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Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:32:00 -
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Years ago as I was shuffling through games, some easy and some mindbogglingly difficult to learn and for those I always remembered a chart.
http://www.freeallegiance.org/FAW/index.php/File:Learning_curves.JPG
EvE for the longest time has been claimed to be the toughest MMO to learn and get a grip on out there, not just by the players but even those that just watched the gameplay, saw the complex array of skills you could learn and, being an MMO, the massive timesink all this required.
Ignore the names on the bottom of the screen for a moment and even with all the "streamlining" that CCP has done to make the game more accessable, is it still the most difficult to grasp out there? I came here sometime in 2011, Incarna and while it's not easy by any means, I'm still able to learn simple concepts and apply them to my daily EvE life.
What I'm trying to ask is, has EvE catered too much to the "Casual" player and thus became easier to get your start in the world, compared to say, what the release was? |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
81
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:34:00 -
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It's not a puzzle with ony 3 pieces, but then that would not be fun would it? I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
313
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:38:00 -
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Ah, memories. |
Jonah Gravenstein
295
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:41:00 -
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I wouldn't say that it's become to easy, the learning cliff is still there and Eve still has the reputation of being a hardcore MMO. The thing with Eve is that it has depth, strategy, long term goals and suchlike to aim for, the quick running a few "dungeons" with some friends type of gameplay works but to really "get" the game you have to be prepared to spend time in it. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
371
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:45:00 -
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No, EVE is still steep as ever. Those of us that have been around a while 'get it', but I have friends that try it and think I'm crazy. If you can get over the initial train wreck of a start (which is a little better now than when I started) you can see it more clearly, but yeah, that cliff is still there. The Unified Inventory system for Inferno, which I would recommend everybody tryon SiSi, is going to be the next 'Door' for CCP. What it adds is worthless when we lose so much functionality.-á |
Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
53
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:50:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:No, EVE is still steep as ever. Those of us that have been around a while 'get it', but I have friends that try it and think I'm crazy. If you can get over the initial train wreck of a start (which is a little better now than when I started) you can see it more clearly, but yeah, that cliff is still there.
I figured that it was and I've been through quite a few MMOs "Themeparks" but you get the idea, most of them complain about "dumbing" down the game for newer players and I'm a little surprised you don't see that here and it makes the game stand out.
I think if you get outside of the EvE community it's generally thought of as a game that takes bored executives at a company to play and all about spreadsheets. ( Mhmm..spreadsheets.) It's funny in a way, looking back at it now and I hope the game stays like this, difficult not just because of the mechanics in place but of players as well. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
41
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Posted - 2012.05.19 01:05:00 -
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Hi-sec PvE missioning, mining, "low-grade" craft is now streamlined thanks to tutorials. Other EVE activities (PvP, scam, trade, t2 craft, incursions, exploration, wormholes, planets interaction) are still "un-intuitive" and somewhat hard to get into unless you are super-motivated and not-so-casual player with EVE affection. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
765
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Posted - 2012.05.19 01:13:00 -
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It is only in the most brutal environment that I feel like I can realize my potential. Currently, there is no game that even approaches what you can do in eve. Commitment level is only determined by the specifics of how you reap other players. I've been playing casually (that may change soon) and I feel like I do great at medium scale. If I am afforded the opportunity to play more I actually want to take it to a smaller scale and savor the chaos. Eve is definitely the meanest around.
That said, it can also be the nicest, given you have the opportunity to form infinitely large organizations of friends. Ultimately the whole good/bad thing doesn't enter it. You can do more in eve period.
/my2isk
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1154
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Posted - 2012.05.19 02:41:00 -
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define "mean"
all multiplayer games have some degree of meanness
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:13:00 -
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What sets this game apart is the depth.
For a much meaner game. Try Diablo 2 hardcore mode. Now that will make you throw your computer out the window and look for a high vantage point I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
785
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:14:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:What sets this game apart is the depth.
For a much meaner game. Try Diablo 2 hardcore mode. Now that will make you throw your computer out the window and look for a high vantage point Let's NOT make jokes about what people do when their hulks get blown up.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:43:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:No, EVE is still steep as ever. Those of us that have been around a while 'get it', but I have friends that try it and think I'm crazy. If you can get over the initial train wreck of a start (which is a little better now than when I started) you can see it more clearly, but yeah, that cliff is still there.
