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Saldoro
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2009.06.27 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Saldoro on 27/06/2009 01:51:57
This whine is only directed towards the Amarr and Gallente T3 ships - the Proteus and the Legion. Setup on these ships is pretty much identical being armour tanked.
For me the only reason to fly T3 is for the Nullifier in 0.0 solo roaming. Which also means you need the cloak so locking into fits with these two subsystems:
On the Legion If you fit the Nullifier and Cloak you have no way to get more low slots. The most an Engineering subsystem will get you is 3 and the most a Defensive can get you is 2. The Power Core engineering subsystem however only gives you 2 low slots. So if you want the extra turret that it gives you have to sacrifice a low. Therefore the best layout you can get is 5/5/5 with 4 turrets.
On the Proteus however the Covert subsystem and an Electronic subsystem both give a low each. This means you can fit the extra turret giving Power Core and ALSO have 6 lows. Same setup but the Proteus gives you a mighty 6/3/6 with 5 turrets.
More tank. More gank.
AND to cap it all off - the Covert subsystem on the Proteus gets a turret damage bonus compared to the Legion's turret cap usage. But with 5 mid-slots I can fit 2 medium cap boosters anyway. The Proteus might be gimped in the middle but most would agree that swapping one mid for an extra low slot, turret and damage bonus is sacrifice one can live with.
With an extra Mag Stab in the Proteus' lows it does almost DOUBLE the damage of the Legion when fitting a Cloak and Nullifier. Put in LG Slaves and 2 of the 5% damage implants and it is GOD. Same DPS as a command ship that can warp cloaked and immune to bubbles. It is the perfect example of what T3 should be. The Legion with a gank fit no cloak/no nullifier still does comparable DPS and has comparable tank to the Absolution - no reason to fly such a fit.
Solution: Give the Legion Power Core subsystem an extra low and one less mid in all electronics subsystem. Give the Proteus one more mid in Electronics. Gives the Legion the extra turret and extra low for a 6/4/6 layout with Nullifier and Cloak. Gives the Proteus 6/4/6 too. Proteus still gets the damage bonus to make up for Amarr's crystal win.
T3 should be overpowered for the price and risks in flying it. Up the skill pre-reqs on them too. Advanced Weapons Upgrades V at least. Skill path should more intensive than Command Ships.
Only good thing about T3 is the nullifier and the ability to adjust slot layouts but to be honest the whole class is pretty meh. T3 should do all a recon can do - and more. Do all a HAC can do - and more. Can't make a Pilgrim type Legion as the Neut bonus is just 10% per level compared to Pilgrim's 20% and you have no drones. If CCP doesn't buff them then wormhole exploration won't be used as much. Hoping this class gets significantly buffed because at over a bill for a PVP ship that has a significant risk in flying it is just not going to be used. With T2 BS for example they are only used by the carebear class where there is no risk and owners have isk to burn as the ship makes them their isk.
T3 is a PVP ship that needs more incentive to fly in PVP. My Proteus vs Legion is just an example of imbalance amongst the class but apart from that the whole class needs more flexibilty. ---- Disco Biscuits, Baby!
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.27 01:56:00 -
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Proteus is also hideously imbalanced because it can field drones no matter what set-up. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Coriander Rinne
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.27 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Saldoro
For me the only reason to fly T3 is for the Nullifier in 0.0 solo roaming. Which also means you need the cloak so locking into fits with these two subsystems:
Aww.
Hims wants his solopwnmobile? Wants his freeganks? Hims wants his freeganks?
Hims wants his complete disregard for countless other ways to fit the ship because hims wants his freeganks?
Hims wants his never considered that these ships aren't and weren't ever supposed to be superior versions of recons and HACs all rolled into one?
