to walk around stations and use them as a lobby to meet people and use services, buy things and prepare for battle, as well as own an apartment or whatever. Make this spread over quite a few stations in several systems.
This would allow me to run an ambulation bar and have it populated by 35+ people at all times instead of by three people who are idling.
Keep the economies scaled properly. Have the market present for fps soldiers also available for the PC players, so we can transport guns around, raise prices, with the dynamic market prices go up/down.
Remember that as capsuleers we're supposed to be far richer than the average populace, so the guns and equipment should cost between 100-1000 ISK and with a supply of weapon rounds being required at all times.
It'll be awesome, especially if it catches on and attracts hundreds of thousands of fps players. Ambulation stations will be totally bustling, allowing pepole to profit through other relatively cheap means apart from spaceflight.
Picture a few marines in a bar drinking wearing muddy, scratched garments, when suddenly a capsuleer walks in clad in robes costing several hundred thousand ISK. Oh yeah, we definately need clothing manufacturing in this as well.
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
Sigh well then dont play it
If Dust has effects on alliances and sov as advertised, I have NO DAMN CHOICE.
If I don't want to play it (and I don't) that doesn't stop a headshotting 12 year old from taking planets. It opens up well established mechanics to a whole new breed of people, and there's not a damn thing EVE players can do about it.
Do you honestly think this is a good idea? People aren't going to stand for losing their dyspro moons because a halo player got a kill streak.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 18/08/2009 14:53:53
Originally by: Scopex Novita
Release it alongside ambulation, give them FPS planetside but allow them to walk around stations and use them as a lobby to meet people and use services, buy things and prepare for battle, as well as own an apartment or whatever. Make this spread over quite a few stations in several .
That completely ignores the backstory behind eve, we are capsulers, we the elite who do not mingle with the normal everday crowds. Walking in station will even have areas where you see normal people walking about but the areas you are in are cut off from them. The soldiers on the ground are not capsulers, just meatbags.
Anyhow, I am proposing Operation The Great Cleansing, we shall commit a genocide so large, all Dust 514 players will fear us!
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Guy Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlak this hinges, absolubtly hinges on the audience playing Dust, try explaining pos warfare, hotdropping, titans, gatecamps blah blah to some bored 13 year old kids on consoles and there response is gonna be "lols ok then mr serious, can i haz pew pew nao?" i really dont think the people who buy dust, are gonna care about eves bigger picture, they are gonna want to pew pew people in the face, and thats it, and explaining the entire game and the importance of the grunts work on the ground, is gonna be lost on people logging in for a few hours a night on their xbox, who just want a few kills before going to bed
and paying them to do our work? if they cant get into space what are they supposed to be spending the money that we pay them on????
Exotic dancers? Bigger Guns? tanks? Dropships? chances are there will be a *lot* of stuff to be bought, maybe our new Toys can even build bases if we tell them to?
About the "Bigger Picture" well that even makes sense on a RP point of view, why should some dust crawler care if our Space Stations get destroyed? He cant do **** about anyway.
What i wonder is, how will the eco work... if we pay them on a 1:1 base in ISK and things cost roughly the same compared to spaceship counterparts (like 300K for a standard Gun and up to 1 Billion for the biggest tanks) it would somewhat throw of the scale of things, ig the Groud gear is cheaper, what stops merc corps from opening up 2-3 Trial accounts and hauling in a few million ISK to be set for the years to come, money wise?
If the two systems are totaly different, why should 90% of the player base care at all?
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GAJY
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:57:00 -
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They say what consoles want is an FPS but frigging PC is the home of the FPS and they play better on the PC. Also they're connecting the two well PC MMO players who are tired of WoW and don't want to play a game where you're a ship, they would play an MMO FPS on their PC. I know I'd play it on my PC.
stupid how the treat their PC fans as second place.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz
Originally by: Scopex Novita Release it alongside ambulation, give them FPS planetside but allow them to walk around stations and use them as a lobby to meet people and use services, buy things and prepare for battle, as well as own an apartment or whatever. Make this spread over quite a few stations in several .
That completely ignores the backstory behind eve, we are capsulers, we the elite who do not mingle with the normal everday crowds. Walking in station will even have areas where you see normal people walking about but the areas you are in are cut off from them.
In fact, I see this as an excellent opportunity to play on the standard consoles-are-for-kids elitism ;)
EVE-capsuleers have their own tiers and look down on the Dust grunts, and pay them off to go fight the dirty wars and die by the bazillions while we — the elite — kick back and enjoy our exotic dancers and blue pills. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:58:00 -
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Hahaha from one of the most complex and inaccessible games to the most accessible and dumbed-down game genres. This is going to be a laugh. ---
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:02:00 -
[361]
Originally by: GAJY They say what consoles want is an FPS but frigging PC is the home of the FPS and they play better on the PC. Also they're connecting the two well PC MMO players who are tired of WoW and don't want to play a game where you're a ship, they would play an MMO FPS on their PC. I know I'd play it on my PC.
stupid how the treat their PC fans as second place.
You know, cause Eve is for consoles only. ________________________________________________
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Murk
Originally by: Zey Nadar Edited by: Zey Nadar on 18/08/2009 13:59:23 I think the ship in the sky thats glimpsed first at about 0:25 in the trailer resembles a Mega from underneath.. So I guess atmospheric flight might be coming.. (although its also shooting missiles, of all things)
This is an awesome concept, combining two worlds, and graphics looked nice even though I dont like FPS games as such.
Scary part is how MUCH the players in DUST are able to affect our sovereignty..
if u look closer it's actualy a gallente t3 ship.
mmm no, doesnt look like proteus at all..
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Hahaha from one of the most complex and inaccessible games to the most accessible and dumbed-down game genres. This is going to be a laugh.
I believe there is a saying: 'Something for everyone'
Seems to me if ccp are smart they will give a discount for having an eve account and dust account so alliance players can have more say in what happens on the dust side of the sov equation. Put in a few core members into the fps game and recruit from there. Now you have an army loyal to your eve corp who will now go and pester that damn annoying alliance the next region over.
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K'ashell K'aran
Soviet Canuckistan Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:05:00 -
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I am curious on whether the Market will be tied together...
Do DUST 514 players buy Planetary Vehicles/guns/ammo/etc. made/sold by the EvE Industrialists?
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Rovan Stargazer
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:06:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Hahaha from one of the most complex and inaccessible games to the most accessible and dumbed-down game genres. This is going to be a laugh.
Well when you look at it, ground troops never been to smart :D. So we will be the brains, while they shoot eachoder.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:07:00 -
[366]
Originally by: Rovan Stargazer
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Hahaha from one of the most complex and inaccessible games to the most accessible and dumbed-down game genres. This is going to be a laugh.
Well when you look at it, ground troops never been to smart :D. So we will be the brains, while they shoot eachoder.
It's evil and fits in so perfectly, I love CCP. ________________________________________________
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: m0jo The only thing that worries me about this game is CONSOLE. Like wtf , For real???. Come on CCP!!!!! I mean the concept of the game and how it will work with Eve is awesome but CONSOLE!?!?!?!?!? FFS. Do you realize how many 8 year olds are gonna buy that damn game?
And I get to shoot them with orbital bombardment? Count me in.
ps. Im a console player too. This hate on consoles is appalling.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rovan Stargazer
Well when you look at it, ground troops never been to smart :D. So we will be the brains, while they shoot eachoder.
pretty much like starship troopers. only without planetary bombardement :D
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GodsWill
Amarr Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:14:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Originally by: m0jo The only thing that worries me about this game is CONSOLE. Like wtf , For real???. Come on CCP!!!!! I mean the concept of the game and how it will work with Eve is awesome but CONSOLE!?!?!?!?!? FFS. Do you realize how many 8 year olds are gonna buy that damn game?
And I get to shoot them with orbital bombardment? Count me in.
ps. Im a console player too. This hate on consoles is appalling.
This. I used to play FPS's on PC, but on a console, although it takes some time getting used to the controls, it's so much more relaxing sitting in a couch with a gamepad. After an 8 hour days at work, sitting in a BS and POS-bashing for 3 hours is not the way to unwind. More like an hour or two of COD4/Bad company.
It would be nice if we could have it on PC as well, but maybe just fits so much better into the universe with completely different demographics playing EVE and DUST.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar
ps. Im a console player too. This hate on consoles is appalling.
after thinking it through, its only logical that they are not going to release a pc based version of it.
The hacking and cheating would destroy the whole concept.
Plus it wouldnt be so easy to even out the advantage that pc players have with their mouse
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
Yep, and I just made a new computer only for EVE, because on my other system the sound does not work :(
Either way, I am going to cancel my accounts and go back to Ryzom, cu later.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Evanglion
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
Yep, and I just made a new computer only for EVE, because on my other system the sound does not work :(
Either way, I am going to cancel my accounts and go back to Ryzom, cu later.
Can i have your stuff ?
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Stahlfalke
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:21:00 -
[373]
an eve shooter for consoles? this blows.
i just hope that you dont have to rely on the dumb console crowd to do anything in 0.0 in eve.
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Evanglion Can i have your stuff ?
Only if you get enough headshots in a row.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:26:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Evanglion
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Jowen Datloran there to the sentiment that EVE is some kind of exclusive club for PC players only is far.
Actually, EVE is an exclusive club for EVE players, crazy concept eh?
This is going to be such a failure.
Yep, and I just made a new computer only for EVE, because on my other system the sound does not work :(
Either way, I am going to cancel my accounts and go back to Ryzom, cu later.
Can i have your stuff ?
Hehe, nah not yet, my main sub will run for another 3 months before it cancels, hopefully there is some better news by then. If not, then I will give my stuff to a RL friend :p ( if he does not quit as well )
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
Carcosa Hali
Order of Anarchy The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:27:00 -
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damn, now I have to get a 360 for the wife. She won't let it go, she can't let it go. She's freaking obsessed! Thanks, CCP.
But I could see this working magnificently well. Two separate games that interact constantly. The grunts target-paint a structure for an airstrike, we fire from orbit. Or breaching a planetary blockade to release dropships from low orbit, which the dusters pilot then to the surface..
MTAC's, toxic world ops, crap.. EVA suits? Station assaults? It has alot of potential. Plus since it's an entirely different game, EVE's updating won't take second place to it, nor vice-versa.
And particularly when alliances start recruiting high-ranked platoons to raid each others resources.. It's just brilliant!
Or.. so I hear. >_>
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stahlfalke an eve shooter for consoles? this blows.
i just hope that you dont have to rely on the dumb console crowd to do anything in 0.0 in eve.
You will, as they will influence 0.0 sovereignty, go watch the video at the OP here.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
If not, then I will give my stuff to a RL friend :p ( if he does not quit as well )
his stuff, can i haz as well?
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Stahlfalke an eve shooter for consoles? this blows.
i just hope that you dont have to rely on the dumb console crowd to do anything in 0.0 in eve.
You will, as they will influence 0.0 sovereignty, go watch the video at the OP here.
ever played battlefield1942?
i think the amount of equipment and ressources each eve online alliance is going to dump into a dust battle will have the greatest impact on which side will win the dust battle.
and then, in return, winning the dust battle will help the 0.0 fleet fight.
thats how i understand it
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:32:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Stahlfalke an eve shooter for consoles? this blows.
i just hope that you dont have to rely on the dumb console crowd to do anything in 0.0 in eve.
You will, as they will influence 0.0 sovereignty, go watch the video at the OP here.
ever played battlefield1942?
i think the amount of equipment and ressources each eve online alliance is going to dump into a dust battle will have the greatest impact on which side will win the dust battle.
and then, in return, winning the dust battle will help the 0.0 fleet fight.
thats how i understand it
This 110%
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Onyx Asablot
The Vicious Circle
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Onyx Asablot on 18/08/2009 15:34:54 IMO...
1) Awesome idea. I do want an in depth planetside like epic tactical shooter for EvE, very very much
2) Consoles, terrible controllers for FPS with slow treacle like turning ability
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:34:00 -
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Just throwing an idea out there I have no evidence to back it up.
Maybe the reason they haven't announced a PC version of DUST is that the PC version of DUST will be included in EVE. Maybe as an optional download.
I can imagine DUST being the FPS and console only and EVE being internet spaceships with the option of FPS.
Add Eve Voice between the games and the ability to contribute directly to the planetside battle from your ship and things get interesting.
As to effecting sov, the whole system is changing soon. I personally hope it gets much harder to lock down huge chunks of 0.0 so that Alliances have to actually do something more than pos spam with cyno jamming to hold it. Most of the sov space I fly through is empty with maybe 5-10 people in an outpost system with Sov holding alliances so bored with the lack of action due to their NAPs that they are blobbing in lowsec instead
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MaxPower 519
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:37:00 -
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If CCP thinks that console gamers will pay a monthly fee to play a FPS they are out of their minds!! this smells like epic fail
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: MaxPower 519 If CCP thinks that console gamers will pay a monthly fee to play a FPS they are out of their minds!! this smells like epic fail
Yeah I have to agree with this. The console crowd is different. I assume that if you play a console game, you just want to pop in the dvd and play for an hour or so, without too much hassle. Actually that is why I considered to buy one.
So that's why I asked earlier: will there be enough interest in this game ?
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:42:00 -
[385]
Originally by: MaxPower 519 If CCP thinks that console gamers will pay a monthly fee to play a FPS they are out of their minds!! this smells like epic fail
They allready do pay to play FPS's on xboxlive
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Bodhidauruma
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:48:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Stahlfalke i just hope that you dont have to rely on the dumb console crowd to do anything in 0.0 in eve.
Hope fail:
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/#continued
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Eliza Farcaster
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:50:00 -
[387]
Originally by: MaxPower 519 If CCP thinks that console gamers will pay a monthly fee to play a FPS they are out of their minds!! this smells like epic fail
Agreed, but I doubt they'll try to charge them.
For all those who don't want to buy a console to play this, don't. You aren't the target audience for this product. Keep enjoying Eve online, and if you dont like the way it works out, quit and do something else. Eve doesnt owe you a gaming life forever, if you don't like the changes deal with it.
Personally I'm actually really excited to see a new angle on eve, even if I don't buy a copy of the game for my 360.
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MaxPower 519
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:58:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Eliza Farcaster
Originally by: MaxPower 519 If CCP thinks that console gamers will pay a monthly fee to play a FPS they are out of their minds!! this smells like epic fail
Agreed, but I doubt they'll try to charge them.
You don't think there will be a monthly fee? Well that would be nice.
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Synex
Gallente Oursulaert Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:01:00 -
[389]
Sorry if i'm a fanboi but i think that the idea behind it is revolutionary. CCP never fail to amaze me with the scope of vision that they have.
Synex Oursulaert Industries
Freelancer industrialist? Contact me for some exciting opportunities. |
Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:01:00 -
[390]
Just getting in on this news... Actually, I'm really excited about this. Not personally all that excited about the DUST game itself, as I'm not a console guy, nor an FPS guy. However, I am VERY excited about the prospects this has for coloring in the missing parts of the EvE universe. And honestly, the prospects of hiring other players to conquer worlds for your wars just might get me interested in Alliance warfare once again.
While this appears to be of the massive wartime model, I'd love to see some sort of smaller skirmish or even special ops style single objective based 'mission' that could be created as well. It would be great to be able to:
in EvE: Cloak into enemy territory. in EvE: Drop special ops package on enemy controlled planet. in EvE: Set up sabotage objective for special ops unit. in DusT: View available missions (from preferred alliance). in DusT: Accept covert sabotage mission from fleet buddies. in DusT: Sneak/Fight way to objective, set explosives, run/clone jump away. in EvE: Reep benefits of enemy production being impeded.
I think this could bring more small scale operations into DusT that would allow more opportunities for short sit-down time play, while still having a significant effect on the universe as a whole.
Intel/Nomad |
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:06:00 -
[391]
LET'S HOPE CCP MANAGE TO COUGH UP BETTER SOUND FOR DUST 514 THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN EVE ATM
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:09:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Arec Bardwin LET'S HOPE CCP MANAGE TO COUGH UP BETTER SOUND FOR DUST 514 THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN EVE ATM
No crackles and actual gun sounds you mean ? Maybe if the sound is right for DUST, that team can work on Eve for a bit ?
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:11:00 -
[393]
Would be nice if you required sov on all of the planets in the solar system before you could gain sov 3/4 something like that.
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Sopherin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:12:00 -
[394]
Giant Sov Reset incoming!
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Trader Alistair
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:13:00 -
[395]
This is pure evil....goodbye rl.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:13:00 -
[396]
****.. We contract the DUST ground pounders.. that means the alliance's with all the moons can hire a LOT more ground pounders then the ones who don't...
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:16:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Trader Alistair This is pure evil....goodbye rl.
LOL too true
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:17:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Cors ****.. We contract the DUST ground pounders.. that means the alliance's with all the moons can hire a LOT more ground pounders then the ones who don't...
who said that ground combat equipment is made out of moon mineral......
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:18:00 -
[399]
ok i have to add in my thoughts.
Dust 514 could very easily go both ways.
1. Sov warfare will never be the same, it wont just be pos's bashing and pos spamming anymore. It will require ground combat, this could be really fun, but im sure they will do it in a way so that if you dont hold sov in the system and you die you get podded back to your start sytem and have to go over there again.
2. station capturing will become much more fun too.
3. Im sure CCP will acknowledge that if you have a pre-existing eve acct you can get a dust acct with no additional charges.
4. Because of Falcon will no longer be an excuse
5. 514 forums will just be as funny to read as CAOD, and GD
6. I want to see chribba fighting on a veldspar roid in all his epic glory
7. The idea of hot dropping console gaming troops into a battle field sounds epic, Remember those planetary interaction videos? what if this is part of it?
8. Wis = 514 hahahahahahahaaha
ok you man continue now to spam rumors and QQ and CAn i have your stuff if you emo rage quit? --------------------------
WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:19:00 -
[400]
This sounds pretty much like something I hoped for. Introducing an RTS/FPS element into the EVE universe. Orbital and planetary flight hopefully included. All interacting (in some way) in the same universe. This should provide the one game for all comers. Now I'm not happy about the console aspect (as I don't have one and don't ever intend to get one), but I'm not that interested in the FPS thing anyway, so I don't need to. I'd be more than happy to provide some bombardment missions to the dust pounders below though ...
At any rate, this sounds all very nice, and I'm quite impressed by CCP daring in trying to make this work. One of the few developers out there with the balls to try something like this ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:21:00 -
[401]
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
3. Im sure CCP will acknowledge that if you have a pre-existing eve acct you can get a dust acct with no additional charges.
Yes, sure
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:24:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane I'd be more than happy to provide some bombardment missions to the dust pounders below though ...
id be more than happy to provide some equipment and tanks to the dust huggers below. This will probably also give a whole good boost to all the manufacturers out there.
you know there will be alot of tanks and equipment destroyed during a planetary battle
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Tranca
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:24:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Tranca on 18/08/2009 16:26:27 Well, CCP have been saying for many years they were trying to come up with a new way for system Sov to be done. Well guess what, they just showed you how it is going to be done. And I think its fricking awsomesauce!!
And I might suspect a whole sov wipe coming too. Which I personally won't call a bad thing....
After playing EvE since beta 3 I would definatly love a new approach to the game. I think I will have to purchase a 360 now. And I would expect at least a small monthly fee. I have no problem giving CCP more $$ if the game is good!!
And for those who are whining about paying a monthly fee to play this....uh....nothing in life is free. Don't expect a business to give you a new product for free either.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:26:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk 4. Because of Falcon will no longer be an excuse
Don't be silly.
Q: "Why I cannot fier my riffel!" A: "Because of falcon!" ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Aekrhe
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:29:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Trader Alistair This is pure evil....goodbye rl.
^^^^^^^^
I will buy a console just for this :o
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schell mesfentas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:29:00 -
[406]
I am rarely moved enough to reply to a topic, but omg this Dust looks **** **** ****. I am disgusted and still somewhat in shock.
NO
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:32:00 -
[407]
I guess this explains the recent television advertising push for EvE online.. I've seen quite a few eve online commercials running on G4 lately... (basciclly just airing some of their well done trailers)... good way to slowly introduce the universe to the consoleers...
Intel/Nomad |
Okonaa
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:33:00 -
[408]
I ****ing hate consoles and this is a slap inthe face for the pc crowd playing eve online.
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AdmiralJohn
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:34:00 -
[409]
WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING UP MY HOMEWORLD?!
INTAKI V, NOOOO!!!
Look on the bottom left-side of the video at 00:22-00:26
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Delianora
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:38:00 -
[410]
planetary assault vehicles NPC item--just bought 1million
small arms NPC item--just bought 900000
lets get moving, traders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:47:00 -
[411]
I might have just had an orgasm.
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Moon Dogg
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:49:00 -
[412]
Originally by: Delianora planetary assault vehicles NPC item--just bought 1million
small arms NPC item--just bought 900000
lets get moving, traders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure about the concept of influencing sovereignty, but I have to give them lots of respect for coming up with an innovative concept. I'm no console player, but I may pick up a copy and try it out. MAYBE.
In the meantime, I need to grab some BPOs of planetary assault vehicles, Mark VIII assault rifles, etc. :)
*********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..." |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:50:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Delianora planetary assault vehicles NPC item--just bought 1million
small arms NPC item--just bought 900000
lets get moving, traders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do not really believe that these standard npc items are the ones that are going to be used in groundcombat do you? right? riittttee?
i bet we will have to produce these items. since the one alliance that dumps more into a specific ground battle will most likely prevail there. and just buying npc items would be slightly to easy i wouold think.
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Nova Satar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:51:00 -
[414]
Edited by: Nova Satar on 18/08/2009 16:53:34 errr, why not on PC?
Consoles have inferior graphics and ****ty controls.
edit:@ well tbh its either console or pure pc... if it affects eve online.
consoles and pc cant cross over afaik, and seeing as its an mmo, pc AND console wont work
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Jeebus Cynoalt
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:52:00 -
[415]
Originally by: CyberGh0st
I think CCP pulled an NGE.
Quoting so when it becomes painfully obvious they did, we can tell CCP we told you so.
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patrick elektros
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:54:00 -
[416]
hmmmm, i wonder if this is why they are changing the LP system...
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Rootax
Gallente Aeon Cores Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:54:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Nova Satar errr, why not on PC?
Consoles have inferior graphics and ****ty controls.
I guess we will have the answer pretty soon. I hope at Fanfest... The perfect scenario for me that it will come free within EVE... but if it does, PC players will just crush console players (Mouse vs Gamepad ? yeah, right)... I don't really know what can be good for us, PC players. /I'm french, sorry if you don't understand me :o\ |
Crimson Tail
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:55:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Delianora planetary assault vehicles NPC item--just bought 1million
small arms NPC item--just bought 900000
lets get moving, traders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do not really believe that these standard npc items are the ones that are going to be used in groundcombat do you? right? riittttee?
i bet we will have to produce these items. since the one alliance that dumps more into a specific ground battle will most likely prevail there. and just buying npc items would be slightly to easy i wouold think.
Thsi changes the whole ball-game though!!! You can have anyone feeding a resistance to these large alliances! If people group together and feed resistance to say, goons getting sov on a planet, then that group can feed ISK/weapons to those mercs to fight them. It is no longer just a two sided battle!! We could actually see neutral players get involved in terms of money/weapons for the ground troops to fight with.
Large PR campaigns will draw in support from many groups. This tactic I think would work for groups against the big alliance MORE than for them. Most people root for the underdog. And now that those people might actually be able to help them without losing their precious ships.... It has promise!!
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Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:56:00 -
[419]
wow... just amazing. If Dust ties into EVE the way it seems it will, I see this as a way to get some friends/family who think EVE is too complicated now involved in some way.
as for the meaning of the 514.. listen closely.. he states that there is a form of cloning now avail for troops and that the name ties in to that.. I now predict that the 514 is the number of clones a dust player has available before they can no longer be cloned. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Ga'len
The Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:01:00 -
[420]
Edited by: Ga''len on 18/08/2009 17:02:28
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ...
6. I want to see chribba fighting on a veldspar roid in all his epic glory
...
I don't care what anyone says, this one wins the thread.
So, are we going to have the Chribba Special Ops unit where they all get a Veldspar tatoo?
/emote gets visual of Chribba standing on the highest peak on a Veldspar roid, speaking with a Duke Nukem voice, "It's all about the Veld, baby."
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:02:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Cors ****.. We contract the DUST ground pounders.. that means the alliance's with all the moons can hire a LOT more ground pounders then the ones who don't...
Which will be different from them being able to buy a LOT more dreads, right?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:05:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Rootax
Originally by: Nova Satar errr, why not on PC?
Consoles have inferior graphics and ****ty controls.
I guess we will have the answer pretty soon. I hope at Fanfest... The perfect scenario for me that it will come free within EVE... but if it does, PC players will just crush console players (Mouse vs Gamepad ? yeah, right)... I don't really know what can be good for us, PC players.
Hmmm if it's a 5E/month extra onto my sub, then that would be great. I reckon half of EvE would sign up for that.
I have no comment to make about mouse vs gamepad because I've never owned a console, but can't the new generation of consoles use mice & keyboards? I'm sure I vaguely recall that they can.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:08:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Malcanis
I have no comment to make about mouse vs gamepad because I've never owned a console, but can't the new generation of consoles use mice & keyboards? I'm sure I vaguely recall that they can.
maybe but i think mouse/keyboard are rarely used by consoleers
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Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar Peces Of Eighte Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:08:00 -
[424]
If it's console only that would suck, cause then it would be either or xbox/ps3 if we lucky for wii owners like me on wii which is highly unlikely.
There should be one for PC :/ or it will just be limited to console players and suck for alot of other people.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:10:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Oghma Grianainech If it's console only that would suck, cause then it would be either or xbox/ps3 if we lucky for wii owners like me on wii which is highly unlikely.
There should be one for PC :/ or it will just be limited to console players and suck for alot of other people.
from what is currently known its at least for both xbox360 and ps3. they havent said anything yet about other platforms
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:10:00 -
[426]
Speculation :RAGE: is the best :RAGE:
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:11:00 -
[427]
Yarrrrr ... finally a way to spend my ISK! Die for me TrooperS! Die!!!
rawwrr.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:12:00 -
[428]
i'm going to pwn you all. it's genetic. (Murphys have more fast twitch muscle fiber )
---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
Rootax
Gallente Aeon Cores Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:13:00 -
[429]
I'm curious. How console players, who maybe don't know EVE, react to this announcement ? If the game makes a flop, and nearly nobody's is online 24/24, it's will suck for us too, if we can't order ground attack ...
Well, lots of questions, i hope CCP will enlightened us.
---------------------------------- - I'm french, sorry if you don't understand me - |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:14:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Speculation :RAGE: is the best :RAGE:
Confirming this. Rage of the finest purity, uncontaminated by mere filthy facts.
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Sigvald Gottschalk
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:17:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Speculation :RAGE: is the best :RAGE:
Nice alliance bro.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:19:00 -
[432]
I will say this:
(1) CCP know that their entire existing customer base are by definition PC users
(2) CCP would be beyond insane not to want their existing customer base to be able to play Dust, since there's only 1 FPS game that all EvE players will be interested in, but dozens that console owners can be be interested in.
(3) Let's wait until we have all the facts in before we conclude that CCP are kitten-murdering demon-spawn who live soley to make our miserable existance an unending torment.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:20:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Sigvald Gottschalk
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Speculation :RAGE: is the best :RAGE:
Nice alliance bro.
Annnd you are......?
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innot
Minmatar Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:24:00 -
[434]
Interesting...
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:24:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Malcanis
(2) CCP would be beyond insane not to want their existing customer base to be able to play Dust, since there's only 1 FPS game that all EvE players will be interested in, but dozens that console owners can be be interested in.
theres one reason to not let them: the hacking and cheating that comes with pc fps games
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:29:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Nova Satar consoles and pc cant cross over afaik, and seeing as its an mmo, pc AND console wont work
What do you mean by "cross over"? They can't run the same code, no, nor is it advisable to use the same UI for both, but that's about it.
Originally by: Malcanis I have no comment to make about mouse vs gamepad because I've never owned a console, but can't the new generation of consoles use mice & keyboards? I'm sure I vaguely recall that they can.
Yes they can. The consoles themselves accept any standard USB HID device — the question is just whether the game in question reads and makes use of the input. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
JamesTalon
Caldari The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:31:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Speculation :RAGE: is the best :RAGE:
I support the application of rage
"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan |
Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:34:00 -
[438]
this is so unbelievably awesome I don't even know how to explain. on so many levels.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:40:00 -
[439]
So you'll need your PVP main, scout alt, market alt, isk making alt & now console alt?
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
Grathar
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:40:00 -
[440]
(sigh) me orders console from newegg
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:42:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Grathar
(sigh) me orders console from newegg
rofl
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Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar Peces Of Eighte Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:42:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Oghma Grianainech If it's console only that would suck, cause then it would be either or xbox/ps3 if we lucky for wii owners like me on wii which is highly unlikely.
There should be one for PC :/ or it will just be limited to console players and suck for alot of other people.
from what is currently known its at least for both xbox360 and ps3. they havent said anything yet about other platforms
RAGEEEEEEE... Thank you CCP for not allowing us the players of eve online to play on this and even better we now are expected to buy a concole+game just so we can feel like we are still part of eve. A nice middle finger form CCP.
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Arth Lawing
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:42:00 -
[443]
Very, very exciting. Until the word console. Tried to right click and block then. Surely it's almost time for new consoles anyways and then it can all go into the bin with last christmas' half eaten tins of biscuits.
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Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar Peces Of Eighte Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:43:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Yakumo Smith So you'll need your PVP main, scout alt, market alt, isk making alt & now console alt?
Can I buys your sig ?
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:51:00 -
[445]
Funny. Someone had a write-up on this on Aug 5th ;) Linkage
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:52:00 -
[446]
This will never happen - mark my words
SKUNK (o)
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OOPS iJustBlasted
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:53:00 -
[447]
GNARLY!
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:54:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Ga'len Edited by: Ga''len on 18/08/2009 17:02:28
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ...
6. I want to see chribba fighting on a veldspar roid in all his epic glory
...
I don't care what anyone says, this one wins the thread. So, are we going to have the Chribba Special Ops unit where they all get a Veldspar tatoo?
/emote gets visual of Chribba standing on the highest peak on a Veldspar roid, speaking with a Duke Nukem voice, "It's all about the Veld, baby."
\o/ I won a thread? or at least a page??? Free beer and exotic dancers for everyone!!!
oh and, just imagine that sight but with the veldatar in the bg with mining lasers tearing up the enemy ground forces --------------------------
WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Devirus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:56:00 -
[449]
Lets save all the emo rage and crying untill after we found out exactly how much of a part of claiming SOV this will effect, for all we know its going to only have a 10% effect on claiming sov...
Or maybe if your planet is being invaded you cant cyno-jam the system, or build capitals there or whatever, or maybe it wont make a diffrence at all.
Lets have a group unbunching of the panties ladies.
For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve, it certainly looks like a hell of alot of fun :D Never Defeated. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:56:00 -
[450]
This may end up being a great thing or a horrible failure depending on implementation. The only thing that is certain is, that it's good day to be a forum *****.
*breathes in the drama and the rage*
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 17:59:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Le Skunk This will never happen - mark my words
SKUNK
What is not. From what i have seen its happening. want to make a bet Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Lady Puket
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:04:00 -
[452]
"The project has been in development at CCP Shanghai for almost three years, and a release date and target consoles were not announced."
I'm pretty sure its happening.
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JamesTalon
Caldari The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:11:00 -
[453]
I can't see it not coming out. One reason I imagine it will be for consoles is that it means you KNOW what kind of hardware your working with, which will make it more stable.
Hopefully, it also means finally being able to actually bomb planets
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:13:00 -
[454]
It sounds interesting but if they ****block space conquest by requiring ground conquest then it could have disastrous effects on EVE MMO itself. I doubt many EVErs are avid console players so will force a melding of the 30+ PC gamers with the 6+ Console players, it will get ugly. You think Goons are bad on CAOD...
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:15:00 -
[455]
Originally by: Arthur Rage I hate consoles -> Consoles only -> EPIC FAIL.
The only fun thing would be to gank them all day long from space
Blow up troop transports, supply transports, raining hell on em orbital bombardment style, that would be OK with me.
Ther that that, if it is freakin pathetic consoles only then CCP sure deserves my hate, it's like kicking most of the playerbase in the nutz.
After reading a bunch of posts like these, and the amount of unnecessary hate towards console gamers, it seems the playerbase needs a kick in the "nutz." Get teabagged on Halo one too many times?
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:16:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Veldya It sounds interesting but if they ****block space conquest by requiring ground conquest then it could have disastrous effects on EVE MMO itself. I doubt many EVErs are avid console players so will force a melding of the 30+ PC gamers with the 6+ Console players, it will get ugly. You think Goons are bad on CAOD...
