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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.10 01:36:00 -
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Not joking.
I fit my ishtar with pulses and replaced a omni-tracking link with another cap recharger and I haven't looked back. excellent range (with Scorch) and better damage and tracking than rails, even considering the bonus to hybrids. A bit sad really.
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.10 02:05:00 -
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since when did the ishtar suck at PvE? Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.10 02:44:00 -
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you sure its not your skills that make your lasers better than hybrids on a hybrid bonused ship?
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Aranis Nax
Minmatar Seraphim Blades
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Posted - 2009.08.10 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma you sure its not your skills that make your lasers better than hybrids on a hybrid bonused ship?
rails are weak on the damage output, being a longrange weapon, when compared to pulse lasers. And they have lower tracking.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.10 05:00:00 -
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I remember when there were daily "Amarr SUX, lasers suck donkey balls!" threads. Now we have nerf lasers threads and a dude putting them on an Ishtar. How things change. ___________
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.10 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka I remember when there were daily "Amarr SUX, lasers suck donkey balls!" threads. Now we have nerf lasers threads and a dude putting them on an Ishtar. How things change.
its hilarious
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: AtheistOfDoom since when did the ishtar suck at PvE?
I shouldn't have said "suck", cause it doesn't suck at PVE, but I think it does need a weapon system in those 3 high slots that can contribute meaningful DPS.
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aranis Nax
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma you sure its not your skills that make your lasers better than hybrids on a hybrid bonused ship?
rails are weak on the damage output, being a longrange weapon, when compared to pulse lasers. And they have lower tracking.
ya but that doesnt answer the question so STFU til you can do it
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
Originally by: Aranis Nax
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma you sure its not your skills that make your lasers better than hybrids on a hybrid bonused ship?
rails are weak on the damage output, being a longrange weapon, when compared to pulse lasers. And they have lower tracking.
ya but that doesnt answer the question so STFU til you can do it
Stop being lazy yourself and check eft then
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 10/08/2009 13:40:33 Duh depends what ya need it for. I already used:
200mm ACs - for ceptor smacking (+neut/web) small neutron blasters - npcing gatling - aggro medium beams - ceptor smacking (no web)
And ofc. 3-4 different medium sized guns. Fit whatever makes ya happy, duh.
Also as it is for pve you dont fit "because it has moar range" gun, you fit gun to hit weakest resists. Have fun using your "uber schorch lasers" vs guristas or angels.
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.10 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 10/08/2009 13:43:38 i dont need to check eft to know which guns will do more damage if your trained for hybrids- you carebears are getting more pathetic all the time
EDIT: oh, i forgot that EFT warriors always have all skills at V
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2009.08.10 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 10/08/2009 13:43:38 i dont need to check eft to know which guns will do more damage if your trained for hybrids- you carebears are getting more pathetic all the time
EDIT: oh, i forgot that EFT warriors always have all skills at V
What about your favorite ship the Myrmidon. It has no bonuses, and you fit blasters.
I guess when you are camping the undock location in Jita, range is rarely an issue.
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:37:00 -
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bet hat as it may, what does that have to do w/ an ishtar
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.10 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 10/08/2009 13:43:38 i dont need to check eft to know which guns will do more damage if your trained for hybrids- you carebears are getting more pathetic all the time
EDIT: oh, i forgot that EFT warriors always have all skills at V
lol, stop embarassing yourself. "carebear" "EFT warrior"
Way to get insulted there, you even felt the need to come up with meaningless insults.
lol.
Aslo, learn how to compare ships. To compare them objectively one uses level 5 skills. When making your own ship, one uses your own skills. Also you fail, if you think that most players deviate that far form an all level 5 skill on theri own setups. At least the serious ones.
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:55:00 -
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i wouldnt base any ishtar fit around medium lasers. just leaves way too many gaps. for example, no cap injector, no mwd, or no sentry rigs. there are lots of good fits that incorporate medium pulse II's though.
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.11 02:21:00 -
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serious players follow their ships bonuses
objectively of-course
and those arent insults just "objective" observations
although the part where i said "pathetic" was
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Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.11 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma serious players follow their ships bonuses
No, serious players use their imaginations to come up with the most effective out of the box setups to surprise an enemy and take advantage of a situation. The auto cannon Punisher is an example of this "out of the box" thinking. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.11 02:55:00 -
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yes, but hes gimping his entire loadout just to fit medium lasers. Lishtars look good on paper, but you cant kill anything with them. centre your build around maximizing speed/tank, utility (i.e. TD/anti-frig capability/tackle etc.) and sentries. more often than not, an ishtar with medium lasers will lack: dps, speed, tank, and/or utility. there are fits that can do all of the above.
