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Bastaardicious
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:14:00 -
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Right, so every race it's cruiser seems to be good at some decent PvP, except for caldari. Today I tried fighting an arbitrator in my caracal, and even with a jammer fitted and perma jamming that guy I could not kill it with my HAMs since the drones were killing me. I can't fit T2 blasters on a Moa yet, but I'll give it a try... even though I doubt if it will be any good.
So, are caldari cruisers any good for solo pvp? If so, which and with what fit? Don't come here with T2 cruisers ... we're talking normal t1's.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:15:00 -
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Assault caracal is kinda decent. Just get a drake though tbh. Don't whine about cost, after insurance it's the same.
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Lee Chinnick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:19:00 -
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Solo caldari cruisers would be tough to do without either picking your fights very carefully.
I would suggest training up battlecruisers and fly the drake.
Ham drakes are quite good at solo :)
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:21:00 -
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caracals fine. you should have shot the arbis drones. drakes better though tbh.
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bastaardicious Right, so every race it's cruiser seems to be good at some decent PvP, except for caldari. ... my caracal ... a jammer fitted ... HAMs ...
Well that's one huge mistake right there.
Quote: So, are caldari cruisers any good for solo pvp? If so, which and with what fit? Don't come here with T2 cruisers ... we're talking normal t1's.
No, they really aren't. Assault missile Caracal works alright but only against frigates, blaster Moa is probably the closest you'd get to matching something like a Thorax or Rupture.
I've been toying with this, but it's untested -
[Moa, PVP Blasters] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x3
Rigs for post-patch. Again it's untested, so I have no idea how it'd perform solo, but I probably wouldn't be betting money on it.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:12:00 -
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Don't HAM a Caracal, ever.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: bff Jill on 14/08/2009 21:28:31 If you try to fit a point + web on a moa its going to be inferior to a thorax in all ways. If you only fit a point though you can get 33k EHP and 450 dps, which is kind of neat i guess.
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Zal Dakkar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:40:00 -
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AML caracal against frigs.
BB can be very effective if you can dock up and fit the appropriate jammers. Moderately tanked fits with disco will laugh at drones. Dps will be pitiful no matter what though, but can still chew through a buffer tank eventually.
Blaster moa isn't as terrible as people typically go on about, but it isn't anything to brag about either. It requires some serious gunnery skills that many lower SP caldari pilots will not have.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:18:00 -
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who needs cruisers when you get the drake?
Kinda like Gallante and worthless BC's since we get the Domi... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
McClan
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:32:00 -
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Moa with blasters or Carcals with hams but its paper thin. Ferox is nice to and cheaper then a Drake.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:59:00 -
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Blaster moa with null ammo is fine. I prefer a reactor control ii and bigger guns vs electrons and a damage control. Just fit a point - you can't afford a web on this ship.
If you're a noob - go with assault missile caracal (easier on skills).
When you fight a thorax, vexor, or an arbitrator - kill the drones first. Use range don't get in scram/web range ever with aml caracal.
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Azael Lightshade
Amarr V i L e
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:10:00 -
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My mate is sticking to Falcon in 0.0 mostly geared out to beat down tech 2 frigates and cruisers. The problem with caldari is that they have bad SR and catching people is a bummer. No one is going to engage you unless they know they can win and most of the time you're trying to catch them.
Moa has good damage output with named hybrid guns. You can tank it decently enough even though there is no damage bonus. It's a good ship people will engage because no one thinks Moa's are all that great.
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Azael Lightshade
Amarr V i L e
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous Blaster moa with null ammo is fine. I prefer a reactor control ii and bigger guns vs electrons and a damage control. Just fit a point - you can't afford a web on this ship.
If you're a noob - go with assault missile caracal (easier on skills).
When you fight a thorax, vexor, or an arbitrator - kill the drones first. Use range don't get in scram/web range ever with aml caracal.
If you can't use Tech 2 Medium Blasters then use named ones. 5 Modal Neutron Particle Accelerators, 3 Damage mods and Faction Antimatter is about 364 DPS. If you have Tech II drones it's about 413 DPS. Compared to a Caracals 326 with all Heavy II's, 2 BCU's and 2 Tech II Light Drones.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 15/08/2009 01:21:08 Caldari don't have an equivalent of the Thorax/Arbitrator/Vexor/Rupture.