Originally by: Devirus Lets save all the emo rage and crying untill after we found out exactly how much of a part of claiming SOV this will effect, for all we know its going to only have a 10% effect on claiming sov...
Or maybe if your planet is being invaded you cant cyno-jam the system, or build capitals there or whatever, or maybe it wont make a diffrence at all.
Lets have a group unbunching of the panties ladies.
For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve, it certainly looks like a hell of alot of fun :D
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:16:00 -
[457]
Maybe CCP can figure out something for me to do with all those Exotic Dancers in my hold now...
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:17:00 -
[458]
Why do so many people here get so angry whenever something new is given to us? This is awesome. In every way. The EvE universe just got a hundred times richer.
Are so many players really in love with POS warfare and currently existing powerblocs?
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:18:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Emperor Cheney Why do so many people here get so angry whenever something new is given to us? This is awesome. In every way. The EvE universe just got a hundred times richer.
Are so many players really in love with POS warfare and currently existing powerblocs?
this
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Lady Puket
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:18:00 -
[460]
Originally by: Emperor Cheney Why do so many people here get so angry whenever something new is given to us? This is awesome. In every way. The EvE universe just got a hundred times richer.
Are so many players really in love with POS warfare and currently existing powerblocs?
Seriously, POS warfare is about as dry and boring as it gets in gaming. I can't think of anything more interesting than telling hundreds of console gamers to sacrifice themselves for planetary conquest on behalf of my alliance (lulz).
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Defqon
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:19:00 -
[461]
to bate was hooping for a fps about the eve universe as a single player story game but not this :( olso se no reason why this wuld not be on pc ? its a FPS ?
to bate CCP doint like this i feal riptoff some how
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:20:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Defqon
to bate was hooping for a fps about the eve universe as a single player story game but not this :( olso se no reason why this wuld not be on pc ? its a FPS ?
to bate CCP doint like this i feal riptoff some how
your stuffz, can i haz? lulz
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:21:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Lady Puket
Seriously, POS warfare is about as dry and boring as it gets in gaming. I can't think of anything more interesting than telling hundreds of console gamers to sacrifice themselves for planetary conquest on behalf of my alliance (lulz).
totally agreed
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Drake Dracoli
EXTERMINATUS. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:26:00 -
[464]
Is that real, *REAL* in-game footage or just real *fake* "in game footage"? |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:27:00 -
[465]
*watches console gamers fight over planet* *watches console gamers screw up and fail even while the REAL fight is won* *watches a Titan enter planetary orbit and fire off its doomsday, obliterating the surface and all the moronic CS kiddies* ----
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:28:00 -
[466]
I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:29:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
makes eve online ingame politics even more realistic
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:33:00 -
[468]
tbh I liked the mature aged people of EVE, I don't think I will relate well to people who's ***** is smaller than their joystick.
Headshot! BOOM!
Ugh...
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:34:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
makes eve online ingame politics even more realistic
How so? We already have eve-mercenaries, nothing new in that regard. What bothers me is that, if i understood some comments right, Dust troopers might become mandatory. Not mandatory like a dread, but mandatory like having to hire a merc corp.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:35:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
You want a Big Red Button[tm]. You click it. You now have sovereignty over the whole region.
A boring game, is what you want.
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:37:00 -
[471]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
You want a Big Red Button[tm]. You click it. You now have sovereignty over the whole region.
A boring game, is what you want.
What has the ability to defend my space myself, without any third party people, to do with a boring game?
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:42:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus
How so? We already have eve-mercenaries, nothing new in that regard. What bothers me is that, if i understood some comments right, Dust troopers might become mandatory. Not mandatory like a dread, but mandatory like having to hire a merc corp.
This reminds me of the argument that comes up over and over when talking about hi-sec wardecs. What do you do when wardeced and you do not have your own combat wing? You are told to hire mercs. This seems pretty much the same.. if you are uninterested in maintaining your own ground troops then be prepared to hire a corp that does.
Or more realistically, existing alliances will probably start building up groups of player corps internally who do want to play that way and poof, internal ground troops.
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Rovan Stargazer
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:43:00 -
[473]
Edited by: Rovan Stargazer on 18/08/2009 18:43:15 I just hope this game will be awailible for PC at some point. I realy like the concept. But i'm not buying a console just because i want to play one game.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:44:00 -
[474]
Come on people. We will not know any of the facts for a while. Just wait will you and CCP have not saif that a pc version will not come out if you remember. Cant belive the console rage, i enjoy a good session of console play after playing eve to much. Playing Dust will allow me to play eve fps and still be involved in this awesome universe whether on console or pc. You rule CCP Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:45:00 -
[475]
Originally by: LordSwift Come on people. We will not know any of the facts for a while. Just wait will you and CCP have not saif that a pc version will not come out if you remember. Cant belive the console rage, i enjoy a good session of console play after playing eve to much. Playing Dust will allow me to play eve fps and still be involved in this awesome universe whether on console or pc. You rule CCP
i cant get all the console rage either. i mean, if its only for console and someone doesnt have one or doesnt buy one, they lose nothing. they can just keep on playing eve as if nothing happened..
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:46:00 -
[476]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 18/08/2009 18:46:40
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: LordSwift Come on people. We will not know any of the facts for a while. Just wait will you and CCP have not saif that a pc version will not come out if you remember. Cant belive the console rage, i enjoy a good session of console play after playing eve to much. Playing Dust will allow me to play eve fps and still be involved in this awesome universe whether on console or pc. You rule CCP
i cant get all the console rage either. i mean, if its only for console and someone doesnt have one or doesnt buy one, they lose nothing. they can just keep on playing eve as if nothing happened..
Except for the minor "crap you work to keep control of in Eve directly affected by console-only FPS morons" bit. ----
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FuSiOn 92
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:48:00 -
[477]
i dont like the ideea ...
2 games makeing a diffrence in only 1 ?
make dust just a JFF game not a multiscale complicated game ...
eve is already complicated
and once again why should us eve payers pay for another game ?
we dont have 4 hands
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:48:00 -
[478]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Except for the minor "crap you work to keep control of in Eve directly affected by console-only FPS morons" bit.
well ok i agree, but thats another story. i was specifically referring to the complaints about not being able to play dust as a pc player
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:49:00 -
[479]
Since i dont deal with all the 0.0 crap then it wont affect me. hehe Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:51:00 -
[480]
Originally by: LordSwift Since i dont deal with all the 0.0 crap then it wont affect me. hehe
i guess it will, since youre most likely able to produce ground combat stuff, and maybe sell it to the alliances who then drop it to the planet to support their troops. at least thats how i udnerstood it
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:53:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
Why are people assuming the grunts have to be some third party? Are you people so damn elitist that you would refuse to fraternize with the consoleers? Seriously.. get a grip people.. these people can end up being as much a part of the alliance as the carebears you all hate to hang with as well... ;-)
Intel/Nomad |
LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:56:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I dislike the concept, mainly because i dislike the idea of having to rely on a third party just to defend my space.
Why are people assuming the grunts have to be some third party? Are you people so damn elitist that you would refuse to fraternize with the consoleers? Seriously.. get a grip people.. these people can end up being as much a part of the alliance as the carebears you all hate to hang with as well... ;-)
to right man. CCP have thought long and hard about this. They wont of spent three years on this if it was not going to be good. I already have my younger brother who cant pay for his account on eve willing to do my killing for me in dust. Join the brown Coats today!!! |
Bud Johnson
Capital Ships Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:03:00 -
[483]
Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:05:00 -
[484]
Originally by: Bud Johnson Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
mmo fps rts to be exact :p
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:07:00 -
[485]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Bud Johnson Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
mmo fps rts to be exact :p
…much like good old PS. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Rootax
Gallente Aeon Cores Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:11:00 -
[486]
Except it's on console only (for now...).
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:11:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Bud Johnson Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
mmo fps rts to be exact :p
àmuch like good old PS.
dunno what PS is, but id think of it to be much like battlefield 2142, with infantry and armored units all around. would be cool to have battlemechs as well. and with a central commander.
would also be nice if we could advance much like in bf2142, with medals and whatnot, and unlock new weaponry as we advance through the ranks
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PoorManBoy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:14:00 -
[488]
Only thing i can think of, "Nuke it from orbit" would be awesome if they designate targets on the surface, and we are able to lock on and fire at them, probably a bit to much in all likelihood.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:15:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: Bud Johnson Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
mmo fps rts to be exact :p
…much like good old PS.
dunno what PS is, but id think of it to be much like battlefield 2142, with infantry and armored units all around. would be cool to have battlemechs as well. and with a central commander.
would also be nice if we could advance much like in bf2142, with medals and whatnot, and unlock new weaponry as we advance through the ranks
PS = Planetside. BF2142 is essentially a weak low-player-count version of PS. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Lilian Imp
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:21:00 -
[490]
Edited by: Lilian Imp on 18/08/2009 19:21:53 Oh god, please save EVE from BF2142-sh!t... tribes, ps, whatever... just not that EA crap.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:27:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Clansworth Are you people so damn elitist that you would refuse to fraternize with the consoleers?
Yes.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:29:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Bud Johnson Ive been waiting for a new MMOFPS sense planetside jumped the shark. The fact that it is coming from CCP just cost me a pair of jeans.
Dont be ridiculous. I've never heard anything so dumb in all my life.
Those jeans will wash up just fine
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:36:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
Originally by: Clansworth Are you people so damn elitist that you would refuse to fraternize with the consoleers?
Yes.
Sucks to be you, then.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:37:00 -
[494]
I know you are reading this thread, CCP. Reading and laughing. I just want you to know, I'm on to your game. -omg-
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:41:00 -
[495]
Maybe Ambulation is where the 2 systems meet... People in the MMO will walk side by side with FPS players... do some chatting... smack talk..and then the Capsuleer walks to the hanger... the Dustman goes to the transport...
From there... the MMO and the FPS go to their separate games.
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:42:00 -
[496]
Goons are a huge powerhouse in Eve, and they have a forum which can donate a massive meatshield of 13 year old kids that don't understand Eve but probably rock at Halo. I for one welcome our new goon overlords!
Seriously though from an MMO perspective, this has the potential to be truly epic so long as both sides can do their thing, integrate and have a reasonable bearing on each others game.
Allowing years of alliance building to be destroyed by a few players on DUST 514 would be business suicide for CCP, but I don't think they are that stupid. If anything as said before, DUST 514 will hopefully boost the playerbase of Eve and allow CCP to have more revenue to spend on our beautiful game.
The whole idea sounds very intriguing, and for me personally it might allow myself and friends to play the same game again. They never really got on with Eve back when I started (due to being more casual when it comes to gaming). Hopefully my 50mil sp can come in handy for them.
Anyways why all the hate for console gamers? I didn't think so many PC gamers were elitist and quick to slander, it's pretty childish and ironic.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:43:00 -
[497]
I for one welcome our new consoleer overlords.
ok on a side note, WHO SAYS CCP won't cut a deal with existing EvE users and allow us to play both with only 1 fee? Seriously CCP loves us, if they dont allow that, they might give us a huge discount to play both. That being said hush everyone on that.
What you dont realize is, that it is all coming together now. WIS, Planetary Interaction, All out warfare, stocks markets, useless trade goods from missions being worth something. Soon everything we have hoped and dreamed for will all come true.
EvE Gods help us all when the new full EvE Galaxy war starts again.
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WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:45:00 -
[498]
updated the thread with a fresh interview:
Del Torres has just found a fresh interview with CCP ceo on krawall.de, which happened after the show, and has translated it already, see in this thread: Linkage
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Kyra Neve
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:49:00 -
[499]
Playing FPS and RTS game with console is like trying to saw off your leg with your fingernails.................. |
RabbidFerret
Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:53:00 -
[500]
Cant....stop....mangasming |
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Kyra Neve
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:53:00 -
[501]
Real question is this...
Is CCP trying to bail out from EVE? |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:56:00 -
[502]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/08/2009 19:56:37 Guess all those years of "World Domination" speeches by Hilmar are starting to make a difference, if they pull this off, it will be quite epic. Talk about meta-game.
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Max Torps
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:02:00 -
[503]
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Guess all those years of "World Domination" speeches by Hilmar are starting to make a difference, if they pull this off, it will be quite epic. Talk about meta-game.
Yep, if this is pulled off right, it will start a trend amongst other companies... I love the idea of this.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:04:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Max Torps
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Guess all those years of "World Domination" speeches by Hilmar are starting to make a difference, if they pull this off, it will be quite epic. Talk about meta-game.
Yep, if this is pulled off right, it will start a trend amongst other companies... I love the idea of this.
if this is pulled off right, it will shake the whole mmo world into its fundaments. talk about "next generation mmorpgs"
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:07:00 -
[505]
If sovereignty warfare lands in the hands of the XBox Live crowd this is going to be horrible.
On the other hand, if I can fill my covops with a team of FPS dudes, sneak them into a system, and send them on a commando raid to knock out the hostile cyno jammer it would be the most kickin' rad thing ever.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:11:00 -
[506]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/08/2009 20:11:55
Originally by: Scatim Helicon If sovereignty warfare lands in the hands of the XBox Live crowd this is going to be horrible.
On the other hand, if I can fill my covops with a team of FPS dudes, sneak them into a system, and send them on a commando raid to knock out the hostile cyno jammer it would be the most kickin' rad thing ever.
Think a bit bigger than that. If Black-Ops actually get their Cyno-jammer proof jump-drive gate in a small fleet of recons carrying troops and wreak havoc throughout the system, then bring in the big guns to mop up and stabilise control.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:17:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Think a bit bigger than that. If Black-Ops actually get their Cyno-jammer proof jump-drive gate in a small fleet of recons carrying troops and wreak havoc throughout the system, then bring in the big guns to mop up and stabilise control.
I assume we'll be dropping some sort of clone vat system so a) console gamers don't have to sit round in ships twiddling their thumbs and b) unable to grief them by jet-canning them or self destructing the ship etc
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In4r4
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:23:00 -
[508]
Whats funny is there isn't a single mention about this on either the UK/US PS3 or 360 forums
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:25:00 -
[509]
Originally by: In4r4 Whats funny is there isn't a single mention about this on either the UK/US PS3 or 360 forums
It's almost as if they don't give a **** about another FPS.
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:26:00 -
[510]
Thats because it hasn't been on G4 yet.. ;-)
Intel/Nomad |
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:30:00 -
[511]
Originally by: TeaDaze
I assume we'll be dropping some sort of clone vat system so a) console gamers don't have to sit round in ships twiddling their thumbs and b) unable to grief them by jet-canning them or self destructing the ship etc
That is probably what it'll come down to I assume. The troops themselves shouldn't be live, that would make things rather boring. Just drop a clone-factory to the surface as a sort of insertion pod and let them sort things out on the ground. Send in support vehicles as you are able, and have fun.
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Rulkez
Gentlemen Bastards
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:30:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Ruby Khann
Originally by: In4r4 Whats funny is there isn't a single mention about this on either the UK/US PS3 or 360 forums
It's almost as if they don't give a **** about another FPS.
No wai ! I find it hilarious CCP think console gamers will buy into another new FPS , this time with added monthly sub , and that they think they will stay around long enough to sustain the game.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:34:00 -
[513]
There's no doubt that the biggest and safest market opportunity for CCP is this EVE Online community - they are the most likely to buy a new EVE related game. However, forcing them to use a console will cut significantly into number of people willing to buy this product.
CCP may be trying to target new audiences, completely new people, even tho that would bring less money in short term.
Still, they should have at least supported PC audience.
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EX Cmd
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:38:00 -
[514]
Edited by: EX Cmd on 18/08/2009 20:40:28 I have been wanting RTS and FPS element in eve online, but not like this. I wanted them as part of the mmo that we already play as one game. I really hope that FPS and RTS elements are incorporated into EVE Online on the PC in the future. I definitely will NOT buy this game because it's on a console and not fully part of EVE Online. I would be willing to buy it if it was released for the PC as an EVE Online expansion (fully integrated into the current game) that I had to pay for. The wait continues .
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:43:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Rulkez
Originally by: Ruby Khann
Originally by: In4r4 Whats funny is there isn't a single mention about this on either the UK/US PS3 or 360 forums
It's almost as if they don't give a **** about another FPS.
No wai ! I find it hilarious CCP think console gamers will buy into another new FPS , this time with added monthly sub , and that they think they will stay around long enough to sustain the game.
If this game is what it promises, it offers something no other FPS game has: consequences. Seeing your clan not just ruling some stats, but actually taking territory, and being respected on message boards for accomplishments - that's something that has to appeal. I'm not an FPS gamer, but I have to think that consequences and a political map has a lot of appeal, just as that had enough appeal to me to get me into this here spaceship game.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:44:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
If this game is what it promises, it offers something no other FPS game has: consequences. Seeing your clan not just ruling some stats, but actually taking territory, and being respected on message boards for accomplishments - that's something that has to appeal. I'm not an FPS gamer, but I have to think that consequences and a political map has a lot of appeal, just as that had enough appeal to me to get me into this here spaceship game.
agreed, i think this will appeal to alot of consoleers
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:53:00 -
[517]
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
If this game is what it promises, it offers something no other FPS game has: consequences. Seeing your clan not just ruling some stats, but actually taking territory, and being respected on message boards for accomplishments - that's something that has to appeal. I'm not an FPS gamer, but I have to think that consequences and a political map has a lot of appeal, just as that had enough appeal to me to get me into this here spaceship game.
agreed, i think this will appeal to alot of consoleers
Actually, while that is a nice idea and many people even fear it to be true, I seriously doubt that CCP would allow FPS gamers to have any control over 0.0 sov - or even interfere with 0.0 alliances in any meaningful way.
You only have to look at CCP's implementation of Faction Warfare to understand what I mean. This new FPS thing is going to be very similar - there will be new goals and objects, but they will have 0 impact on actual game world. Nothing in FW really matters - no real system sec changes, no station take overs, absolutely no impact on anyone not wanting to participate.
If CCP was too afraid to have consequences for FW, what makes people seriously believe they will be different for something even bigger and more important - such as 0.0 sov?
No, for better or worse, we will not see planet-side FPS have deciding factor in 0.0 sov or alliance 0.0 warfare.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:53:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Drake Dracoli Is that real, *REAL* in-game footage or just real *fake* "in game footage"?
Actually I'm starting to wonder that myself. It looks a little too polished to be ingame and we all know how ccp loves to make those omg pretty videos with 'ingame' footage.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:55:00 -
[519]
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 18/08/2009 20:56:29
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Drake Dracoli Is that real, *REAL* in-game footage or just real *fake* "in game footage"?
Actually I'm starting to wonder that myself. It looks a little too polished to be ingame and we all know how ccp loves to make those omg pretty videos with 'ingame' footage.
If it does look like that when it comes out, I know there's a shooter I may just play more than Bad Company 2.
Edit: Plus, EVE realised and shown from ground-level is definitely, definitely welcome.
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Corozan Aspinall
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:57:00 -
[520]
If WiS is the pc version of Dust ie we cant fps but we can command etc in conjunction with the usual eve space fleet battles it will be epic.
I expect there will be a pc port of the fps eventually, but dont panic, ccp is already in bed with microsoft and co.
I also think CCP rightly predicts that the vast majority of eve players wont give two hoots about fps combat but will instead be creaming their pants over the command and logisitcal potential of WiS/Dust.
Being able to perform battlefield support roles and what have you would be awesome, but I can see a WiS that is primarily as planned, originally, just less vague and evidently aimed at being a top tier of Dust's more blood n guts actioneering.
I think, this is sincerely, the single most ambitious project ever created in persietant worlds. I'm really, truly, excited.
Bravo CCP!
I hope it works. I really do.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:15:00 -
[521]
maybe dust claming system would be only for <0.5 (lowsec) system that are NPC owned? not player owned? ---
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GodsWill
Amarr Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:25:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Fredou maybe dust claming system would be only for <0.5 (lowsec) system that are NPC owned? not player owned?
It says "Intaki system" in the lower left corner in the beginning of the trailer. A 0.1 system. So propably only low sec. Maybe this will be the change of low sec that the forums have been screaming for?
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:29:00 -
[523]
Originally by: GodsWill
Originally by: Fredou maybe dust claming system would be only for <0.5 (lowsec) system that are NPC owned? not player owned?
It says "Intaki system" in the lower left corner in the beginning of the trailer. A 0.1 system. So propably only low sec. Maybe this will be the change of low sec that the forums have been screaming for?
ok this would be nice, but still: low sec does not have any sov mechanics
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:30:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
If this game is what it promises, it offers something no other FPS game has: consequences. Seeing your clan not just ruling some stats, but actually taking territory, and being respected on message boards for accomplishments - that's something that has to appeal. I'm not an FPS gamer, but I have to think that consequences and a political map has a lot of appeal, just as that had enough appeal to me to get me into this here spaceship game.
agreed, i think this will appeal to alot of consoleers
Actually, while that is a nice idea and many people even fear it to be true, I seriously doubt that CCP would allow FPS gamers to have any control over 0.0 sov - or even interfere with 0.0 alliances in any meaningful way.
You only have to look at CCP's implementation of Faction Warfare to understand what I mean. This new FPS thing is going to be very similar - there will be new goals and objects, but they will have 0 impact on actual game world. Nothing in FW really matters - no real system sec changes, no station take overs, absolutely no impact on anyone not wanting to participate.
If CCP was too afraid to have consequences for FW, what makes people seriously believe they will be different for something even bigger and more important - such as 0.0 sov?
No, for better or worse, we will not see planet-side FPS have deciding factor in 0.0 sov or alliance 0.0 warfare.
maybe its really only for low sec. but then theyd have to implement souvereignity to low sec, making low sec...ummm....
a bit different to say the least, than it is now
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Markesian
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:34:00 -
[525]
Dear CCP
I know its been said already, i know you probably wont read or respond to this, but i gotta say my piece regardless: Making a console only game, tied into eve, is the DUMBEST most self defeating move since Blizzard excluded LAN games from Starcraft II. Honestly it may even top that "foot, meet shotgun" moment
Consoles offer sleek, stilyzed self contained experiences, even the ones that make heavy use of community. They are like movies really, you watch it, watch it again with friends and then head off towards the next blockbuster. You are targeting a demographic with a very short attention span, be they old or young, they are all console-gamers. The game format is contained in the device itself: compact, standalone, complete. The DUST'ers will never truely get involved with the scope of things, and so they'll move on, eventually they will. If you do this i guarentee you that in 5 years, eve will be live and kicking, and DUST514 will be one of those half rumors the old hands throw around at the gatecamp.
And that dosent even take into account how utterly crappy a gamepad is for FPS and RTS games. Infact you'd be hard pressed to find worse genres to shoohorn into a console.
Nice looking game CCP, really. Very very nice, but a wasted effort, doomed to obscurity at birth, forgotten by the next E3.
There, thats my complaint, all done.
P.S. Why in the name if all that is holy didn't you integrate this into the client or release it to PC. We'd pay extra you know we would, you JUST went over all the RMT stuff, i can't even imagine the actual rl currency involved in those numbers. You KNOW we'd pay. so whywhywhywhywhy
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Mystical Dawn
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:38:00 -
[526]
Funny part...
Anyone with enough real money, like Russian tycoon, can actually buy the whole 0.0 with ISK by buying GTC's. Whee!
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Don Cordelion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:41:00 -
[527]
Originally by: Rulkez
No wai ! I find it hilarious CCP think console gamers will buy into another new FPS , this time with added monthly sub , and that they think they will stay around long enough to sustain the game.
How many MMOFPS games there are out there?
Yeah, thought so.
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:44:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Don Cordelion
Originally by: Rulkez
No wai ! I find it hilarious CCP think console gamers will buy into another new FPS , this time with added monthly sub , and that they think they will stay around long enough to sustain the game.
How many MMOFPS games there are out there?
Yeah, thought so.
www.battlegroundeurope.com
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:47:00 -
[529]
The way i see the planetary combat easily integrating into the eve universe in real time would be with planetary bombardment.
Make it so that a friendly sieged dreadnought near your planet = you can call an orbital strike.
That's the simplest way to do it, anyway.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:48:00 -
[530]
I rather imagine that to be able to bring DUST troops into the Sov fight for a planet, you will need to have a POS on at least one of the moons of that planet.
This would mean that your combat prowess in EVE would determine whether or not DUST troops even enter into the Sov equation.
It is also quite possible that you own can have a POS at the majority of the moons at a contested planet, but still loose control of the planet (and its accompanying Sov) if your opponent makes the DUST contract lucurative enough, or has their own group of skilled DUST players dedicated to the task, or simply supplies them with more and better equipment than you do... bringing about the defeat of your own ground based forces there.
The average rank and file DUST player could possibly care less, if he is just there for the in-your-face combat.
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Nigggle
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:49:00 -
[531]
Edited by: Nigggle on 18/08/2009 21:50:29 Who exactly is forcing you to buy Dust? No one, You can still attack / defend / take planets with this new system without using Dust.
They also havent ruled out a PC version, nor have they gone into any specifics about how any of it works.
Stop overreacting you idiots.
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Mystical Dawn
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:51:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Nigggle No one, You can still attack / defend / take planets with this new system without using Dust.
Stop overreacting you idiots.
I am sorry, but where that is stated?
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Nigggle
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:52:00 -
[533]
K: But this won't enable one to watch fights in DUST from within Eve and the other way? CCP: No. In the PC game you will make offers to DUST marines. This group of mercenaries, will be in the center of DUST. The marines accept the mission, if the conditions are right and the result will be sent back and influences the gameplay of the PC game. But there won't be a Spectator camera or similar things.
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Mystical Dawn
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:58:00 -
[534]
Originally by: Nigggle
K: But this won't enable one to watch fights in DUST from within Eve and the other way? CCP: No. In the PC game you will make offers to DUST marines. This group of mercenaries, will be in the center of DUST. The marines accept the mission, if the conditions are right and the result will be sent back and influences the gameplay of the PC game. But there won't be a Spectator camera or similar things.
Where in there is stated that you still can achieve sov completely without any dust marines?
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london
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:00:00 -
[535]
Is that a Proteus shooting missiles in the video? Sure looks like the Dissolution Sequencer front end.
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Aoi Kira
Gallente Bendebeukers
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:09:00 -
[536]
To quote from the video: "and DUST will become One of those inputs". As hilmar says it, there will be other ways to influence sov as well. I think all the panic about console gamers controling the sov in 0.0 is a tad over the edge.
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Eros Detannis
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:11:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Mystical Dawn Where in there is stated that you still can achieve sov completely without any dust marines?
He never said that. He said that you can still attack/defend/claim planets without playing DUST 514.
And this is true. You can request that the ground troops do it for you.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:16:00 -
[538]
There are two pages of Dust 514 threads. Game looks awesome. Of course if it looked bad at a presentation that would be epic fail.
Anyways can someone point me to the thread which discusses Dust vis a vis ambulation? IE I want ambulation how will this affect it? Positively negatively, not at all... Is there anywhere where CCP addresses this? In otherwords help me find the thread please.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:22:00 -
[539]
As somebody who hates console gamers and everything they stand for this brings sadness to me. This quote from the interview bit in particular really gets me:
CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter.
There *IS* no such thing as a good console shooter, just look at the abortion that is Team Fortress 2 on consoles, vs. TF2 on the PC. All of them are equally inferior to PC versions. I bet you won't even be able to rocket jump right in it. The lack of a PC version is deeply, deeply disappointing. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:39:00 -
[540]
If this goes thru in it's current form, I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:42:00 -
[541]
boring and old.
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DdraigX
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:45:00 -
[542]
Not sure if this has been posted but here is a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelS0u8i2C0
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:51:00 -
[543]
awsome
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.08.18 22:57:00 -
[544]
ok this is definately a sad day
i`ll give it a few more weeks to see if ccp confirms going on with this ****
If they do , well ,
Xeronn / Xerraaa & all there slaves thank you for a wonderfull 2.5 years in what was the best MMO around
fly safe
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.08.18 23:00:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Ephemeron There's no doubt that the biggest and safest market opportunity for CCP is this EVE Online community - they are the most likely to buy a new EVE related game. However, forcing them to use a console will cut significantly into number of people willing to buy this product.
CCP may be trying to target new audiences, completely new people, even tho that would bring less money in short term.
Still, they should have at least supported PC audience.
LOL @ NGE 2
Come on , they think eve players are potheads that love whatever turd ccp throws at them?
It`s terible enough that they figured such a relevant part of eve as sov should be decided by nothing more then monkey skills in a shoother
That it should allso be console...that`s ...well...i`m still in denial sorry :)
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:12:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Vanzatoarea ok this is definately a sad day
i`ll give it a few more weeks to see if ccp confirms going on with this ****
If they do , well ,
Xeronn / Xerraaa & all there slaves thank you for a wonderfull 2.5 years in what was the best MMO around
fly safe
Post with your mains and
CAN I HAVE UR STUFF PLZ!!! KTHX Have fun with WoW. --------------------------
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FOl2TY8
Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:17:00 -
[547]
The only way any of you guys will be completely happy is if someone engineers a game that will reach through your monitors and give you a hand job while simultaneously sending spam email about how much said hand is enjoying stroking your 9* inch dong.
*(size may be exaggerated) ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:44:00 -
[548]
Just reminded myself today that somewhere in 2004 or 2005 I saw some dude posting this idea of fps on the forums. Thought it would be interesting but CCP never would catch on and somehow these crazy mofos actually are implementing it and tying it into New Eden.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.19 01:03:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Drake Dracoli Is that real, *REAL* in-game footage or just real *fake* "in game footage"?
Actually I'm starting to wonder that myself. It looks a little too polished to be ingame and we all know how ccp loves to make those omg pretty videos with 'ingame' footage.
After 3 years, I would expect at least that much to be working. Think licensed engine.
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Milano
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Posted - 2009.08.19 01:09:00 -
[550]
i'm interested... let's see what happens
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:17:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Gamer4liff There *IS* no such thing as a good console shooter, just look at the abortion that is Team Fortress 2 on consoles, vs. TF2 on the PC. All of them are equally inferior to PC versions. I bet you won't even be able to rocket jump right in it. The lack of a PC version is deeply, deeply disappointing.
Yeah.. that makes sense.. every console shooter that has been released has been a total failure in the marketplace. That explains why Microsoft nearly went out of business when they released Halo 2 to a public that didn't want anything to do with it (only 8 million copies)... Then, they made the same mistake releasing Halo 3 (a measly 8.1 million)... I think the only console games to EVER sell more than those had Mario in the title. You're right... releasing a FPS console game is business suicide...
Why should we care about your opinion of what makes a good console game, when you start out by saying that you hate consoles and everything they stand for?
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:20:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Vanzatoarea It`s terible enough that they figured such a relevant part of eve as sov should be decided by nothing more then monkey skills in a shoother
Where did they say that? They said that the efforts of the 'monkeys' would be a PART of sov... This is all getting completely rediculous... The real shame is that not a single one of these unfounded emo ragers is actually going to quit. It would do such blessed things to the servers if they had...
Intel/Nomad |
Breaka
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:28:00 -
[553]
Edited by: Breaka on 19/08/2009 02:29:29 Interesting idea. There are a few problems that I hope they address.
1. The people who normally play on consoles and do not play PC games, (While I am not including everyone, obviously) are they going to actually pick up on a title that is a complex as eve is? Now I know that a lot of the aspects of how it interacts with the overall universe is probably going to be "Watered down" to compensate for A. Console limitations and B. To reach a wider audience. But speaking in general terms eve is so far gone from the console market I fail to see how the gamers of that platform can fit in seamlessly.
2. Coordination between the two games. How will this be accomplished effectively? I know lots of console gamers who are really great at console games, but give them TS or Vent and they would be completely lost. Things that are second hand to PC gamers aren't necessarily the same for the general console audience.
3. Call me biased, but I dont think that I am alone in that I dont really want to play games with a bunch of 8 year olds, eve's older gamer audience is one of its best points. If this ties into sov, imagine if you will, trying to discuss grand strategy with a bunch of kids on Xbox Live (who's demographics are much younger)
But hey, I think that the idea is inventive and could lead to greatness, the main hangup here is going to be seamlessly integrating the two communities.
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Inspect0r Cl0useau
Vandal Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:32:00 -
[554]
PC and console players mix like oil and water.
Which is why this concept is doomed to fail.
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Sarise Talei
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:41:00 -
[555]
So....
Battlefield 2142 is now an EVE shooter....
Plus I can wait to hear.... so did you guys get sov?? did the fleet battle go down??
....nope... teh caldari were camping the spawn point on the planet so we lost...
As if local could get any worse...now we can trash talk each other over Xbox Live??
ooooo MS points for isk!!!
I dont know how far out this thing really is, but IMHO shooters dont mix with gmes like EVE.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:45:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau PC and console players mix like oil and water.
Which is why this concept is doomed to fail.
