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FBI Partyvan
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Posted - 2009.04.29 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: FBI Partyvan on 29/04/2009 13:02:57 So I currently Mine on two accounts and i was thinking about training one of my characters to an orca and then just mining with my hulk/orca for the extra bonuses but would i need an extra hauler or could i just haul back with the orca?
Also i had a second question on evemon it says the Mining Foreman skill is 75k ISK but at every trading hub its selling for 600-800k and i dont feel like paying a 400% increase to traders so could anyone tell me where you can get it from the npc's?
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Lexandrius Megens
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: FBI Partyvan Edited by: FBI Partyvan on 29/04/2009 13:02:57 So I currently Mine on two accounts and i was thinking about training one of my characters to an orca and then just mining with my hulk/orca for the extra bonuses but would i need an extra hauler or could i just haul back with the orca?
I think we all have a calculator on our eve, dont we?
Just calculate your yield per cycle with 2 barges and no orca and compare that to your yield per cycle with 1 barge and 1 orca. dont ask some one else to make your calculations lazy ***! Signed,
Lexandrius
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FBI Partyvan
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lexandrius Megens
Originally by: FBI Partyvan Edited by: FBI Partyvan on 29/04/2009 13:02:57 So I currently Mine on two accounts and i was thinking about training one of my characters to an orca and then just mining with my hulk/orca for the extra bonuses but would i need an extra hauler or could i just haul back with the orca?
I think we all have a calculator on our eve, dont we?
Just calculate your yield per cycle with 2 barges and no orca and compare that to your yield per cycle with 1 barge and 1 orca. dont ask some one else to make your calculations lazy ***!
That wasnt my question at all so gg my question is that if i would just use a hulk/orca to mine would i need a hauler to haul back to the station or could i just fill up the cargohold of the orca and bring it back and which would be more efficient
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:40:00 -
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According to other threads I've seen, the Orca can be expanded to a 90m3K capacity.
Since the largest capacity industrial is an Iteron V with all the bells and expanders getting roughly 39m3K, your Orca would double that, cutting your trips to the station in half.
If you're concerned about the Mining Foreman skillbook cost, wait till you look at the Capital Industrial Skillbook: 450,000,000 Isk, more expensive than the Orca itself, which goes for around 400M.
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FBI Partyvan
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ikserak tai According to other threads I've seen, the Orca can be expanded to a 90m3K capacity.
Since the largest capacity industrial is an Iteron V with all the bells and expanders getting roughly 39m3K, your Orca would double that, cutting your trips to the station in half.
If you're concerned about the Mining Foreman skillbook cost, wait till you look at the Capital Industrial Skillbook: 450,000,000 Isk, more expensive than the Orca itself, which goes for around 400M
Im not concerned about the cost I'd rather not give traders a huge profit margin when they bought it for 75K ISK.
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Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:46:00 -
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Most of the prices in EVEMON are outdated imo.
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Kris Kris
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:56:00 -
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can the orca haul...yes. As the previous poster was saying though you should still do the math and addd in flight time to station. both calculations one would be for total ore in one hour with 2 hulks and the other 1 orca 1 hulk i think you would be better off and yield more ore with the 2hulks tbh
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rees Noturana on 29/04/2009 13:58:14 I'm pretty sure the mining foreman and director skill books are only sold by ORE. Feel free to take a trip to one of their stations if you think local prices are too high. Just set your autopilot to 4C-B7X.
Just checked and the foreman is 75K, director is 400K.
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Kusum Fawn
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.29 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 29/04/2009 14:23:29 to answer your question,
1. the orca can haul, 1 hulk + 1 orca, is a less efficient mining combo, but it is insanely more convenient. having the hulk drop ore to the orca's corp bay, and the orca pilot drop the ore in its cargo means you can get around 100km/3 per docking trip, you lose bonuses while the orca docks, but youd lose the bonuses while one of the hulks docks anyways. no jetcans means you dont have to worry about canflippers. -- as to a third account to haul, dont bother, if you are thinking about a third account, make them a hulk, or even better make them the orca pilot, and use the two hulk pilots to mine, you only really need a hauler at 4 hulks, (3 hulks is a squeeze though depending on skills)
2. 2x hulks mines more but requires more docking and management, as you do this already, you know how much attention it needs already.
3. mining bonuses, train the orca anyways, and see how much different it is, i know a few people that actually mine more now with the orca then they did with two hulks, just cause they really only have to watch one hulk, the orca character needs to be checked every 20 minutes or so when the corp hanger is full. since the corp hanger is 40k fixed, figure with one hulk thats (3 strip miners) x cycle time (145 sec with bonus). dont forget about the range bonus from the orca either, a strip miner gets 22km range from a medium skilled orca pilot, so you can sit pretty close to the warp in point and reach everything in the standard belt.
