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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Draeklore on 05/08/2009 23:26:16 Hey everyone, I am a 5.6 SP pilot trained mostly in Minmatar ships and I've been using a Maelstrom to run level 4 missions. I've been successful thus far making quite a bit more isk than doing level 3's though completing some missions does take quite a while. My question is, am I better off crosstraining to use Caldari ships (Raven in particular) to run missions in or just continue to work on my Large Projectile and Minnie BS training?
Would take 11 days to get Caldari BS 4 and about 5 more days to get Cruise Missile 4.
EDIT: Also I have my shield and support skills at 4 or 5.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:39:00 -
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Alright thanks for the replies everyone. I believe I will go for it. In the mean time I can keep running missions in the Mael as its pretty safe although pretty slow.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Irdia Freelancer Large missiles are slow. Slow gives less dps. Longer range guns are slower than short range.
I fly amarr so only have amarr ship skills yet. Take an Abaddon in amarr space which fires in under 5 secs doing em/therm vs a missile doing either em or therm which is much slower. A raven may be easy to fly, have choice of damage types, but its rate of fire is comparitively terrible. The Amarrs have the longest range close weapons with the pulse lasers, the blasters are shorter with the autocannons the shortest. On the other side the lasers have the shortest falloff with blasters longer and autocannons the longest. This means I can get away with pulse lasers with no range bonus (or chasing the npc) on the ship easier than say a min using autocannons.
For up close, the min autocannons will out damage artillery. The drawback is they are very short range. Best to get a ship with range bonuses if runing min autocannons. Even runing min artillery I found its not so bad even with no min ship or ship bonuses to artillery.
I do wonder about how a rocket equiped with defenders ship could perform against a raven/golem. It has the ability to fire off quickly as much as 4-5 time in the time a raven fires 1x, ie 1 rocket turret may work well for point defence. Looking at the skills, should still be able to defend up to over 100km. Its something I'll have to try sometime.
So...yes or no on the Raven?
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Soliscout I for my part can say the following...for allround mission running there is nothing better than ships of the raven class, be it a simple raven, or a CNR or even a Golem.
This reasons were described around here enough already, BUT taking the fun factor in account...well there are many other ships that are a lot more fun....basically what you do in missions with a ravenkind ship is
warp in targetmissle awayretarget???profit
there is no movement involced, nor is there anything around angels or optimal range involved...so its pretty damn boring
what I would advise you is to get a ravenkind ship to "farm" money when in need...and keep your other BS for when you want to have some "fun" (as far as this is possible in missions)
That's exactly what I plan to do. The Raven will be to farm L4's and maximize profit but I plan to fly matar for PvP and what not.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
Originally by: Alberico DeSandre Same situation as the opening poster, i'm very comfortable with a navy mega right now in level 4s, doing them pretty fast. I even fly the thing in the AE bonus room and warp out only one time to refit guns.
I just wonder if i'm missing out on something even faster and more efficient. I've got a raven+golem plan set in evemon right now that i'm following. Based on the replies here it seems like it's worth the time, and at the very least it'l get me familiar with a new weapon and ship which will be interesting.
I feel the same as Alberico -- I run a Navy Mega with a 700dps permatank, dishing nearly 1000 dps. No matter how I play with the figures in EFT I can't get a CNR to match this, in both damage output and especially in tank. Yet... Everyone claims the Raven is better and I feel I'm missing out somehow!
So, is it just the ability to change damage types that makes the Raven the ship of choice, or is there something else I'm missing that would make it out perform my Mega?
Cheers, Arrs
It's been said before but EFT numbers do not tell you everything. You can get up to 1000 dps assuming you are always in optimal range and hitting your target. Missiles don't have optimal range and always hit (minus defender missiles of course) so if you compared actual DPS of a Raven with that of your Mega, the Raven may actually end up on top for most missions.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: g0ggalor One of the great things about the raven is that you can choose what damage type you want to do, which is very handy for missions.
Originally by: Irdia Freelancer Large missiles are slow. Slow gives less dps.
RoF is what effects dps, not how fast the missiles are. My cruise launcher fire about every 6.5 seconds. Large arties are around 13 seconds. My missiles travel a lot slower than arty shells, but my dps is better.
Well missile travel time does waste DPS when your target dies and missiles are fired on that target already but even so missiles will out dps projectiles anyway.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tereliss Verr Wow I'm glad I found this thread, I fly Strom and I love it to death, Now here is the but,,,, I need to make iskies likes us all, so hearing that cross training to a Raven is so easy is wondeful news, my question however is this, I have a training plan for the Golem already now is it better to get in a cnr when you can or save the isk and just jump into the Golem when you have your 1.2 to 1.4 billion isk? also I have read that for the golem to shine you need proper torp skills?
Yea if you fly a Mael the only skills you really lack are missile and Caldari BS like me.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:26:00 -
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Except that this thread is crosstrain Raven vs continue training Maelstrom :P Not much interested in flying Gal BS for missions as I would just as soon use the Mael as a Mega :)
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tereliss Verr
Originally by: Draeklore Except that this thread is crosstrain Raven vs continue training Maelstrom :P Not much interested in flying Gal BS for missions as I would just as soon use the Mael as a Mega :)
Hehehe now now, down boy lol
you and I know Maelstroms rule, let's face it clear skies 2, I rest my case and I thankyou lol To be honest though still love the Mael but for quick isk making Raven or CnR seems to be the way to go
Yup that's why I'm training to use a Raven now. I just want something to maximize isk/hr from missioning. It's too bad artillery kinda suck for missions.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2009.08.08 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Loco Eve
Originally by: Draeklore
Originally by: Tereliss Verr
Originally by: Draeklore Except that this thread is crosstrain Raven vs continue training Maelstrom :P Not much interested in flying Gal BS for missions as I would just as soon use the Mael as a Mega :)
Hehehe now now, down boy lol
you and I know Maelstroms rule, let's face it clear skies 2, I rest my case and I thankyou lol To be honest though still love the Mael but for quick isk making Raven or CnR seems to be the way to go
Yup that's why I'm training to use a Raven now. I just want something to maximize isk/hr from missioning. It's too bad artillery kinda suck for missions.
it's your skills that suck. not the guns. sure, raven requires less skills than bs guns. but, after you get higher gun skills they are very dangerous. if you can use t2 arty cannons properly they'll blow away any cnr using missles. main reason being even with a tp fitted. missiles sometime takes longer to kill a frig or cruiser than it does a bs.
Well I've been told otherwise by almost everyone who responded to this thread. Also I've never heard of Maelstrom being more effective than a CNR in missions no matter how many skill points you have. To be honest I think you're just talking out of your ass but please correct me if I am wrong.
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