Guess what. They are not mixing. The best you can hope atm from the current info is to chat with a dust commander who is accepting your contract to assault/defend one of your planets. Then the outcome will be a small factor in the new sov equation. Other than that there is zero interaction between eve and dust.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Gottii
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:26:00 -
[557]
anything that ****es off this many players, creates this much pure raw tears, must be awesome...im buying it
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Tyremis
The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:39:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Gottii anything that ****es off this many players, creates this much pure raw tears, must be awesome...im buying it
amen brotha
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Mr Elemental
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:30:00 -
[559]
I would be ok with this game if we would be able to play it on PC's but it looks like it will be a pure console game.
I just have one question. Will EvE players loose one whole EvE expansion just because of Dust? Developers will probably be busy with making connections between games, but overall, will we just get few features that will effect only Corp/Alliance PvP and nothing else because of Dust? No new toys next year?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:33:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Vanzatoarea i`ll give it a few more weeks to see if ccp confirms going on with this ****
How does the CEO of CCP standing on stage and telling the world they've been working on it for three years, and that it will be released Soon™ not count as "ccp confirms"? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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VOMIT BURGER
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:36:00 -
[561]
why dont ccp just develop a mouse and keyboard for use with the game consoles and dust. and the (cough money grab) "collectors eddition" comes with a mouse and keyboard that can be used to interface with the game
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:36:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Don Cordelion
Originally by: Rulkez
No wai ! I find it hilarious CCP think console gamers will buy into another new FPS , this time with added monthly sub , and that they think they will stay around long enough to sustain the game.
How many MMOFPS games there are out there?
5, I think.
Quote: Yeah, thought so.
How many did you think there were? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Michwich
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:35:00 -
[563]
Sounds cool, except shouldnt it be the other way around? Like put the exciting FPS game on computer and put the zzzzz spreadsheet game with limited controls on console?
As a PC gamer and FPS lover I give 0 credibility to any FPS on console for the simple fact they do nothing for the genre but give a watered down, outdated training wheel experience from their PC counterparts. They are behind in almost every aspect from game design to controls. The only thing worse than a FPS game on console is developers developing on console who can be safely viewed as sellouts. But I guess I already had this view of CCP, so nothing new. But FPS games on consoles will suck gauranteed for another couple years until the consoles at leaste get modern FPS controlers among other things.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:48:00 -
[564]
Holy Cow! Sov will depend on ground wars?
Ahhhh the rewards of SOV just got harder. Well folks, this is THE FIX for SOV we have been waiting for. |
VonCruix
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:50:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Holy Cow! Sov will depend on ground wars?
Holding ground has always depended on the Ground Forces in the past, why not the future?
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Pandemonium Heresy
Amarr Interstellar Commodity and Product Exchange
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:52:00 -
[566]
That actually looks pretty sick. I mean, I won't play it, I don't have a consol and I'm **** at FPS, but still looks pretty cool. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:15:00 -
[567]
Eve has been "dying" for years on end.
When I first started subscribing in 2006, I was stupid enough to worry that some of the people claiming that it was knew what they were talking about.
They didn't.
And you pile of noisemakers who are saying it now?
No difference.
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cheet sheet
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:23:00 -
[568]
This is only a good thing but please ccp. I dont know how but keep the 8 year olds away from us oil and water so on. I have xbox live i play online there all kids i dont use the mic as i get fed up of someone trying to play music down the mic........
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:32:00 -
[569]
Make it so you have to have an EVE Account. 8 Year Kid problem solved. No parent is going to pay $15 a month for a console game. Also HIGH LEARNING CURVE (CLIFF) is ftw.
Remember guys this is only one part of the new Sov Mechanic. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:33:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Michwich
As a PC gamer and FPS lover I give 0 credibility to any FPS on console for the simple fact they do nothing for the genre but give a watered down, outdated training wheel experience from their PC counterparts.
i think dust isnt meant to be dominated by those with the highest twitch skillz. it will be dominated by the side that can deploy more equipment (this is where the eve alliance comes into play) and has the better tactics.
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Arestan
Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:35:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Clansworth
Yeah.. that makes sense.. every console shooter that has been released has been a total failure in the marketplace. That explains why Microsoft nearly went out of business when they released Halo 2 to a public that didn't want anything to do with it (only 8 million copies)... Then, they made the same mistake releasing Halo 3 (a measly 8.1 million)... I think the only console games to EVER sell more than those had Mario in the title. You're right... releasing a FPS console game is business suicide...
Since when do millions of sales on a console show a good game? MS has quite impressively captured the hearts and minds of millions of braindead monkeys, who slave away at achievements by buying games they have no interest in - only to further their gamer score. FPS on a console is a joke, reminded to us every day by another port of this or that, that is ported over with zero PC optimizations meaning that the game is pure **** by technical and gameplay standards.
BTW, the video presented by CCP was shot on PC or it was a target render. It had zero dealings with a X360.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:39:00 -
[572]
Originally by: cheet sheet you tube vidThis is only a good thing but please ccp. I dont know how but keep the 8 year olds away from us oil and water so on. I have xbox live i play online there all kids i dont use the mic as i get fed up of someone trying to play music down the mic........
Keeping the 8-year-olds out shouldn't be too much of a problem. From the sounds of things, Eve players will be hiring DUST corps to do their dirty (literally) work, so presumably we'll be able to write horrid reviews of those mercenaries just as we can the current ones. DUST corps will be able to kick troublemakers, and it doesn't seem likely that anyone's going to make us hire people we detest.
Based on the video, DUST corps will be much like Eve corps, and will even be able to join Eve alliances, so the natural pattern would be to select DUST corps that are compatible with your Eve corporations.
It seems likely that the 8-year-olds will end up doing endless faction warfare and getting kicked around if some faction militia corp or other goes and hires an elite, well-equipped unit.
If I understand the system correctly, we get to support and equip these guys, or not, as we see fit.
Do business with whom you please.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:41:00 -
[573]
Edited by: Shun Makoto on 19/08/2009 06:42:01
Originally by: Arestan
BTW, the video presented by CCP was shot on PC or it was a target render. It had zero dealings with a X360.
You've never even seen a game developed have you? A game is made on a computer but versions are given out to testers to use on Xbox 360s and PS3s, as well as you can hook up a Xbox 360 to computer for development use.
The people who have stated it before are correct, DUST Troops are not self sufficient, They rely on EVE Corps and Alliances.
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spyor
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:49:00 -
[574]
oo excitement, or maybes not, or maybes I can play with my children now!¼!!! hey or not! they will want to be on the opposing side making it impossible to win sovereignty arghhhhhhhh
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Vherkin
Amarr Lucis TechnoCustodia
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:53:00 -
[575]
No, just no. The game himself look good. But why only on console? Its absurd And ccp, why make it tied to 0.0 sovreignty system?, its just stupid. If i was still in 0.0 i would be **** off about a gang of console gamer messing with the sovreignty of my alliance and the war im in.
Factional warfare would be much more adapted, we dont conquer space to exploit it, protect it and so on. We just fight for fun and/or immersion. Its would be simply badass to do objective toward invading/defending planet and read about fight on these very planet. No more: "turn around the objective for 20 minutes to win".
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:54:00 -
[576]
Does anyone of you really think that fleets will not play the major role in sov anymore?
Hm? HMMM? HMMMMMMMMMMM?
Also, can i haz your stuff?
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Count Helmchen
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:58:00 -
[577]
since metagaming has becoming the key to victory for the most of situations in eve, i believe it is a good solution to seperate those 2 games complete from each other with a small effect to both of them
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:02:00 -
[578]
god you people have acted like Hil said "ZOMG THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE SOV" I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:18:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Shun Makoto god you people have acted like Hil said "ZOMG THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE SOV"
In the absense of a set of blue bars saying otherwise yes its to be expected. Just roll with it till the devs quit laughing their arses off every time they refresh the gd page.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:31:00 -
[580]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 19/08/2009 07:31:36 So i was right...ish
All that matters.
Sounds cool, yada yada, eve is not dying, now let's get back to our spaceship...thing...where our guns and....things are.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:33:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
So i was right...ish
All that matters.
Sounds cool, yada yada, eve is not dying, now let's get back to our spaceship...thing...where our guns and....things are.
hehe yep, i would have never thought it would be a console thing, feeding directly into eve, in the same persistent world. to bad not enough people were joining in on the betting
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:36:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
So i was right...ish
All that matters.
Sounds cool, yada yada, eve is not dying, now let's get back to our spaceship...thing...where our guns and....things are.
hehe yep, i would have never thought it would be a console thing, feeding directly into eve, in the same persistent world. to bad not enough people were joining in on the betting
Maybe the devs will get me a special price, just to shut me up next time they want secrets to keep
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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:05:00 -
[583]
I wonder if tying two games together that are so different is a wise idea. People get tired of FPS games quicker than they do MMOs I think, especially since new FPSs come out all the time. Im interested in seeing how this works out.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:08:00 -
[584]
The idea behind an MMO is a landscape that the players change and form.
Hil stated in the video that this would be the case, this game will be ever changing and intriguing. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:12:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Agonizer42 on 19/08/2009 08:12:42 ok can all naysayers please stop for a second and shut the f.uck up, while reading through the following lines:
- every alliance can make up their own elite dust squad, consisting of their own players. A dust battle does NOT involve more than 24-40 people on ONE side, thus making it VERY POSSIBLE to NOT have the outcome of the battle being decided by 3rd parties. Big alliances have thousands of players and you cant tell mie that they could not form their own elite squads who are on duty for the ground combat
- starting a ground war is most likely NOT EVEN POSSIBLE without securing the outer planetary orbits, which IS STILL BEING DONE by fleets.
- same will probably apply for reinforcements and supplies during the combat, which will most likely also being done by fleets
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Ryl'avin Redwense
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:21:00 -
[586]
There are so many possibilities here, and almost all of them positive if done right. Walking in Stations could become the RTS aspect of Dust, and the meeting place for both communities. So many avenues of gameplay may open up once Dust is released.
Now I'm wondering if they'll give a subscription fee discount to existing EVE Online players... If Dust will have one, that is.
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Dansel
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:36:00 -
[587]
I hope they wont have a montly fee. Here we pay for every month, but e got the game and all the expansions for free. Now we will have to buy the game, and all the exapnsion, so i hope it doesnt have monthly fee, otherwise i probably wont play it... Only way to MAYBE convince me to pay for it in monthly fees would be if it was made available for download via playstation store/xbox whatsitname store
Would also be cool if you could log in your EVE character in Dust and go shoot people :P ----------------- Yay!! |
Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:40:00 -
[588]
Its only $5 a month for Xbox Live. If they charge anything else for DUST 514, I won't play it. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Vasili Z
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:44:00 -
[589]
I'll be the best at this game since most Eve players are terrible at games. -------
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Mohenna
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:14:00 -
[590]
Originally by: london Is that a Proteus shooting missiles in the video? Sure looks like the Dissolution Sequencer front end.
I think so. And the smaller ship that knocks out the player at 0:25, with missiles or rockets, must be a merlin or a hawk I guess. The ship that explodes at the end is too far to tell, imho it's a vexor or some other gallente medium sized ship.
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artemidoro
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:15:00 -
[591]
Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids. We want give in kids'hand the role of take sovereignity for us? we really want this? i hope all of you say : NO So the only way is "form" console player that come from Eve. Some big coalition or alliance will sure do it. Little alliance will die. CCP have bad bad idea. They want more money, i uderstand that...but the way for do it...bah..i dont like it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:17:00 -
[592]
Originally by: artemidoro Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids.
Wrong answer. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr The Penumbra Initiative
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:18:00 -
[593]
Originally by: artemidoro Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids. We want give in kids'hand the role of take sovereignity for us? we really want this? i hope all of you say : NO So the only way is "form" console player that come from Eve. Some big coalition or alliance will sure do it. Little alliance will die. CCP have bad bad idea. They want more money, i uderstand that...but the way for do it...bah..i dont like it.
CCP MAKE SHOOTY GAME FOR CHILD? CCP MAKE ARTEMIDORO SAD :(
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:18:00 -
[594]
Originally by: artemidoro Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids. We want give in kids'hand the role of take sovereignity for us? we really want this? i hope all of you say : NO So the only way is "form" console player that come from Eve. Some big coalition or alliance will sure do it. Little alliance will die. CCP have bad bad idea. They want more money, i uderstand that...but the way for do it...bah..i dont like it.
Have you even read the posts in this thread?
Ok few things about the Video.
At 0:28 the ship that fires the missiles (with the blue trails) looks like an Atron? So I could be wrong but it looks like a Atron.
Second, The ship that is firing the Missiles at the ship in the Distance has characteristic Caldari sensor probes on the front of it, there for it is not a Proteus. And lastly I still think that the ship in the distance has the Silhouette of a Mega I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:25:00 -
[595]
New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:32:00 -
[596]
If it's anything like planetside count me in. As long as I don't have to by console for it that is.
Imagine that. Planetside. Run by CCP not Sony. Sounds like win ?
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:33:00 -
[597]
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
unless the make a pc version then yes we can
i do think the number of ppl in eve that have consoles is less than the number that don't but would like to tryit on pc. i would love to playit... but im not gonna get a damn console for it
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Vasili Z
Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:33:00 -
[598]
Edited by: Vasili Z on 19/08/2009 09:33:07
Originally by: artemidoro Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids. We want give in kids'hand the role of take sovereignity for us? we really want this? i hope all of you say : NO So the only way is "form" console player that come from Eve. Some big coalition or alliance will sure do it. Little alliance will die. CCP have bad bad idea. They want more money, i uderstand that...but the way for do it...bah..i dont like it.
This is ******ed. I've played all manner of FPS and I'm not a kid, and I'm always first when playing against them, if you get the proper people to play for you then you don't have to worry about "kids" taking your sov" even though it's quite obvious taking sov won't be as easy as "DUR DUR SHOOT TAKE FLAG". -------
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:34:00 -
[599]
Originally by: artemidoro Who play with console ? who play games like "Shoot Them All" ? Answear : kids. We want give in kids'hand the role of take sovereignity for us? we really want this? i hope all of you say : NO So the only way is "form" console player that come from Eve. Some big coalition or alliance will sure do it. Little alliance will die. CCP have bad bad idea. They want more money, i uderstand that...but the way for do it...bah..i dont like it.
Originally by: Agonizer42
every alliance can make up their own elite dust squad, consisting of their own players. A dust battle does NOT involve more than 24-40 people on ONE side, thus making it VERY POSSIBLE to NOT have the outcome of the battle being decided by 3rd parties. Big alliances have thousands of players and you cant tell mie that they could not form their own elite squads who are on duty for the ground combat
same will probably apply for reinforcements and supplies during the combat, which will most likely also being done by fleets
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can i have your stuffz?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:41:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
…which has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet Spaceships™ — it's a SciFi sim. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:44:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Tippia EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
if WiS and planetary flight kicks in also, then the eve universe will be pure epic winsauce
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:46:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Arestan
Originally by: Clansworth
Yeah.. that makes sense.. every console shooter that has been released has been a total failure in the marketplace. That explains why Microsoft nearly went out of business when they released Halo 2 to a public that didn't want anything to do with it (only 8 million copies)... Then, they made the same mistake releasing Halo 3 (a measly 8.1 million)... I think the only console games to EVER sell more than those had Mario in the title. You're right... releasing a FPS console game is business suicide...
Since when do millions of sales on a console show a good game? MS has quite impressively captured the hearts and minds of millions of braindead monkeys, who slave away at achievements by buying games they have no interest in - only to further their gamer score. FPS on a console is a joke, reminded to us every day by another port of this or that, that is ported over with zero PC optimizations meaning that the game is pure **** by technical and gameplay standards.
If we were talking about an original incarnation, I'd agree, it might not mean that much.. but I was quoting sales numbers for sequels. Implying that not only was Halo so good that 8million people bought Halo 2, but even Halo 2 was so good that even MORE people bought Halo 3. Just because you don't like a particular game style, by no means that those numbers represent a failure. Halo, by definition, has been a MAJOR success, as have many other console based shooters. The definition of a good game should be one people are entertained by and enjoy playing. Taking that perspective, this would lead to the conclusion that the Halo franchise is actually the single best shooter ever created, as it entertains and gives enjoyment to more people than any other shooter. In fact, the only games that have ever sold more copies then Halo 3 have been Mario games.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:46:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:48:00 -
[604]
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
what is a ng anyways?
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:49:00 -
[605]
Edited by: Clansworth on 19/08/2009 09:49:20
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
How good of a 'simulation' would it be if the guys who fly the spaceships from goo filled pods, were ALSO the hardened ground troops? It makes sense to me, from an overall 'sci-fi sim' perspective, that they should be completely different characters, and in most instances, would cater to a completely different gaming audience.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:49:00 -
[606]
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
Are you kidding we're getting exactly that!
You understand of course that Capsuleers would never travel onto the surface of a planet because of course they are Demi-Gods. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:50:00 -
[607]
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
what is a ng anyways?
Hmm? I may have messed up my signature :p, it is NGE as in SWG CU-NGE, google it :)
With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:52:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Shun Makoto
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
Are you kidding we're getting exactly that!
You understand of course that Capsuleers would never travel onto the surface of a planet because of course they are Demi-Gods.
If you want to play on a console and pay another sub, and get another account, ...
With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:52:00 -
[609]
For the last time this isn't going to be a NGE this is going to be a whole seperate game that has little impact in the grand scheme of EVE Online's function. I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:53:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Tippia EVE is not just Internet Spaceships™ — it's a SciFi sim.
if WiS and planetary flight kicks in also, then the eve universe will be pure epic winsauce
My only worry is that TotalHellDeath will now be a DLC for Dust, rather than an EVE expansion… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Mohenna
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:57:00 -
[611]
Originally by: london Is that a Proteus shooting missiles in the video? Sure looks like the Dissolution Sequencer front end.
I got it!! The exploding ship is a thorax check its nose!!
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:58:00 -
[612]
Edited by: Clansworth on 19/08/2009 10:02:24
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: Tippia EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
if WiS and planetary flight kicks in also, then the eve universe will be pure epic winsauce
My only worry is that TotalHellDeath will now be a DLC for Dust, rather than an EVE expansionà
Theres no reason to suspect any planned eve changes are going to change/go away... DUST is not a new idea/change of direction for eve, just one that hasn't been made public until now (probably waiting until they had something decent to report... namely, that they finally decided it'll be possible... CCP have obviously had it in their plans for quite some time (3 years in development already). It also is nothing like NGE, where NGE was a massive change to the existing game, with little-to-no pre-warning to the playerbase. This was an initial announcement for a game that has likely has minimal real impact on the existing game, and is not going to be released for at LEAST a year, giving plenty of time to collect player feedback (well, once the unfounded emo-griping dies down to be able to distill something constructive from the playerbase).
Intel/Nomad |
Shy Dragoon
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:06:00 -
[613]
Advise: Wait with your emo/nerd/whatever/rage/quit till Fanfest. Lots of new Infos will shown there and ... we now have a 5min video and some interviews. thats nothing. wait for fanfest :)
shy
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:07:00 -
[614]
Originally by: CyberGh0st it is NGE as in SWG CU-NGE, google it :)
LOL. Umm yea ok... Its a slap in the face of the dedicated Devs at CCP to compare it to NGE.
NGE hasnt even been announced to the public until it was IMPLEMENTED
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Ryl'avin Redwense
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:09:00 -
[615]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Definitely.
Though it's a shame they didn't make DUST for the PC, as part of EVE, so we can jump in at any time. It would make New Eden feel more "whole" instead of being separated by game. But I think the whole point was to expand into a different audience. After all, not all EVE Online players are FPS players.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Dark Ascendancy The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:11:00 -
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We're not actually going to see any of the console tards right? If that's the case I think it's an ok idea
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Biggi Raeubertochter on 19/08/2009 10:13:17
Originally by: Ryl'avin Redwense
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Definitely.
Though it's a shame they didn't make DUST for the PC, as part of EVE, so we can jump in at any time. It would make New Eden feel more "whole" instead of being separated by game. But I think the whole point was to expand into a different audience. After all, not all EVE Online players are FPS players.
(FPS + PC¦) * MMO * (Cheating + Hacking + Dominated by Twitch Gods) = FAIL
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: knobber Jobbler on 19/08/2009 10:13:43 Edited by: knobber Jobbler on 19/08/2009 10:13:20 Lots of odd confusion in this thread by people who don't understand consoles or the underlying technology preaching the world is going to end because of Dust.
Here is some info from someone who actually works who works with consoles:
Consoles can use HID USB devices so keyboards and mice can be used. Consoles have patches from live services just like a PC! They even have HDD's now. *shock* PS3 and 360 are powerful enough to run a good MMO. MMO's have existed on consoles for a while. Consoles can intergrate with PC's easily. Its the server side technology that deals with it. No one here played the 360/PC version of shadowrun then. Console games are developed on PC's. What else are they developed on?! Macs? Hell no.
One other thought is, why the hell not try this new game out? You might actually quite like it or is the prejudice just too great?
There are plenty of good and intelligent (and fun) console games out there, they are not all crap FPS games. This might just be a good game.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: knobber Jobbler Console games are developed on PC's. What else are they developed on?! Macs? Hell no.
…well, actually…
The first 360 demos ran on PowerPC Macs. Graphical and audio assets are platform agnostic, but as it happens, many in those fields prefer the Mac platform.
And then there's iD, of course… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:20:00 -
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Fable 2 was designed on Macs
Macs are used in most Game Development.
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Mkiaki
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:22:00 -
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Does this affect high security space? nope.
Does this annoy the Goons? Yup
Is this win?
Oh yeah
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:24:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Mkiaki Does this affect high security space? nope.
Does this annoy the Goons? Yup
Is this win?
Oh yeah
im definately looking forward to the oceans of goon-tears
SELLING UMBRELLAS!!!11!!!! COME GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE HOT!11111!!11111111
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cBOLTSON
Caldari SCUM. ACADEMY SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: cBOLTSON on 19/08/2009 10:59:12 WOW! DUST 514 =D
CCP , if dust 514 works out and plays as good as it looks, THEN YOU HAVE JUST MADE MY DAY!
Before playing eve, FPS was my thing. Now if you are truly able to combine the eve PERSISTANT universe into both the EVE online and this DUST 514, then you guys are legendary!
VERY MUCH ATICIPATING THIS!!!!!
Just one thing, it would be great if it were out on pc too.......... but i guess you want to bring more people into eve not dilute the pc players.......
EDIT - Cant wait to get into a fps battle with the 'big alliances' and mess them up hard! =D Goon tears anyone :P
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:01:00 -
[624]
Originally by: cBOLTSON Edited by: cBOLTSON on 19/08/2009 10:59:12 WOW! DUST 514 =D
CCP , if dust 514 works out and plays as good as it looks, THEN YOU HAVE JUST MADE MY DAY!
Before playing eve, FPS was my thing. Now if you are truly able to combine the eve PERSISTANT universe into both the EVE online and this DUST 514, then you guys are legendary!
VERY MUCH ATICIPATING THIS!!!!!
Just one thing, it would be great if it were out on pc too.......... but i guess you want to bring more people into eve not dilute the pc players.......
EDIT - Cant wait to get into a fps battle with the 'big alliances' and mess them up hard! =D Goon tears anyone :P
i can very much agree with every single word you have said. I have also played alot of FPS before starting with eve, and i also anticipate it ALOT.
And as for the console kiddies deciding 0.0 sov: one word: "LULZ". This will never happen. There will be enough eve players around who will step into the ground battles.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:07:00 -
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Most alliances have problems to form a roaming fleet with proper setup and numbers so i dont see that comming they would be able to have their own DUST squas prepared whenever planet is attacked.
Maybe top 5 alliances would be DUST ready, the rest is completly wasted.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:09:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Nur AlHuda Most alliances have problems to form a roaming fleet with proper setup and numbers so i dont see that comming they would be able to have their own DUST squas prepared whenever planet is attacked.
Maybe top 5 alliances would be DUST ready, the rest is completly wasted.
well if they dont have their own people they need to hire mercs. Those can also be EVE players. I will personally buy dust, and play it, whenever i have a chance to hug the dust against the goons
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Nigggle
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:18:00 -
[627]
Edited by: Nigggle on 19/08/2009 11:17:46 Heh
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:35:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
Originally by: CyberGh0st it is NGE as in SWG CU-NGE, google it :)
LOL. Umm yea ok... Its a slap in the face of the dedicated Devs at CCP to compare it to NGE.
NGE hasnt even been announced to the public until it was IMPLEMENTED
I agree, we get an advance warning, and I would like to thank CCP for that.
Now make a damn PC version, integrate it with EVE thru WIS and rule the world, damned!
With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:54:00 -
[629]
The whinerage about DUST merely proves that CCP's scope far exceeds the mental scope of many players.
DUST will greatly increase the level of detail in the EVE universe going from single individuals up to titan blobs. This is simply awesome. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:59:00 -
[630]
Originally by: Abrazzar
DUST will greatly increase the level of detail in the EVE universe going from single individuals up to titan blobs. This is simply awesome.
its like a dream come true. Yet some people whine and mourn until there would be no tomorrow. Unbelieveable.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:06:00 -
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:08:00 -
[632]
well I'm perfectly happy. now I can use that black box under my TV for more than occasionally play Guitar Hero games on parties \o/
and FPS tie-in is perfect actually. quite risk-free if that idea doesn't work- if there are too few players or mechanics itself doesn't work, CCP will just pull the plug on Dust and everything is back to normal. I don't understand those who scream like its the end of the world here
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Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:13:00 -
[633]
Ok, So they are Making Planetside 2 and Making it Win By Adding Eve to the Mix and Not Having Sony involved?
Hells Yea, I may need to Start Saving up unless they release a PC Version
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Chris200
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:31:00 -
[634]
Seems like a nice game. Hope it doesn't kill eve though. Would suck to lose 90% of your sov because a few 14 year old xbox kids feel like it and there is nothing you can do except turning the isk floodgates open to hire as much other merchs as you can.. and then there is still nothing that you can actually do =/
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Ancient Memories
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:15:00 -
[635]
EAD DUST filth!! die for teen
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:22:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
The strongest alliances will just hold constellation and even less and the rest wil be just empty space couse nobody would risk to establish space without their own dust team.
I thought this was what we always wanted? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 19/08/2009 13:31:32
In the Ones name, I hope the influence of planet sovereignty will just be a minor one.
The most critical aspect of this is that existing alliances, that have access to the member base potentially or actually containing the best mix of eve/consoleFPS players will have an major advantage.
If I were a goon, (the One forbid), I would probably start to put even more champagne (or probably in their case coke zero) on ice.
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Nuanni Claves
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:50:00 -
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If any of you watched the presentation where those graphs were, dust won't work just as random mercenaries where "random 14 year old screwes up your sov". They are hoping to interconnect those 2 communities in such way that serious alliances will have their own ground troops (the part where those two orange boxes merge in the presentation). Which means it will work just as your current corp/alliance works - you get an idiot who screws things up eventually, but then you go and kick him out and close the door.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:53:00 -
[639]
on heise.de they have just added some conversation with petursson, that they had yesterday. ive upped it in the OP.
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Dan Spitty
Gallente Gunslingers Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:06:00 -
[640]
Just posting to applaud CCP's ambition in this project. Hope you manage to do what hasn't been done before, but knowing what you're like, you'll succeed eventually given enough time. Been in development 3 years already ! Kept that nice and quiet : ) Already had some time with it and the fact you're still going through with it suggests you know what you're doing.
I hope you lads and lasses can pull it off and integrate the two worlds without it messing-up either platform.
It'll be another angle on the eve universe that people will embrace, be it joining in the ground force, or just throwing money at the mercs until a job is done. Good luck with it. Not sure I'll get it for my 360 yet, but I'll be keeping my eye out for news and events that are happening planetside in eve on the consoles.
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
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IshiShemi
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:11:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Dan Spitty Just posting to applaud CCP's ambition in this project. Hope you manage to do what hasn't been done before, but knowing what you're like, you'll succeed eventually given enough time. Been in development 3 years already ! Kept that nice and quiet : ) Already had some time with it and the fact you're still going through with it suggests you know what you're doing.
I hope you lads and lasses can pull it off and integrate the two worlds without it messing-up either platform.
It'll be another angle on the eve universe that people will embrace, be it joining in the ground force, or just throwing money at the mercs until a job is done. Good luck with it. Not sure I'll get it for my 360 yet, but I'll be keeping my eye out for news and events that are happening planetside in eve on the consoles.
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
Ick. A Fanboi.
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MaxPower 519
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:37:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:39:00 -
[643]
Originally by: MaxPower 519
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
Pretty much this.
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Nuanni Claves
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:47:00 -
[644]
Edited by: Nuanni Claves on 19/08/2009 14:48:43
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: MaxPower 519
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
Pretty much this.
no you got that all wrong ... CCP isn't a PC gamer's owned company, and PC gamers as you describe them do not own neither CCP nor EVE. CCP has been investing their OWN money into developing a product that if everything goes well will bring them back more money.
More money for CCP = more momey to invest back into development process, which means bigger, better eve.
on your end, you pay for a service, you get the service you payed for ... beyond that theres nothing CCP "owes" you.
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Relik0
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:50:00 -
[645]
If this is the way for CCP to sort Sovrenty out it SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
You want to to an FPS game do it but be part of EVE is pathetic, so we need to hire all the 10 years old Goons to comquer the system, I just immagin the outcome.
Fix EVE first.
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:50:00 -
[646]
Angry kid is playing Dust514
hopefully not ....
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar Icarus Prime
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:52:00 -
[647]
I just could not fathom why CCP would only make Dust514 a console only game, since they would be cutting off a major source of current eve players who either do not own a console or simply will not switch devices to play what they feel is another part of the same game. Granted, with Consoles there is exactly one set of hardware specs for each console type which reduces development time and support considerably, and given CCP's ridiculously incompetent GM support, I'm sure no one else would mind that. But still, it just doesn't seem to rhyme, because Dust514 will just not have the same attraction as any of the other MMOs or shooters out there.
I'll put it this way: I'm pretty sure that Dust514, when it does eventually come out will most likley NOT have any more connection to Eve than the eve chronicles do. All the talk of planet sovereignty cross influencing eve etc is just vapourware spam from Petursson, the same guy who has been spamming game conferences and the media with rubbish about WiS for the past 4 years to keep media attention up.
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Leotheris Al'dian
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:02:00 -
[648]
"Eve and Dust players are to be able to communicate also directly with each other. "
What's the point of communicating with each other if there may be a chance of a Dust Defense Group where we can't even take part in our planets protection
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MaxPower 519
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nuanni Claves Edited by: Nuanni Claves on 19/08/2009 14:48:43
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: MaxPower 519
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
Pretty much this.
no you got that all wrong ... CCP isn't a PC gamer's owned company, and PC gamers as you describe them do not own neither CCP nor EVE. CCP has been investing their OWN money into developing a product that if everything goes well will bring them back more money.
More money for CCP = more momey to invest back into development process, which means bigger, better eve.
on your end, you pay for a service, you get the service you payed for ... beyond that theres nothing CCP "owes" you.
I didn't say we own EvE or CCP. We pay a monthly fee and from that we expect more EvE stuff for the PC like in the past. I don't want to pay and then they come out with new awesome stuff I cant use unless I buy a console. Did they say they invested they OWN money? Their money is the money we all pay every month.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:07:00 -
[650]
Quote:
no you got that all wrong ... CCP isn't a PC gamer's owned company, and PC gamers as you describe them do not own neither CCP nor EVE. CCP has been investing their OWN money into developing a product that if everything goes well will bring them back more money.
More money for CCP = more momey to invest back into development process, which means bigger, better eve.
on your end, you pay for a service, you get the service you payed for ... beyond that theres nothing CCP "owes" you.
I didn't say we own EvE or CCP. We pay a monthly fee and from that we expect more EvE stuff for the PC like in the past. I don't want to pay and then they come out with new awesome stuff I cant use unless I buy a console. Did they say they invested they OWN money? Their money is the money we all pay every month. You pay the government taxes but you have almost no say in what they spend your tax dollars on.
You don't have to buy Dust 514, just hire them to do your battles. Not your cup of tea fine. They just announced it and if they can make a comfortable hop over to PC they will.
CCP is expanding their technologies and their horizons. They want to raise general awareness and get a following from more than just the MMO crowd. Cause in the end they are trying to make a persistent gaming world, not just spaceships online.
This also pushes other Eve developments up on the cycle. CCP will preety much expect to release an update to SOV and also an update to Planet Graphics with the launch of Dust 514. Not to mention the animations, code and graphics is all there to keep working on WIS. And if it works well they will expend it adding into planetary flight possibly. ________________________________________________
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MaxPower 519
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:17:00 -
[651]
Edited by: MaxPower 519 on 19/08/2009 15:18:50 ^^ It is my cup of tea though I love FPS games. But I'm too cheap to buy a console for just one game! That is whats frustrating I want to play but on PC.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:19:00 -
[652]
Originally by: MaxPower 519 ^^ It is my cup of tea though I love FPS games. But I'm too cheap to buy a console for just one game!