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma serious players follow their ships bonuses
No, serious players use their imaginations to come up with the most effective out of the box setups to surprise an enemy and take advantage of a situation. The auto cannon Punisher is an example of this "out of the box" thinking.
no matter what... with all gunnery at V, you will not do more damage on a bonused ships with mis-matchted weapons. its simple math.
and "out of the box" t1 frigs are only good for killing newbs and miners..... not serious players.
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Bannable Offense. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma serious players follow their ships bonuses
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
and "out of the box" t1 frigs are only good for killing newbs and miners..... not serious players.
why so serious? ______
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aranis Nax
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma you sure its not your skills that make your lasers better than hybrids on a hybrid bonused ship?
rails are weak on the damage output, being a longrange weapon, when compared to pulse lasers. And they have lower tracking.
Rails are **** unless you're shooting Spike.
If the OP is shooting antimatter out of rails, even T2, I can understand the idea of T2 lasers with scorch, similar range, better tracking up close, maybe even more damage, hybrid bonus and all.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.11 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE i wouldnt base any ishtar fit around medium lasers. just leaves way too many gaps. for example, no cap injector, no mwd, or no sentry rigs. there are lots of good fits that incorporate medium pulse II's though.
I should have made it clearer that I was talking about PVE only. I wouldn't fit lasers on a PVP build either.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.11 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Christina Bamar on 11/08/2009 12:18:32
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
Originally by: Commander Yassir
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma serious players follow their ships bonuses
No, serious players use their imaginations to come up with the most effective out of the box setups to surprise an enemy and take advantage of a situation. The auto cannon Punisher is an example of this "out of the box" thinking.
no matter what... with all gunnery at V, you will not do more damage on a bonused ships with mis-matchted weapons. its simple math.
and "out of the box" t1 frigs are only good for killing newbs and miners..... not serious players.
"Serious" players don't sit around on forums all day talking about how serious they are
You tend to want to fit to your bonuses, but blindly sticking to them isn't going to accomplish anything. The best fit is the best fit, even if it ignores the bonuses.
A laser Ishtar does make sense for ratting mainly for the no ammo consumption.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:39:00 -
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Quote: no matter what... with all skills at V, you will not do more damage on a bonused ships with mis-matchted weapons. its simple math.
Hawk, any other boat with lolRockets bonus, Ferox, who knows what else.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Quote: no matter what... with all skills at V, you will not do more damage on a bonused ships with mis-matchted weapons. its simple math.
Hawk, any other boat with lolRockets bonus, Ferox, who knows what else.
Obviously doesn't fly minmatar.
To name a few more boats
Punisher, Maelstrom, typhoon, dominix, myrmidon..
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Zal Dakkar
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma serious players follow their ships bonuses
False. There are plenty of examples of widely accepted "best" fits that completely ignore bonuses.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:29:00 -
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This threads slowly becomes "totaly pwn and discredit the noob called Samaritan." OP should change the titel. He IS a tool though, I`ll give you that.
Hey, Samaritan Azuba, stop posting nonsense and ban yourself....like forever. Also, dont hate me for saying what everyone else is thinking.
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techzer0
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Bazuka I remember when there were daily "Amarr SUX, lasers suck donkey balls!" threads. Now we have nerf lasers threads and a dude putting them on an Ishtar. How things change.
its hilarious
I like the laser myrm
At least it's unbonused, so it's not all that weird ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.13 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bazuka This threads slowly becomes "totaly pwn and discredit the noob called Samaritan." OP should change the titel. He IS a tool though, I`ll give you that.
Hey, Samaritan Azuba, stop posting nonsense and ban yourself....like forever. Also, dont hate me for saying what everyone else is thinking.
STWS
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Dawts
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.13 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma STWS
Stuve-Wiedemann Syndrome?
