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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:28:00 -
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Even though lots of people are saying that Caldari sucks for pvp im having a hard time believing in that. So anyone that could post some GOOD Caldari pvp ships?
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Mordican
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:30:00 -
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The Ibis because it is free. |
Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:35:00 -
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Onyx,
Rokh's a pretty good sniper if you aren't in an Apoc.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:39:00 -
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Caracal. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:41:00 -
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Merlin Kestrel Caracal Drake Raven Rokh Scorpion Harpy Manticore Flycatcher Eagle Cerberus Onyx Rook Falcon Basilisk Chimera Wyvern Leviathan
It would have been quicker to ask for the bad ships tbh. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 22/04/2009 15:43:58 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 22/04/2009 15:42:45
Originally by: Gypsio III Merlin Kestrel Caracal Drake Raven Rokh Scorpion Harpy Manticore Flycatcher Eagle Cerberus Onyx Rook Falcon Basilisk Chimera Wyvern Leviathan
It would have been quicker to ask for the bad ships tbh.
This man knows what he is talking about! Only addition to the list I would consider is the Raven (with torpedoes).
EDIT: Bear in mind, Caldari is kinda skill intensive if you want to use the true potential in their ships. But with level 5 fitting skills and level 5 shiled skills thay make mean ships. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/04/2009 15:46:12 Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/04/2009 15:44:49 Raven is in it ;)
Crow can also be added
Edit: And blackbird
Edit2: And ferox (only bc able to seriously reach hac snipers)
It is far easier to stick which ones arent good. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/04/2009 15:46:12 Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/04/2009 15:44:49 Raven is in it ;)
Crow can also be added
Edit: And blackbird
Edit2: And ferox (only bc able to seriously reach hac snipers)
It is far easier to stick which ones arent good.
Ahh, so it is :). I must have missed it :P |
FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:49:00 -
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Yeah I have to say I've been very pleased with Caldari ships in PvP. Of course there's always going to be people that say this or that is better and I'm not denying or accepting it. CCP does a pretty good job overall of balancing the ships/races out. Every ship has a role, and skilled/piloted properly they can contribute well to PvP. |
Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:00:00 -
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Then why dont you see any caldari ships in pvp fights? |
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Zackaryel
Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock Then why dont you see any caldari ships in pvp fights?
Have you seen a lot of fleet fights without Falcons, Crows, Cerberii, Nighthawks, Ravens ? |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock Then why dont you see any caldari ships in pvp fights?
I do...... ?
-Liang |
DrJ Zoidberg
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: DrJ Zoidberg on 22/04/2009 16:18:30 To be honest, in all my year of flying Caldari ships, 80% of the time I do not feel handicapped by missiles in anyway. About 90% of engagements in eve happen at short range (gang sitting at 0 at gate, target jumps through, <15km). At anything less than 30km, you're really not going to feel the lag from missile flight time, and you're going to be putting plenty of dps on targets. The problem with Caldari is they lack Swiss army knife ships, they usually can't gank/tank/tackle, but I'd like to see a roaming gang that doesn't welcome a Cerberus, Onyx, WELL fit drake, or blackbird/falcon.
The main problem with Caldari is, except for the Rohk, they are severely handicapped in sniper range engagements. If you can't fly a falcon, you're better off bringing a drake as support with a large BS gang than a cruise raven. You can eat heavy drones and fighters, which is always fun. You can also be heavy tackle for the sniper BS's, and a more robust ship to have fighters assigned to.
I'm training up Amarr battleships solely to have a sniper BS.
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Benedikt Miloslav
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: DrJ Zoidberg I'm training up Amarr battleships solely to have a sniper BS.
While I agree entirely with you, that's where you lost me. Why train for the apoc when you have the rokh? They're widely recognized as on par with each other, where as the Rokh is easier to fit and the Apoc has a bit higher DPS. When an Amarr nerf comes, if it effects large beams, Rokh will restore its throne. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:28:00 -
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Apoc sniper will do about 20% extra damage, around 15% extra base tracking, around 10% more range + easier fitting constraints and a lot more cap stable.
Yeah, very on par aren't they? |
FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: DrJ Zoidberg Edited by: DrJ Zoidberg on 22/04/2009 16:18:30 To be honest, in all my year of flying Caldari ships, 80% of the time I do not feel handicapped by missiles in anyway. About 90% of engagements in eve happen at short range (gang sitting at 0 at gate, target jumps through, <15km). At anything less than 30km, you're really not going to feel the lag from missile flight time, and you're going to be putting plenty of dps on targets. The problem with Caldari is they lack Swiss army knife ships, they usually can't gank/tank/tackle, but I'd like to see a roaming gang that doesn't welcome a Cerberus, Onyx, WELL fit drake, or blackbird/falcon.
The main problem with Caldari is, except for the Rohk, they are severely handicapped in sniper range engagements. If you can't fly a falcon, you're better off bringing a drake as support with a large BS gang than a cruise raven. You can eat heavy drones and fighters, which is always fun. You can also be heavy tackle for the sniper BS's, and a more robust ship to have fighters assigned to.
I'm training up Amarr battleships solely to have a sniper BS.