I wholeheartedly understand. We must press the issue that Sony and Microsoft needs to kick their developers asses to make some good games to give us more than 1 reason to buy their consoles. ________________________________________________
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:20:00 -
[653]
Edited by: Ritter Roland on 19/08/2009 15:20:59
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
You don't have to buy Dust 514, just hire them to do your battles. Not your cup of tea fine. They just announced it and if they can make a comfortable hop over to PC they will.
CCP is expanding their technologies and their horizons. They want to raise general awareness and get a following from more than just the MMO crowd. Cause in the end they are trying to make a persistent gaming world, not just spaceships online.
This also pushes other Eve developments up on the cycle. CCP will preety much expect to release an update to SOV and also an update to Planet Graphics with the launch of Dust 514. Not to mention the animations, code and graphics is all there to keep working on WIS. And if it works well they will expend it adding into planetary flight possibly.
what many people on these boards fail to see is with such an innovative step forward (which has never been done by anyone before) what they can have in store for their future plans.
it really seems that for CCP nothing is impossible anymore.
Plus: They have the technology developed for walking in stations, for planetary flight (which we have already seen on various footage)
and now they have even further technology developed.
This all is also available for future implementations to eve online.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:45:00 -
[654]
The tears of forum alts are soooooo sweeet. They taste soo good!
Do any of you realize what the scope of war is going to be now for factions and alliances?
Imagine, capital battles in space, battle ships assaulting planetary shields and cities, frigs, cruisers and drop ships all fighting on the surface with ground forces moving in to control valuable resources like planetary factories and mining facilities and bars!!!!
The scope of total war now is almost unimaginable and almost all too real now. This is going to be more than a mere fpsmmo, This is going to redefine war, resources, meta gaming, and strategy to all new level.
If you thought the scope of EvE was just a vertical cliff, it is going to be now you at the bottom of the ocean trying to climb mount everest starting there, oh and you dont have an oxygen tank. --------------------------
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killmc
Gallente Eve Unity Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:51:00 -
[655]
i sorry one agine ccp has f@#@# us. we pay for pc mmog i will not buy dust-514 and thanking of takeing my 300 i sped on my 20 eve and going eles where. i been here for 6 years + now your telling me i can loss all i worked for if i dont buy this sound like blackmail to me so gess ccp rdy for lawsute city
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:12:00 -
[656]
Originally by: killmc i sorry one agine ccp has f@#@# us. we pay for pc mmog i will not buy dust-514...
umm.. so don't? Are you saying you've never purchased a game from any other game company? Just about every game company BESIDES CCP have more than one game on the market. Where do you suppose they got the money to develop said games? From the income of existing games. It's how a business works... You pay for a PC MMO, and you get to play a PC MMO. What are you missing in this arrangement? IF you think that eve developement is going to stop because they are going to start working on DUST, then 'NEWSFLASH'.. thay've been working on DUST for 3 years. Seems to me EvE's hade quite a bit of development go on in those 3 years... Its amazing to me that there are players of Eve-Online that don't understand business... I guess if its those types that are rage-quitting, it will be for the better anyways... Less free-mineral producers in the game.. ;-)
Excellent work on the player filtering CCP! Thank You!
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killmc
Gallente Eve Unity Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:16:00 -
[657]
no problem i have is 1 i pay for merk or have buy game or i can loss my outpost's
that by us law = blackmail
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:27:00 -
[658]
Originally by: killmc no problem i have is 1 i pay for merk or have buy game or i can loss my outpost's
that by us law = blackmail
It's also ridiculous that you could lose your ship unless you pay for proper fittings. I assume you believe that this is blackmail as well? I'd leave the legal advise to those who can at least spell and/or form proper sentence structure. Thank You.
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:32:00 -
[659]
Relooked over the footage and it's still nothing to get worked up over.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:33:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Gone'Postal Relooked over the footage and it's still nothing to get worked up over.
i have just added screenshots in the original post, for discussion and interpretation.
First off: Linkage
Linkage
apparently shows the conquerable sectors of that planet, from the eve client. (upgraded planet graphics?)
Secondly: Linkage
Shows that the pure FPS part of the game will only play a minor role in the big picture. This is to all those who are scared of fps-kiddies taking away their 0.0 sov
Thirdly: Linkage
this shows, that sov wont be decided solely from ground battles. Both ground troops and fleets have to work together.
4: Linkage
it clearly says in the bottom left: "18 hours after deployment". no idea what this means.
5: Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
Protheus from what it looks like. Its apparently player controlled, as it shoots, and flies around, and sends drones out to attack a player:
Linkage
The drone is clearly coming from the Protheus. Maybe its only PR and faked, who knows.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 19/08/2009 16:40:19 /discuss my interpretations or interprete differently
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ZFeniX
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:35:00 -
[662]
Originally by: killmc no problem i have is 1 i pay for merk or have buy game or i can loss my outpost's
that by us law = blackmail
Dont post anymore.
Also- all you morons crying about "10 year old console gamers"...stfu! you guys are the ones acting like 10 year olds (ironically).
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:37:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Tamahra
Lots of images that rendered to hell and back on a PC and the game won't look like this.
Yeah.. Still nothing to get worked up over.
Regardless of how it connects to Eve, it's at its core, just another FPS on a console.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Crimson Tail
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:38:00 -
[664]
OMG!! The emo-rage quits are SO juicy and delicious!! The tears are like wine!
More, more!!
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:40:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Crimson Tail OMG!! The emo-rage quits are SO juicy and delicious!! The tears are like whine!
More, more!!
fixed
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ultra 1437
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:12:00 -
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All links in this post head to my Photobucket.
Originally by: Tar Murk
Originally by: Zey Nadar Edited by: Zey Nadar on 18/08/2009 13:59:23 I think the ship in the sky thats glimpsed first at about 0:25 in the trailer resembles a Mega from underneath.. So I guess atmospheric flight might be coming.. (although its also shooting missiles, of all things)
This is an awesome concept, combining two worlds, and graphics looked nice even though I dont like FPS games as such.
Scary part is how MUCH the players in DUST are able to affect our sovereignty..
if u look closer it's actualy a gallente t3 ship.
Actually look at a mega from underneath, with the front facing right movie screen link, (or let me link you a screen) or it also could be a cynabal, you have to understand how huge a megathron is, but a cynabal i could see being in that locale. also for that flying vehicle that shoots rockets, i dunno, at first glance it kinda looked like a vengeance (movie).
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:13:00 -
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I think it's gonna be friggin' awesome!
I hope a bunch of people quit over it- I miss the days when you would log on and there would be only 10000 pilots.
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Mohenna
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: ultra 1437 also for that flying vehicle that shoots rockets, i dunno, at first glance it kinda looked like a vengeance (movie).
Too little. I think I got what that is, it's the caldari fighter: I just opened the QEN and there's an image of those, the resemblance is striking, the dimensions seem to match.
The ship that explodes is a thorax, the ship shooting missiles at it is imho a tengu.
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CCP Tyr
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:40:00 -
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From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:41:00 -
[670]
Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:45:06 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:43:39 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:41:37
Originally by: ultra 1437
blablabla about proteus being a mega
Proteus
edit: **** I ment Proteus ofc.. fail
edit edit cause of sniper dev: So not only are you selling two games, your also milking the fanfest tickets cause you know a lot of EVE players is concerned how this will affect our game?
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:41:00 -
[671]
Originally by: CCP Tyr From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
You'd better be releasing those details a LOT sooner than that (I suggest this weekend is too late) or you might find yourselves short thousands of subscribers by then.
NGE's and Dev stonewalling and atmospheres of uncertainty are bad, mmkay?
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Amergin McLeod
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:48:00 -
[672]
One of the reasons I stay with Eve is that I had hoped to one (not so distant) day I¦d be able to FLY DOWN TO PLANETS or WALK IN STATIONS, as this WAS PROMISED years ago.
I hope they¦ll still be working on that and that I dont have to buy a whole seperate game with additional fees. Not sure I¦ll stay with Eve if that is the case.
Console only - fail. At least make a PC version as well for the large number of players that do not own a console and still want to play it.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:49:00 -
[673]
Originally by: CCP Tyr From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
Glad I'm going this year, but the uncertainty isn't going to help people calm down. They're afraid of the changes this may bring to EVE, and reducing those fears a little should pay off in the long run.
This is a bold move by CCP and one that could work out very well, but a scared player isn't going to stick around for 6 weeks to get some answers.
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Generalissima
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: CCP Tyr From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
Glad I'm going this year, but the uncertainty isn't going to help people calm down. They're afraid of the changes this may bring to EVE, and reducing those fears a little should pay off in the long run.
This is a bold move by CCP and one that could work out very well, but a scared player isn't going to stick around for 6 weeks to get some answers.
Nope, I'm already canceling accounts that were training ships I wanted to have in 3 months. I'll stick to my main one (for now) but I'm sure I'm not alone in reducing my long term commitment to EVE due to the uncertainty.
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FellRaven
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.19 17:58:00 -
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Posted in the COAD thread already but who knows if CCP will read either.
As explained so far seems a bit one sided. How are DUST players going to move from Planet to Planet, how about Planetary Bombardment.
If you were wanting a real word scenario think of this as a Beach Assault, you have landing ships, support ships naval gunfire. All of these elements fall within the EVE rather than the DUST Universe so where are they.
If you want to claim SOV you should have to protect your invasion fleet to the planet and while they are there. The Complaint has always been that people won't engage, here is an opportunity to make it happen.
So come on CCP either drop the link or make it work for both communities.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:06:00 -
[676]
Originally by: Generalissima
Nope, I'm already canceling accounts that were training ships I wanted to have in 3 months. I'll stick to my main one (for now) but I'm sure I'm not alone in reducing my long term commitment to EVE due to the uncertainty.
Sorry, you are alone. Bye. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:16:00 -
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I really like those ideas but i do not understand why it wil be for console only. From time to time i also like to play shooters and that would be really cool if i could play a shooter on my pc that belongs to eve.
I guess we have to wait for more information to really see what ccp is doing there.
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Merfio
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:17:00 -
[678]
Originally by: Generalissima
Nope, I'm already canceling accounts that were training ships I wanted to have in 3 months. I'll stick to my main one (for now) but I'm sure I'm not alone in reducing my long term commitment to EVE due to the uncertainty.
Talking about an investment on the wall street or a game?
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Valuv
Dark Ascendancy The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:22:00 -
[679]
Originally by: CCP Tyr From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
Sheer power of raw nerd rage will rip the Iceland from the very face of the Earth itself if you guys wait that long announcing the details.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 19/08/2009 18:25:28
Originally by: CCP Tyr From CCP's Press Release unveiling DUST 514Ö:
Further details will be revealed at CCPÆs annual Fanfest event October 1-3, 2009 in Reykjavik, Iceland.
You better get your tickets before flights to Iceland sell out!
We look forward to seeing you all at Fanfest 2009! CCP Tyr
I doubt that people will show up for fanfest just to see this now that you dumped it on everyones lap. if they were comeing to fanfest there comeing to fan fest.
First? Its about ~2000 USD for me to go there because I have to fly to where I can get on the plane and also incidentaly its less than 90 days now so the ticket prices basicaly doubled what I would have payed befor august 1 so meh.
Second its in the middle of the school term. I have a battery of tests that week so thats a second meh again.
nice try though. I take it your sales are still laging?
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:33:00 -
[681]
Canceling accounts is a bit over the top. Might as well just wait to see how it all pans out.
I am a bit sceptical about the whole thing, but it's not like the game as you know it now, will change a whole lot...
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:38:00 -
[682]
i have just added a link to the original post, where mmorp.com managing editer jon wood reflects upon the opposition to dust¦s announcement, but also reflects upon the possible impact of dust on the mmo market
Linkage
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:45:26 Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:44:38
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
"Hey guys check out this new game we are making! sorry but you can't play it, this is for completely different player audience. Oh and just to make things interesting, we let those new players determine the fate of your 0.0 alliances. Isn't that exciting?"
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:44:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Tamahra
it clearly says in the bottom left: "18 hours after deployment". no idea what this means.
Isn't important, just saids that point of time is 18 hours after the initial attack on sector. ---------------------------
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:52:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Ephemeron Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:45:26 Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:44:38
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
"Hey guys check out this new game we are making! sorry but you can't play it, this is for completely different player audience. Oh and just to make things interesting, we let those new players determine the fate of your 0.0 alliances. Isn't that exciting?"
Nobody's ever accused CCP of being intelligent about new information distribution ;) ----
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:06:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Ephemeron
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
tehee this might indeed be a somewhat unlucky situation at the fanfest there, that ccp has put themselves into now
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Josyah
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:17:00 -
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I am surprised it is console only but at the same time the article on mmorpg brought up many good points. People screaming NGE have zero clue what the NGE really did to SWG. This is adding to the game where the NGE took everything away. Seriously people act like adults. Speak with your wallet because whining and crying tears on a forum will not change anything. But if the time comes and you find out that the affect of DUST is minimal I hope you at least have the spine to admit you were wrong.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:24:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Generalissima NGE's and Dev stonewalling and atmospheres of uncertainty are bad, mmkay?
Sure does. Good thing there's nothing NGE about it.
Quote: CCP's reputation is already suffering out there because of this.
Not really.
Quote: We thought you guys were different.
Different than what?
Quote: You are looking more like the Icelandic division of SOE than you are the CCP we thought we knew.
How so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Bomberlocks
Minmatar Icarus Prime
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:01:00 -
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Actualy, I think allthe emo-rage-quitting crap is totally overboard. As the guy from Pandemic Legion said, CCP has not, in 4 years, managed to get WiS implemented in the game (the official line has been the old Duke Nukem Forever favourite:"It's ready whe it's ready"), so I doubt that CCP will move all that much faster with this Dust stuff.
I think we're all being scammed once again by CCP just like we were with Wanking in Stations.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:06:00 -
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Moved to OOPE.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Liz Laser
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Liz Laser on 19/08/2009 20:10:26 Withholding the details of how Dust will affect Eve until October when you already know shows the same marketing genius that Coca Cola was showing when they created New Coke.
Hey, wait, maybe it *is* the same marketing genius.
You guys REALLY need to get this info out there, like TODAY. I don't know how hard your subscriptions will get hit by premature rage, but it is INCREDIBLY REASONABLE to project that PLEX purchases for the purposes of selling for isk is going to crash real fast. It isn't due to emo-rage, but rather due to uncertainty. Uncertainty is a b*tch, and could actually affect the entire market. But the part that brings in currency to Iceland (PLEX) is particularly important, I'd imagine.
When you remove that uncertainty, people can then put values on things again.
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Zoltar
Caldari Perdu Opus
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:07:00 -
[692]
Originally by: Josyah But if the time comes and you find out that the affect of DUST is minimal I hope you at least have the spine to admit you were wrong.
I for one am excited. \o/
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Mavity Shade
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 19/08/2009 20:10:26 Withholding the details of how Dust will affect Eve until October when you already know shows the same marketing genius that Coca Cola was showing when they created New Coke.
Hey, wait, maybe it *is* the same marketing genius.
You guys REALLY need to get this info out there, like TODAY. I don't know how hard your subscriptions will get hit by premature rage, but it is INCREDIBLY REASONABLE to project that PLEX purchases for the purposes of selling for isk is going to crash real fast. It isn't due to emo-rage, but rather due to uncertainty. Uncertainty is a b*tch, and could actually affect the entire market. But the part that brings in currency to Iceland (PLEX) is particularly important, I'd imagine.
When you remove that uncertainty, people can then put values on things again.
People are actually doing quite the opposite. They are resubbing or subbing for the first time because of DUST. I think you're underestimating how much positive momentum this is giving EVE.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:33:00 -
[694]
Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 19/08/2009 20:10:26 Withholding the details of how Dust will affect Eve until October when you already know shows the same marketing genius that Coca Cola was showing when they created New Coke.
Hey, wait, maybe it *is* the same marketing genius.
You guys REALLY need to get this info out there, like TODAY. I don't know how hard your subscriptions will get hit by premature rage, but it is INCREDIBLY REASONABLE to project that PLEX purchases for the purposes of selling for isk is going to crash real fast. It isn't due to emo-rage, but rather due to uncertainty. Uncertainty is a b*tch, and could actually affect the entire market. But the part that brings in currency to Iceland (PLEX) is particularly important, I'd imagine.
When you remove that uncertainty, people can then put values on things again.
PLEX in game represent RL money that people have already spent...
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:34:00 -
[695]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to OOPE.
How can this be OOPE when it's a game developed by your guys, integrated to the EVE universe and probably affecting 0.0 sov?
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ultra 1437
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nepech Al'akir Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:45:06 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:43:39 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:41:37
Originally by: ultra 1437
blablabla about proteus being a mega
Proteus
edit: **** I ment Proteus ofc.. fail
edit edit cause of sniper dev: So not only are you selling two games, your also milking the fanfest tickets cause you know a lot of EVE players is concerned how this will affect our game?
Alright then, mind sharing with the rest of the class what setup of subsystems make up a proteus that looks like that? The closest i came up with was this Now if you find it, be sure to share it and the subsystem makeup, please.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:19:00 -
[697]
Originally by: ultra 1437
Alright then, mind sharing with the rest of the class what setup of subsystems make up a proteus that looks like that? The closest i came up with was this Now if you find it, be sure to share it and the subsystem makeup, please.
maybe they modified the ship models slightly, to have specific vessels available solely for the ground battle, yet still look like racial eve ships
less work than completely designing new ships from scrap
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:24:00 -
[698]
Edited by: CyberGh0st on 19/08/2009 21:24:31
Originally by: Clansworth Edited by: Clansworth on 19/08/2009 09:49:20
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
How good of a 'simulation' would it be if the guys who fly the spaceships from goo filled pods, were ALSO the hardened ground troops? It makes sense to me, from an overall 'sci-fi sim' perspective, that they should be completely different characters, and in most instances, would cater to a completely different gaming audience.
As long as it is integrated in the same game, like 1 game, 1 universe, 1 server ? I don't have a problem with having to create a different character for it ( on the same account as my other characters ).
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:27:00 -
[699]
Originally by: CyberGh0st Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514
roflmao
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Liz Laser
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Liz Laser on 19/08/2009 21:53:28
Originally by: Malcanis PLEX in game represent RL money that people have already spent...
Indeed, but I came to the site to buy one and balked when I saw the new announcement.
I doubt I'm alone.
That's gotta hurt when you see a product suddenly stop selling on your website. Of course some argue that the DUST announcement will attract people to Eve and offset the reaction. Time will tell.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.19 22:05:00 -
[701]
Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 19/08/2009 21:53:28
Originally by: Malcanis PLEX in game represent RL money that people have already spent...
Indeed, but I came to the site to buy one and balked when I saw the new announcement.
I doubt I'm alone.
That's gotta hurt when you see a product suddenly stop selling on your website. Of course some argue that the DUST announcement will attract people to Eve and offset the reaction. Time will tell.
What reaction? The one based on nothing more then Dust in the wind?
heh
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.08.19 22:08:00 -
[702]
Dust and Ambulation could be YEARS away from release, if they see a decline in plex/GTC sales it'll be momentary and slight.
CCP has been talking about walking in stations and flying around planets for five years now - it's their main objective but lacked the hardware to bring it about.
One day, not tomorrow, but soon we will be walking on planets and or flying through planetary atmospheres.
I just hope I don't need to buy a TV and a console to do it.
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread t1 & t2 batch manufacturing |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.08.20 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 20/08/2009 04:23:26
Can anyone-- anyone at all-- explain why having a FPS Eve-influencing console game is unacceptable, but a PC version with its vast potential for world-altering CHEATING is just fine?
I haven't seen anyone even attempting to address this angle.
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Nai Ling
Amarr Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.08.20 04:40:00 -
[704]
Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 20/08/2009 04:23:26
Can anyone-- anyone at all-- explain why having a FPS Eve-influencing console game is unacceptable, but a PC version with its vast potential for world-altering CHEATING is just fine?
I haven't seen anyone even attempting to address this angle.
I'll explain why as soon as you can explain why we need a separate game to influence one we already have.
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minuseb
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Posted - 2009.08.20 05:56:00 -
[705]
Originally by: ultra 1437
Originally by: Nepech Al'akir Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:45:06 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:43:39 Edited by: Nepech Al''akir on 19/08/2009 17:41:37
Originally by: ultra 1437
blablabla about proteus being a mega
Proteus
edit: **** I ment Proteus ofc.. fail
edit edit cause of sniper dev: So not only are you selling two games, your also milking the fanfest tickets cause you know a lot of EVE players is concerned how this will affect our game?
Alright then, mind sharing with the rest of the class what setup of subsystems make up a proteus that looks like that? The closest i came up with was this Now if you find it, be sure to share it and the subsystem makeup, please.
How would you know how Proteus will look like with 5th subsytems? Maybe they will be released specifically for this ground attack / atmosferic fights role. Would make more sense to use strategic cruisers that can be modified for certain purpose with subsytems then any other SPACE ship. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.08.20 06:08:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Nai Ling I'll explain why as soon as you can explain why we need a separate game to influence one we already have.
Certainly.
Ahem.
In Eve, we have a game that is fantastically rich and deep, yet also limited. We play capsuleers-- godlike pilots cybernetically linked to starships. This is our characters' job, their role, their "selling point," if you like. Everything about the game circles around this in one way or another; even if you spend all your time in a station with your capsuleer's license gathering dust on a shelf, you're still operating as part of the capsuleer class.
However, we've got a much larger universe out there, and not all of it happens in space. The notion of planetary interaction and occupation has been with us for a long time as a priority for CCP. It's never been clear how this was going to work: capsuleers are ship captains; we were never going to be running around, as the same characters, doing "Rainbow Six" -type stuff in outposts or personally leading the charge on the battlefield. Our statistics are strictly those of a pilot: strength and hand-eye coordination appear nowhere on our charts.
So-- who was going to do it?
I personally expected some sort of RTS, a top-down maneuvering of tanks, infantry, artillery, and so on as seen from orbit, or maybe a Rainbow Six-style squad shooter, with the capsuleer giving orders from the safety of the capsule and a bunch of grunts out there doing their best to follow them. Poor guys.
Turns out, CCP's more ambitious than my imagination. Why settle for doing these mechanics as a lame afterthought when CCP can do a separate, linked game, let it run on a completely different engine, and just have the two worlds talk to one another?
We wanted marines. To a large degree, we needed marines; ground-pounders were being left out of the game entirely, and what were we left with?
POS warfare.
The only thing that made POS warfare anything less than mindbogglingly tedious was when each side showed up with enough dreadnoughts to choke (not coincidentally) a server so as to batter the target into reinforced in a matter of minutes. And what was it as a result? Maddening.
Make all the noise you like about this not being the sov fix you wanted. Boo freaking hoo. Every change to come along, someone insists it's ruining Eve. Every time, there are hordes screaming "I'm quitting!"-- which frankly are increasingly music to my ears.
Change is scary. Too bad. Go on, you pack of whiners: hit the road. The game needs to evolve or it will die, and so far it's doing one hell of a job evolving.
So, now we have marines, in spades. We'll be able to hire them, manufacture equipment for them, send them into battle after battle, and ultimately include them in our alliances.
This is not going to be a "let's hold a round of CounterStrike filled with random players to see who wins the system" sort of game. It will involve corps, which, if you want to apply the FPS label as broadly as possible, would probably be the equivalent of "clans."
This is, in short, looking both workable and like it plugs a hole in the game I wasn't expecting to see plugged until sometime in the middle of next decade.
TL/DR: "It fills a gap in the world and warfare EVE itself wouldn't have been able to touch until 2015."
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:45:26 Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:44:38
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
"Hey guys check out this new game we are making! sorry but you can't play it, this is for completely different player audience. Oh and just to make things interesting, we let those new players determine the fate of your 0.0 alliances. Isn't that exciting?"
You made me lol, it's funny because it is so true.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:25:00 -
[708]
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Ephemeron Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:45:26 Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:44:38
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
"Hey guys check out this new game we are making! sorry but you can't play it, this is for completely different player audience. Oh and just to make things interesting, we let those new players determine the fate of your 0.0 alliances. Isn't that exciting?"
You made me lol, it's funny because it is so true.
Kekeke, everytime you make one of these poasts Ghoest a ccp dev gets to pop open a bree and chuckle as he adds another tick mark to the 'U Got CCP Trolled, Forumite' column of thier Dust info speculation chart..
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Nai Ling
Amarr Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:12:00 -
[709]
Originally by: Aria Jenneth ...stuff...
Who's this "we" you keep talking about? I didn't ask for Planetary conquest. A couple years back when Constellation sovereignty was introduced, I remember a lot of complaining going on, but it was something that could be controlled within EVE Online. Implementing DUST, you would have to put your trust and ISK in the hands of your 10 y/o cousin who doesn't know the difference between team and enemy, and pray to your dear fuzzy lord that those bumbling idiots don't screw up your mission...
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:49:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Nai Ling Implementing DUST, you would have to put your trust and ISK in the hands of your 10 y/o cousin who doesn't know the difference between team and enemy, and pray to your dear fuzzy lord that those bumbling idiots don't screw up your mission...
Sorry, but all things controlled in EVE should stay with EVE.
That's why you do some checking up and make a point of hiring the good ones. As in, people who have actually gotten organized, formed a corp, and shown themselves to be capable.
I doubt the 10-year-olds will be getting access to nullsec, anyway; the faction war just screams "DUST Noob turf". Probably they'll start out playing for one faction army or another, and the 10-year-olds will just stay there until the "next big thing" comes along, then wander off.
What'll be interesting is what's left, or what rises above the rabble. That's who you'll be dealing with; the young ones aren't going to be interested.
Those we, as Eve players, deal with are generally not going to be a bunch of teamkilling idiots. Said teamkilling idiots will have been thrown out of the corp and left to fend for themselves; what remains should be much more worthwhile, something along the lines of our existing endless supply of wannabe merc corps, only this time with something to actually sell.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:04:00 -
[711]
Reposted from my corp's forum:
I think Dust is a good thing. Frankly, it fills a gap that the core EvE game has; easily accessible quick action. And it does it in a way that means you can have your twitch-fix and still contribute to your "main" EvE goals. Are you really so very fond of POS shoots that you wouldn't prefer virtually anything else than the current way? I am certainly not.
I'm just hoping very much that CCP have the sense to incorporate it into the EvE client somehow, even if MSOFT won't let them do it straight away... I would very gladly pay extra on my main sub for Dust access.
CCP have always had the goal of making EvE a full Science Fiction sim, not just a spaceships game, and now they're getting their arses in gear. One thing that Dust does is make the EvE map much larger: now every system has 1-16 new "locations" where stuff can actually happen. I've always wanted to see what those planets looked like, and maybe soon I'll get the chance.
I think CCP's long term goal is to have some kind of EvE-verse game available to just about every kind of platform and player, and I think they have the balls and the imagination to pull it off. I can see this being only the first of a succession of projects in the EvE-verse; they can expand on Dust with the long-awaited atmospheric flight, and maybe with mecha as well (double awesome!). There is a LOT they could do with exploration/archeology/hacking as well; they could be a hell of a lot more fun than just sitting in space watching a module timer run down over and over and over until your 5% chance finally comes in; maybe we'll actually get to do the exploration and hacking. EvE's market and industry could be accessible to a browser game. Planetary environments could be created by an MMO Sim game, in turn feeding back in to Dust
As far as your elite veteran player's sense of entitlement... yeah well too damb bad mate. You're gonna get jolted out of your cosy comfy asset and SP advantage buffer and have to compete on level terms. Are you going to man up and adapt, or cry about the good ol' days when people respected you dambit, and '09s knew their place, and there was honey still for tea?
Sack up, Nancy. This is likely only the start.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:09:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Malcanis Reposted from my corp's forum:
I think Dust is a good thing. Frankly, it fills a gap that the core EvE game has; easily accessible quick action. And it does it in a way that means you can have your twitch-fix and still contribute to your "main" EvE goals. Are you really so very fond of POS shoots that you wouldn't prefer virtually anything else than the current way? I am certainly not.
I'm just hoping very much that CCP have the sense to incorporate it into the EvE client somehow, even if MSOFT won't let them do it straight away... I would very gladly pay extra on my main sub for Dust access.
CCP have always had the goal of making EvE a full Science Fiction sim, not just a spaceships game, and now they're getting their arses in gear. One thing that Dust does is make the EvE map much larger: now every system has 1-16 new "locations" where stuff can actually happen. I've always wanted to see what those planets looked like, and maybe soon I'll get the chance.
I think CCP's long term goal is to have some kind of EvE-verse game available to just about every kind of platform and player, and I think they have the balls and the imagination to pull it off. I can see this being only the first of a succession of projects in the EvE-verse; they can expand on Dust with the long-awaited atmospheric flight, and maybe with mecha as well (double awesome!). There is a LOT they could do with exploration/archeology/hacking as well; they could be a hell of a lot more fun than just sitting in space watching a module timer run down over and over and over until your 5% chance finally comes in; maybe we'll actually get to do the exploration and hacking. EvE's market and industry could be accessible to a browser game. Planetary environments could be created by an MMO Sim game, in turn feeding back in to Dust
As far as your elite veteran player's sense of entitlement... yeah well too damb bad mate. You're gonna get jolted out of your cosy comfy asset and SP advantage buffer and have to compete on level terms. Are you going to man up and adapt, or cry about the good ol' days when people respected you dambit, and '09s knew their place, and there was honey still for tea?
Sack up, Nancy. This is likely only the start.
Well said!
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:13:00 -
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one problem that i can see is with game controllers and mouse/keyboard. Someone said that mouse/keyboard are already available for consoles.
Wouldnt this cause a huge inbalance between those who already have a mouse for their console and those who dont?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:47:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Agonizer42 one problem that i can see is with game controllers and mouse/keyboard. Someone said that mouse/keyboard are already available for consoles.
Wouldnt this cause a huge inbalance between those who already have a mouse for their console and those who dont?
Adapt or die I guess. A perfectly usable generic wired usb kb/mouse combo can normaly be had for under $10 at the local superstore with the better logitec wireless combo's starting at around $20ish.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:56:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Agonizer42 one problem that i can see is with game controllers and mouse/keyboard. Someone said that mouse/keyboard are already available for consoles.
Wouldnt this cause a huge inbalance between those who already have a mouse for their console and those who dont?
Adapt or die I guess. A perfectly usable generic wired usb kb/mouse combo can normaly be had for under $10 at the local superstore with the better logitec wireless combo's starting at around $20ish.
yea ok. but i have my ps3 in my bedroom. how am i supposed to play while lying in my bed with a keyboard and mouse........
quite complicated i foresee alot of back pain...........
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:07:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Agonizer42 yea ok. but i have my ps3 in my bedroom. how am i supposed to play while lying in my bed with a keyboard and mouse........
quite complicated i foresee alot of back pain...........
This plus this maybe?
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:32:00 -
[717]
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Agonizer42 one problem that i can see is with game controllers and mouse/keyboard. Someone said that mouse/keyboard are already available for consoles.
Wouldnt this cause a huge inbalance between those who already have a mouse for their console and those who dont?
Adapt or die I guess. A perfectly usable generic wired usb kb/mouse combo can normaly be had for under $10 at the local superstore with the better logitec wireless combo's starting at around $20ish.
yea ok. but i have my ps3 in my bedroom. how am i supposed to play while lying in my bed with a keyboard and mouse........
quite complicated i foresee alot of back pain...........
I used to use a shelf that was left over from an Ikea bookshelf. It was exactly the right size for using as a sort of lap-tray for a KB & Mouse.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:08:00 -
[718]
Edited by: Tamahra on 21/08/2009 11:14:50 translated text version of gamona.de¦s video interview with petursson:
Part 1:
Gamona: Hilar So what is "Dust 514" anyway?
Hilmar PTturrson: The game is a great online first-person shooter for consoles and coupled with the PC version of EVE Online .Wenn you play on a DUST battlefield, you can conquer the planet from the EVE universe, or just lose.
Gamona: The planets thus unite the two worlds?
Hilmar PTturrson: Exactly. The two worlds influence each other significantly. You can of course just have fun playing the one or the other game, without having to think of the connection between the worlds and the consequences. Yet everything has an influence on each other. Whether you have a battle win or lose will affect thousands or tens of thousands of players. Both games contain elements of strategy. Even the battlefields offer room for tactics.
You can build different buildings on the battlefield to influence what the outcome of a battle will be. There are real-time strategy elements and the connection to the elements of an MMO and persistent world. It has an impact on the EVE world, if you fight on the planet. But there are persistent elements in Dust. You can develop your character, level up, own objects, these all have all come together in "Dust" and brings the PC and console games together in one single universe.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:14:00 -
[719]
Edited by: Tamahra on 21/08/2009 11:15:25
Part 2:
gamona: Is the game only for the console?