Best they get is the Blaster Moa, which is about acceptable, but not exactly great. Assault launcher Caracal isn't too bad either, but really is a 'mugging lights' sort of a ship.
On the other hand, the Drake is actively good.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:26:00 -
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Blaster Moa is better than people give it credit for.
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Tolrok Qorte
Minmatar Order of Nephilim The Council.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama who needs cruisers when you get the drake?
Kinda like Gallante and worthless BC's since we get the Domi...
Sorry to get off topic but this bugged me. The Myrmidon is an insane battlecruiser. Using projectile guns it can fit the best sub-cap passive shield tank in the game. That makes in incredibly powerful for the 5 or 6 minutes the cap lasts, which should be plenty of time if you're fighting right.
Plus if you're bait, you can fit the highs with full nos' and use med/heavy ECM drones. Meaning the target is on a silver platter by the time your gang warps in.
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reason Blaster Moa is better than people give it credit for.
It is a bit more limited vs frigs(because of less drones) but it is not realy worse of that the Rupture\Rax vs Cruisers since it can offset his moderate DPS with a lot more EHP(simlar to a well fitted maller, it is not a easy kill unlike most people think if you hit a deacend pilote). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tolrok Qorte
Originally by: Footoo Rama who needs cruisers when you get the drake?
Kinda like Gallante and worthless BC's since we get the Domi...
Sorry to get off topic but this bugged me. The Myrmidon is an insane battlecruiser. Using projectile guns it can fit the best sub-cap passive shield tank in the game. That makes in incredibly powerful for the 5 or 6 minutes the cap lasts, which should be plenty of time if you're fighting right.
Plus if you're bait, you can fit the highs with full nos' and use med/heavy ECM drones. Meaning the target is on a silver platter by the time your gang warps in.
Drake is more or less on par with this, still I would not call a passive tank a PVP fitting since well, it tanks and nothing more(you slowly seeing drakes that actualy look PVP fitted instead of PVE now).
Also a Brutix(ST) is the the better ship for a small gang to take down Cruisers\Hacs fast. There is a reason the Brutix is the only BC that actualy is more common than his tier 2 variant... ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.15 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tolrok Qorte
Originally by: Footoo Rama who needs cruisers when you get the drake?
Kinda like Gallante and worthless BC's since we get the Domi...
Sorry to get off topic but this bugged me. The Myrmidon is an insane battlecruiser. Using projectile guns it can fit the best sub-cap passive shield tank in the game. That makes in incredibly powerful for the 5 or 6 minutes the cap lasts, which should be plenty of time if you're fighting right.
Plus if you're bait, you can fit the highs with full nos' and use med/heavy ECM drones. Meaning the target is on a silver platter by the time your gang warps in.
Surely you kid.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.08.15 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Tolrok Qorte
Originally by: Footoo Rama who needs cruisers when you get the drake?
Kinda like Gallante and worthless BC's since we get the Domi...
Sorry to get off topic but this bugged me. The Myrmidon is an insane battlecruiser. Using projectile guns it can fit the best sub-cap passive shield tank in the game. That makes in incredibly powerful for the 5 or 6 minutes the cap lasts, which should be plenty of time if you're fighting right.
Plus if you're bait, you can fit the highs with full nos' and use med/heavy ECM drones. Meaning the target is on a silver platter by the time your gang warps in.
Surely you kid.
Agreed... the myrm... BB brutix sure... but a BB domi!! that is style! ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
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LoKesh
Amarr Nex Exercitus
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Posted - 2009.08.15 03:11:00 -
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Blackbird. Pick your targets, if something goes bad - jam him and run. |
Bastaardicious
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:21:00 -
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I know drakes are good, I fly them too :)
Was just wondering what equivalent ships there are to other race's cruisers ...
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:32:00 -
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AML Caracal is good for killing T2 frigs and so on, and they'll probably think you're an easy target, too. The ship's horrible reputation works in your favour.
Btw, Myrmidon rocks... but not as a tank ship.
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