No, hims don't like tradeoffs. Does he? Does he? |
Tranquil Vengence
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Posted - 2009.06.27 03:51:00 -
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Um, no, its cool right now. Leave it alone plz. Oh yeah, maybe you should consider a different subsystem setup, the whole "This ship isn't exactly uber in every way I want it" to be is called balance, the t3 galente basically makes up for the woefully useless covops galente ships, at 8 times the price tag. The Amarr 3 is just as uber with other setups and uses, you just have to give up your unhealthy obsession with cloaking devices and actually make a strategic fitting with your strategic cruiser ;) |
MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.06.27 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: MalVortex on 27/06/2009 04:40:28 No, Saldoro is basically correct. I don't have time to dissect his proposed answer, but the Legion vs. Proteus comparison is right on the money. The legion easily winds up with more mids than lows, despite not having any midslot EWAR bonuses at all, and massively dedicated to armor tanking. The legion's covert configuration not only leaves it with only slightly more HP than a pilgrim (40k EHP), but a laser pilgrim can beat it on DPS at the same time (306dps) (on top of having a massive spare dronebay and costing only 100mil to replace).
The Cloaking proteus, on the other hand, puts out around 150more DPS than the covert legion, and has some 115k EHP whilst bubble immune (pure T2). On top of it all, it has a 25/100 dronebay, which means it can actually solo and not get permanently screwed by the first interceptor to lock it. Extra space allows for 5x hobgoblins, 5x warriors, 5x vespa-300s, and another spare set for whatever set of those you like the most. The Proteus does not have fitting or cap problems, unlike the legion.
Its massively screwed. Every +midslot on the legion should so blatantly be a lowslot that it begs how it made it through QA.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.27 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 27/06/2009 04:52:15 Who cares if the Proteus covops has more lows?
1) Mids are better than lows. (hint: even if you don't shield tank it, TDs and cap boosters are your friends)
2) Every OTHER Legion setup is vastly better than the Proteus. Stop acting like the covops/nullifier setup is the only T3 setup in the game.
3) EFT dps is not the only relevant stat. The Proteus only has that dps advantage at point-blank range with zero transversal, once you include range and tracking, the Legion ends up putting more damage on the target in the majority of possible situations. |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.27 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 27/06/2009 04:55:42 The problem with the legion imo isn't that it's bad, but that it's only barely better than a zealot. And the curse subs are just fail. |
MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.06.27 05:09:00 -
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Who cares if the Proteus covops has more lows? 1) Mids are better than lows. (hint: even if you don't shield tank it, TDs and cap boosters are your friends)
Not when your limited to four lows, no. Those lows need to cover your armor tank, hopefully some way to regenerate that armor, and your heatsinks. protip: Four lows isn't enough for all of that. Espically not when a laser pilgrim has similar buffer and similar damage, except it carries drones and not a T3 pricetag.
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2) Every OTHER Legion setup is vastly better than the Proteus. Stop acting like the covops/nullifier setup is the only T3 setup in the game.
Every other legion fit is one of these: 1) A very expensive absolution, with 10km more on your scorch range but no drones. 2) A very expensive drake, but with worse buffer and no drones. 3) A very expensive pilgrim, but with half the neuting power and worse drones.
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3) EFT dps is not the only relevant stat. The Proteus only has that dps advantage at point-blank range with zero transversal, once you include range and tracking, the Legion ends up putting more damage on the target in the majority of possible situations.
You have a covert-ops cloak. You know when you decloak? when you bump the target and drop cloak from 2km activation range. With the ability to absolutely chose your fights (immune to bubbles), your optimal range means jack-squat. A covert legion can plink you with scorch at 20km if he wanted to (with worse DPS than a laser-thorax), but you have no drone bay, so you are completley screwed the moment something lands on you at close range, or is too fast for your guns to track. Thats not exactly a good solo ship. If you want a cloaking nano-cruiser gang, get an ONI and put an improved cloak on it. It will dramatically outdamage a cloaking legion whilst having better buffer and supperior anti-tackle options. Sure, there are some slight power gains (especially in buffer vs. comparable zealot fits), but those gains aren't worthy of a whole new ship class, and are vastly inferior to the power gains of other T3 ships.
But your right, the 115k EHP 450dps 25/100 dronebay, covert cloaking, bubble immune proteus is not power inflation and is balanced vs. the legion. What was I thinking?