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.08.13 22:38:00 -
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IDK here... the cap recharge on gallante makes running energy weapons pretty hard, and is it worth getting past the native hybrid bonus, and losing a few slots to increase cap ability on a hybrid fitted ship. I have seen some gallante fitted with projectile weapons that kinda make sense ie passive domi's that have basically no cap recharge, but you are gimping dps for tanking... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
Ze4K DK
Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.14 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama IDK here... the cap recharge on gallante makes running energy weapons pretty hard, and is it worth getting past the native hybrid bonus, and losing a few slots to increase cap ability on a hybrid fitted ship. I have seen some gallante fitted with projectile weapons that kinda make sense ie passive domi's that have basically no cap recharge, but you are gimping dps for tanking...
Have you actually fitted a passive domi?
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:15:00 -
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Lasers, Hyrbids, Monkeys or Llamas...
Its PvE and its by far your secondary weapon system.. who cares what it is. However, I'm not sure why you'd use Scorch for PvE.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Ze4K DK
Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Lasers, Hyrbids, Monkeys or Llamas...
Its PvE and its by far your secondary weapon system.. who cares what it is. However, I'm not sure why you'd use Scorch for PvE.
I'd have to say because of the range...
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.14 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Artemis Rose Lasers, Hyrbids, Monkeys or Llamas...
Its PvE and its by far your secondary weapon system.. who cares what it is. However, I'm not sure why you'd use Scorch for PvE.
I'd have to say because of the range...
I don't know about you, but I'd PvE to make ISK, not to pointlessly spend it on T2 crystals that, in reality, do not contribute all that much to the ship. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Ze4K DK
Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.14 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Artemis Rose Lasers, Hyrbids, Monkeys or Llamas...
Its PvE and its by far your secondary weapon system.. who cares what it is. However, I'm not sure why you'd use Scorch for PvE.
I'd have to say because of the range...
I don't know about you, but I'd PvE to make ISK, not to pointlessly spend it on T2 crystals that, in reality, do not contribute all that much to the ship.
How much does a scorch crystal cost and how long will it take to burn out? It adds the range of Radio with damage of Gamma which seems pretty nifty...
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Samaritan Azuma
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.14 14:02:00 -
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this thread has gone into disagreement w/ the 1st page why arent the clowns here calling names now?
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Lasers, Hyrbids, Monkeys or Llamas...
Its PvE and its by far your secondary weapon system.. who cares what it is.
Exactly. It's about fitting a weapon system that can do reasonable damage at range while you orbit your sentries, or while you're flying towards/orbiting the target with ogres.
The range of blasters is crap, rails don't hit for crap, but lasers have good range and good damage.
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Aluminum Fail
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Posted - 2009.08.14 17:49:00 -
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I was fugging around with a a pvp laser ishtar and came up with this:
[Ishtar, Pulstar mk1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Ogre II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Not sure if this is viable, but I am the king of putting lasers on gallente ships. Not sure if I would be better off armour tanking and getting more ewar outta my mids. DPS is 582 with ogres but that is nothing but EFT warriorship considering I would be more often than not using the hammerheads. Anyone else have a cool pvp pulstar fit?
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.14 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Bazuka I remember when there were daily "Amarr SUX, lasers suck donkey balls!" threads. Now we have nerf lasers threads and a dude putting them on an Ishtar. How things change.
its hilarious
Just waiting for the next thing to come around. In the meantime I'm rounding off the last cruiser 5 with relevant t2 weaponry for my main. Recons/HAC.. yum. All bases covered, screw BS. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
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Moustache Fiend
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:26:00 -
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Yeah I am interested if anyone can come up with a Pulstar fit too. I am weeks away from good blaster skills.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ze4K DK
Originally by: Footoo Rama IDK here... the cap recharge on gallante makes running energy weapons pretty hard, and is it worth getting past the native hybrid bonus, and losing a few slots to increase cap ability on a hybrid fitted ship. I have seen some gallante fitted with projectile weapons that kinda make sense ie passive domi's that have basically no cap recharge, but you are gimping dps for tanking...
Have you actually fitted a passive domi?
Yup and the cap recharge is craptastic.
[Dominix, Passive domi] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Heavy Nosferatu I [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
hammerhead II's Hobgoblin II's Ogres II's
cap regen is a wonderfull 10.4 at peak vs 17.2 with no mods or a sentry fitted dual lar gets 42.8 at peak with 3x CCC 1 pdsII and 2cap recharger II's
So i would say the cap regen blows on a passive fit... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
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