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Azears
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:56:00 -
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Why CCP decides 2 make cruise missiles and torpedos EXTREMELY crapy?
I wanna c the reasoning behind it.
*feeling sad about being a Caldari player*
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:01:00 -
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Minor question.
Have you ever had a bs vs bs 1v1, with either side being a torp-raven?
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:06:00 -
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Your skills suck, as well as your support (webs, TP, etc.). Missiles with a little of support are the best weapons if we are talking about non-fleet warfare: heavy hitting and good range.
Missiles are fine (except soem stuff like rockets etc.).
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Aranis Nax
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:09:00 -
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frigate missiles are a joke, especially rockets. Cruise missiles are decent(maybe a little low on dps) but don't you dare complain about torps. Torps are VERY PAINFULL against intended targets (aka battleships)
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 23:58:31 Torps are great, cruises just have trouble with flight time on long distances. So yeah either your skills, knowledge or both are poor
Edit: Oh yeah and rockets are epic fail.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:59:00 -
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lol Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe |
Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:14:00 -
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Know what's funny? Minmatar pilots fit missiles on their battleships because they're better than projectiles....
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:22:00 -
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Cruise missiles and Rockets are a bad and useless pvp joke no matter what your support skills are.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo Cruise missiles and Rockets are a bad and useless pvp joke no matter what your support skills are.
Not to disagree, but I think cruise missiles are situational: - Expecting to fight small ****. Consider the post here a couple weeks back by the guy that went out with rigor + cruise and solo WTFpwnt OMS for a couple hours - When you're in a RR Phoon - A cruise phoon outdamages an AC Pest at 20km.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo Know what's funny? Minmatar pilots fit missiles on their battleships because they're better than projectiles....
This.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
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Markesian
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Azears Why CCP decides 2 make cruise missiles and torpedos EXTREMELY crapy?
I wanna c the reasoning behind it.
*feeling sad about being a Caldari player*
Because the Gallente and Minmatars were making really really fast ships ofc. I mean come on, thats SO obvious, you'd have to be blind not to see that lolol
...anyone seen my walking stick?
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ISK Launderer
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Azears Why CCP decides 2 make cruise missiles and torpedos EXTREMELY crapy?
I wanna c the reasoning behind it.
*feeling sad about being a Caldari player*
BECAUSE MISSLES ARE FAIL FOR PVP. CALDARI IS NOT TO BE USED FOR PVP ONLY FOR RUNNING MISSIONS AND DOING CAREBEAR DANCE. THERE IS NO GOOD MISSLE SHIP FOR PVP.
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ISK Launderer
Originally by: Azears Why CCP decides 2 make cruise missiles and torpedos EXTREMELY crapy?
I wanna c the reasoning behind it.
*feeling sad about being a Caldari player*
BECAUSE MISSLES ARE FAIL FOR PVP. CALDARI IS NOT TO BE USED FOR PVP ONLY FOR RUNNING MISSIONS AND DOING CAREBEAR DANCE. THERE IS NO GOOD MISSLE SHIP FOR PVP.
tell that to good HAMDrake pilots and good torpRavens as well.
Tool.
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Aranis Nax
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:40:00 -
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Not to mention Cerberus, Nighthawk, Caracal, Sacrilege...
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arkeladin
Originally by: ISK Launderer
Originally by: Azears Why CCP decides 2 make cruise missiles and torpedos EXTREMELY crapy?
I wanna c the reasoning behind it.
*feeling sad about being a Caldari player*
BECAUSE MISSLES ARE FAIL FOR PVP. CALDARI IS NOT TO BE USED FOR PVP ONLY FOR RUNNING MISSIONS AND DOING CAREBEAR DANCE. THERE IS NO GOOD MISSLE SHIP FOR PVP.
tell that to good HAMDrake pilots and good torpRavens as well.
Tool.
I think maybe you got sarcasm trolled but I'm not sure...? __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri I think maybe you got sarcasm trolled but I'm not sure...?
Nooo, sarcasm on my Eve-O?!
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:43:00 -
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Cruisemissiles are a joke.
I did extensive testing on the testserver before CCP put it on TQ.
And most of the changes to missiles was done not because of game balance, but because of very high pitched whining from the nano people.
Did testing together with a skilled mega pilot with rails and we both where shooting a cruiser.
My max skilled + 3 missile implants was unable to break the cruisers tank. While the mega was breaking the tank with ease, he didnt even have to use all his guns.
The only place where he started to have troubles was when the cruiser was so close that you could easily disrupt it`s flight path and put a web on it or simply neut it.
Even before the missile changes I was on the testserver to see if the whining from people was justified.