For the short range battles you're talking about go with a torp Raven. Can fit 104K ehp with a neut and a webifier on it pretty easily. Tank isn't going to last a really long time but not many engagements run a long time, and if you're primaried you're basically dead no matter what. |
arbiter reformed
Minmatar THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reformed on 22/04/2009 16:43:23 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 22/04/2009 16:40:47 always remember HAMDRAKEISWINHAMDRAKEISWINHAMDRAKEISWINHAMDRAKEISWIN
oh and the raven is a great torp boat
and with a crystal set its hard to get a better blaster ship than the rokh. its also a great sniper has far better traking than the apoc for less dps and volley damage,
falcons are still great at ruining good fights although damps might finally reach you,
cerb is a good hac sniper crazy damage and range compared to the other hac snipers ofc
almpst all caldari ships are solid, especially torp ravens and cnrs 1500 dps at 45km 300kehp anyone ?
as for rarity yes you dont see many rr gangs with caldari bss mainly cos of the shield tank, same reason you dont see maelstroms, but times they are a' changin and i think shield tanking rr gangs might become slightly more commonplace.
edit as for sp reqs missile caldari ships are laughably low sp intensive compared to other races, especially minmitar, even amarr and gallante require alot more drone love and such like so yeh if you plan right you can be in a t2 fit buffer torp raven all t2 max damge in a few months |
Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: DrJ Zoidberg The main problem with Caldari is, except for the Rohk, they are severely handicapped in sniper range engagements. If you can't fly a falcon, you're better off bringing a drake as support with a large BS gang than a cruise raven. You can eat heavy drones and fighters, which is always fun. You can also be heavy tackle for the sniper BS's, and a more robust ship to have fighters assigned to.
And the other races aren't? Caldari fleet support ships are better than any other race's fleet support ships, and the Rokh is the best sniper battleship. I fail to see your complaint about Caldari in long-range fights. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:46:00 -
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How the hell is the Rokh the best sniper?
if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature. |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Apoc sniper will do about 20% extra damage, around 15% extra base tracking, around 10% more range + easier fitting constraints and a lot more cap stable.
Yeah, very on par aren't they?
Uh, no. |
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock Then why dont you see any caldari ships in pvp fights?
Because you're still docked? Or sleeping? Or distracted away from the screen in some way? |
Trader20
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:37:00 -
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Posting Manditory Post. Pick Two: Caldari Solo PvP
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 Posting Manditory Post. Pick Two: Caldari Solo PvP
I usually pick all 3 and I win :). |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:07:00 -
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Rokh hard fitting? Rokh is probably the easiest to fit sniper BS.
And they only got one good sniper for fleets? How many do you want? One is sufficient. And they got the scorpion.
Minnie got none good ones (they got high alpha, but that basicly is it). Okay call the maelstrom decent, then we are at one.
Gallente got megathron (that is also one). Hype can probably work, or just stick to mega.
Amarr got only one good fleet BS, apoc. They must surely suck, amirite? (Dont tell me people actually use abaddon aka empty cap for sniping).
One good sniper is sufficient. You also dont see gallente pilots complaining that the domi isnt a good fleet sniper. And raven still has some uses. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Hairygoagain
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hairygoagain on 22/04/2009 20:44:45 The new Rook?
480 DPS and 24K EHP. You could drop the LSE II and the 2 ACR rigs and fit some ECM instead. Basically, with 7 mids and 3 lows and more CPU than you can shake a stick at, there are loads of options for the Rook. Don't only use ECM on it.
This is the same DPS as a Cerb...
[Rook, DPS HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hairygoagain Edited by: Hairygoagain on 22/04/2009 20:44:45 The new Rook?
480 DPS and 24K EHP. You could drop the LSE II and the 2 ACR rigs and fit some ECM instead. Basically, with 7 mids and 3 lows and more CPU than you can shake a stick at, there are loads of options for the Rook. Don't only use ECM on it.
This is the same DPS as a Cerb...
[Rook, DPS HAM] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Get a Drake.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
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Get a Drake.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:20:00 -
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Does rook even get bonus to ham missile damage? (according to eft and last patch notes not, but too lazy to log in now to check).
But even if it gets one, that fit is just wrong. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 22/04/2009 21:40:04
Originally by: Furb Killer Rokh hard fitting? Rokh is probably the easiest to fit sniper BS.
And they only got one good sniper for fleets? How many do you want? One is sufficient. And they got the scorpion.
Minnie got none good ones (they got high alpha, but that basicly is it). Okay call the maelstrom decent, then we are at one.
Gallente got megathron (that is also one). Hype can probably work, or just stick to mega.
Amarr got only one good fleet BS, apoc. They must surely suck, amirite? (Dont tell me people actually use abaddon aka empty cap for sniping).
One good sniper is sufficient. You also dont see gallente pilots complaining that the domi isnt a good fleet sniper. And raven still has some uses.
Actually, Amarr's alpha > Minnie's alpha. Also with more range, dps, ammo and ehp tank.
Minnie sucks so much now at snipping.
Some moron will ask another minnie nerf soon i guess. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.04.22 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 22/04/2009 17:33:40
Merlin - Rifter/Punisher are so much better in every way. Kestrel - Thats a fine frigit and can support ok Dps for a Caldari frigateship. Caracal - Only good as Frigatekiller... Drake - Fine ship. Raven - Easy kill, no big thread at all. Rokh - Apoc... Scorpion - Easy kill, a Falcon in Bs class with to many disadvantages to be usefull. Harpy - Other AFs work just better. Manticore - Stealthies arent good. Flycatcher - Bubbledropper, theres nothing good with the ship itself. Eagle - Oh my god its a Frigitsniper. Outclassed by all other HACs even in snipering. Cerberus - A Falconshoorter, oh yea. Outclassed by other HACs by a large margin. Onyx - Outclassed by Broadsword Rook - Since patch its ok for med gangs. Falcon -Still viable. Basilisk - Like any other RR shipe, nothing special. Chimera Wyvern Leviathan
It would have been quicker to ask for the bad ships tbh.
ANY ship can be useful, but other races usualy do it better then Caldari.
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