Hilmar PTturrson: We focus on making a unique shooter for the console. We have, over the years, seen people who really have played EVE excited because it is holding so much to offer, with its own independent ingame social environment, with its own ingame economy. But the experiences in EVE are based on a particular game style and is not intended for players who need a lot of different play styles to have fun.
So we thought: What is the exact opposite of what we have now? And that is a first-person shooter. So we want to bring all the shooters and EVE fans together in the EVE Universe.
So we will unite these different things. And I think we have something big to create what, with only one game, would not have been possible. The genre itself is the most influential part. If you ever look at how the shooters have developed, you will find that the innovations are restricted to the class choice.
But what is missing so far is still a meaningful event or a meaningful consequence when you have won. In normal shooters it's like an endless repeat loop. You're fighting against the enemy, die, respawn ... It changes nothing.
Now we have a persistent world. Everything you do has an impact. I'm playing first-person shooters myself and i believe that this is an enrichment for the genre, and the next step in the evolution of shooters.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:15:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Ephemeron Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:45:26 Edited by: Ephemeron on 19/08/2009 18:44:38
So at the Fanfest they'll have all-PC audience of hardcore EVE gamers, and CCP will present their console exclusive Dust game that influences 0.0 sov.
"Hey guys check out this new game we are making! sorry but you can't play it, this is for completely different player audience. Oh and just to make things interesting, we let those new players determine the fate of your 0.0 alliances. Isn't that exciting?"
You made me lol, it's funny because it is so true.
Kekeke, everytime you make one of these poasts Ghoest a ccp dev gets to pop open a bree and chuckle as he adds another tick mark to the 'U Got CCP Trolled, Forumite' column of thier Dust info speculation chart..
Not sure what you are getting at there, I guess my reading comprehension is not up par.
I actually lolled in RL with Ephemeron's post, he posted that tho, not me ...
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:21:00 -
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Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
This is similarly seperated in the game, since the eve players and the console players are other types of players. Therefore no "Dust" soldier will be able to connect to a spaceship, fly around with it and chase things through the air. That is a different department.
Gamona: When will "Dust" be released?
Hilmar PTturrson: We still have no release date given. For us, it is important that the full potential is being worked out. It is important that both sides work and connect correctly.
Therefore, we have no specific target date. But we are working for 3 years now and this is already damn far.
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:47:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Tamahra This is similarly seperated in the game, since the eve players and the console players are other types of players.
It's very clear which are CCP intentions with all this crapp: retain EVE's playerbase and negate them new content while gaining a new audience by keeping accounts separated and preobably with diffirent subscription fees. If you want to play the new content you'll have to pay two subscriptions.
I'm sure a lot of the EVE's playerbase as PC players are also FPS players, but this dellusion is clearlly intended. Also is probable MS or Sony have paid CCP good money for exclusivity regarding to platform.
CCP's market research though, should take into account how different are console & PC's audience when it comes to player retention, and longevity of both platform/technology and average playing time. How this is going to match with a 6 years old game universe? When the novelty passes most Dust players are going to go to better ventures or go back to their Halo game, it's very difficult to get a feet in such a competitive market, and most FPS players won't give a crapp about the EVE IP neither such thing as enduring cosnequences for their actions.
We will see how this all plays out. WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 21/08/2009 12:16:44 It would be nice for CCP to introduce new content that would actually affect me.. Faction warfare was/is out of the question, epic missions...standings grinding no thanks.... etc. For the past year its mainly about being hit with various nerfs.
Quote:
Hilmar PTturrson: Exactly. The two worlds influence each other significantly.
I just cant get to the bottom of this. Why would players on console have the power to affect eve since they cant get up on a spaceship and see what they have done? And vice versa. Naturally I would like to see this happen but what is the correct way to do it..
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:56:00 -
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I wish that CCP would be mature enough of a developer to actually release information about their project when they go official. All this "significant" and other all encompassing words that Hellmar uses are to vague and offer no real information on what the effect of the console game will have on EVE.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:04:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Tamahra This is similarly seperated in the game, since the eve players and the console players are other types of players. Therefore no "Dust" soldier will be able to connect to a spaceship, fly around with it and chase things through the air. That is a different department.
Did he just hint about atmospheric flight????
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that would be the PC side of Dust.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:19:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Tamahra
Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
Except that in the Navy and the Airforce, the enlisted members are fighting for a cause, the same cause and they do so because they are part of that nation, but you are saying in DUST they will all be mercenaries.
I'm sorry but I find the scenario to be a complete disconnect from the world of Eve that we play in, from the suspension of disbelief, the immersion in the game. it is a quite ludicrous scenario to imagine that in space everyone belongs to an alliance or a faction/milita and is a greater or lesser extent invested in the success of that institution for something other than isk, but as soon as one ventures planetside, one becomes nothing more than an isk hungry merc ?
To me this seems to be too much of a stretch, like a godawful plot hole in a poorly written book or film. I know it's just a game, but it should at least be believable whislt we play it. This part needs looking at again IMHO as it just sux badly ATM.
I has 17 XBOX can I get sov ??
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Fudol
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:37:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Tamahra Edited by: Tamahra on 21/08/2009 11:15:25
Part 2:
gamona: Is the game only for the console?
Hilmar PTturrson: We focus on making a unique shooter for the console.
Maybe it's just me but it doesn't look like a definitive statement . The first time when asked the same question he smiles, this time instead of just simply answering ,,yes" he says about focusing on consoles .
Personally I dont believe there will be a PC port but maybe CCP will suprise PC gamers with something else ...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 14:49:00 -
[728]
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky I wish that CCP would be mature enough of a developer to actually release information about their project when they go official. All this "significant" and other all encompassing words that Hellmar uses are to vague and offer no real information on what the effect of the console game will have on EVE.
They get a laugh out of the forum HURF BLURF
Just admit it CCP.
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Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 15:07:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Tamahra
Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
Except that in the Navy and the Airforce, the enlisted members are fighting for a cause, the same cause and they do so because they are part of that nation, but you are saying in DUST they will all be mercenaries.
I'm sorry but I find the scenario to be a complete disconnect from the world of Eve that we play in, from the suspension of disbelief, the immersion in the game. it is a quite ludicrous scenario to imagine that in space everyone belongs to an alliance or a faction/milita and is a greater or lesser extent invested in the success of that institution for something other than isk, but as soon as one ventures planetside, one becomes nothing more than an isk hungry merc ?
To me this seems to be too much of a stretch, like a godawful plot hole in a poorly written book or film. I know it's just a game, but it should at least be believable whislt we play it. This part needs looking at again IMHO as it just sux badly ATM.
It's all about breaking the sandbox, and formatting more and more the gameplay via game mechanics. Hopefully metagaming will win the game and skip the formatted path CCP is building for us.
Is funny not long ago the wonderfull (even if unrealistic) marketing video of butterfly effect was released, and now they are bombing us with straightfordward gameplay.
By the little spech that has been done by Hilmar, it looks like that interaction will be really formatted in the beginning, losing a lot of the sandbox feeling. But I guess we have to wait a bit more until fanfest lo. WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations.
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.21 16:35:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Fudol
Originally by: Tamahra
Personally I dont believe there will be a PC port but maybe CCP will suprise PC gamers with something else ...
i hope so too. maybe atmospheric flight and WiS both in the same expansion (the 2010 summer one)
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.21 19:49:00 -
[731]
big kiss to CCP :=)
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Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:39:00 -
[732]
Hoping that all this proposed/alleged interactivity between the two games allows:
A) my pilot/ship in EvE, to B) fly a "bomber" over a planet in DUST, to C) nuke the crap out of DUST noobs on the surface of said planet, and D) then fly home to the skankiest strip clubs in Jita for cold beer and "high 5's" with the rest of the adults.
Can't see it being worthwhile otherwise.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.08.21 20:48:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Tamahra
Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
Except that in the Navy and the Airforce, the enlisted members are fighting for a cause, the same cause and they do so because they are part of that nation, but you are saying in DUST they will all be mercenaries.
I'm sorry but I find the scenario to be a complete disconnect from the world of Eve that we play in, from the suspension of disbelief, the immersion in the game. it is a quite ludicrous scenario to imagine that in space everyone belongs to an alliance or a faction/milita and is a greater or lesser extent invested in the success of that institution for something other than isk, but as soon as one ventures planetside, one becomes nothing more than an isk hungry merc ?
To me this seems to be too much of a stretch, like a godawful plot hole in a poorly written book or film. I know it's just a game, but it should at least be believable whislt we play it. This part needs looking at again IMHO as it just sux badly ATM.
Well, there's this (in this very thread!):
Linkage
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:01:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Chantilly Layce Hoping that all this proposed/alleged interactivity between the two games allows:
A) my pilot/ship in EvE, to B) fly a "bomber" over a planet in DUST, to C) nuke the crap out of DUST noobs on the surface of said planet, and D) then fly home to the skankiest strip clubs in Jita for cold beer and "high 5's" with the rest of the adults.
Can't see it being worthwhile otherwise.
could it be that your stance on balance is "slightly" different from the majority of gamers
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:53:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Tamahra
Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
Except that in the Navy and the Airforce, the enlisted members are fighting for a cause, the same cause and they do so because they are part of that nation, but you are saying in DUST they will all be mercenaries.
I'm sorry but I find the scenario to be a complete disconnect from the world of Eve that we play in, from the suspension of disbelief, the immersion in the game. it is a quite ludicrous scenario to imagine that in space everyone belongs to an alliance or a faction/milita and is a greater or lesser extent invested in the success of that institution for something other than isk, but as soon as one ventures planetside, one becomes nothing more than an isk hungry merc ?
To me this seems to be too much of a stretch, like a godawful plot hole in a poorly written book or film. I know it's just a game, but it should at least be believable whislt we play it. This part needs looking at again IMHO as it just sux badly ATM.
Well, there's this (in this very thread!):
Linkage http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/Staatsschutz/Eve2.jpg
Image changed to URL. Zymurgist
so why the hell is he calling them all mercenaries ? Does the CEO even know about the game he is spouting on about ?
I has 17 XBOX can I get sov ??
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:54:00 -
[736]
Edited by: Lusulpher on 22/08/2009 14:58:22
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Tamahra
Part 3:
Gamona: Will it be possible to play the same character in both games or what is the connection?
Hilmar PTturrson: no. As it was already explained in the background story, the pilots are very different from the mercenaries. It's a bit like the Air Force and the Navy. You can not simultaneously be in the Navy and the Air Force.
Except that in the Navy and the Airforce, the enlisted members are fighting for a cause, the same cause and they do so because they are part of that nation, but you are saying in DUST they will all be mercenaries.
I'm sorry but I find the scenario to be a complete disconnect from the world of Eve that we play in, from the suspension of disbelief, the immersion in the game. it is a quite ludicrous scenario to imagine that in space everyone belongs to an alliance or a faction/milita and is a greater or lesser extent invested in the success of that institution for something other than isk, but as soon as one ventures planetside, one becomes nothing more than an isk hungry merc ?
To me this seems to be too much of a stretch, like a godawful plot hole in a poorly written book or film. I know it's just a game, but it should at least be believable whislt we play it. This part needs looking at again IMHO as it just sux badly ATM.
Well, there's this (in this very thread!):
Linkage http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/Staatsschutz/Eve2.jpg
Image changed to URL. Zymurgist
so why the hell is he calling them all mercenaries ? Does the CEO even know about the game he is spouting on about ?
No. Hilmar did not know that he had to pay the stripper to make her dance at last Fanfest. I'm still laughing.
He is INCREDIBLY BUSY acquiring servers, those new blades are not cheap(1000+ fleet fights without lag and on premium graphics, what an ass he is). God forbid he plays unreleased expansions all day instead of making sure he puts food on his employee's tables.
Anyway, Dust is the Aliens-esque Scifi vision I have been hanging onto EVE for. Period. I'm happy simply to control the grunts, as long as I get to bombard them. I'll pay an additional fee if I get to fly in atmospheres like that Mega(glad it wasn't a Hype being popped), but EVE expansions are free, and this is an expansion, one you don't have to play. Just let the grunts onto your territory to "defend/maintain" it, with bullets and tanks and jets. They will shoot outsiders whether you pay them or not, you will only be asked for supplying them with with aid IF someone want to take your non-special planet, deep in null where only hostiles live. Will this be in null?
Rewatch the World Domination presentation from last year, they showed how this would work. Start at 1 hr, 3 mins.
And the new Fanfest is still not over, so NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING CONCRETE. CCP this is also your fault, this tongue in cheek stuff makes us paranoid children and you love it. Lolita comes to mind. We don't like it rough.
------------ Eve is dying. Not becoming the greatest Gameverse ever crafted by Man...not that. Nope. WoW has more interesting gameplay and scale, and revolutionary concepts. EVE is silly stuff for 12 yr olds.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:33:00 -
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moving the heise.de interview to page 25 now, since ill have to add newer news to the original post
heise.de has sat down with Petursson and had a few words with him. They upped the conversation on heise.de
(roughly translated from german)
In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
Also after the launch of Dust514 its gonna be constantly evolved and updated with new content.
With each battle, players will gain more experience, more power, and access to better weapons.
DUST 514 is to become a Shooter with strategy elements.
The player number for the individual engagements moves somewhere between 16 and 256, with exact numbers will be specified at a later time.
Dust514 will be finished "when its done", presumably sometime between 2010 and 2012, because then the next console generation goes to the start (not clear if Petursson has said that, or if the interviewers assumed that)
Depending on how much money the Eve sides dumps into their dust squad, the dust squat gets equipped better and with better weapons.
Eve and Dust players are to be able to communicate directly with each other.
Source:
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
Eve and Dust players are to be able to communicate directly with each other. [/i]
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:50:00 -
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I have added new news to the original post.
onlinewelten.de has catched Petursson and snagged some information from him:
Ill do a complete translation lateron. The most important points that onlinewelten.de claims to have snagged from him during a talk they had with him:
- the hotly anticipated "Walking in Stations" is to be expected next year, but not at its beginning - Also for next year an upgrade to the planets is to be expected - A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers - COSMOS will play a great role for the community of both platforms - one of the playmodes in dust will be "domination". It is about capturing and holding strategic points, and comes with the ability to install buildings
Source: Linkage
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Vysnaite
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:53:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Tamahra
- A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
I'm speechless. It better be available on pc then.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2009.08.22 17:12:00 -
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wtf! sounds like CCP is turning into Bobby Kotick.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr The Penumbra Initiative
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Posted - 2009.08.22 17:55:00 -
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This looks so awesome.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:08:00 -
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So the future of EVE rests on kiddies with ADHD playing the console game?
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Soi Mala
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:48:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Tamahra
- A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
****ing **** **** ****ers.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:10:00 -
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Quote: A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
A Corporation?
Not Sov holding Alliance?
Not huge mega Corp with fingers in all sorts of pies?
Joe Random small Corp "must have access to good Dusties" in order to "remain successfull"??
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Quote: A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
A Corporation?
Not Sov holding Alliance?
Not huge mega Corp with fingers in all sorts of pies?
Joe Random small Corp "must have access to good Dusties" in order to "remain successfull"??
Joe is sooo going to sue you
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Quote: A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
A Corporation?
Not Sov holding Alliance?
Not huge mega Corp with fingers in all sorts of pies?
Joe Random small Corp "must have access to good Dusties" in order to "remain successfull"??
i think its clear that petursson meant the sov holding alliances
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:33:00 -
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I think DUST is a great idea, and something that had never been done before.
Even if it fails, a lot of doors in the MMO industry will be opened.
Who would have ever thought CCP could get this far.
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Ruric Arsov
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Posted - 2009.08.23 08:33:00 -
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I think someone needs to call the wambulance.
Looks good overall, like a solid shooter in itself but also pretty gritty unlike most sci-fi shooters that have been released lately. If they do it well on a large scale, they'll likely attract a good portion of the old Planetside community to. Wouldn't mind seeing if I could get the core elements of my old outfit together on this new game if it turns out well and good.
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oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.08.23 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool. x |
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:37:00 -
[751]
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool.
looks like its going to be a persistent MMO world though, with level-ups and all
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:44:00 -
[752]
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool.
looks like its going to be a persistent MMO world though, with level-ups and all
Not heard of Abo before, link please?
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oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:48:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool.
looks like its going to be a persistent MMO world though, with level-ups and all
Not heard of Abo before, link please?
Abo is short for "Abonnement" which means "subscription". x |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.23 10:55:00 -
[754]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool.
looks like its going to be a persistent MMO world though, with level-ups and all
Not heard of Abo before, link please?
Linkage
translates to
In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
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Dillon Arklight
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 23/08/2009 13:13:41 Sorry if its already been posted i just noticed it and havent had time to scan all the 26 pages :P
In the presentation theres a picture on the screen for about a second of what looks like "vehicle customisation" in DUST.
It looks like it has a similar "slots" system as EVE Ships.
screenie Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dillon Arklight Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 23/08/2009 13:10:43 Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 23/08/2009 13:10:33 Sorry if its already been posted i just noticed it and havent had time to scan all the 26 pages :P
In the presentation theres a picture on the screen for about a second of what looks like "vehicle customisation" in DUST.
It looks like it has a similar "slots" system as EVE Ships.
screenie
links broken
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Dillon Arklight
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 23/08/2009 13:15:45 Link Fixed.
Screenie Co-host of PODDED Podcast http://podded.libsyn.com/
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:25:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Dillon Arklight Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 23/08/2009 13:15:45 Link Fixed.
Screenie
wow...just wow. thank you :=)
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:44:00 -
[759]
Originally by: T'san Manaan
Good find. yup that definatly looks like a fitting screen, maybe this game will be deeper thn I thought :)
i think next year will see a huge lot of awesomesauce for eve online lol
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.23 15:53:00 -
[760]
Originally by: T'san Manaan
Good find. yup that definatly looks like a fitting screen, maybe this game will be deeper thn I thought :)
Maybe it won't be totaly twitch either, guess we'll have to wait to know.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council Seposita Astrum
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Posted - 2009.08.23 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 23/08/2009 15:57:52
Originally by: Lagn Gita
Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 18/08/2009 10:20:52 http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24886
hmm, not sure if I am happy with this ...
Quote: The announcement, with the trailer tagline of "one universe, one war"
one universe, one war, two ways to fight it, 2 subscription fees, 2 gaming systems.
EDIT: Fixed Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2009.08.23 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 23/08/2009 16:10:04 They've been saying for three years that planetary interaction was coming into EVE, and most of my friends have stayed hoping it would come into Tranquility. Now they announce that they have been working on another game during that time, seems like we get the proverbial carrot on a stick in front of us to keep going, then slapped with this.
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2009.08.23 16:36:00 -
[763]
Originally by: Tamahra
- A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar Blood Association of Dragons Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2009.08.23 16:42:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Originally by: Tamahra
- A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers
That's just insane, CCP must be having a manic episode.
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.23 17:05:00 -
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http://journal.wheel-of-games.com/en/2009/08/ccp-winning-the-war/
slightly longer video that shows the full DUST trailer.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.23 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: T'san Manaan http://journal.wheel-of-games.com/en/2009/08/ccp-winning-the-war/
slightly longer video that shows the full DUST trailer.
oh nice, watching right now
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.23 17:41:00 -
[767]
thx again, have linked to it in the original post
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Sad Spectre
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Posted - 2009.08.23 19:24:00 -
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In the vid, you can see the fleet and a line of text like "in orbit arround Intaki V" or something. And there is a Ferox for sure, or a NH...
Im starting to think that the fleet will have an important role in the battle.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.23 19:33:00 -
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If you look at Day of Darkness II video you can also see some planetary scenes at the beginning of it. The bombing od Caldary prime. Looks like dust stuff to me.
They guy doing the vid got invited to CCP offices and got to use some of their video tools for it. Perhaps they had already something like that planned and some video ready back then.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.23 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 23/08/2009 19:44:30
Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 23/08/2009 16:10:04 They've been saying for three years that planetary interaction was coming into EVE, and most of my friends have stayed hoping it would come into Tranquility. Now they announce that they have been working on another game during that time, seems like we get the proverbial carrot on a stick in front of us to keep going, then slapped with this.
Exactly this!
Actually, you can blame SOE for many things, but at least they incorporated Jump to Lightspeed into the main game.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.23 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 23/08/2009 19:53:26 eddie gordo from dust514.org has upped the vid on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEPUX7hUmDw
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hoo Is
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Well my theory is that it will be a console FPS game that will hook in to the EVE universe as part of planetary interaction.
In less than 24h we will know.
BS....
Here's the truth, it will be the single player version of EVE on a console.
This will make it so that all the multi-boxers who don't like the "Multi-Player" part of this MMO can not waste bandwidth running their 86,735 alts.
It is an MMO, players fighting against other players, PVP. I saw nothing in the current press release which remotely classifies a single player mode.
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 23/08/2009 20:36:36
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Tamahra In the discussion with heise on-line CEO Hilmar Veigar PTtursson stated that Dust, if one sees on the history of CCP - will probably be based on a Abo based on-line Shooter in a MMO world.
With Abo based i guess you mean subscription based? Thats just not cool.
looks like its going to be a persistent MMO world though, with level-ups and all
DUST's format will probably be closest to MAG's (Massive Action Game-to be released in 1Q 2010 by the Devs. of the Sony SOCOM series OF shooters). Level Ups may be similar to Killzone 2's/COD4's. Either way, it is a GREAT concept and will be well received by the gamimg community on Console platforms, the prominent home, currently, for the FPS market. CCP is smart. The profit will help them expand EVE's PC based foundation, with a cross platform established universe not far behind1! You go, CCP! Mad props to you!
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex If you look at Day of Darkness II video you can also see some planetary scenes at the beginning of it. The bombing od Caldary prime. Looks like dust stuff to me.
They guy doing the vid got invited to CCP offices and got to use some of their video tools for it. Perhaps they had already something like that planned and some video ready back then.
Except that Dire Lauthris actually explained how those scenes were manufactured. He used CCP's preredering movie software (probably the same used in the Mekhios battle scene in the Empyrean Age trailer) and used Caldari stations and structures to build a planetary city. -----
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Night Nerub
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.08.23 23:10:00 -
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So we saw in the news recently that Ishukone got Intaki in the auction. And in the trailer there were Ishukone branded ships fighting on Intaki V was it? Well it would seem the Intaki people didn't take kindly to being ruled huh. A rebellion perhaps?
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Night Nerub So we saw in the news recently that Ishukone got Intaki in the auction. And in the trailer there were Ishukone branded ships fighting on Intaki V was it? Well it would seem the Intaki people didn't take kindly to being ruled huh. A rebellion perhaps?
A pod pilot corporation/alliance funded rebellion even!
The video seems to be the same as the original, although the docking and the view screen bit was new to me, and totally awesome.
One thing I didn't see on the battle-sequence section though was a FoF tag - things were getting shot at but it wasn't clear which team was who. The ship that concused our POV player was the same that destroyed the ship though.
It's been described as PVP and RTS so perhaps the pod pilots above the planet/docked in station will be providing the intel and perhaps equipment to the ground troops below. Actually it's stated here "A player in EVE can command a team of mercenaries in DUST to infiltrate a territory in EVE. This way there is a community crossover between DUST and EVE."- source on original post.
I've also read on the same site that the name has been changed from abulation to 'Incarna'. We should stop asking when Ambulation or WiS is going to be released and start using the term Incarna then so they can't weasle out of giving the answer "When it's done".
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Carniflex If you look at Day of Darkness II video you can also see some planetary scenes at the beginning of it. The bombing od Caldary prime. Looks like dust stuff to me.
They guy doing the vid got invited to CCP offices and got to use some of their video tools for it. Perhaps they had already something like that planned and some video ready back then.
Except that Dire Lauthris actually explained how those scenes were manufactured. He used CCP's preredering movie software (probably the same used in the Mekhios battle scene in the Empyrean Age trailer) and used Caldari stations and structures to build a planetary city.
Roger that. I'm not exactly familiar of the making of that vid. The scene just looked awesome and in the light of all the recent dust hype looked like valid candidate for speculation. I imagine initial scenes of dust planetary assault might look like something like that - ie taking out the planetary defence installations from orbit before you can start lobbing merc clone racks down.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 24/08/2009 06:17:35 added a blog from massively.com about known facts of dust, and about speculation as well. very good read.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:01:00 -
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see original post, ive added it there with links:
What about Dust on the PC? Two different correspondents at the gamescom have questioned Petursson about the platforms its being developed for. The first, from gamespot.com received the following answer:
We questioned Petursson about the platforms the game is being developed for, as well as subscription details, but he declined to comment at this time. But it was confirmed that the game was being developed for "current generation hardware."
The second report, from 4players.de:
4players.de talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra 4players.de talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
Now that makes sense. I'd guess he is required by contract with the console corps to keep quiet about a pc version, lest people may be inclined to skip the console and wait for the pc version, reducing revenue for the console. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Kesper North
Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 20/08/2009 04:23:26
Can anyone-- anyone at all-- explain why having a FPS Eve-influencing console game is unacceptable, but a PC version with its vast potential for world-altering CHEATING is just fine?
I haven't seen anyone even attempting to address this angle.
Because if this goes through, playing DUST will become mandatory for participation in spaceholding 0.0 alliances in much the same way that, oh, I dunno, being able to use TS is now.
And I am not buying a TV and a console. Furthermore, I spend enough time on this game...
-- Killed me? Read about it in my blog! Northern Lights: Solo PVP in EVE Online
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kesper North if this goes through, playing DUST will become mandatory for participation in spaceholding 0.0 alliances
How so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Tamahra 4players.de talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
Now that makes sense. I'd guess he is required by contract with the console corps to keep quiet about a pc version, lest people may be inclined to skip the console and wait for the pc version, reducing revenue for the console.
/this
Like I have said in other threads ccp already has a guaranteed pc playerbase already set up and wanting to buy into this so there is no need to publicly hype it atm. The console crowd is another demographic altogether so it will need ccps entire marketing focus to pull it off. Also why in blazes would ccp wait till fanfest to give anymoar info out if it was not coming out on pc too? If it was console only they would only have a small presentation to tell eve players about the role it will have in sov whilst the main dust 514 website gives out the games exact details. Not exactly something eve players at the fest would be clapping Hilmar on the back about about for holding back info on till then.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Kesper North
Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia How so?
"We are at risk of losing SOV4 in TVN-FM, mandatory CTA console op in DUST at 1600 ET."
-- Killed me? Read about it in my blog! Northern Lights: Solo PVP in EVE Online
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/08/2009 10:35:51
Originally by: Kesper North
Originally by: Tippia How so?
"We are at risk of losing SOV4 in TVN-FM, mandatory CTA console op in DUST at 1600 ET."
…and so they lose all their members, and thus their space. The alliances who forego this silly rule will be able to shore up their numbers and vastly outnumber their narrow-minded enemies — in space and on the ground — and steamroll anyone who refuses to outsource.
That said, I'll admit I didn't read your post thoroughly enough, because I read it as "Dust will be mandatory for space-holding alliances".
Either way, my question remains: how so? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Biggi Raeubertochter on 24/08/2009 10:57:17
Originally by: Tippia I read it as "Dust will be mandatory for space-holding alliances". Either way, my question remains: how so?
i think in order to have GOOD ground troops where you know what they are doing, its mandatory to know who they are and have them fight exlusively for YOUR alliance only.
But if they are from an external community or if they are people from the own alliance, doesnt matter so much i think.
But how the devs gonna avoid that certain dust players firstly fight for this alliance and the next battle they fight for another, is a secret i guess....
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DaXes Halleck
Amarr RED CHILI
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter
But how the devs gonna avoid that certain dust players firstly fight for this alliance and the next battle they fight for another, is a secret i guess....
Mercs fight for the one paying the next pay check.. so perhaps nothing ?
So alliances would need their own loyal troops, perhaps augmented with mercs when needed ?
I don't think Dust will be the utterly deciding factor in sov, more like a input where you would need stronger input from other factors if you don't have planet control from Dust..
So less of a POS spawn if you have planet control.. if you do both, planet loss won't mean as much, or keep sov even if some POSes are shot down... |
Kalo Reglia
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:38:00 -
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so I can carebear it up in empire, then take over a planet in 0.0 with my ground troop?
how can that be bad in any way ? better save up for two subscriptions
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:25:00 -
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moar screenshots, those are dust screenshots of the last fanfest (all links go to my photobucket album):
Linkage the planetary interaction selection screen (Pator I)
Linkage closeup on the description for pator I
Linkage closeup on the description for the selected continent
Linkage early closeup view of one of the tanks we see in the gamescom video
Linkage outdoor combat scene, with some industrial looking structures
Linkage outdoor combat scene, next to some buildings
Linkage buggy driving on a street
Linkage combat scene in the outoors
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra see original post, ive added it there with links:
What about Dust on the PC? Two different correspondents at the gamescom have questioned Petursson about the platforms its being developed for. The first, from gamespot.com received the following answer:
We questioned Petursson about the platforms the game is being developed for, as well as subscription details, but he declined to comment at this time. But it was confirmed that the game was being developed for "current generation hardware."
The second report, from 4players.de:
4players.de talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.
Thats pretty much old news, we read this before, so it is still console only and no mentions of a PC version in the future.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:23:00 -
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If what many fanbois tell will be true and CCP announces a PC version at fanfest and both games have a good influence system in both directions, and the planetary interaction system is for EVE and we get WIS to interact with the mercs, then I will be happy and you can all tell me I told you so and make fun of me all you like, I won't care, because we will have an awesome game.
I doubt it tho.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st it is still console only and no mentions of a PC version in the future.
I personally hope there will be a pc version, but ill buy the console version too if theres only that.
But look at today¦s technology. Current Consoles can also be mounted with mouse and keyboard, so technically there would be no reason to not make a pc version too, other than maybe cheating. Cheating IS an issue on pc-fps games. To prevent cheating, most stuff and calculations would have to happen on their servers, and not on the client side. I have no idea if this would be possible technically.
The only non-technical reason they would not release a pc version is... umm.... maybe... if they have a contract with the console developers that doesnt allow them to make a pc version.
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Re'taka
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: CyberGh0st it is still console only and no mentions of a PC version in the future.
I personally hope there will be a pc version, but ill buy the console version too if theres only that.
But look at today¦s technology. Current Consoles can also be mounted with mouse and keyboard, so technically there would be no reason to not make a pc version too, other than maybe cheating. Cheating IS an issue on pc-fps games. To prevent cheating, most stuff and calculations would have to happen on their servers, and not on the client side. I have no idea if this would be possible technically.
The only non-technical reason they would not release a pc version is... umm.... maybe... if they have a contract with the console developers that doesnt allow them to make a pc version.
To be fair, and I'm only saying, its not like you cant run console games on a PC, it just takes one hell of a pc, and the right software, now is that legal? Who knows, probably not.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 24/08/2009 14:12:07
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: CyberGh0st it is still console only and no mentions of a PC version in the future.
I personally hope there will be a pc version, but ill buy the console version too if theres only that.
But look at today¦s technology. Current Consoles can also be mounted with mouse and keyboard, so technically there would be no reason to not make a pc version too, other than maybe cheating. Cheating IS an issue on pc-fps games. To prevent cheating, most stuff and calculations would have to happen on their servers, and not on the client side. I have no idea if this would be possible technically.
The only non-technical reason they would not release a pc version is... umm.... maybe... if they have a contract with the console developers that doesnt allow them to make a pc version.
Cheating pretty much happens on private servers mostly. Most of the servers in FPS are private.
And even then, during the time I played Unreal Tournament ( all versions including the latest one ) I have seen very little cheating OR they were pretty bad even WITH the cheats, as I was able to compete.
However it won't be on some private server now, it will be a MMOFPS served by CCP, go check planetside, there is not much cheating there ( at least there was not much when I played it ).
Of course if you look at indie games like Darkfall with like no security measures at all and poor coding, then yah, you can be afraid of cheats.
Cheating is only a minor issue when you talk about a FPS MMO on company servers with some good support.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Cheating pretty much happens on private servers mostly. Most of the servers in FPS are private.
And even then, during the time I played Unreal Tournament ( all versions including the latest one ) I have seen very little cheating OR they were pretty bad even WITH the cheats, as I was able to compete.
However it won't be on some private server now, it will be a MMOFPS served by CCP, go check planetside, there is not much cheating there ( at least there was not much when I played it ).
Of course if you look at indie games like Darkfall with like no security measures at all and poor coding, then yah, you can be afraid of cheats.
Cheating is only a minor issue when you talk about a FPS MMO on company servers with some good support.
hahaha you knew where i was going when i mentioned the possible issue of cheating, i was exactly thinking of darkfall as well. But you¦re right, they got pretty poor coding and weak security systems implemented.