4. Orcas as mini haulers, if you mission or transport goods to markets, but dont have a freighter (or the patience for flying/training one) the nice cargo bay on the orca will make transporting stuff much easier then using itty 5s. they are also much faster then freighters. my corp mates who have orcas have stopped using their freighters for everything except ice, (orca for iceming = win so much win)
really you should have mining foreman at 5 already if you are doing mining, especially if you already have 2 accounts with hulks, but yeah shop around, (the industrial command ships skill book is 45 mil) Meh, |
Elrinarie
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.29 16:08:00 -
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well this may or may not play a factor for you.. but not only calculate the mining yields but calculate the downtime a hauler would have to do to get that ore back to station --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator |
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FBI Partyvan
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Posted - 2009.04.29 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kusum Fawn Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 29/04/2009 14:23:29 to answer your question,
1. the orca can haul, 1 hulk + 1 orca, is a less efficient mining combo, but it is insanely more convenient. having the hulk drop ore to the orca's corp bay, and the orca pilot drop the ore in its cargo means you can get around 100km/3 per docking trip, you lose bonuses while the orca docks, but youd lose the bonuses while one of the hulks docks anyways. no jetcans means you dont have to worry about canflippers. -- as to a third account to haul, dont bother, if you are thinking about a third account, make them a hulk, or even better make them the orca pilot, and use the two hulk pilots to mine, you only really need a hauler at 4 hulks, (3 hulks is a squeeze though depending on skills)
2. 2x hulks mines more but requires more docking and management, as you do this already, you know how much attention it needs already.
3. mining bonuses, train the orca anyways, and see how much different it is, i know a few people that actually mine more now with the orca then they did with two hulks, just cause they really only have to watch one hulk, the orca character needs to be checked every 20 minutes or so when the corp hanger is full. since the corp hanger is 40k fixed, figure with one hulk thats (3 strip miners) x cycle time (145 sec with bonus). dont forget about the range bonus from the orca either, a strip miner gets 22km range from a medium skilled orca pilot, so you can sit pretty close to the warp in point and reach everything in the standard belt.
4. Orcas as mini haulers, if you mission or transport goods to markets, but dont have a freighter (or the patience for flying/training one) the nice cargo bay on the orca will make transporting stuff much easier then using itty 5s. they are also much faster then freighters. my corp mates who have orcas have stopped using their freighters for everything except ice, (orca for iceming = win so much win)
really you should have mining foreman at 5 already if you are doing mining, especially if you already have 2 accounts with hulks, but yeah shop around, (the industrial command ships skill book is 45 mil)
TYVM
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.30 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ta''jek on 30/04/2009 13:59:02 also consider where you are mining. the Hulk/Orca combo would be more efficient when it comes to mining in systems without stations. As for the skill books if you aren't in a big hurry to get it can always try putting out a buy order for it at a reasonable price (considering it has to be brought in from 0.0)
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Malinde
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Posted - 2009.04.30 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ikserak tai Edited by: Ikserak tai on 29/04/2009 14:01:49 According to other threads I've seen, the Orca can be expanded to a 90m3K capacity.
Since the largest capacity industrial is an Iteron V with all the bells and expanders getting roughly 39m3K, your Orca would double that, cutting your trips to the station in half.
Not only this but if you compare it to the Itty V then you have to take in account the fact that the time you spend in that Itty is lost mining time in the hulk!
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.30 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: FBI Partyvan Edited by: FBI Partyvan on 29/04/2009 13:02:57 Also i had a second question on evemon it says the Mining Foreman skill is 75k ISK but at every trading hub its selling for 600-800k and i dont feel like paying a 400% increase to traders so could anyone tell me where you can get it from the npc's?
You go to ORE stations in 0.0 that are camped 23/7 by players ready, willing, and wanting to blow you all to hell.
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Jason C
Caldari ProtoStar Trading
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:55:00 -
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Under normal circumstance I find you get more Ore using two Hulks but the previous poster is right to say it's a lot easier with a Hulk/Orca combo. I set the Orca to maintain 1250 meters and really don't have to mess with it after that. In addition, it does have a roomy drone bay. I carry a full set of T2 Miners that will offset the production loss by a modest amount. I also carry a rack of defensive and repair drones too. Load the ore into the Corp Bay and move it to the Cargo Bay. Fill them both up and you've got a nice load that can be hauled immediately.
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Wardo21
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:58:00 -
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I've got three accounts, two mine in hulks and one flys the orca. When the orca is full, the stashed itty 5 is swapped for one of the hulks to ferry ore to the station.
Fully kitted (tech 2 expanders in lows, Tech 1 rigs) the orca will hold over 120k between the corp and regular cargo holds.
It might not be "optimal", but it sure is convenient.
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Zaldoc
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Posted - 2009.05.02 11:03:00 -
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Thats 3 trips whit the Itty 5,would be faster too just dock the orca and empty it warp back too the 2 hulks..Yes you loose the bonuses when it warps and docks,but they can still mine.
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northwesten
Amarr Honored By Death Vanguard Venture Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.02 11:16:00 -
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If you have 2 accounts I would just Mine with both! then pick it up. Or mine one and hauler with the second account.
I have 4 accounts and I have 3 miners and 4th training for it! That would be worth it. For you I don't think it's worth it unless yo do mining operation.
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Tyrande Invictus
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:45:00 -
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Having the orca granting bonuses and then hauling will probably be much more practical.
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Ironlenny
Minmatar Bittercup LTD Socius Inter Nos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:42:00 -
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Training of the orca is all ways a worthy endeavor. The versatility of the ship more than justifies the time training for it.
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