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Tranquil Vengence
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:03:00 -
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oh my, I think weve found the only thread on the internet with people complaining about Amarr ships. I can really see where, oh wait, no I cant. Amarr weaponry is completely out of balance, so what do Amarr pilots do? Complain they cant cloak a HAC too. No it isn't out of balance, nerf the hell out of lazers then we can talk about your tier 3 setup. |
Peon'c
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Peon''c on 27/06/2009 08:11:52 Edited by: Peon''c on 27/06/2009 08:11:24 I thought all the other strategic cruisers that aren't Proteus come short on gank and tank (while still doing everything else) if compared to it.
As for upping requirements or making them more pwn, no. They're not looking to repeat the T2 BS situation described in OP, they're trying to make the ships accessible. Lowering the risk, not upping reward further. They just about should be able to cover T3 recon and HAC roles - but not at the same time. If CPP decides to change anything this soon, expect Proteus nerf instead.
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Zenhexzen
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Proteus is also hideously imbalanced because it can field drones no matter what set-up.
It's gallente, it should be fielding drones, removing it would be like removing e-war from caldari. |
Zenhexzen
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Proteus is also hideously imbalanced because it can field drones no matter what set-up.
It's gallente, it should be fielding drones, removing it would be like removing e-war from caldari. |
Bazman
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Proteus is also hideously imbalanced because it can field drones no matter what set-up.
Wat
Only 3 subsystems give drone bay and bandwidth. The Offensive Drone Synthesis. Hybrid Propulsion Armature and the Engineering Augmented Cap Reservior.
With a covert reconfig the max drone bandwidth you can have is 25mb with 100 drone bay by using the Aug Cap engineering sub.
I don't know about you but thinking 5 light drone's is a major advantage is pretty silly given that to get those drones with a covert setup you can't use the vastly OP Power Core Multiplier sub, meaning you lose something stupid like 440 grid and a turret slot.
/me wanted a cloaky drone boat *is not going to happen* |
Saldoro
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:47:00 -
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I haven't yet heard an argument to counter mine. Except someone said that tracking disrupters were my friend and that just made smile.
I've been flying the Legion a lot. I can fly every Amarr ship with max skills and can solo, fleet, small gang, whatever. I just can't understand what role this class fits except to be a solo pwnmobile. The thing costs an arm and a leg and if you die you lose SP. Why would I field an Abso type Legion when the Abso does more DPS? For the extra range? Got the Zealot for that. And all are at least 10 times cheaper.
By the way, Amarr sucked for so long and it's only in the last 18 months that we've been able to enjoy ships that are as good or sometimes better than other races. The fact that the Proteus makes up for the other crap Gallente ships is neither here nor there. These are the only ships that can fit Nullifiers so comparing fits between the Legion and Proteus that feature the Nullifier and of course the cloak is completely valid.
The T2 BS has a role - a carebearing ship. The T3 with it's ability to warp cloaked and be immune to bubbles whilst dealing damage leans it towards being a deep cover HAC-Recon. Being so expensive and with its in-built risks it's a ship where you need to select your fights hence flying in a gang with a leeroy FC is probably not a good idea.
And in this role, with Amarr and Gallente being armour tanked damage dealers the Proteus is just way ahead of the Legion. ---- Disco Biscuits, Baby!
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Saldoro I haven't yet heard an argument to counter mine. Except someone said that tracking disrupters were my friend and that just made smile.
Hint: look at the dps graphs for an orbit at 20-25km with a tracking disruptor or two (with appropriate script) on the target. The Proteus may have more HP, but the Legion has to tank a lot less incoming dps.
Quote: Why would I field an Abso type Legion when the Abso does more DPS? For the extra range? Got the Zealot for that. And all are at least 10 times cheaper.
Hint to the clueless: read the patch notes. The current extreme prices of T3 ships are not intended, and are going to be fixed in the near future. Intended price is around 300 mil.