I think poor coding wont be the issue with dust514
however, then there is no possible technical reason they wouldnt release it for the PC.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 24/08/2009 14:56:16
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Cheating pretty much happens on private servers mostly. Most of the servers in FPS are private.
And even then, during the time I played Unreal Tournament ( all versions including the latest one ) I have seen very little cheating OR they were pretty bad even WITH the cheats, as I was able to compete.
However it won't be on some private server now, it will be a MMOFPS served by CCP, go check planetside, there is not much cheating there ( at least there was not much when I played it ).
Of course if you look at indie games like Darkfall with like no security measures at all and poor coding, then yah, you can be afraid of cheats.
Cheating is only a minor issue when you talk about a FPS MMO on company servers with some good support.
hahaha you knew where i was going when i mentioned the possible issue of cheating, i was exactly thinking of darkfall as well. But you¦re right, they got pretty poor coding and weak security systems implemented.
I think poor coding wont be the issue with dust514
however, then there is no possible technical reason they wouldnt release it for the PC.
I agree, but if CCP would release a PC version, then they made a communication blunder by not telling us. Unless they have to release exclusively, however it is already confirmed afaik, that it would go on both PS3 and XBOX360, or am I mistaken?
If they have to release it later, like 3-6 months later, then it would suck as well, just not as bad.
It's like someone else said, what will CCP be telling to all the hardcore EVE Online players that only play on a PC? Still I doubt they will reveal a PC version there.
Either way it will be healthy for me to take a break from EVE, it's just that, this is pretty much the last mainstream sandbox out there, if this one goes sour ... well there is still Ryzom, but that is so small and fragile currently, it is hard to say if it will still exist next year. Whereas with EVE the future was pretty much set.
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:27:00 -
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thinking dust winds up in the eve client somewhere down the road.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Cheating pretty much happens on private servers mostly. Most of the servers in FPS are private.
Cheating would be a concern on PCs, even the so called cheat protectors don't do anything. Those things run in user mode, a lot of the cheats run in kernel mode, far below what user mode software can detect.
Now it could be, though I'm doubting it, that Dust is something that won't care about all sorts of hacks. For instance, Eve could care less if you've got an aim bot, what's the point. There was Bacon of course and macros are hard to overcome, but ... If it is more of a third person RTSish sort of game play, like Eve sorta kinda is, then ... Maybe hacks don't matter as much. Thing is, we don't know. Even though the game play showed what looked very FPSish, that doesn't mean the camera wasn't on some half autonomous soldier in "FPS view".
Maybe dust is more RTS like, let's say, a player controls a squad of 5-10 soldiers, and he can give them orders and they have fields of fire, and it's all about shoot and scoot, and the lil soldier guys are semi-autonomous kinda like Total War guys are. Who knows, but that would be less cheatable than the typical PC FPS.
... But, vid sure didn't look that way did it?
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Ysabelle nKataros
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 24/08/2009 17:35:03 Does anyone else think Dust has been designed as an additional ISK sink for EVE?
Plus, my money is on the RTS side of Dust being like Battlezone II.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros
Does anyone else think Dust has been designed as an additional ISK sink for EVE?
Well, that depends ... Suppose no more need for POS to claim Sov. That's a big ISK sink removed. Also, what if players make all the stuff soldiers use. Alliances pay the Dust peeps, and Dust peeps buy the stuff Eve people make and mine. The Sink there is stuff blowing up, but that would be a capital sink, though not necessarily an ISK sink. That ISK would flow around the economy. BPOs to make all that stuff and maybe some other costs to make that stuff would be a sink. My guess, bottom line, is for an alliance, it'll be about the same as it now.
LOL, what I hope we don't see is a huge convoluted building tree for stuff. I can make a battle ship that is hundreds of meters long now very easily. I would hate to see to build a tank it takes a BPO, a secret chip from some rare rat and 603 uber-trit-freak-a-roids from the depths of pirate hell.
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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oil
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: oil on 24/08/2009 18:03:22 if they deny the longtime eve players the ability to take part in dust (i wont buy a fecking console just for this) then it might become a flop. might also be that some eveplayers lose interest in eve because there are areas where they cant acces. i was excited about the news because thats what i wanted in eve. leaving the spaceship thing behind if i want. now i am disapointed.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: oil might also be that some eveplayers lose interest in eve because there are areas where they cant acces.
this could become an issue, i agree
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 24/08/2009 19:18:56 well, according to eurogamer.de CCP has secured the trademark dust514 for xbox360, ps3 AND PC.
Linkage
Like, they could have secured the trademark for MAC too. But its clearly for PC. Does this mean anything? Dunno.
As i have said in the other thread, i cannot see any reason why it would harm to release it for the PC as well.
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:01:00 -
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I think CCP is more of the mindset that we got it working for the console but the PC port isn't quite up to par yet so we won't make any announcments until we know for sure.
They have dodged all questions about it bieng released for the PC so I would say they don't even know yet.
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Cassendra
Caldari Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cornaris Linkage
Atmospheric flight, battles happening on the ground.. This was 3 years ago, they've been working on dust for 3 years..
I can see 'The Vision(Ö)' at work.
Nae that was more like 5-6 years ago. Dusk must have started a bit later.
Tbh this might be the best solution. A shooter is a lot better for ground-based combat than an RP system. Show some trust. Everyone thought Eve was dead already in 03 and look at where it is now! --------x--------- Cassendra Assassin. Merc. Pirate. Jovian Labs
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Harisdrop
Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.08.25 01:05:00 -
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Soo I think there are lots of types of planets. City planets and Ice planets and soo forth. wonder with my vehicles are useful for and janitors and salves would fight for me. Now I know what those exotic dancers are for.
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.25 01:29:00 -
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"There is hope for a Dust 514 on the PC's"
Yeah, with an Emulator!
Boo-ya!
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin "There is hope for a Dust 514 on the PC's"
Yeah, with an Emulator!
Boo-ya!
Not even that, seems there are some xbox and playstation emulators, not sure if they work well, but there are no xbox360 or PS3 emulators ( or I can't find them ;p ).
Currently playing : The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-Era / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online Pre-DUST514 |
I'mSoFatNeedDrones
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:57:00 -
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I'd imagine that Dust 514 will eventually be implemented in to EVE online. likely after the addition of WIS. i cant see it being too likely that CCP would want to split game play too much. It is unrealistic to think that EVE would ever work on consoles and i would imagine (and hope) that dust 514 on console is simply only 1 half of a future eve update.
I have a 360, and would love to play Dust, but at the end of the day FPS always work better on the PC (with the possible exception on of a few i won't bother mentioning so this doesnt turn in to a slag off between fan boys ^^). I doubt i'd be willing to play additional subs and have to split what little free time i have between two games, it's been about 5months since i played eve as it was. im running low on ISK paying for subs :)
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.25 09:02:00 -
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dust should be for pc you can get better aim with pc and add expansions/updates to pc games alot better and easier ----------------------------------------------- i met Eliminator1..... i ate it and spat it out now hes my minion :)
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Xen Gin "There is hope for a Dust 514 on the PC's"
Yeah, with an Emulator!
Boo-ya!
Not even that, seems there are some xbox and playstation emulators, not sure if they work well, but there are no xbox360 or PS3 emulators ( or I can't find them ;p ).
There is still hope, even if it is 2015.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:56:00 -
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how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
Because it has happened before, and is becoming increasingly common. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind).
a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms. to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet.
typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons:
a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier. - this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont.
b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port.
from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad.
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind).
a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms. to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet.
typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons:
a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier. - this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont.
b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port.
from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad.
im sure i could name you as much games which have been successfully converted from console to PC, as you could name games which have been successfully converted from PC to console.
For example: Bioshock
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Kaizer Douken
Gallente The Black Legionnares
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:42:00 -
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I hope it doesn't come to PC :D More interesting that way
Originally by: Imran Tam if your sausage looked anything like that, you should have checked the expiration date.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind).
a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms. to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet.
typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons:
a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier. - this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont.
b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port.
from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad.
im sure i could name you as much games which have been successfully converted from console to PC, as you could name games which have been successfully converted from PC to console.
For example: Bioshock
the bioshock example dont really work for you there. it was designed from 2k to be a multi-platform game from the get-go. and even through the huge efforts the company put into making it a fun experience on all platforms, each had very specific issues (on the pc mostly sound issues, graphical hickups and 'Accelerated Mouse-control issues'/inprecise aiming).
however, many of theese problems are also due to the engine the used (ue3), an engine advertised from its developer to be very good for multiplattform game development. this engine was still being developed by epic games while 2k allready used it for bioshock development and even tho they put tremendous efforts into straitening it, they could not solve all issues in time (mouse-accelleration, perfomance issues...)
again, it was propably not a wise idea to develop simultaniously for multiple plattforms,- even tho the result was better than had they first developed it specifically for consoles and then just ported to the pc.
also, when you use the term "successfully", it is important to differantiate between market-wise successfull (they sold alot of copies), and gameexperience-wise successfull (the game offered the best possible game experience).
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Agonizer42 on 25/08/2009 17:29:36
Originally by: Heroldyn
also, when you use the term "successfully", it is important to differantiate between market-wise successfull (they sold alot of copies), and gameexperience-wise successfull (the game offered the best possible game experience).
well in the end the only thing that matters for me is that they develop it for BOTH the PC and Consoles so that i can have my two eve accounts open on my two PC monitors, and have my dust soldier online on my ps3 in my bedroom as well, so that can play three game instances at once.
And the others who dont have a console are then happy too. How about that?
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Lady Vorax
Amarr Infusion.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:22:00 -
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fps play best on PC. end of story.
Getting pretty much forced to buy a console to play dust (you have a disadvantagewhen playing the sov game) Suck fockign balls.
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Nachshon
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:42:00 -
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Here's a thought as to how it might work:
Dust will be tied to factional warfare (at first). All planets in a warzone (excluding gas giants, which cannot be fought over) will be either held (controlled completely by one side) or disputed (fought over by both sides).
The first stage in capturing a planet is to land troops there. Thanks to the use of cloned soldiers, all that is needed is a "pilot base". Once a pilot base is established, soldiers can move in and start fighting. Later transports can provide additional weapons.
There are two ways militia pilots will be able to affect planetary battles at first. One is by setting up blockades at stargates. If done well, this can make establishing a pilot base impossible. They can also prevent resupply, forcing troops on planets to use captured weapons or possibly manufacture new ones. Conversely, they can aid the transports - escorting them or even doing it themselves. Later, a system will be developed so militia pilots can directly impact battles (planetary bombardment, or even flying in with frigates to provide fire support).
A large portion of the player base for this game will come not from EVE players, but from console FPS fans. ThereÆs every possibility that entire clans would immigrate to Dust. The best clans will learn to establish contact with the militias and work with them, so they can keep their most important areas safe. While I know a lot of EVE players will want to also play Dust, I canÆt see the
There will have to be some way for planetary battles to impact the outcome of the larger war. If a system at large is controlled by (for example) the Caldari militia, but the Gallente armies control the planets, what effect does this have? One way would be to build sensor outposts on the planets that are many times more powerful than anything a ship can mount. It would be easy to pinpoint combat sites or enemy ships if you control the planets. In the above scenario, a Gallente blob working with the Gallente-controlled planets could easily capture the entire system, with no time wasted scanning for combat sites. Later, we could also have planetary bases. Planets themselves might be worth victory points.
____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
The True Meaning of Freedom
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:07:00 -
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All i can say is:
I want to play the full game and experience every bit of it. With Dust out, this will no longer be possible if you dont buy a console, and i really have no use for consoles.
Its nice that they try it, but in the end they do with Dust what we all hoped would happen with Ambulation. Now, i'm not sure Console Gamers will really get the feeling of beeing part of EVE either, so it could very well end in a desaster for both games.
Dust, just another shooter, will loose its followers after a few months, leaving EVE without good sovereignity control system? Talking about digging ones own grave...
I wish them the best...i really do.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Vorax fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument.
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Lady Vorax fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument.
No, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling eve is dying over and over really loud until everyone realizes theres no point in talking to you anymore does
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oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:58:00 -
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Community: Will there be a PC release? CCP: No comment Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B. x |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:56:00 -
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What about Dust on the PC? Two different correspondents at the gamescom have questioned Petursson about the platforms its being developed for. The first, from gamespot.com received the following answer:
We questioned P. about the platforms the game is being developed for, as well as subscr. details, but he declined to comment at this time. But it was confirmed that the game was being developed for "current generation hardware." Linkage
The second report, from 4players.de: 4players.de talked to P. after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. P. smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version. Linkage
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:00:00 -
[827]
New Video-Interview with Petursson on golem.de Linkage
Compiled Fan-Video of all the old and new ingame footage youtube.com
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aka Ishur
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:08:00 -
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um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:14:00 -
[829]
Originally by: aka Ishur um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111
could be. i guess we will know more at the fanfest
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:39:00 -
[830]
Originally by: oniplE Community: Will there be a PC release? CCP: No comment Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles
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Taedrin
Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: oniplE Community: Will there be a PC release? CCP: No comment Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:02:00 -
[832]
Originally by: Taedrin
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable.
what we will definately not see is a pc version right from the start. but hopefully soon(tm) after.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.26 08:47:00 -
[833]
What are the ships shown on the tactical map in this pic?
I can spot a Thorax on the right, but is it a Ferox and a Legion on the left?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:31:00 -
[834]
Originally by: T'san Manaan
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Lady Vorax fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument.
No, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling eve is dying over and over really loud until everyone realizes theres no point in talking to you anymore does
Got damn i've got to stop drinking when reading this place, I keep choking/spitting.
What the hell is with the quote too, it's stacking everywhere.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: aka Ishur um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111
could be. i guess we will know more at the fanfest
Looks more like a ship to ship fight to me, like the one in the new video. Missiles come in from overhead.
Anyone expecting orbital bombardment needs to manage their expectations somewhat :p
a) it will be almost impossible to implement b) it would be game breaking for the DUST players
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CyberGh0st II
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.26 22:21:00 -
[836]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: oniplE Community: Will there be a PC release? CCP: No comment Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable.
Or perhaps they are just checking to see how much flames they got for not releasing a PC version and how many actually leave over it.
If the rage is tollerable and not too many leave over it, they just go on and don't release a PC version.
Just a theory :p
Currently playing The Saga of Ryzom Favorite MMO's : DAoC SI-era / SWG pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online pre-Dust514 |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.27 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st II
Or perhaps they are just checking to see how much flames they got for not releasing a PC version and how many actually leave over it.
If the rage is tollerable and not too many leave over it, they just go on and don't release a PC version.
Just a theory :p
or they see all the rage that is going on about it, and decide they release both versions at the same time
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:02:00 -
[838]
New Video-Interview with Petursson on golem.de The Video-Interview itself is in english, the text version on that site is in german though. Most important points: Maybe playable version on fanfest; Not all planets in eve will be battleground; In the winter-expansion we will see which planets will be battlegrounds; P. does again NOT comment on a PC version, he says, the focus atm is for Console Linkage
My compiled Fan-Video of all old and new ingame footage I made it earlier tonight :X youtube.com
Moar Screenshots See Page 27 of this thread
What about Dust on the PC? There is still hope. See Page 28 for the information i was able to gather about this.
Nice Dust-blog, from Brendan Drain of massively.com: Its about facts and speculation; see www.massively.com
Full 8-minutes Dust Video from the gamecom Thanks to T'san Manaan www.dust514.org
Fitting-Screen of a planetary vehicle Thanks to Dillon Arklight, Co-host of PODDED Podcast Picture to be found here: a.imagehost.org
www.dust.514.org For more infos/news about dust look at www.dust514.org This will also be the place where news from the Fanfest will probably pop up first
Onlinewelten.de has snagged some info from Petursson The important points: Walking in Stations is to be expected next year; An upgrade to the planets is to be expected next year; COSMOS will play a great role for the community of both platforms; One playmode in dust will be "domination". Its about capturing/holding strategic points, and comes with the ability to install buildings. Linkage
Video Interview gamona.de: Roughly put-together text version on page 24, 25 of this thread Linkage
Interesting editorial from mmorp.com managing editor jon wood On how dust combined with EVE Online has the potential to change the virtual world space, but he reflects also on the bulk of the opposition to Dust's announcement Linkage
Looking at Screenshots: I thought it might be interesting to analyze some of the screenshots. All Links go to my photobucket album. Especially to counter the emoraging thats going on. The screenshots, as i interpret them, prove that theres no reason to call the end upon eve, because of dust. Because of tight space, look up the screenshots on page 22 of this thread. Or look them up here: www.dust514.org and leave a comment or two xD
News-Update 21.08.09: heise.de talks to Petursson see page 25 in this thread for the full translation and Link. Probably an abo based on-line shooter in a MMO world; Constantly evolved and updated with new content; Players gain experience, more power, access to better equipment; Direct communicatiation between Eve and Dust players
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Double-L
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:31:00 -
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id say lets boycott dust if they dont bring it out for pc. if they miss the potential 100k eve-online subscribers then they might see the error of their ways or suffer. their choice
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 12:51:00 -
[840]
ok i have put up a final summary for dust in the original post, enjoy
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:00:00 -
[841]
GREAT Post!
I'm excited about it. That's all there is to it. I'll definitely buy a console for this. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:44:00 -
[842]
thanks Tamahra for compiling all the info on this matter, made surfing for tidbits so much easier :)
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:55:00 -
[843]
Whats also noteable from the latest interview, is that fighting can occur only on those planets which have proper conditions.
Gas-Planets e.g. cant be subjects to battlegrounds.
There it might be the possibility, that certain solar systems can only be taken by fleets, where there are no suitable ground combat planets, and in other systems there would be more focused on ground battles.
sounds interesting.,
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:16:00 -
[844]
ok i had to add this to the original post:
Most Planets (gas giants, lava planets, barren planets) are not suited for human presence, those WONT be battlegrounds, says Petursson.
So maybe we will see systems where SOV is ONLY decided by fleets (lack of dust planets), where other systems are a mixture between fleets + dust.
It could be possible for some systems that you can have the souvereignity of a planet solely by fleet superiority, and still interact with that planet in a beneficial way.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:17:00 -
[845]
Tamahra, you are awesome. That is all.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:18:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Ritter Roland Whats also noteable from the latest interview, is that fighting can occur only on those planets which have proper conditions.
Gas-Planets e.g. cant be subjects to battlegrounds.
Not disputing what was said, just the reasoning behind it. Some of our ships are a mile long, and can turn on a dime and travel faster than light on some magical "energy" in our capacitors, and they've not figured out how to make floating cities for gas giants with artificial gravity?
Lol, ok
Besides, a POS/station/enclosed envronments are good for FPS, as they don't have artificial barriers. But ... whatever :)
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:21:00 -
[847]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ritter Roland Whats also noteable from the latest interview, is that fighting can occur only on those planets which have proper conditions.
Gas-Planets e.g. cant be subjects to battlegrounds.
Not disputing what was said, just the reasoning behind it. Some of our ships are a mile long, and can turn on a dime and travel faster than light on some magical "energy" in our capacitors, and they've not figured out how to make floating cities for gas giants with artificial gravity?
Lol, ok
Besides, a POS/station/enclosed envronments are good for FPS, as they don't have artificial barriers. But ... whatever :)
well ok but this howeever, leads to the only possible conclusion: its that EVERY planet in 0.0 can be claimed for souvereignity. BUT, not every planet can be claimed by Troop soldiers.
This now sounds alot more interesting than dust sounded at the day when they announced it.
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:22:00 -
[848]
Everyone should really read the first page again. I am even more excited if this is all 100% true. More ways to earn iskies as well. woot!!1
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 27/08/2009 15:30:37
Originally by: LordSwift Everyone should really read the first page again. I am even more excited if this is all 100% true. More ways to earn iskies as well. woot!!1
I hope you DO realize and grasp the TRUE potential that lies within dust now:
Souvereignity-Battles will be multi-staged, and every single of them will be completely different than the other.
First off: There will be planets with less sectors than others.
Secondly: There will be planets where ground troups cannot be deployed.
Thirdly: Some systems have more planets than the others.
Fourth: The fightings over ONE single planet within a system can already be epic; not to speak about the whole system.
AND THEN, maybe THEN one alliance can even THINK of conquering a whole constellation, not talking about regions even........
I foresee HUUUGEEE conflicts that last for MONTHS, with a huge lot of separate Fleet fightings
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:50:00 -
[850]
Originally by: Tamahra Edited by: Tamahra on 27/08/2009 15:30:37
Originally by: LordSwift Everyone should really read the first page again. I am even more excited if this is all 100% true. More ways to earn iskies as well. woot!!1
I hope you DO realize and grasp the TRUE potential that lies within dust now:
Souvereignity-Battles will be multi-staged, and every single of them will be completely different than the other.
First off: There will be planets with less sectors than others.
Secondly: There will be planets where ground troups cannot be deployed.
Thirdly: Some systems have more planets than the others.
Fourth: The fightings over ONE single planet within a system can already be epic; not to speak about the whole system.
AND THEN, maybe THEN one alliance can even THINK of conquering a whole constellation, not talking about regions even........
I foresee HUUUGEEE conflicts that last for MONTHS, with a huge lot of separate Fleet fightings
But but i dont have the time to split myself between my xbox and pc. Going to need two screens actually three (Main, Alt, Xbox dust) going to need a bigger desk.
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: DarthCaboose
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Adam came first. So Dust should be called "Cain".
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift if this is all 100% true.
well it IS actually true. All of it, that is marked with "fact". OR they lied to us :=p
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:06:00 -
[852]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: LordSwift if this is all 100% true.
well it IS actually true. All of it, that is marked with "fact". OR they lied to us :=p
Not saying its not true. Calm down. I need a good sig. where can i get one
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:37:00 -
[853]
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: LordSwift if this is all 100% true.
well it IS actually true. All of it, that is marked with "fact". OR they lied to us :=p
Not saying its not true. Calm down. I need a good sig. where can i get one
But what if i cant calm down because of all the winsauce ahead of us? what then? hmm? HMMM??? HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM????
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:46:00 -
[854]
Then please by all means keep bouncing of the walls. I am just looking forward to stretching my legs in WIS (Sorry Incarna). Might have to get a minmatar prostitute to work out my bad back
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.27 17:54:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Joe Skellington So the future of EVE rests on kiddies with ADHD playing the console game?
And EVE becomes more realistic in one fell move. Eeeeeeevil.
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Vyre V'Umbra
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:32:00 -
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Who or where did "WiS is now Incarna" come from? I'm not finding any information as to where that came from.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:45:00 -
[857]
Originally by: Vyre V'Umbra Who or where did "WiS is now Incarna" come from? I'm not finding any information as to where that came from.
here Linkage
the video interview is in english, the text version in german
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:54:00 -
[858]
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 19:55:13 This is simply a work of art of a thread! Excellent work! All the anti-CONSOLE DUST cry babies need to focus on the concept of just how important the EVE Corp. structure will be to DUST engagements. Think about being in conference, probably via WIS, with DUST Commanders in coordinating strategic assaults/defense planet side (of the DIRECT significance you will have in that regard).
When you whiners finally get past your emo/shock, you may finally see the wonderful potential being dropped at your feet (you control the purse strings and it is you who hire the MERCs/PMCs)! PC events are, thus, still placed above console ones-lol So, rejoice, and chill.
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 20:00:30
Originally by: LordSwift Then please by all means keep bouncing of the walls. I am just looking forward to stretching my legs in WIS (Sorry Incarna). Might have to get a minmatar prostitute to work out my bad back
* Minmatar, O.G. style*
Hey,'Cous', my beautiful Minmatar Honeys ain't no 'Ho's, Mang! My sistas are beauuutiful, Swarthy Queens; and don't be tryin' that smack at my bar, nah mean?-lol
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:12:00 -
[860]
Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 19:55:13 This is simply a work of art of a thread! Excellent work! All the anti-CONSOLE DUST cry babies need to focus on the concept of just how important the EVE Corp. structure will be to DUST engagements. Think about being in conference, probably via WIS, with DUST Commanders in coordinating strategic assaults/defense planet side (of the DIRECT significance you will have in that regard).
When you whiners finally get past your emo/shock, you may finally see the wonderful potential being dropped at your feet (you control the purse strings and it is you who hire the MERCs/PMCs)! PC events are, thus, still placed above console ones-lol So, rejoice, and chill.
Then try to imagine dedicated EVE-groups of player owning PC+console fighting against random groups of Joe Shooter who just wants to have 10min of fun. Now guess the outcome..... And once Joe Shooter realizes that he has to fight this organized groups in DUST, and he looses 9 out of 10 times, how often do you think he will come back? Yes...shooter kids and grown ups like to win.
Whats left then, after a few months, is just dedicated groups of EVE players who own both PC+console who loggin to capture the planet once they need it. And then you have your 2 class player community, the once enjoying the full game and the once who don't.
And if you think this wont happen, maybe you dont know as much about EVE as you think (metagaming is king here, so if there is an advantage to gain, it will be done).
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:19:00 -
[861]
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 20:21:08
Originally by: Clansworth Edited by: Clansworth on 19/08/2009 09:49:20
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shun Makoto New thought. With this game we can no longer refer to EVE as just a Space Game or a Space MMO, this is now a Universe unto itself full of Lore and a multitude of experiences.
àwhich has been a vision CCP has presented for quite some while now: EVE is not just Internet SpaceshipsÖ ù it's a SciFi sim.
Yes, and I always liked that, the vision that one day we, the EVE players, could walk in stations, have planetary interaction, and all that awesome stuff ...
Guess not.
How good of a 'simulation' would it be if the guys who fly the spaceships from goo filled pods, were ALSO the hardened ground troops? It makes sense to me, from an overall 'sci-fi sim' perspective, that they should be completely different characters, and in most instances, would cater to a completely different gaming audience.
I don't see how that would immersively depict how engagements tend to play themselves out. Why would pilots be asked/forced to abandon ships worth millions/several billions of ISK to fight planet side? It's like forcing/requesting USAF pilots to land and, then, engage the Iraqi military in ground engagements. In stations, maybe, since pilots dock there, but, really, how could you justify being able to have the required number of infantry forces coming from the ranks of EVE Pod Gods? Who'd be, simultaneously, fighting the Fleet battles?
Sorry, but that would be utter chaos, unorganized, tactically unsound and not very immersive, IMO.
EDIT: After rereading your reply, it appears that we may be agreeing? If so, my apologies.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:21:00 -
[862]
Thanks, for the summary on the first page.
I'm soo glad I decided to book a trip to Fanfest.
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:33:00 -
[863]
PC version FTW! (since CCP has the rights )
BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST!
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:38:00 -
[864]
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 20:40:08
Originally by: TalonClark
Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 19:55:13 This is simply a work of art of a thread! Excellent work! All the anti-CONSOLE DUST cry babies need to focus on the concept of just how important the EVE Corp. structure will be to DUST engagements. Think about being in conference, probably via WIS, with DUST Commanders in coordinating strategic assaults/defense planet side (of the DIRECT significance you will have in that regard).
When you whiners finally get past your emo/shock, you may finally see the wonderful potential being dropped at your feet (you control the purse strings and it is you who hire the MERCs/PMCs)! PC events are, thus, still placed above console ones-lol So, rejoice, and chill.
Then try to imagine dedicated EVE-groups of player owning PC+console fighting against random groups of Joe Shooter who just wants to have 10min of fun. Now guess the outcome..... And once Joe Shooter realizes that he has to fight this organized groups in DUST, and he looses 9 out of 10 times, how often do you think he will come back? Yes...shooter kids and grown ups like to win.
Whats left then, after a few months, is just dedicated groups of EVE players who own both PC+console who loggin to capture the planet once they need it. And then you have your 2 class player community, the once enjoying the full game and the once who don't.
And if you think this wont happen, maybe you dont know as much about EVE as you think (metagaming is king here, so if there is an advantage to gain, it will be done).
You are assuming that these EVE players are mostly skilled FPS; you also assume that it will be CHILD FPS lovers who'll be the ones most representative of those interested in DUST, that DUST will not attract a console equivalent to EVEs popularity, that adult console players (I am 46, do not like being pwned by my 10 year old children/nephew, love FPS and EVE, among other things) will not be the ones most interested, and that the game will fade into oblivion several months later. SOCOM (though TPS), Killzone 2, COD4 and Halo are all still popular, and none of these offers the added perk of MMO, persistent world content complete w/ interaction into a complete universe of gaming.
What will be left, at the least, will be DUSTIES (like me) logging in.
What I do know about is the console gaming community, the one at which CCP is aiming.
I doubt very seriously if the average, spoiled by CCP and very ungrateful EVE whiner would play DUST for as long as some people believe. It is not as easy to play FPS, if you lack the experience, as your reply seems to imply. The pwnage will be to Pod Jockies thinking otherwise. You can't simply align/warp out when the going gets rough up close an' personal. You think you've seen emo; you haven't seen the emo that would arrise as a result of the disastrous engagements awaiting those foolish enough to enter ground PVP like just another FLEET WAR DEC.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:38:00 -
[865]
So, orbital bombardment is out and eve players won't get to bomb dusties?
Yeah, Dust is taking away future potential for eve. I'm out _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:45:00 -
[866]
Edited by: ShangoLianja Balogun on 27/08/2009 20:45:43
Originally by: Blane Xero So, orbital bombardment is out and eve players won't get to bomb dusties?
Yeah, Dust is taking away future potential for eve. I'm out
Dig it, 'cause we all know that CCP is secretly planning to have the DUST infantry Boghart their way into flying ships, making all Pod Pilots obsolete! EVE will be run by 10 year old, snotty nosed XBOX junkies. Long live Sponge Bob (and Hannah Montana)!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:14:00 -
[867]
What has me curious now that all this info is being compiled is what will happen to existing sov once the new sov changes hit? Global reset maybe?
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:17:00 -
[868]
Originally by: Ritter Roland Whats also noteable from the latest interview, is that fighting can occur only on those planets which have proper conditions.
Gas-Planets e.g. cant be subjects to battlegrounds.
There it might be the possibility, that certain solar systems can only be taken by fleets, where there are no suitable ground combat planets, and in other systems there would be more focused on ground battles.
sounds interesting.,
Yupper...
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ShangoLianja Balogun
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:22:00 -
[869]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ritter Roland Whats also noteable from the latest interview, is that fighting can occur only on those planets which have proper conditions.
Gas-Planets e.g. cant be subjects to battlegrounds.
Not disputing what was said, just the reasoning behind it. Some of our ships are a mile long, and can turn on a dime and travel faster than light on some magical "energy" in our capacitors, and they've not figured out how to make floating cities for gas giants with artificial gravity?
Lol, ok
Besides, a POS/station/enclosed envronments are good for FPS, as they don't have artificial barriers. But ... whatever :)
It may be simply that it is easier to do WIS and DUST separately before ultimately integrating them. Either is a massive project in alone. We don't want to kill the Devs.-they are people too-lol
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:16:00 -
[870]
Originally by: ShangoLianja Balogun
It may be simply that it is easier to do WIS and DUST separately before ultimately integrating them. Either is a massive project in alone. We don't want to kill the Devs.-they are people too-lol
But now they have to accomplish another massive project, due to all the uproar that is going on: The Dust515 PC Version
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LordSwift
Caldari Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.28 08:26:00 -
[871]
also another reason to not be to worried about it being on consoles
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ea-expect-playstation-3-5-before-ps4
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.08.28 12:29:00 -
[872]
Originally by: LordSwift But but i dont have the time to split myself between my xbox and pc. Going to need two screens actually three (Main, Alt, Xbox dust) going to need a bigger desk.
Door + 2x4 + ten min with a hammer. One big desk :D
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:28:00 -
[873]
Edited by: Haradgrim on 28/08/2009 15:29:04 I forsee an increase in afk minig on release on DUST...
Frag..Frag...Frag...die....move ore to Jetcan...respawn...Frag..Frag..Frag...die..Move ore into indy alt's hold...respawn...frag....etc..etc! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:11:00 -
[874]
Originally by: Elextra
Originally by: Iorya Dragon i think CCP went crazy, or smoking to much ****, EVE Online it a unique sandbox game, and they want to break with a hybrid console game in it? WTF is going? What about us that we are playing for years?
Bleah..
Same as every other time CCP has "broken the game" quit (can I has ur stuff?) or adapt and realise they've actually thought it through quite well and it wasn't nearly as bad as expected.
Its also never been as good as expected.
heck IvE is one of thoes games that people play in spite of the developers.
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Fedesti Capro
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Posted - 2009.08.30 10:13:00 -
[875]
i cant wait for all these things to kick in.
- walking in stations next year - planetary upgrades next year - ground combat sometimes in the foreseeable future - hopefully atmospheric flight too
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Stevens
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 10:20:00 -
[876]
This is still without a doubt the absolute worst change to 0.0 sov ever.