When I started there was a 30 minute tutorial that showed you how to undock and fire your weapons then threw you into the real Eve |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
766
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Posted - 2012.05.19 05:19:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:MadMuppet wrote:No, EVE is still steep as ever. Those of us that have been around a while 'get it', but I have friends that try it and think I'm crazy. If you can get over the initial train wreck of a start (which is a little better now than when I started) you can see it more clearly, but yeah, that cliff is still there. When I started there was a 30 minute tutorial that showed you how to undock and fire your weapons then threw you into the real Eve Yah. When I could finally fly a cruiser I got a caracal and pimped it with arablast launchers. 10 minutes after going into low sec for the first time I was in a f***ing pod. The cliff is still there...
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Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.19 06:23:00 -
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While you were gone we all got better at being Evil Sick Sadistic Bastards, so yes were still the meanest people out there in terms of MMO's.
And the learning curve is still there, we like to keep it there for ol time sake, though we are now using a T2 bulldozer with resists to screams of pain and agony so the guy driving it can still hear after his shift. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.05.19 06:59:00 -
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EVE becoming 'easier' is not only the fault of CCP, but players themselves as well. Tools like public killboards and sites that track corporations and players, make gathering intel laughably easy for example. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
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Posted - 2012.05.19 07:40:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:While you were gone we all got better at being Evil Sick Sadistic Bastards, so yes were still the meanest people out there in terms of MMO's.
And the learning curve is still there, we like to keep it there for ol time sake, though we are now using a T2 bulldozer with resists to screams of pain and agony so the guy driving it can still hear after his shift.
We've got a cov ops scout on every approach, btw, with cloaked dictors ready to bubble you soon as you try to run. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:47:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:MadMuppet wrote:No, EVE is still steep as ever. Those of us that have been around a while 'get it', but I have friends that try it and think I'm crazy. If you can get over the initial train wreck of a start (which is a little better now than when I started) you can see it more clearly, but yeah, that cliff is still there. When I started there was a 30 minute tutorial that showed you how to undock and fire your weapons then threw you into the real Eve They teach you to undock and shoot things.
I mean what about mining? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1017
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Posted - 2012.05.19 11:27:00 -
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It's easier to make a reasonable amount of money as a newbie than when I started, since you can now earn a pretty decent base rate without leaving high sec. But making billions in a day still takes some srs bizness effort.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.19 14:47:00 -
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EVE never was "the meanest" MMO around.
Try playing Darkfall Online for an example of a MMO that is "meaner" than EVE - the game sucks in several ways and is pretty depopulated these days but its design does make EVE look like Hello Kitty Online (think EVE with a skill-oriented combat system, without high-sec and without overview/scanner) |
Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.19 15:16:00 -
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Eve promotes communism |
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Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
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Posted - 2012.05.19 15:59:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:Eve promotes communism
I CONCUR. |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:06:00 -
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I've hopped on and off this game alot since 2007, aside from never-ending balance games and some big (pita) sov mechanic changes the game seems more or less the same, only the tactics change. The recent UI improvements make the game alot more functional and responsive than before, but it don't feel it really makes learning the game much easier and certainly doesn't help one master it. It only gets easier everytime I come back because I've done it before. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:17:00 -
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EVE is the "hardest" MMO to get used to, but it really isn't that difficult if you keep an open mind, take advice where it's given, and be cautious in your first month. Being a harder game to learn than other MMOs just means the difficulty is turned up to, at the least, Medium. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
468
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:55:00 -
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This wins The Most Posted JPEG Award - not just for EVE, but for the entire history of the internet. Yay. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
baltec1
1176
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:06:00 -
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5000 dead miners would say this is still the most twisted hive of scum and hardship around. |
Reachok
Full Circle Research Corporation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:12:00 -
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Title said meanest. Yes. Hardest, that robot game may give it some competition.
The bad guys went the other way, seriously.... |
Jayem See
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:27:00 -
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I don't think it's particularly harsh if you have half a brain-cell.
Big? Yes. Daunting? Yes. Difficult - not so sure. I've turned my hand at a few different professions and come out ok. That said, I have never really excelled either.
So maybe it's difficult to be "great" at - to achieve modest success and enjoy it is not so hard.
I suppose it comes down to commitment and time. As with anything, what you put in, you get out. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Euthen Arran
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:00:00 -
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Complex game, but not particularly hard to pick up. Certainly not the hardest game to play (skill-wise). Personally I find the user interface the biggest block - compared to other games it's unreasonably clunky and having most of your screen filled up with windows rather than the game world is silly and not imersive. |
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