Hint to the clueless, part II: The Absolution may have a bit more dps, but the Legion has vastly better speed and 50% more range. Asking why you'd use a Legion is like asking why you'd use a Harbinger over a Zealot, when the Harbinger has more dps.
Quote: These are the only ships that can fit Nullifiers so comparing fits between the Legion and Proteus that feature the Nullifier and of course the cloak is completely valid.
I repeat: who cares if the Proteus has one setup that is better than the Legion (even if it does, which is arguable) when every single other setup for the Proteus is inferior by a huge margin.
Quote: The T2 BS has a role - a carebearing ship. The T3 with it's ability to warp cloaked and be immune to bubbles whilst dealing damage leans it towards being a deep cover HAC-Recon. Being so expensive and with its in-built risks it's a ship where you need to select your fights hence flying in a gang with a leeroy FC is probably not a good idea.
Hint: bubble immunity is highly overrated if you have a proper scout.
Hint: T3 ships are awesome because they're improved HACs. If you actually flew HACs solo and in small HAC/recon gangs, you would understand very clearly why the Legion and T3 ships in general are so amazing.
Quote: And in this role, with Amarr and Gallente being armour tanked damage dealers the Proteus is just way ahead of the Legion.
Get this absurd assumption out of your head. Amarr are shield tankers, not armor tankers. Only the battleships and a couple of support ships (Devoter and Damnation) armor tank, the rest of them are shield tankers. |
Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
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protip: Four lows isn't enough for all of that.
Welcome to the world of PVP Caldari. :) |
TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Proteus is also hideously imbalanced because it can field drones no matter what set-up.
God forbid a drone race having drones if they want. I would like minmatar t3 to have more drones though.
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M Blanc
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Posted - 2009.06.27 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: MalVortex
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protip: Four lows isn't enough for all of that.
Welcome to the world of PVP Caldari. :)
I too use my lowslots for shield tanking.
Also, unless EFT is lying to me, the cloaky Proteus doesn't actually get a drone bay.
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Saldoro
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2009.06.28 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Saldoro on 28/06/2009 04:13:48
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Lots of newbie waffle
You are pretty dumb. Lots of hints and calling me clueless. Who's your main?
Quote: Hint: look at the dps graphs for an orbit at 20-25km with a tracking disruptor or two (with appropriate script) on the target. The Proteus may have more HP, but the Legion has to tank a lot less incoming dps.
Yea, those tracking disruptors work really well on the Ravens I solo every day.
Quote: Hint to the clueless: read the patch notes. The current extreme prices of T3 ships are not intended, and are going to be fixed in the near future. Intended price is around 300 mil.
LOL, doesn't help what the intended price was or is. Right now it costs over a bill.
Quote: Hint to the clueless, part II: The Absolution may have a bit more dps, but the Legion has vastly better speed and 50% more range. Asking why you'd use a Legion is like asking why you'd use a Harbinger over a Zealot, when the Harbinger has more dps.
Vastly better speed? 50% more range? Firstly it's not enough speed to make a difference in PVP. Secondly 30km over 20km for Pulse is meaningless. You obviously don't PVP very much (no, don't try and argue the point) because you obvuously aren't aware of why the Zealot is king of HACs right now.
Quote: I repeat: who cares if the Proteus has one setup that is better than the Legion (even if it does, which is arguable) when every single other setup for the Proteus is inferior by a huge margin.
And I repeat, I care. It's not one setup. It's a setup using a mod that only this ship can fit. And the Proteus is not "arguably" better. It is better.
Quote: Hint: bubble immunity is highly overrated if you have a proper scout.
Hint, stop being a moron. I'm talking about solo roaming when fitting a Nullifier. Why else would you fit one?
Quote: Hint: T3 ships are awesome because they're improved HACs. If you actually flew HACs solo and in small HAC/recon gangs, you would understand very clearly why the Legion and T3 ships in general are so amazing.
Wow, so many hints. Do you know what a hint is? Show me a kill you've had with a Legion since you know so much.
While this thread did touch on the limitations of T3 it is mainly about Legion vs Proteus while fitting cloak and nullifiers and the Proteus is way ahead.