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Ctica
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Posted - 2009.08.30 11:48:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Ctica on 30/08/2009 11:49:09
Originally by: Stevens This is still without a doubt the absolute worst change to 0.0 sov ever.
It hasn't actually happened yet, you have no idea of the details. And chances are you've never actually been involved in SOV warfare otherwise you would realise how bad it actually is.
SOV warefare presently:- sitting for X amount of HOURS shooting a static non- interactive object, maybe one in five times an enemy fleet shows up to defend its POS.
DUST sov warfare:- organising a bunch of Gatorade fuelled psychos, to land on a planet with all the halarity/frustration that entails while fighting through blockades/gatecamps or whatever.
I know which one I'd pick. If you don't like it you can **** right off, we don't like you anyway.
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Exitar Stormscion
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Posted - 2009.08.30 15:04:00 -
[878]
Deep Core Mining Inc. he likes shooting stationary objects ^_^
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Stevens
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:18:00 -
[879]
Edited by: Stevens on 30/08/2009 18:19:14
Originally by: Ctica Edited by: Ctica on 30/08/2009 11:49:09
Originally by: Stevens This is still without a doubt the absolute worst change to 0.0 sov ever.
It hasn't actually happened yet, you have no idea of the details. And chances are you've never actually been involved in SOV warfare otherwise you would realise how bad it actually is.
SOV warefare presently:- sitting for X amount of HOURS shooting a static non- interactive object, maybe one in five times an enemy fleet shows up to defend its POS.
DUST sov warfare:- organising a bunch of Gatorade fuelled psychos, to land on a planet with all the halarity/frustration that entails while fighting through blockades/gatecamps or whatever.
I know which one I'd pick. If you don't like it you can **** right off, we don't like you anyway.
So you choose the one where the 0.0 entity in the game has the least control over it? This is removing power from the people who control the space and placing it in a completely different game with with people who have no allegiance to the people who own the space already. That is the inherent problem. Removing control from Eve and placing it in a another game is a terrible idea which can only be disastrous for the game.
Also grats on the personal attack with no basis. I went and checked your employment history and unless this is an alt you have no grounds to talk about 0.0 warfare. I on the other hand have been involved in 0.0 warfare longer than most people.
Originally by: Exitar Stormscion Deep Core Mining Inc. he likes shooting stationary objects ^_^
How about you check my corp history?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.30 18:26:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Stevens Edited by: Stevens on 30/08/2009 18:19:14
Originally by: Ctica Edited by: Ctica on 30/08/2009 11:49:09
Originally by: Stevens This is still without a doubt the absolute worst change to 0.0 sov ever.
It hasn't actually happened yet, you have no idea of the details. And chances are you've never actually been involved in SOV warfare otherwise you would realise how bad it actually is.
SOV warefare presently:- sitting for X amount of HOURS shooting a static non- interactive object, maybe one in five times an enemy fleet shows up to defend its POS.
DUST sov warfare:- organising a bunch of Gatorade fuelled psychos, to land on a planet with all the halarity/frustration that entails while fighting through blockades/gatecamps or whatever.
I know which one I'd pick. If you don't like it you can **** right off, we don't like you anyway.
So you choose the one where the 0.0 entity in the game has the least control over it? This is removing power from the people who control the space and placing it in a completely different game with with people who have no allegiance to the people who own the space already. That is the inherent problem. Removing control from Eve and placing it in a another game is a terrible idea which can only be disastrous for the game.
Also grats on the personal attack with no basis. I went and checked your employment history and unless this is an alt you have no grounds to talk about 0.0 warfare. I on the other hand have been involved in 0.0 warfare longer than most people.
Originally by: Exitar Stormscion Deep Core Mining Inc. he likes shooting stationary objects ^_^
How about you check my corp history?
I too have been involved in 0.0 warfare for a long time and I think Dust is a great idea - or it could be, depending on the implimentation details.
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2009.08.30 19:14:00 -
[881]
Ok CCP have working on dust514 in 3 years but what happend
to wis ?
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact
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Posted - 2009.08.30 19:31:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Pnandor Ok CCP have working on dust514 in 3 years but what happend
to wis ?
Goddamn people are stupid.
Look, the same team that works on lag is not the same team that works on WiS, is not the same team that works on Dust, is not the same team that works on balancing gameplay mechanics, is not the same team AD INFINIUM.
WiS is being worked on, don't get your panties in a wad. Drill this into your thick skull before posting again complaining about something not being done. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
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Pnandor
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Posted - 2009.08.30 19:53:00 -
[883]
Originally by: Spaztick
Originally by: Pnandor Ok CCP have working on dust514 in 3 years but what happend
to wis ?
Goddamn people are stupid.
Look, the same team that works on lag is not the same team that works on WiS, is not the same team that works on Dust, is not the same team that works on balancing gameplay mechanics, is not the same team AD INFINIUM.
WiS is being worked on, don't get your panties in a wad. Drill this into your thick skull before posting again complaining about something not being done.
Well in my point of view I don't think it's so smart to call
people stupid
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:26:00 -
[884]
Edited by: Tamahra on 31/08/2009 09:26:17
moar news popped up in the internetz
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Cyrrus Ex
Gallente Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:27:00 -
[885]
All I can say is i dont want Halotards and COD4tards and consoletards effecting my experience in a PC game. end of.
Fact: I will not play Dust.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:47:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Cyrrus Ex All I can say is i dont want Halotards and COD4tards and consoletards effecting my experience in a PC game. end of.
Fact: I will not play Dust.
btw, from two different sources who were at the gamescom theres the statement that dust will also feed into factional warfare.
I will definately play dust.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:52:00 -
[887]
Edited by: Abrazzar on 31/08/2009 09:53:26
Originally by: Tamahra bild.de The biggest Newspaper in Germany, "Bild", from the Axel Springer Verlag, Germanys biggest Publishing House, claims to know that Dust 514 is scheduled to release 2010, and also claims to know there will be a single player campaign Linkage
Sorry, but "Bild" is one of the least reliable sources of News in Germany. They like to exaggerate and make things up if it's not sensational enough. Without at least two more independent sources of what "Bild" wrote to verify it, I would not belief a thing they write. "Bild" is only good for comedy value really, if you can forget that people actually take the crap seriously. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:57:00 -
[888]
Edited by: Tamahra on 31/08/2009 09:59:34
Originally by: Abrazzar Edited by: Abrazzar on 31/08/2009 09:53:26
Originally by: Tamahra bild.de The biggest Newspaper in Germany, "Bild", from the Axel Springer Verlag, Germanys biggest Publishing House, claims to know that Dust 514 is scheduled to release 2010, and also claims to know there will be a single player campaign Linkage
Sorry, but "Bild" is one of the least reliable sources of News in Germany. They like to exaggerate and make things up if it's not sensational enough. Without at least two more independent sources of what "Bild" wrote to verify it, I would not belief a thing they write. "Bild" is only good for comedy value really, if you can forget that people actually take the crap seriously.
do you remember that one article about the one planecrash, where all passengers and the crew died, and only bild spoke with the survivers :=D
Didnt actually happen though, but its a running gag in germany. So yes, take everything from bild with a grain of salt. But still they claim to know these two things :p
oh and /edit: its one of their gamescom articles, so yes, they were at the gamescom as well
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Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.08.31 11:08:00 -
[889]
what i wonder is how the souvereignity of those planets that are not assigned to be battlegrounds will be played out.
Since the SOV mechanics are moving from POS¦es to Planets, there needs to be some device or something which keeps track of the battles that have been fought out for a given planet, and decides which side won the souvereignity for that planet.
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Prt Scr
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:04:00 -
[890]
is it my bad maths or are there 514 planets in 0.0 (non npc soverigny claimed) that are capiable of maintaining a plantary population?
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.09.01 06:07:00 -
[891]
Originally by: Prt Scr is it my bad maths or are there 514 planets in 0.0 (non npc soverigny claimed) that are capiable of maintaining a plantary population?
intriguing idea. other possible solutions are:
there are 514 null sec systems (i think this has been confirmed already)
5-14 is a biblical verse to do with dust and rising again
maybe its all of it.
but if there were 514 planets capable of maintaining human colonization, this would be quite a good number, since ccp has to make sure the dusties can join in on a fight almost 24/7.
thats why i think its gonna be a wise move to have dust feed into factional warfare as well.
although there has to be an incentive to pump isks and equipment into factional warfare dust troops. People wont just do it for the lulz of it. There has to be a benefit for pumping stuff into factional warfare, since it costs isks.
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qanatas
Minmatar Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.09.01 07:39:00 -
[892]
Edited by: qanatas on 01/09/2009 07:40:00
Originally by: Tamahra btw, from two different sources who were at the gamescom theres the statement that dust will also feed into factional warfare.
We'll have to wait how this will be handled exactly, but if the console people can turn over systems, that would thoroughly suck ...
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:21:00 -
[893]
We need more Dust threads.
Come to think of it, now that my attention span is limited to 2 minutes 58 seconds, we need a lot more.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:59:00 -
[894]
Haha Bild, you do realise tis is the most unreliable source possible?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.01 13:54:00 -
[895]
CCP has announced that Planetary upgrades will be in the 2009 winter expansion. --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie |
Xoria Krint
Bleakers.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 15:15:00 -
[896]
What will we do when Xbox 360 is outdated?
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.01 15:16:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Xoria Krint What will we do when Xbox 360 is outdated?
Genetically engineer a virus that will wipe out anyone over 22 stone.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.01 15:20:00 -
[898]
Originally by: Xoria Krint What will we do when Xbox 360 is outdated?
If dust on the 360 looks and plays good now why would it suddenly not look and play good later if another M$ game box hits the stores? Do games magically lose detail and playability when another system comes out?
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:18:00 -
[899]
bild is not a newspaper, it's a piece of ****.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.01 19:48:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Xoria Krint What will we do when Xbox 360 is outdated?
If dust on the 360 looks and plays good now why would it suddenly not look and play good later if another M$ game box hits the stores? Do games magically lose detail and playability when another system comes out?
No, but judging by the nature of console gamers, everyone stops playing it as soon as the new pretty FPS comes out.
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Comodore John
Gallente QunSegh
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Posted - 2009.09.01 20:45:00 -
[901]
so no orbital bombardment, what if we could sneak a stealth bomber into a battlefield, uncloak, and launch a bomb....
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.02 21:56:00 -
[902]
back to the PC version me thinks once the console version flops due to lack of eve player support and pc players unable to get into it that they will bring out a PC fps version to boost numbers, is the way i see it goin
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.09.02 23:56:00 -
[903]
If a PC version does come out (fingers crossed for it), then I suspect we could see a significant influx of ex-Planetside players. Planetside obviously had a market for a significant period of time, if Dust can provide the gameplay, background and environment people are looking for, there is definate room for success on the PC. Good odds tbh.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.09.03 04:28:00 -
[904]
If DUST 514 becomes more of a "HALO Online" MMO sort of thing, I will play it.
Heck I need an FPS anyway, people are making fun of me because I still play COD2.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.03 04:53:00 -
[905]
Originally by: HeliosGal back to the PC version me thinks once the console version flops due to lack of eve player support and pc players unable to get into it that they will bring out a PC fps version to boost numbers, is the way i see it goin
I don't there will be a lack of EVE player support. Furthermore, I suspect you will find that a disturbingly large percentage of EVE players have a "gasp" console lurking around the house somewhere. Granted, it may have supposedly been purchased for the kids or siblings, but it will undoubtedly be put to more important use. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Ritter Roland
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Posted - 2009.09.06 09:13:00 -
[906]
some news to add to the pile:
According to Noah, they are simplifying the way in which you claim space and attack people, and they are also letting alliances upgrade their space and invest in it.
Planet graphics are being revamped so each planet will be unique and truly beautiful
Linkage
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Zelot Blueice
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.08 00:17:00 -
[907]
what is to prevent little 8 year kids from thinking this is halo and ****ing up an entire alliance because some dumb kid screwd up the entire op....?
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Nai Ling
Amarr Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.09.08 03:41:00 -
[908]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: HeliosGal back to the PC version me thinks once the console version flops due to lack of eve player support and pc players unable to get into it that they will bring out a PC fps version to boost numbers, is the way i see it goin
I don't there will be a lack of EVE player support. Furthermore, I suspect you will find that a disturbingly large percentage of EVE players have a "gasp" console lurking around the house somewhere. Granted, it may have supposedly been purchased for the kids or siblings, but it will undoubtedly be put to more important use.
I'd be forced to kick my sister off my Xbox360. "NO MORE FIFA09 FOR YOU!"
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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.09.08 04:28:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer If DUST 514 becomes more of a "HALO Online" MMO sort of thing, I will play it.
Heck I need an FPS anyway, people are making fun of me because I still play COD2.
I don't blame you tbh, the Kar98k was an AWESOME gun
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LTkillme
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Posted - 2009.09.09 19:56:00 -
[910]
I want a PC version! I can;t stand Console FPS's >.<
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jacks savingsaccount
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Posted - 2009.09.09 20:55:00 -
[911]
Edited by: jacks savingsaccount on 09/09/2009 20:59:17
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer If DUST 514 becomes more of a "HALO Online" MMO sort of thing, I will play it.
Heck I need an FPS anyway, people are making fun of me because I still play COD2.
lol COD2 u need to buy a new fps man, anyway onto my questions about this so its mainly gonna b tied in with 0.0 and FW warfare so how's it gonna work for rest of us i mean i'll definitely get it on ps3 but am i gonna have to drag my char into fw to get any sort of benefit from it or will eve char and dust chars b seperate in that?
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LTkillme
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Posted - 2009.09.10 00:41:00 -
[912]
Edited by: LTkillme on 10/09/2009 00:41:37
Originally by: jacks savingsaccount Edited by: jacks savingsaccount on 09/09/2009 20:59:17
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer If DUST 514 becomes more of a "HALO Online" MMO sort of thing, I will play it.
Heck I need an FPS anyway, people are making fun of me because I still play COD2.
lol COD2 u need to buy a new fps man, anyway onto my questions about this so its mainly gonna b tied in with 0.0 and FW warfare so how's it gonna work for rest of us i mean i'll definitely get it on ps3 but am i gonna have to drag my char into fw to get any sort of benefit from it or will eve char and dust chars b seperate in that?
From what I understand they will be separate
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.09.10 02:07:00 -
[913]
Waiting patiently for more news about dust and the sov mechanic changes. If alliances could be their own entity then it will produce a lot stronger alliances, at the moment they're just a collection of corps with one of them using their own wallet divisions to pay the bills.
Anyway, on with the show if Dust is any good I may have to bite the bullet and buy a tv and xbox to play it. It'll be the only way I involve myself with 0.0 politics :D
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.09.10 03:18:00 -
[914]
Edited by: Cardiana on 10/09/2009 03:19:02
Originally by: Avernus If a PC version does come out (fingers crossed for it), then I suspect we could see a significant influx of ex-Planetside players. Planetside obviously had a market for a significant period of time, if Dust can provide the gameplay, background and environment people are looking for, there is definate room for success on the PC. Good odds tbh.
also major lol. eve in bild.
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.10 04:20:00 -
[915]
Originally by: LTkillme I want a PC version! I can;t stand Console FPS's >.<
And I want a PC version that has similar graphics req's as Eve (read:low). Take pity on the player who can't afford a decent gaming laptop .
And Gallente drones FTW!!
BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST!
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.09.10 11:33:00 -
[916]
Brilliant idea, it has great potential.. But console only? I really hate fps with gamepads, it sucks. Mouse and keyboard ftw every time...
Also a downer for those that want to play both games but don't already have a console, they're expected not only to pay two subscriptions but also to purchase two game systems? What happens when the next round of consoles appear? Are CCP going to release a new version of Dust514 and have everyone go out and buy it?
I was really hoping I could play both on my PC tbh, I had visions of being in space and having an alliance CTA go out that we need to defend or attack a planet, not to bash PoS but to switch games and go play fps for a bit. That would be very cool.
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.09.10 12:46:00 -
[917]
Originally by: Neamus
What happens when the next round of consoles appear? Are CCP going to release a new version of Dust514 and have everyone go out and buy it?
Many console games are already compatible to each next console generation, so nothing to worry about
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.09.21 09:08:00 -
[918]
gamereactor.eu upped another dust interview as of 18.09.09:
Linkage
some keynotes:
A mixture of procudural technology and designed content will be used to create unique battlefields for each dust514-planet
Will dust514 only happen in 0.0, or will we also fight over low sec or planets like amarr prime? were still internally deabting how far we will push dust 514
what about the criticisms from players about Dust? At the fanfest, when we release extended info about dust, players will feel confidable that dust will be the right thing for eve
The style of each race will be given relevance on the planets as well.
The core focus for dust is to make a good online shooter, but we might add things that you can do as a single player; for example things for training purposes and stuff like that
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:44:00 -
[919]
upped the new interview at gamereactor to the op.
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Midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 08:11:00 -
[920]
TBH, i hope CCP have contacted microsoft regarding "constant updates" microsoft have limitations on size of updates, and cost - UT3 for instance on the PC/PS3 have far surpassed what is available on the xbox because microsoft will not allow them to publish a patch over 250mb and UT3 Black was about a 1-2gb upgrade iirc COD4/5 have patches that are free on pc and PS3, they are all pay to download on the xbox... wether this is by choice or activision taking advantage i dont know but meh
ill definately buy it but im thinking a ps3 may be needed to get a more open platform for this specific game... rather have it for pc tbh though.... -----------------------------------------------
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Brur
Minmatar Blood Cult of the Nameless One
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:16:00 -
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must have orbital bombardment!!!!!
nuke it from orbit = win ------------- Techzer0 is my hero |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cardiana Edited by: Cardiana on 10/09/2009 03:19:02
Originally by: Avernus If a PC version does come out (fingers crossed for it), then I suspect we could see a significant influx of ex-Planetside players. Planetside obviously had a market for a significant period of time, if Dust can provide the gameplay, background and environment people are looking for, there is definate room for success on the PC. Good odds tbh.
also major lol. eve in bild.
Bild made claims of a single player campaign existing for Dust. I stated above that I believe there is a good market for a PC version of Dust, were it to be released on that platform. What are you reading that I didn't write?
puff . puff . pass .
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Voracious Blackstone
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:32:00 -
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Don't know if anyone has hypothesized this yet.
What if the fact that they are not releasing a DUST 514 PC port is that EVE itself is the DUST client? Think about it. EVE and DUST are going to be interacting with each other. What if you just make a DUST clone in character creation instead of a POD clone? |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.09.26 22:17:00 -
[924]
Originally by: Voracious Blackstone Don't know if anyone has hypothesized this yet.
What if the fact that they are not releasing a DUST 514 PC port is that EVE itself is the DUST client? Think about it. EVE and DUST are going to be interacting with each other. What if you just make a DUST clone in character creation instead of a POD clone?
Nah, that's just a bit too wild.
While obviously Encarna will be built directly into our clients, I can't see walking in stations as requiring the same level of optimization as a first person shooter. It would be interesting to find out what the similarities in the engines are though. Blog?
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Koracia
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Posted - 2009.09.26 22:29:00 -
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Could be the reason why WiS is taking so long. They may be making the engine to handle both at the same time. I know it seems far fetched, but then when i see cryptic doing pretty much the same thing with their engine for Star Trek it makes me wonder...
Just sorta public thinking out loud... :)
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Preator Phenix
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Posted - 2009.09.26 22:30:00 -
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Quote: Airvehicles in Dust can bombard ground troops (NO orbital bombardment though)
Makes me sadd, can't use my geddon do blast away at planets
reminds me of Orbital Bombardment
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 27/09/2009 00:23:43
Originally by: Koracia Could be the reason why WiS is taking so long. They may be making the engine to handle both at the same time. I know it seems far fetched, but then when i see cryptic doing pretty much the same thing with their engine for Star Trek it makes me wonder...
Just sorta public thinking out loud... :)
I think that was pretty much confirmed when they did a blog saying that they will develop core coding to have several uses. It makes sense and it means more for EVE players than they would otherwise get. In fact I doubt WIS would have been even thought of if only the EVE dev budget was available, especially with all the other expansions needed too. The problem though is that it means the timing of WIS is dependant on the code being developed for another game.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:50:00 -
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looks like dust will be covered in a big presentation tomorrow
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:54:00 -
[929]
Interview with Torfi on Dominion / Walking in Stations / Dust 514 & COSMOS
Also, this...
Its from a games show in the US, but I had not seen it before yesterday.
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:11:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Amitious Turkey
Originally by: LTkillme I want a PC version! I can;t stand Console FPS's >.<
And I want a PC version that has similar graphics req's as Eve (read:low). Take pity on the player who can't afford a decent gaming laptop .
And Gallente drones FTW!!
From the single trailer we've seen already, it looks like Dust 514 will be using the Unreal 3 graphics engine - sorry.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.02 22:13:00 -
[931]
nice video from the fanfest
Linkage
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LordSwift
Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN
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Posted - 2009.10.02 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra nice video from the fanfest
Linkage
Woohoo. man i wish i went this year. loved it last year
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macon grimejaw
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Posted - 2009.10.02 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: macon grimejaw on 02/10/2009 23:30:09
Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Ritter Roland
Originally by: dojocan81 in the first picture you can see a caldari mothership ... does that means ms' will be able to transport troops from planet to another planet ?
yes they have said so, that eve players can transport troops from planet to planet. although the player with the eve client flying the mothership cant play on the planet itself, since the dust 514 engine is a whole other department.
Can you then also dump em out of the airlock ? That would be amusing .
I love that ...tick of those pubescent teens who only care about their kill ratio...and not about the game...................
good god men! are we going to let some trash spewing 13 year olds..destroy dust 514 ???!
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.03 09:41:00 -
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Gathered Info about Dust:
Compiled Info about Dust: (Take everything with a grain of salt)
WiS will be released prior to dust
WiS has been renamed to Incarna
Incarna comes 2010
CCP is already "damn far" into Dust and its been for 3 years in development already
Eve commanders can issue strategic (not tactic) orders towards the ground troops
Eve Players can send isk and more down on the planet to support the ground troops
# of players in a battle can be 24 - 256
In the winter-expansion we might get to see which planets will be assigned battlegrounds
There might be a playable version on the fanfest
Petursson about a PC version: The focus is on the Consoles. He repeatedly refused to give answers on a PC version
CCP has secured the trademark dust514 for Xbox, Ps3 AND PC
Dusties have access to various weapons, combat vehicles, including air units
Some weapon-platforms will be modular (including weapons / vehicles)
One of the modes in dust is "Domination", its about capturing + holding strategic important points
Various Buildings can be installed in a combat-scenario, e.g. weaponturrets
Vehicles in Dust can be fitted like eve ships, with several low-, medium-, high-slots
Planets have several sectors which need to be conquered before someone can claim souvereignity on a planet
One single Battle is always about one sector of a planet
Dust will be a persistent world
Cosmos will play a huge role for the communication between both communities
Eve Players cannot watch a battle on the ground, dust players cannot watch whats going on in the space
The pure FPS Part plays only a small role in the big picture
Dust has RTS and Strategic Elements
Dusties get experience through battles, become stronger and get access to better equip
After Launch, Dust is being constantly updated with new content
Direct chatting between Eve and Dust players...NOT; but via Cosmos it will be possible
Conquer enough zones -> the planet will be yours
Conquer enough planets in a system -> SOV over that system
Eve players will have an interface which allows interaction with planets and their various zones
Airvehicles in Dust can bombard ground troops (NO orbital bombardement though)
Gallente Airvehicles can launch combat drones
Fleets and Dusties need to cooperate for success
Dusters will be prify to a form of the EVE cloningsystem
Dust is only ONE part feeding into SOV
Dust will have a commander system
Dust will feed 0.0 SOV AND faction warfare
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.05 06:39:00 -
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Update 05.09.2009: Eddie Gordo from dust514.org has collected quite some nice exciting new info:
Eddie Gordo¦s exlusive Interview from the Fanfest: Linkage
Exclusive High Quality Screenshots of Dust: Linkage
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Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix
From the single trailer we've seen already, it looks like Dust 514 will be using the Unreal 3 graphics engine - sorry.
yea, pretty much looks like it, as they have also confirmed on the fanfest that they are not using their own engine
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.05 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: wickedpheonix From the single trailer we've seen already, it looks like Dust 514 will be using the Unreal 3 graphics engine - sorry.
yea, pretty much looks like it, as they have also confirmed on the fanfest that they are not using their own engine
In fact, in the Dominion presentation, Torfi let slip that in trying to make things look consistent across both games, they've had to make sure that they can use the same planetary shaders in Trinity and in (drumroll) UnrealEngine…
…so yeah. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ritter Roland
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:09:00 -
[938]
Originally by: Tippia In fact, in the Dominion presentation, Torfi let slip that in trying to make things look consistent across both games, they've had to make sure that they can use the same planetary shaders in Trinity and in (drumroll) UnrealEngineà àso yeah.
this would mean that every single one of the many thousand planets and moons (with each one looking unique) will be present and visible both in dust514 and in eve online.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia yea, pretty much looks like it, as they have also confirmed on the fanfest that they are not using their own engine
In fact, in the Dominion presentation, Torfi let slip that in trying to make things look consistent across both games, they've had to make sure that they can use the same planetary shaders in Trinity and in (drumroll) UnrealEngineà
àso yeah.
Roughly how far through the presentation is that?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:24:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo Roughly how far through the presentation is that?
Can't remember, but it was only 30 minutes long, so it shouldn't take a lot of time to locate once it's up…
…at least I think it was the Dominion keynote, since that's where I remember the whole "everything is procedural now" technobabble from. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: HeliosGal back to the PC version me thinks once the console version flops due to lack of eve player support and pc players unable to get into it that they will bring out a PC fps version to boost numbers, is the way i see it goin
I don't there will be a lack of EVE player support. Furthermore, I suspect you will find that a disturbingly large percentage of EVE players have a "gasp" console lurking around the house somewhere. Granted, it may have supposedly been purchased for the kids or siblings, but it will undoubtedly be put to more important use.
There does seem to be an awful lot of snobbery in regards to console owners. I have an Xbox 360, and while I don't use it as much as I do my PC, there are certain games that are just better on a console (shock horror). Some people get consoles because they don't require the same level of technical expertise as PCs, and some due to financial constraints, but don't assume they are all morons.
Will those people who suffer from this snobbery be quite so dismissive when a group of console owners help them retain their system sovreignty?
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.05 12:39:00 -
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Mondepersistants.com report about playing Dust: (First seen on dust514.org, thanks to dachucky and zothinke for hinting at it) Linkage Translated Version: Linkage
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.05 13:23:00 -
[943]
Eurogamer.net¦s report on the dust demo: Linkage
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.05 13:38:00 -
[944]
Buffed.de was there too: (Seems the unreal3 engine is confirmed now) Linkage
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.05 14:01:00 -
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All Pre-Fanfest Info about Dust:
Interview at gamereactor.eu, some keynotes: Mixture of procudural technology and designed content will be used to create unique battlefields for each Dust-planet Will Dust only happen in 0.0, or will we also fight over low sec or high sec? Were still internally debating how far we will push it The style of each race will be given relevance on the planets The core focus for dust is to make a good online shooter, but we might add things that you can do as a single player Linkage
bild.de The Newspaper "Bild" from Germanys biggest Publishing House claims to know that Dust 514 is due 2010, and also claims to know there will be a single player campaign Linkage
Petursson says: Most Planets (e.g. gas giants) are not suited for human presence, those wont be Dust battlegrounds
All older media/press/images/articles about Dust see page 28 of the thread. Incl. video with ALL pre fanfest game footage youtube.com
Compiled Pre-Fanfest Info about Dust (90% should still be up to date though): See Page 32 of this thread
(its located a few replies above this reply)
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Ryl'avin Redwense
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 14:45:00 -
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It's all just so... Oh my goodness. Once these updates are released and developed... Just... Wow... The sheer potential of this game. A truly amazing universe is continuing to grow right here. I may sound like a fanboy, but honestly... Once the bright side of the planet revealed itself in the video, and all the way to the end, I just couldn't stop imagining the already so many possibilities with the upcoming expansions. I have this need to suddenly rave to the closest non-EVE player I can find. But I guess I shouldn't keep my hopes up TOO high.
One might say that the features may end up underwhelming, but look at what's happening to Incarna: from a simple socializing experience, CCP decided that it wasn't enough, that Incarna must have a life of its own, and most especially be a significant and worthwhile experience for every kind of player. Do things that aren't registered on any network? Can anyone imagine becoming a private investigator to hunt down these shady characters? What kind of new mission system / trade skill does CCP have up its sleeve?
And DUST, of course. Whether you play it or not, the fact that DUST exists implies that EVE players shall have new features given to them to incorporate this new entity, one way or another.
For all we know, CCP is planning to take planetary interaction even further and allow us to actually set foot on the planets. But then there would have to be a REALLY good reason for a capsuleer to set foot on soil. (Guess we have DUST mercenaries for that. Maybe they'll be able to occupy cities and live in them as part of the "single player" experience? Maybe there will actually be an RPG set in the EVE universe? That would be awesome.)
The beauty is that everything is connecting with each other, further fleshing out New Eden! Hell, even the chronicles and news articles give us glimpses of upcoming changes within the game itself. Did anyone notice that the first DUST teaser and the article on Ishukone winning the bid for Intaki may be directly connected?
CCP really loves its details.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:55:00 -
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Article from massively.com:
There will be dynamic battlefields where spawn points are chosen by the (commanders). (Would mean: no pre-made spawn points at all, except the homebase. Spawnpoints would have to be installed)
The game will utilize a microtransaction payment model that allows a la carte purchasing of blueprints for thousands of weapons, turrets, modules, and equipment for use in-game. (Would mean: No other micro-transactions except for blueprints = rather good news)
Planetary interaction. Details on this are light but this feature doesn't involve ownership of a planet. Rather, you may control and develop districts and interact with others who also hold planet territory. CCP states this will not be a clone of Civilization or SimCity, "but has that same good feel." Planetary interaction will have a low barrier of entry. (My Goodness. This sounds exciting)
Possibilities in planetary interaction: Do you care for your planet? Will you become a polluter to maximize profits? If so, this might bring you into conflict with your (player) neighbors as what you're doing with the planet's resources may impact others negatively. What do you choose to build up -- industry, academia, or infrastructure? (Also: Exciting stuff)
Linkage
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:04:00 -
[948]
Originally by: macon grimejaw
I love that ...tick of those pubescent teens who only care about their kill ratio...and not about the game...................
good god men! are we going to let some trash spewing 13 year olds..destroy dust 514 ???!
trash spewing 13 year olds + destroy dust 514 = does not compute. With all the strategic elements, a gang of kiddies could never even think of winning one single battle
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:25:00 -
[949]
Sounds like they're combining Section 8 with EVE.
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Solo Quest
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:32:00 -
[950]
Well I'm dissapointed now. The Unreal3 engine is instant fail.
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Sad Spectre
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Posted - 2009.10.06 16:54:00 -
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DUST DEMO gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.06 17:07:00 -
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Does anyone here play Project Reality?
It seems Dust is going to be incorporating a lot of similar features, like random objectives and buildable/defendable structures...
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Solo Quest Well I'm dissapointed now. The Unreal3 engine is instant fail.
Considering the problems they have with trying to create a semi custom engin for wis I cant realy blame them for going the "off the shelf because it works" rout.
Lets face it given the number of people they have mentioned before that are suposedly working on wis and they STILL have not shown us any more than a bare bonese prototype . . . .
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Vysnaite
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn Does anyone here play Project Reality?
It seems Dust is going to be incorporating a lot of similar features, like random objectives and buildable/defendable structures...
It's more like BF2142 Titan match (except you dont actually board it and take out the core). Instead of silos you get some missile installations, and you still have to capture some points on map and probably hold them or smth. It's nothing new, but hey - it should work.
Project reality is real deal and much harder to play sucesfully, while this is a console arcade shooter (from footage seen so far).
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Ritter Roland
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:24:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Vysnaite
It's more like BF2142 Titan match (except you dont actually board it and take out the core). Instead of silos you get some missile installations, and you still have to capture some points on map and probably hold them or smth. It's nothing new, but hey - it should work.
Project reality is real deal and much harder to play sucesfully, while this is a console arcade shooter (from footage seen so far).
lol you have some very good and solid points there. From what the guys at eurogamer wrote, theres ALOT in common with battlefield 2142, and the reviewer from eurogamer didnt like that.
but hey, bf2142 is a majorly successfull game, and although a particular game might be majorly successfull, theres always people who dont like it and cater to another type of games. cant have every single person in the world like a particular game.
if this would be the case, then we would have some millions of eve subscribers.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Solo Quest The Unreal3 engine is instant fail.