We all remember the prediction about the drake becoming the weapon of mass destruction. Well, I fitted an alt up in an inty and got a high skilled drake to try kill me. Yes he also used rigs. And guess what? He couldnt kill me no matter how much he tried. And I just kept him scrambled.
But yeah, missiles where overpowered...
Cruise missiles don't even do full damage on a moving battleship.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:06:00 -
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Cruise missiles are not that good. Only real use now a days are PvE.
Trops smash BSs like no tomorrow.
HM/HAM are good enough.
Lights, meh works on crow, or on an AML cara
Rockets = fail. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 04/08/2009 07:40:56 Confirming missiles are crap, look at the torp-phoon for examp... oh wait.
Well, at least the Tempest with its double-bonused turrets has a slight bit more dps from guns than unbonused missiles.
Can we get some extra missile slots on the Maelstrom please?
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lucifers widow
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer
Cruise missiles don't even do full damage on a moving battleship.
Neither do turrets, what's you're point ?
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Jaskey
Amarr 0beron Construct Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Arkeladin
tell that to good HAMDrake pilots and good torpRavens as well.
Tool.
Think it should be stressed the GOOD part, BS pilots using turrets need millions of sp in gunnery, over 5 mil imo to be decent where in the past a missle spammer could easily get away less than 1 mil and be effective.
Seems most of the problems could be solved or mitigated by proper skilling
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: lucifers widow
Originally by: TZeer
Cruise missiles don't even do full damage on a moving battleship.
Neither do turrets, what's you're point ?
That depends on range and tracking.
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lucifers widow
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:10:00 -
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A turret would not do max damage unless both ships were stationary and right in the optimal which never happens, hell against structures we not always get perfect strikes even then.
Originally by: TZeer
We all remember the prediction about the drake becoming the weapon of mass destruction. Well, I fitted an alt up in an inty and got a high skilled drake to try kill me. Yes he also used rigs. And guess what? He couldnt kill me no matter how much he tried. And I just kept him scrambled.
You should of neuted scrammed and webbed him then set warriors on his ass, been a dead inty then.
Fact is inty is not supposed to get hit by the larger weapons systems unless he really screws up so can't see the imbalance.
Did you do the same against a heavy pulse harb or a similar turret bc ?
I doubt the results would of been much diferent in fact they weren't when we tried it.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: lucifers widow A turret would not do max damage unless both ships were stationary and right in the optimal which never happens, hell against structures we not always get perfect strikes even then.
Originally by: TZeer
We all remember the prediction about the drake becoming the weapon of mass destruction. Well, I fitted an alt up in an inty and got a high skilled drake to try kill me. Yes he also used rigs. And guess what? He couldnt kill me no matter how much he tried. And I just kept him scrambled.
You should of neuted scrammed and webbed him then set warriors on his ass, been a dead inty then.
Fact is inty is not supposed to get hit by the larger weapons systems unless he really screws up so can't see the imbalance.
Did you do the same against a heavy pulse harb or a similar turret bc ?
I doubt the results would of been much diferent in fact they weren't when we tried it.
But turrets could kill the inty if he screws up, missiles cant.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer We all remember the prediction about the drake becoming the weapon of mass destruction. Well, I fitted an alt up in an inty and got a high skilled drake to try kill me. Yes he also used rigs. And guess what? He couldnt kill me no matter how much he tried. And I just kept him scrambled.
Cruise missiles don't even do full damage on a moving battleship.
Both of these statements are wrong.
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Ladett
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 23:58:31 Torps are great, cruises just have trouble with flight time on long distances. So yeah either your skills, knowledge or both are poor
Edit: Oh yeah and rockets are epic fail.
Hmmm.... 257km with cruise missiles in my raven thank you very much,
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ladett
Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/08/2009 23:58:31 Torps are great, cruises just have trouble with flight time on long distances. So yeah either your skills, knowledge or both are poor
Edit: Oh yeah and rockets are epic fail.
Hmmm.... 257km with cruise missiles in my raven thank you very much,
The range itself isn't bad. It's the 20+ second wait before the missiles hit that makes them bad. ________________________________________________ For changes to Minmatar Battleships click here (Now with added summary!) |
Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:15:00 -
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* 'tries' to shoot himself with his artillery cannon.. * ------------------------------------------------ cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :) |
Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:16:00 -
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You guys think cruise missiles are bad? Cruise missiles are fine.
You want to hear a joke?
Large Artillery.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 You guys think cruise missiles are bad? Cruise missiles are fine.
You want to hear a joke?
Large Artillery.
I get it, but its not funny
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