Quote: Get this absurd assumption out of your head. Amarr are shield tankers, not armor tankers. Only the battleships and a couple of support ships (Devoter and Damnation) armor tank, the rest of them are shield tankers.
And here we have it ladies and gents. Amarr are after all - shield tankers. Let me get my shield tanked Absolution, my shield tanked Zealot, my shield tanked Sacrilege, my shield tanked Pilgrim, my shield tanked Harninger, my shield tanked Rev, my shield tanked Archon. Why oh why did I waste 5m SP on Mechanic? Damn CCP for adding armour subsystems to the Legion! What were they thinking! They should have added shield subsystems!
It all makes sense now. |
MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.06.28 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Saldoro
And here we have it ladies and gents. Amarr are after all - shield tankers. Let me get my shield tanked Absolution, my shield tanked Zealot, my shield tanked Sacrilege, my shield tanked Pilgrim, my shield tanked Harninger, my shield tanked Rev, my shield tanked Archon. Why oh why did I waste 5m SP on Mechanic? Damn CCP for adding armour subsystems to the Legion! What were they thinking! They should have added shield subsystems!
It all makes sense now.
Giving it a shield subsystem would make the legion's midslot/lowslot arrangement make sense at least
As for merin's argument, thats pretty dumb, and thats coming from the guy with "I take shield amarr" in his corp tagline. The harbinger can do a great nano-shield tank fit, but that is due to its low/mid arrangement (another low would realllyyyy help for armor harbs). The zealot isn't a great tanker no matter how you fit it, so LSE buffer fits are still fairly common. The curse shield tanks (armor tanks don't even work on it with slaves) but the pilgrim doesn't. Thats it, the complete list of amarr shield tankers. The ONI could technically go either way I guess, but is highly biased to armor fits. Every. Other. Amarr. Ship. armor tanks.
The truly sad part is? Shield tanking a cloaking legion makes a sick sort of sense, given the ******ed amount of lows you have to work with. The base +50% armor HP subsystem begs to differ though, and even with LSEs and hardeners, 40+% of your total EHP is on that unmodded armor.
Whatever. Its ******ed meme-centric posts like this thread is showing off that makes me hate EVE-O. Continue with the Amarr is loltastic overpowered harping. Apparently pulse lasers are so good, they make terrible ships better than awesome ones. |
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hobo deluxe
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Posted - 2009.06.28 09:01:00 -
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Quote: Get this absurd assumption out of your head. Amarr are shield tankers, not armor tankers. Only the battleships and a couple of support ships (Devoter and Damnation) armor tank, the rest of them are shield tankers.
This isnt simply screwing your credibility its shooting it in the head and then burning it.
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Dristra
Amarr Idle Haven
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Posted - 2009.06.28 10:21:00 -
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Guess we can just pack this thread down now. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.28 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2009 10:39:39
Originally by: Saldoro This whine is only directed towards the Amarr and Gallente T3 ships - the Proteus and the Legion. Setup on these ships is pretty much identical being armour tanked.
Let's stop right there.
What about these ships make them armour tankers? The fact that they're Amarr and Gallente? Now, you do know that there are numerous ships from both those races that work far better as shield tankers than using armour…
It's the slot layout and ship purpose that determines what kind of tank you want — not the race the ship belongs to. If you narrowmindedly think that race dictates tanking type, you are forever doomed to use sub-par cookie-cutter setups that everyone and their dog can predict and counteract. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.06.28 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Saldoro This whine is only directed towards the Amarr and Gallente T3 ships - the Proteus and the Legion. Setup on these ships is pretty much identical being armour tanked.
Let's stop right there.