Yes, because it hasn't been the basis for a large number of highly successful games as well as quite a few upcoming MMOs… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:25:00 -
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the big advantage for eve here ( as long as dust 514 is available on PC) and if u notice at fanfest they had a side group playing live and that was a PC version. So obviously its already there then u will have the tie in with existing eve players able to use their PC and or xbox or ps3 to jump straight in and that will leverage and then it will flow onto the console version and maybe more players in eve tiself)
Unlike wow they can really tie in 2 games in one. ANd the cross impact probably is only doable with a space-ground interacting MMO and no elite 4 and no other alternatives SWG failed.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal if u notice at fanfest they had a side group playing live and that was a PC version.
Source? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Anhur Shu
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Anhur Shu on 07/10/2009 12:33:13
Originally by: Ratchman Will those people who suffer from this snobbery be quite so dismissive when a group of console owners help them retain their system sovreignty?
nope....DUSTers won't be able to see their corp chat --------------------------------------------------
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Vysnaite
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:33:00 -
[960]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeliosGal if u notice at fanfest they had a side group playing live and that was a PC version.
Source?
Yes, I'd like to see why do you think that as well.
From footage, the actual playing felt like it was a gamepad, not mouse+keyboard, because of the aiming of the guy playing(or he just sucks at fps).
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vysnaite From footage, the actual playing felt like it was a gamepad, not mouse+keyboard, because of the aiming of the guy playing(or he just sucks at fps).
Well, the guy(s) playing on stage at fanfest — and whose perspective is shown in the presentation — were using a 360 controller… take that for what it's worth. Hard to tell what the rest of the team back-stage were using because… well… they were back-stage. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:41:00 -
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youtube 1 hour 41 minute long fanfest presentation if u look closely youll see its running on PC
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paddytehpyro
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:15:00 -
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Sounds alot like the Empires mod for HL2/Source. Which just makes me even more excited :D
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal youtube 1 hour 41 minute long fanfest presentation if u look closely youll see its running on PC
How and where (as in: at what point during the presentation)? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:57:00 -
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A "pc" Version could just be a developer build for the presentation, however I must start getting excited about this cataclysmic event in the history of gaming.
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Vysnaite
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:25:00 -
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I watched the vid and only saw a gamepad. Can't tell if its pc or console in the presentation.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:13:00 -
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All older post-Fanfest articles about Dust:
Article from massively.com:
There will be dynamic battlefields where spawn points are chosen by the (commanders). (Would mean: no pre-made spawn points at all, except the homebase. Spawnpoints would have to be installed)
The game will utilize a microtransaction payment model that allows a la carte purchasing of blueprints for thousands of weapons, turrets, modules, and equipment for use in-game. (Would mean: No other micro-transactions except for blueprints = rather good news, since youd still have to gather the materials to make usable items out of it)
Planetary interaction. Details on this are light but this feature doesn't involve ownership of a planet. Rather, you may control and develop districts and interact with others who also hold planet territory. CCP states this will not be a clone of Civilization or SimCity, "but has that same good feel." Planetary interaction will have a low barrier of entry. (My Goodness. This sounds exciting)
Possibilities in planetary interaction: Do you care for your planet? Will you become a polluter to maximize profits? If so, this might bring you into conflict with your (player) neighbors as what you're doing with the planet's resources may impact others negatively. What do you choose to build up -- industry, academia, or infrastructure? (Also: Exciting stuff)
Linkage
Article on buffed.de: Seems the unreal3 engine is confirmed now. The central place for the dusties is their warship in space. Its a social platform, and also a staging platform for missions, and more. From there they disembark on their missions. Isk can flow only from Eve to Dust, and not the other way round Linkage
Article on Eurogamer: Dust will feature Factional warfare against NPC opponents. "It's there to ensure there's a battle to be had if you just want quick fun" The central Goal for all Missions is to destroy the enemy Mobile Command Center (MCC). Dusts gameplay has ALOT in common with Battlefield2142. Dynamic battlefields about 5 km across. There will be a command structure, with infantry and squadron leaders on each side led by a player-commander on board the MCC. The commander will effectively be playing a RTS-game with living units, and will have an RTS-style view of the battlefield. The Commander and his MCC will be the ultimate aim of a battle - after several, varying sub-objectives. Infantry players will clear the fog of war for the Commander. Commanders can install structures (launchers and guns as well as spawn points). The focus is on a deep modular system of fitting and customising weapons and vehicles. Linkage
Article on Mondepersistants.com: EVE's pilots will own the majority of planetary districts, via a system that will be introduced to EVE in the next major update after Dominion. But a couple of districts on each planet are reserved for DUST's mercenaries. Ultimately, hiring DUST 514 mercenaries won't be mandatory, but it will be attractive. "DUST mercs will just be more points. If the incentive is great enough they will use them; if you don't want to use them and your enemy does, you'll have to." (Link to the article: Page 32 of the thread)
in Dust, theres 2 ways you can get from one planet to another: Clone jump to defend. To attack enemy corp, your dust corp will own a "war barge" which can orbit around the planets. This is how you facilitate and instigate battles, the only way to attack is to have a war barge nearby.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:55:00 -
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Article from ZAM:
CCP: The planets in EVE and the planets in DUST are the exact same planets, it's the same universe. And the look of the planets in EVE and DUST are the exact same. So when you are in orbit over a planet in EVE or DUST, they're all procedurally generated and every planet has a unique ID in the database, and the look of the planet is seeded from its unique ID, and it will look the same across both, with the same climate and everything.
Q: So anything leading up to what's going on with the Jovians? CCP: No, not yet. We're going to have the planetary interaction stuff, we're going to have Incarna, we're going to have DUST, and Jovian are out there.
Q: On that topic, going over the planetary interactions, we heard that it was a little bit like gardening. What are some of the upkeep elements involved in having a district in these things? CCP: It's a planet, it's a living world down there and they're going to need inputs and outputs and various commodities. I would really like to see a way where they could interact with each other and you could have trade between districts, but also space elevators or mass drivers where you could get stuff off-world. Maybe one planet is like a water planet, and has entirely one type of commodity there that's valuable, but lacks a whole bunch of other commodities. So there you'll have trade opportunities and arbitrage opportunities for the players. So, I mean, I really want it to be heavily trade based, but I want it to be a dynamic system that the players will be able to influence. Rather than, like, we have this NPC trade system in game now where it's sort of static. Where, you know that if spiced wine is sold at this station, it will always be sold at this station and the range will be this much.
CCP: In Incarna, you'll be able to make money off of both selling stuff from the bar, and the mini-games, you can sc**** some stuff off like a casino. And then there are also NPCs that are roaming, they're mercurial - they're not agents! TheyÆre like the true underground of EVE. They're off the grid, and they don't register on any sort of computer network, and you can really only meet them in a bar face to face, because they won't talk to you over a communications network. If you do them favours, then they'll do favours for you. If you run a bar, and one of these guys appreciates you looking the other way, he'll want to do favours for the proprietor of the bar as well, so that's one way to profit.
Q: Is that to say that it will affect your flying around in space part of the game as well? CCP: Yeah, it absolutely will.
Q: One of the things that spoke pretty loudly to me was the whole "nuke from orbit" thing. What about it? CCP: In the future when you have all this space combat stuff, you're going to have planetary defences to stop random people from coming in and nuking it from orbit. So what you're going to need is stuff on the ground to knock out these planetary defences BEFORE you can glass it from orbit
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For more stuff contained in that article (also about Comets and mining at planetary orbital rings), see in the Article itself: Linkage
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.08 01:05:00 -
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do we have a date of realise yet
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:43:00 -
[970]
Originally by: HeliosGal do we have a date of realise yet
well, for the new planet and moon graphics in eve 01.12.09
for incarna, in that article they say they hope for next year
as for dust and planetary interaction, theres no such a thing as a release date
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Grez And this 'tiny' MMO is the second largest next to WoW.
That's only in the West. In Asia it's not even on the radar.
Not that I'm belittling Eve's success, just that I thought I'd put some perspective on it. Asian MMOs are f'ing HUGE compared to Eve, and right up there with WoW.
We should just be thankful CCP likes to keep its vision of the game instead of going for what's popular with the masses.
My understanding is that in Asia even WOW is small compared to some of them. The issue with EVE in Asia is that over there bots/hacks etc are tolerated a lot more which would ruin EVE with its player based trading.
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Grideris
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:33:00 -
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As for using the controller on the PC - they would have been using a Xbox 360 dev kit as you can not run unsigned code on a normal Xbox 360.
And before you ask, Dev kits are not normally available to the general public.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:34:00 -
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Duest before incarna
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Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2009.10.08 08:51:00 -
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Dont like the new Dust 514 gameplay-trailer, this one-man-army-soldier destroy the atmosphere of EVE Online, the soldier is like a gm-cruiser with 99,9% resistence to all damagetypes and with fitted with imba-weapons and controlled by an account-buyer.
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Cadde
Gallente FireworX
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:29:00 -
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Dust is developed on a computer, like all console games are... So it isn't surprising me a tiny bit if some devs behind the scene where playing it on PC's. Or even the dev with the gamepad on scene was playing on a PC since CCP hasn't even decided on what console it's going to play on yet.
Also, the PS3 and XBOX and all other consoles out there are just highly specialized gaming PC's anyways. PS3 is running on a modified GeForce 7800 GPU!
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:24:00 -
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just found antoher interview where one of hte devs slips that is going to be available on PC desktops like eve at launch they are just keeping it as a big bang annoucement just prior to dust going live in feb 10
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Glamaz Cruciatia
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: MaxPower 519
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
Pretty much this.
Oh please, CCP is not your little toy that you pay and they have to do what you say with your money, you pay to play eve... end off...
If ccp wants to use some of their profits to develope a new game, regardless of whether it is console only or, hell even if they developed hello kitty online, it would have nothing to do with you!!
Its just plain stupid this arguement, they make money and you want to tell them what to do with thier money? its not your money anymore, you paid to play eve.. thats what you got for your money!!
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Cadde
Gallente FireworX
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: MaxPower 519
Originally by: Dan Spitty
Also, adding WTF is up with all the console rage ? It's pathetic and embarrasing. Grow the **** up you lot, jeez.
CCP has been spending PC gamers money on a god damn console game! We have been financing their console game through our subscriptions on PC and will not get anything for it. I don't know about you guys but i feel kind of ripped off. More cool EvE stuff but not for us and if you want it go buy a console... that's BS
But all this rage could be premature as we don't have all the info for the game yet. I just like to Rage in the morning :)
Pretty much this.
Oh please, CCP is not your little toy that you pay and they have to do what you say with your money, you pay to play eve... end off...
If ccp wants to use some of their profits to develope a new game, regardless of whether it is console only or, hell even if they developed hello kitty online, it would have nothing to do with you!!
Its just plain stupid this arguement, they make money and you want to tell them what to do with thier money? its not your money anymore, you paid to play eve.. thats what you got for your money!!
Not to mention what you forgot to mention... The profits CCP will make from dust might just come back to eve some day... Right?
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:55:00 -
[979]
profits from xbox-ps3 and pc platforms they need to leverage off current eve player base to get it up and urnning
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:31:00 -
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following on we in the next week move to testing the new sov system lite pre dust on sisi please join n folks and tell ccp u want dust on PC to at launch
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Bill Buttlicker
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: HeliosGal just found antoher interview where one of hte devs slips that is going to be available on PC desktops like eve at launch they are just keeping it as a big bang annoucement just prior to dust going live in feb 10
Link or gtfo
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:52:00 -
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All Planets in Dust and Eve are procedurally generated and will look identical in both games, also with the same climate
WiS (now Incarna) will be released prior to dust
CCP hopes to release WiS 2010
WiS: youll be able to make money off of selling stuff from bars, do mini-games, and you can sc** stuff off like a casino
WiS will have roaming NPCs in stations. You can only meet them in bars. Theyll hand out special tasks
WiS will affect your flyingaroundinspace part of the game
Planet Interaction will let players own districts of planets, which they can develop and interact with others who also hold planet territory. CCP wants districts to have varying commodities, which then can be traded between districts. What do you choose to build up - industry,academia,infrastructure?
In the future, youll have planetary defences to stop people from coming in and nuking it from orbit. So what you need is stuff on the ground to knock out these planetary defences BEFORE you can glass it from orbit
Most Planets eg. gasgiants are not suited for human presence, those wont be Dust battlegrounds
EVE pilots will own the majority of planet districts, via a system that will be introduced to EVE in the next expansion after Dominion. But a couple of districts on each planet are reserved for DUST mercenaries
Dust will feed into SoV
Planets have several sectors. The majority need to be conquered before someone can claim souvereignity on a planet
Hiring DUST mercenaries won't be mandatory but it will be attractive; if you dont want to use them and your enemy does, youll have to
Dust features the unreal3 engine and dynamic battlefields, about 5km across, where spawn points are chosen by the players
Dust will use a microtransaction payment that allows purchasing of bp¦s for 1000`s of weapons, turrets, modules, and equipment for use ingame
Central place for dusties is their warship in space. Its a social platform, and also a staging platform for missions, and everyone can own a cabin there where you can show off trophies. From the war barge the dusties disembark on their missions
Eve commanders can issue strategic orders towards the ground troops
Eve Players can send isk and more down on the planet to support the ground troops
Isk can flow only from Eve to Dust, and not the other way round
Dust will feature Faction warfare vs NPCs, to ensure theres a battle to be had for quick fun
Central Goal for all Missions is to destroy the enemy MobileCommandCenter(MCC)
There will be a command structure with infantry and squadron leaders on each side led by a playercommander on board the MCC
The commander will have an RTSstyle view of the battlefield
The Commander+his MCC will be the ultimate aim of a battle - after several varying sub-objectives
Infantryplayers will clear the fogofwar for the Commander
Commanders can install structures (launchers/guns/spawnpoints)
The focus is on a deep modular system of fitting and customising weapons and vehicles
in Dust theres 2 ways you can get from one planet to another: 1. Clone jump to defend. 2. To attack an enemy corp, your dust corp can purchase a warbarge which can orbit around planets. You MUST have a warbarge to attack. War barges will be very costly
Mixture of procudural technology and designed content, to create unique battlefields for each Dust-planet
Will Dust only happen in 0.0, or will we also fight over low or high sec? Were still debating how far we push it
The style of each race will be given relevance on dust-planets
# of players in a battle up to 64 at launch
Dusties have access to various weapons,vehicles,airunits
Vehicles in Dust can be fitted like eveships, with low-,medium-,high-slots
Dust will be a persistent world
One battle is always about one sector of a planet
Dust features an achievement system where you unlock access to more equipment as you advance
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:29:00 -
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Slight correction folks the realise scheldue is as follows Dominions Dust Incarna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNhPig8inEY
From 1 hour 10 minutes and onwards
Pay particular attention to .... about 20 minutes before that dominions-dust then incarna
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.09 23:41:00 -
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So basically dust is coming in or around febuaray or march, incarna is the engine it will be going in as winter expansion. Dust will be available on PC lest CCP will loose revenue
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.10.10 00:11:00 -
[985]
Originally by: Bill Buttlicker
Originally by: HeliosGal just found antoher interview where one of hte devs slips that is going to be available on PC desktops like eve at launch they are just keeping it as a big bang annoucement just prior to dust going live in feb 10
Link or gtfo
This.
If your 'link' is the Fanfest presentation, then your listening comprehension needs more work.
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Kirex
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.10 03:45:00 -
[986]
Don't pay attention to him, the guy's an idiot. Just reading the comments on this page alone he said:
Quote: youtube 1 hour 41 minute long fanfest presentation if u look closely youll see its running on PC
Quote: do we have a date of realise yet
Quote: Duest before incarna
Quote: just found antoher interview where one of hte devs slips that is going to be available on PC desktops like eve at launch they are just keeping it as a big bang annoucement just prior to dust going live in feb 10
Quote: [...]on sisi please join n folks and tell ccp u want dust on PC to at launch
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.10.11 01:37:00 -
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Don't be upset as you rest something as Important as SOV on people that play Console games. I know the problem is that you can't help take care of the situation yourself. You have to rely on others. But you already do that with your various Allies.
In fact the most infuriating thing about EVE is that you always have to rely on other people, even people you don't know or don't like, for the quality of your EVE experience.
Just remember, you can probably dismiss and hire a new marine core if the one you have loose to many planets for you.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.11 05:00:00 -
[988]
so in review dust is more developed than incarna and will be coming in feburary. Incarna as the mid year expansion and dust 514 will also be on PC as it makes a good business case for CCP for reasons listed elsewhere
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.11 07:30:00 -
[989]
Originally by: Kanatta Jing Don't be upset as you rest something as Important as SOV on people that play Console games. I know the problem is that you can't help take care of the situation yourself. You have to rely on others. But you already do that with your various Allies.
In fact the most infuriating thing about EVE is that you always have to rely on other people, even people you don't know or don't like, for the quality of your EVE experience.
Just remember, you can probably dismiss and hire a new marine core if the one you have loose to many planets for you.
...except that sovereignty is NOT going to hinge on Dust players. Seriously man, haven't you been paying attention?
Dust players will be fighting for control of assets on planetary surfaces which can be claimed by EVE players as part of a completely separate game mechanic to sovereignty. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.11 07:58:00 -
[990]
well planetary control will hinge on controlling the planets - sov will i think require some form of majority planetary control but im assuming where an alliance doesnt use dust players or none are available that instead there will be some form of NPC AI ground forces against NPC based AI ground forces of both sides in these circumstances
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.11 09:21:00 -
[991]
uhmmm... no, Sovereignty is not in any way going to be tied to planets.
Look, we KNOW how the sov system in Dominion is going to work, and it's being released long before planetary interaction will be. PI will be a completely separate thing. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.12 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
...except that sovereignty is NOT going to hinge on Dust players. Seriously man, haven't you been paying attention?
Dust players will be fighting for control of assets on planetary surfaces which can be claimed by EVE players as part of a completely separate game mechanic to sovereignty.
dust will feed into souvereignity, thats what the devs said
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:32:00 -
[993]
CCP on a PC version:
..added that ôThe future is still open,ö indicating that while a console version is the companys focus now, they have not ruled out a PC version in the future
Linkage
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.12 06:58:00 -
[994]
Originally by: Tamahra
CCP hopes to release WiS 2010
....
Wouldn't want them to commit to any kind of time frame or anything.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.12 09:02:00 -
[995]
Originally by: Agonizer42 dust will feed into souvereignity, thats what the devs said
Where, when, and how? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Agonizer42 dust will feed into souvereignity, thats what the devs said
Where, when, and how?
should be common knowledge, but there you go... Petursson said it when they first announced dust on the gdc
Linkage
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:12:00 -
[997]
Edited by: Stitcher on 12/10/2009 10:12:15
Originally by: Agonizer42 dust will feed into souvereignity, thats what the devs said
No they didn't, they said it would feed into planetary interaction. completely different. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 12/10/2009 10:12:15
Originally by: Agonizer42 dust will feed into souvereignity, thats what the devs said
No they didn't, they said it would feed into planetary interaction. completely different.
lol ok. then watch the video i linked in the post above yours. they even said that dust will only one part of all of those which are feeding into sov.
lrn2commonknowledge
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.12 10:43:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Agonizer42 should be common knowledge, but there you go... Petursson said it when they first announced dust on the gdc
Linkage
Yes, we all know that, but that's not how either Dust or post-Dominion sov is described by the people developing it. New information trumps old, in this case, and I personally asked CCP Hammerhead about this — he said no.
Dust feeds into PI, as mentioned, and PI is far more likely to feed into space improvement than actual sov. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:00:00 -
[1000]
Edited by: Agonizer42 on 12/10/2009 11:00:24
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Agonizer42 should be common knowledge, but there you go... Petursson said it when they first announced dust on the gdc
Linkage
Yes, we all know that, but that's not how either Dust or post-Dominion sov is described by the people developing it. New information trumps old, in this case, and I personally asked CCP Hammerhead about this ù he said no.
Dust feeds into PI, as mentioned, and PI is far more likely to feed into space improvement than actual sov.
to what exactly did ccp hammerhead say "no" to?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:07:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: Agonizer42 to what exactly did ccp hammerhead say "no" to?
That dustbunnies will determine EVE sov. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Agonizer42
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Agonizer42 to what exactly did ccp hammerhead say "no" to?
That dustbunnies will determine EVE sov.
ok this raises a new question.
1. Source or Link? (or it never happened :=p; i myself have already provided a source to back my arguments up)
2. Your statement would mean that they have revamped the effects that dust would have towards eve. This might be very possible, since its all in development still, and everything in development is usually subject to changes. But again, is there a source for that?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Agonizer42 1. Source or Link?
Me, on the floor of fanfest.
Quote: 2. Your statement would mean that they have revamped the effects that dust would have towards eve. This might be very possible, since its all in development still, and everything in development is usually subject to changes. But again, is there a source for that?
Well, mainly the Dominion presentation(s) at fanfest. What they're aiming for is a very simply, and therefore very robust system of sov which centres around two things: outposts (which have to be conquered before you can do anything else) and TCUs (which isn't the official name, but I will keep using it as such just because they said we shouldn't). And that's it.
All the extra frills come through the infrastructure improvement system, which is a completely separate mechanic to sov. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.15 10:00:00 -
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All Info-Gathering about Planets/Dust/Incarna aside, i have a request, and rather than starting a new thread, im using this one for my request, since this thread already caught good attention :x
Please support my request if you agree with me, by just typing /signed in your reply, so that we can enjoy all the new shiny background stars and planet graphics in Dominion, without having to look at ugly nebulas. Sooooo, here goes:
We¦ll get the new planets in Dominion We¦ll get the new awesome background stars in Dominion
But one thing bothers me: As more and more stuff gets a graphical treatment, its becoming more and more obvious that the background nebulas are ugly as hell and are only disturbing the new shiny graphics.
So, my request is, that we do not have to wait until after dominion to get a treatment to the background nebulas.
How can CCP do this? By simply increasing the transparency of the existing nebulas, so that they do not dominate the skies anymore.
Or by reducing the opacity of the nebulas, whatever you may call it.
Please support this thread, so that the skies in Eve become more BLACK again, and so that we can enjoy the new shiny background stars and planets without having to get angry because of the ugly nebulas
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Kronossan
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.15 10:28:00 -
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I really don't know how space would look when the backgrounds have a higher transparency so not sure if it's a good idea, should be put on sisi so we can see it (though I doubt the devs need our help deciding if something looks good or not)
Off topic (if this topic has a real topic), it's annoying you keep changing the content of the first post. Just saying. _________________
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Vyre V'Umbra
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Posted - 2009.10.15 11:10:00 -
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/signed
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2009.10.15 11:20:00 -
[1007]
This thread should be locked, this many drastic updates to the Original Post is stupid.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.15 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 15/10/2009 11:53:50 Edited by: Tamahra on 15/10/2009 11:49:20
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky This thread should be locked, this many drastic updates to the Original Post is stupid.
when i made the thread, i should have reserved some slots for further updates, but the OP simply lacks the space to cram everything i wanted to cram in. the thread originally was about a livestream for the announcents on the gdc, where, among other things, dust was announced for the first time. then it was about collecting info on all the upcoming dust/planet/incarna info.
And it still is.
As the time went by, after creating the thread, i just updated the thread with new info various people were able to gather.
i also think this is a good thread for outsiders who can see what awesomeness ccp is gonna bring to us in the future, in one compiled thread.
And whom would it serve if they locked that thread? The thread is constructive, informative, no bashing or flaming occured after 34 pages. iSo rather than spamming the forums by new threads all the time, ill stick to this one. IF CCp however decides its time to bring the thread to an end, then so be it. I just cant see any reasonable reason why they would have to.
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JSC
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Posted - 2009.10.15 12:03:00 -
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I don't think it's cool to change the subject of the thread a hundred times.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.10.15 12:04:00 -
[1010]
/signing for denebulization
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.15 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: JSC I don't think it's cool to change the subject of the thread a hundred times.
the poster below you understood what i meant :=)
it doesnt matter how we get the request to the DEVs, to have a more BLACK space in Dominion, that lets us enjoy the new shiny graphics more. All that matters is that they gain attention of it, and i chose to do it through this thread. :=p
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.15 12:24:00 -
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/signing in support of a thread lock
This needs to be locked down because it has been expanded too much already and you now want to bring voting for your idea into this mess and the idea doesn't really have anything to do with the original topic. FFS even the current topic has nothing to do with most of the posts anymore.
Also, your new topic belongs in the assembly hall, which can be found here
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Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:51:00 -
[1013]
/signed for a fix to the nebulaes in dominion
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Ritter Roland
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:52:00 -
[1014]
/signed, would be nice if they denebulazed the backgrounds a bit
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Tbear
Cave Bear Mining
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Posted - 2009.10.15 14:16:00 -
[1015]
/Signed
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Mr Muchaka
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Posted - 2009.10.15 14:41:00 -
[1016]
/Signed to doing something about the UGLY Nebulas
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:01:00 -
[1017]
New IGN Interview with Hilmar Some Keynotes, which some of you probably havent known yet:
IGN: What kinds of vehicles will be available? Can any player drive vehicles, and what kinds of customization options are available to players who want to tweak a vehicle's functionality?
Hilmar Petursson: Our aim is to launch with eight vehicle classes per race. These range from small hover bikes to heavy tanks. Each race's vehicles share a similar style and statistical differentiation with the ships of EVE Online. Any soldier can order in a vehicle for combat, provided that they've accumulated sufficient war points during the match. The commander chooses which types are available to the team in the pre-match deployment phase.
IGN: Is there a character progression system at all, like do you train skills over time similar to how it's done in EVE? If not, how does it work?
Hilmar Petursson: Like in EVE Online, there are not strict character classes so you are free to specialize your character in any way you see fit. Of course, like in EVE Online, focusing your progression has its benefits.
IGN: How does the gameplay work? Is it typical first-person shooter controls? What kinds of weapons do you use and how do you go about acquiring them?
Hilmar Petursson: At its core, DUST 514 is a first person shooter with run and gun gameplay. But there is a heavy emphasis on vehicular combat that layers tactical and strategic dimensions within each battle. In addition, weapons and modules are upgradable in real time, which we believe pushes DUST 514 beyond what has been seen in the market so far.
IGN: Will DUST 514 players have to wait around for EVE players to issue directives, or can they just jump into conflicts whenever they want?
Hilmar Petursson: DUST 514 players can drive their own agendas. In addition, there is also an NPC-based political landscape, similar to EVE Online, that keeps things lively. There's always going to be targets to shoot at.
IGN: How do the results of DUST 514 matches affect the world of EVE, and how visible will these effects be to DUST players?
Hilmar Petursson: The fundamental change is in the control of planets, which can end up belonging to EVE corporations or DUST 514 corporations. Changes in occupation and sovereignty will be very visible to each DUST mercenary.
IGN: Will this be a subscription-based game? If not, could you talk about what kind of pricing model might be used and some of the reasons why?
Hilmar Petursson: A subscription will not be required to play DUST 514. In order to achieve our dual goals of making a game that has meaningful character progression and one that you can jump into quickly, we are adding a virtual goods-based micro-transaction model while being very careful about not allowing anyone to "buy a win".
The full interview is here: Linkage
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.10.22 13:43:00 -
[1018]
Quote: Respawns are enabled through special cloning technology which is different than the cloning technology that EVE capsuleers use. You will be able to read all about the tech in the third EVE novel due out next year.
Third novel omg yes!
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.22 14:11:00 -
[1019]
ZOMG! HOVER BIKES!
Sold. -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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JSC
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Posted - 2009.10.22 16:16:00 -
[1020]
Oh so this thread is about Dust again?
What happened to the petition on nebulas? Or the other 9001 topics you've made this thread about?
It's lame.
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.22 16:25:00 -
[1021]
Edited by: Tamahra on 22/10/2009 16:32:48
Originally by: JSC Oh so this thread is about Dust again?
What happened to the petition on nebulas? Or the other 9001 topics you've made this thread about? It's lame.
actually, this thread was always about collecting info about dust, planets and incarna, except for that nebula incident
but why you think this thread is lame is beyond me, i have put quite some time and work into it to gather all the info into one place.
/edit: i meant, dust, planets and planetary interaction
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Fedesti Capro
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Posted - 2009.10.31 13:28:00 -
[1022]
i so want dust514, ill be definately buying it
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.12.27 20:47:00 -
[1023]
The AI can take over the role of a commander in a Dust battle if no player is willing to play the commander or no player has earned the right to the role (the AI will fly the MCC in that case)
Commanders choose vehicle and installation loadouts prior to a match, placing preliminary spawn points and structures on a wireframe map in full view of both teams as they set the stage for conflict
There are ten vehicle classes, but the commander can only commit five for each battle. We have 15 installation types, and he can only choose five. ItÆs simple, really, like Magic: The Gathering: you prepare your deck and then fight
as commander you can affect the battlefield by creating incentives for your players to perform certain tasks: youÆre working towards objectives and moving the focus of the fighting about
Essentially, the Eve players need to control planets. Planets give them resources and affect sovereignty. So they can issue contracts to win over territory on their behalf: either open-ended contracts for all to accept, or more direct contracts to specific mercenary corporations.
We have aspirations to add on to Dust twice a year û we have plans for expansions like we have with Eve, and weÆve already drafted out a wishlist of things
Player progression, then, depends upon a system CCP refers to as the achievement matrix. Levelling is bad, but the achievement matrix does to a certain extent replace it,ö suggests Sveinsson. ôWe donÆt want to have a linear kind of levelling: we want to promote usage of all kinds of weapons, playing for all races and accepting all kinds of contracts, so we need a very freeform approach. At the start, the matrix is basically ten tiers with multiple columns for the different NPC corporations that manufacture weapons and equipment. To advance a tier you need to accrue a certain percentage of the achievements within that tier. This unlocks the ability to buy better stuff, but you can also collect combo unlocks through skilful playing that gives you persistent attribute enhancements for vehicles and weapons.
When it comes to the battlefields themselves, the landscape of Dust is just as persistent, with dynamic arenas that change over time. ôThe planets where youÆre fighting already exist in the Eve universe,ö stresses Sveinsson. ôThat means they react to that universe. The first time you go there, the battlefield looks green and friendly perhaps, but then someone nukes it from orbit, and the next time you go there itÆs totally different. You think to yourself: æOh, I know this place, but it doesnÆt look as I remember itÆ, and thatÆs because thereÆs a player in a different game who is affecting it. VarietyÆs not just about the minute-to-minute gameplay, where commanders can deploy different installations: itÆs also about the composition of these battlefields. Not all planets are created equal: some are lush, some are arid, some are deserts. We can only create so many battlefields in terms of the models, but if you have a terraforming index, you can actually state where in its evolution a planet is: this alters which textures are being used, which affects gameplay in terms of atmosphere, sight-lines, water levels. In a more developed planet, maybe a route you used to take is now filled with water. That changes your tactics.
Linkage
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.12.27 21:52:00 -
[1024]
interesting read and its making the game so much more full of promises. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Malios45
People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.27 21:59:00 -
[1025]
This thread is pure hotness. Keep the info coming Tamahra
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.28 18:18:00 -
[1026]
Good find, it's been a while since I read new information on Dust.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.31 13:33:00 -
[1027]
brilliant find.
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Valariam
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Posted - 2009.12.31 14:46:00 -
[1028]
Hopefully it's not called Dust 514 because of the fact that it's going to be highly flammable, and go up in smoke when/if Star Wars releases at the same time.
"Exodus"
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Dalieus Dakarn
Caldari Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2009.12.31 21:08:00 -
[1029]
Originally by: Valariam Hopefully it's not called Dust 514 because of the fact that it's going to be highly flammable, and go up in smoke when/if Star Wars releases at the same time.
"Exodus"
Are we talking about The Old Republic, or the dream that SOE wakes up and reinstalls SWG: Pre-CU?
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.12.31 22:11:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Dalieus Dakarn
Originally by: Valariam Hopefully it's not called Dust 514 because of the fact that it's going to be highly flammable, and go up in smoke when/if Star Wars releases at the same time.
"Exodus"
Are we talking about The Old Republic, or the dream that SOE wakes up and reinstalls SWG: Pre-CU?
did swg pre-cu have full loot or partial loot or something like that btw? have never played it
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.12.31 22:14:00 -
[1031]
Originally by: JSC What happened to the petition on nebulas? Or the other 9001 topics you've made this thread about?
as for the petition on the nebulae: have a look for yourself in-game
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Ishuku
Amarr Dark Star Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.31 22:37:00 -
[1032]
Edited by: Ishuku on 31/12/2009 22:46:08 I don't think TOR is going to be released until 2011. Besides from what I get from CCP is that they will develop the game in the same process that they started Eve out. For me I see Dust 514 and Incarna opening a brilliant chapter in our careers here in New Eden. I just hope for a PC version for Dust 514/ ~sghq.com~ |
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