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oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.05.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 23/05/2009 23:49:53 Blasters are totally fine.
If there is something that need to be looked at / changed / boosted, it's Artilleries and maybe Autocannons. Or maybe the tracking formula only.
By looking at numbers only is a stupid way to find out how the weapons works. Try using them / testing them against all kind of ships and then see how the weapons are working.
I can say right now that Artilleries or Autocannons is in need of a boost waaaaaaaaay way before Blasters even need to be looked at.
Just because projectiles are worse than blasters doesnt mean blasters are fine. Perhaps they are great when compared to projectiles, but that doesnt mean they arent completely inferior to lasers. x |
oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.05.24 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 10:47:43
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 23/05/2009 23:49:53 Blasters are totally fine.
If there is something that need to be looked at / changed / boosted, it's Artilleries and maybe Autocannons. Or maybe the tracking formula only.
By looking at numbers only is a stupid way to find out how the weapons works. Try using them / testing them against all kind of ships and then see how the weapons are working.
I can say right now that Artilleries or Autocannons is in need of a boost waaaaaaaaay way before Blasters even need to be looked at.
Just because projectiles are worse than blasters doesnt mean blasters are fine. Perhaps they are great when compared to projectiles, but that doesnt mean they arent completely inferior to lasers.
Blasters are fine. The problems you are thinking of most likely are in the tracking formula. Or the issues are in the players it self tbqh.
I see no problems with the highest DPS, shortest range weapon type in EVE.
But i would still like to see the web strenght boosted to 70%, because that would be better than boosting the tracking on Blasters.
But still, i have no issues at all with Blasters, so that's not really needed.
What problems am i thinking of? Im thinking of a serious balancing issues that has nothing to do with tracking. Why on earth would i use blasters when i can use pulse lasers which provide 92% of the DPS with three times the optimal range? AND the ability to switch to long range ammo which allows you to hit out to 45km instead of 11km with Null.
Noone in the right mind will chose a marginal damage increase over a much greater range and far superior flexibility. x |
oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.05.24 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 11:25:50
Originally by: oniplE What problems am i thinking of? Im thinking of a serious balancing issues that has nothing to do with tracking. Why on earth would i use blasters when i can use pulse lasers which provide 92% of the DPS with three times the optimal range? AND the ability to switch to long range ammo which allows you to hit out to 45km instead of 11km with Null.
Noone in the right mind will chose a marginal damage increase over a much greater range and far superior flexibility.
Yeah until you get a Cruiser / Battlecruiser to orbit you at 2-3 km, then your in troubles if your alone.
Anyways, by the numbers you are showing from how Lasers are over, clearly shows that a weapon type are in need of a nerf instead of a weapon type to get boosted.
Let me say this to you. The tracking boost Lasers got some time ago was so they could hit HAC's better because they was so fast.
Now when the speed is nerfed a bit, the tracking Lasers got should be taken away, because just face it. If the HAC's haven't been so fast that time Lasers got the tracking boost, then the Lasers wouldn't get the tracking boost at all.
So today, the tracking boost Lasers got should be taken away. Because the tracking boost Lasers got that time is making the Lasers overpowered today.
Nerf lasers or boost hybrids/projectiles, either of those options is fine with me. And yes, blasters are better when you have a cruiser orbiting you @ 3km. But i'd still prefer the characteristics of lasers. x |
oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.05.24 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vecila I agree with the op, my pulses arn't big enough and require oversized variants
Really though, laser cap dependence is frequently ignored, and the solution of simply increasing damage output does not solve either problem nor does it sort the buffer tanking we've the past years since the hp buff. Increasing the effectiveness of active tanking again would work wonders but ccp already backed out of that with the deimos last year, the only blaster boat without a rep bonus actually got on on sisi and they pulled it before it went live. There are two sides to each coin and the op seems blinded by the shiny side
Although, i don't imagine arty users would complain if say, their clip size were doubled
The deimos had a low slot removed, a mid slot added and a armor rep bonus. At the time i tested the "new" deimos and its active tank was actually a bit less strong than the regular deimos. Due to the fact that one low slot was removed, you missed out on some resists given by an extra EANM. x |
oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.06.02 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please attempt to come up with a consensus opinion or recommendations for developers to move forward, otherwise this is just a waste of time for all concerned.
We cant realistically come to a community consensus on what specifically needs to be changed to re-balance weapons systems.
We are not in full possession of the same Data CCP employees are.
What we can do is point out the imbalance in the current divisions between weapons systems and roles.
This process requires that Devs read the thread in depth, rather than skim it looking for 'community consensus'
I would be happy with a troll free discussion culminating in a round up of the issues rather than a lock
Sigh, sarcasm!
Any conclusion on the issues at hand will instantly be disputed by dozens of people. There will be no consensus, no agreement. Only trolling. Now go fix blasters cuz it will take me months to cross train to lasers. x |
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