What about these ships make them armour tankers? The fact that they're Amarr and Gallente? Now, you do know that there are numerous ships from both those races that work far better as shield tankers than using armourą
I'm going to go with the part where they have dedicated subsystems to armor tanking. Call it a shot in the dark.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.28 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
Originally by: Saldoro
And here we have it ladies and gents. Amarr are after all - shield tankers. Let me get my shield tanked Absolution, my shield tanked Zealot, my shield tanked Sacrilege, my shield tanked Pilgrim, my shield tanked Harninger, my shield tanked Rev, my shield tanked Archon. Why oh why did I waste 5m SP on Mechanic? Damn CCP for adding armour subsystems to the Legion! What were they thinking! They should have added shield subsystems!
It all makes sense now.
Giving it a shield subsystem would make the legion's midslot/lowslot arrangement make sense at least
As for merin's argument, thats pretty dumb, and thats coming from the guy with "I take shield amarr" in his corp tagline. The harbinger can do a great nano-shield tank fit, but that is due to its low/mid arrangement (another low would realllyyyy help for armor harbs). The zealot isn't a great tanker no matter how you fit it, so LSE buffer fits are still fairly common. The curse shield tanks (armor tanks don't even work on it with slaves) but the pilgrim doesn't. Thats it, the complete list of amarr shield tankers. The ONI could technically go either way I guess, but is highly biased to armor fits. Every. Other. Amarr. Ship. armor tanks.
The truly sad part is? Shield tanking a cloaking legion makes a sick sort of sense, given the ******ed amount of lows you have to work with. The base +50% armor HP subsystem begs to differ though, and even with LSEs and hardeners, 40+% of your total EHP is on that unmodded armor.
Whatever. Its ******ed meme-centric posts like this thread is showing off that makes me hate EVE-O. Continue with the Amarr is loltastic overpowered harping. Apparently pulse lasers are so good, they make terrible ships better than awesome ones.
After the Zealot, Harb, Curse, and shiled-tanked-noob-gank-Pilgim (cool pirate ship, but not useful in any sort of "real" PvP) there is not many Amarr ships I would consider flying, their only T1 cruiser worth a look is the Arbitrator, and even then I'd fly something more useful. So shiled tanking Amarr is not such a weird thing to do, depending on your intentions in PvP, and with the stat of pulse lasers that is for me speed and 20km engagements. shiled let me have this speed, tho Amarr have precious few mid slots to work with.
Now, on BS level, its armor tank ftw, as is capital.
All in all I would not say amarr is primary shiled tankers, but a few of their good ships can pull it of, certanly.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.28 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/06/2009 10:55:00
Originally by: MalVortex
Originally by: Tippia What about these ships make them armour tankers?
I'm going to go with the part where they have dedicated subsystems to armor tanking. Call it a shot in the dark.
…and are those used in the setups he's describing? If so, why? If a setup using the two required subsystems restricts the ability to fit armour tanking modules, why would you be so stupid as to waste fitting slots on subsystems that won't be useful? |
Juria Isakeen
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Saldoro Amarr are after all - shield tankers.
/me shield-tanks an Retribution |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:08:00 -
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Because if you don't you'll have almost the same tank as a lowly T1 cruiser, which isn't what you'd want? Shield tanked T3 Legion has a gaping EM/therm hole, sure it's explosive is high but that's about it.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Pac SubCom
A.W.M
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:42:00 -
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Well, in Merin's world there is only one way, and that's his way. Everything else is clueless.
That said however, it depends on how you use your Amarrian ships. A shield tanking fast Amarr can fly away from an armor tanking Amarr any time if the combined dps of the gang can't overwhelm the armor tank in time, and come back later. Amarrian speedhacs are quicker than everything but Vagabonds (Frigs etc. are not relevant in Merin's world since ships below cruiser size "instapop" anyway).
In addition, shield tanking Amarrian HACs have comparable EHP to the cookie Vagabond, just more of it is in armor hp.
Ships other than HACs or Recons are not really on Merin's radar since they are not as useful for roaming, and might as well not exist. That's why Amarr are shield tankers. --------------- ∞ TQFE
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Grimpak
Gallente Clubs and Diamonds
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:51:00 -
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even considering that I say that T3 is not that great, I must say that this thread has a "I bought 10 bucks for 20 bucks and now I can't get my bling-bling!" feeling. |
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